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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4700 on: October 07, 2020, 09:53:37 AM »
I’ve been dead serious that I want all future presidents to be predictable and boring.
Sorry, Angela Merkel has already said that she won't run for an office again.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4701 on: October 07, 2020, 10:20:58 AM »
This one irks me personally...

The President  pressed unsuccessfully to work in the Oval Office and make a national address, despite spending three nights in the hospital after testing positive for the virus, and being currently infectious. He is currently 'quarantined' in the executive residence of the WH, a four-story mansion with half a dozen bedrooms, staffed kitchen and more than a dozen other private rooms.

Screw him!! Like so many of us, I've been working at my kitchen table for months, but Trump isn't ok staying put and working from the executive mansion in a socially responsible way.

There's no reason why he needs to be in the Oval office, other than for his own image and ego.

Remember when Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau tested positive and the PM and his kids were in quarantine in the Rideau Hall cottage?  Food was left at the door and he did press conferences outside with a good distance between himself and the press.

I know that globally the Prime Minister of Canada is not as important as the President of the US, but for us he is our most important government person, and he led by example.  Hard to argue about self-isolation when your PM did it, was PM and Daddy.

sigh... all the political "controversy' surrounding Justin, it seems positively more tranquil up there right now.  Even 'le bloc' seems tame in comparison.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4702 on: October 07, 2020, 10:53:22 AM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4703 on: October 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM »
The discussion is still conflating two different issues here.  The US's treatment of Assange and Assange's own actions and motives.
The conduct of one does not excuse the actions of the other (in whichever order you care to put it).

If they want to jail Assange - that's one thing. I don't know all the particulars of his crimes - just the high points.

Doing what they did to Manning was uncalled for.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4704 on: October 07, 2020, 11:09:50 AM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

Time to test the president again? I'm not trusting these doctors at the moment. Politics seems to have replaced facts.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4705 on: October 07, 2020, 11:24:14 AM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.
The President's doctor has made it perfectly clear that everything he says is said under orders from Trump.  So it is exactly as factual and reliable as the same words coming directly from Trump.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4706 on: October 07, 2020, 11:40:11 AM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

It's worth pointing out the president's doctor is an osteopath. Not a virologist.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4707 on: October 07, 2020, 11:44:49 AM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

As cagey as ever, Conley using words like 'believe' gives him plausible deniability if people in Trump's orbit are mysteriously falling ill because, low and behold, Trump was still contagious.  Plenty of fun stuff being written about how even Trump's doctors have become politicized - The Complicit Physician

Also, this (Kris kinda beat me to it...)
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The man overseeing and explaining the president's treatment is also reportedly the first physician to a sitting president to hold a doctorate of osteopathy rather than being an MD, or Doctor of Medicine.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4708 on: October 07, 2020, 12:15:27 PM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.
The President's doctor has made it perfectly clear that everything he says is said under orders from Trump.  So it is exactly as factual and reliable as the same words coming directly from Trump.

Suddenly the problem comes into focus.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4709 on: October 07, 2020, 12:30:23 PM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

It's worth pointing out the president's doctor is an osteopath. Not a virologist.

Osteopathy is steeped in pseudoscientific garbage, so it makes sense that Trump (hating both knowledge and science) would be consulting one.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4710 on: October 07, 2020, 12:55:08 PM »
Let's not forget that another ruling has said that Trump can't hide his tax returns from the DA. I suspect that the NYT story makes the prosecutor's case a bit easier to make.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4711 on: October 07, 2020, 01:12:58 PM »
Let's not forget that another ruling has said that Trump can't hide his tax returns from the DA. I suspect that the NYT story makes the prosecutor's case a bit easier to make.
On to SCOTUS

Honestly, I feel like DJT's just trying to run out the clock here.  Eventually his argument will become "well DJT is now a private citizen, so his tax returns have no bearing on potential COIs while he was president":.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4712 on: October 07, 2020, 01:31:32 PM »
President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

What does this even mean? Is is based on some kind of evidence or just "belief".

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4713 on: October 07, 2020, 02:37:59 PM »
Back in 1907, 113 years ago, they were smart enough to forcefully quarantine Typhoid Mary. They understood she was a carrier of Typhoid. For her it was two different times she was quarantined and the last was for 23 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

Trump only needs to be quarantined for a short period of time and he refuses. He is risking people's lives just as bad as if he had a weapon. Why isn't the law stepping in? They did in Typhoid Mary's case.

A person knowingly infecting others with HIV can lead to criminal prosecution.

Is Donald Trump above the law? This is very disturbing.




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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4714 on: October 07, 2020, 02:48:00 PM »
Is Donald Trump above the law? This is very disturbing.

Yes.  As long as Republicans in the senate are unwilling to discipline him, he is above the law according the the rules of the United States.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4715 on: October 07, 2020, 03:11:44 PM »
Trump's gone into a Twitter-rage today... remarkable even by his standards.

He's blathering about a debunked conspiracy theory that Obama and the 'deep state' used the intellegence agency to undermine his candidacy.


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“Wow!!! NOW DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THE BIGGEST OF ALL POLITICAL SCANDALS (IN HISTORY)!!! BIDEN, OBAMA AND CROOKED HILLARY LED THIS TREASONOUS PLOT!!! BIDEN SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO RUN - GOT CAUGHT!!!”
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They went for a Coup. Almost destroyed our Country. You had the right President at the right moment. Current Voters, REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU VOTE!
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Taking too long. Media is in on it. A true scandal!
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I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!
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It goes on like this for quite a while...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4716 on: October 07, 2020, 03:43:56 PM »
This one irks me personally...

The President  pressed unsuccessfully to work in the Oval Office and make a national address, despite spending three nights in the hospital after testing positive for the virus, and being currently infectious. He is currently 'quarantined' in the executive residence of the WH, a four-story mansion with half a dozen bedrooms, staffed kitchen and more than a dozen other private rooms.

Screw him!! Like so many of us, I've been working at my kitchen table for months, but Trump isn't ok staying put and working from the executive mansion in a socially responsible way.

There's no reason why he needs to be in the Oval office, other than for his own image and ego.

Remember when Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau tested positive and the PM and his kids were in quarantine in the Rideau Hall cottage?  Food was left at the door and he did press conferences outside with a good distance between himself and the press.

I know that globally the Prime Minister of Canada is not as important as the President of the US, but for us he is our most important government person, and he led by example.  Hard to argue about self-isolation when your PM did it, was PM and Daddy.

sigh... all the political "controversy' surrounding Justin, it seems positively more tranquil up there right now.  Even 'le bloc' seems tame in comparison.

I'll take little fusses over big fusses any day.  And he made it through the throne speech so no election for the moment.  Whew.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4717 on: October 07, 2020, 03:56:16 PM »
Just read a news story that Trump was working in the Oval Office today (he should be in quarantine) hard to imagine anyone with less regard for the health and safety of others that work there and the message it sends to the general populace.

I wish I could convince myself that it is only for a little longer but I have a bad feeling that he might win again.

Make sure you vote, call your friends / family and remind them to vote as well this has to end or we will be in for a world of hurt.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4718 on: October 07, 2020, 04:11:21 PM »
Just read a news story that Trump was working in the Oval Office today.

Without a mask no doubt. Every surface and the air of that room is likely covered with the virus.

President's doctor is on the record Monday afternoon as saying he doesn't believe he's currently shedding the virus.

What does this even mean? Is is based on some kind of evidence or just "belief".

Edit: 27 34 people within two degrees of separation of the President infected and counting. And the doc is dodging questions about the last time he tested negative. Him being infected up to a week before he announced it is getting more solid every day.  He lead off his brief showing a memo from the President saying "I feel great!" which apparently counts as a professional diagnosis now.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4719 on: October 07, 2020, 05:39:59 PM »
Right eye looks droopy.  Hypoxia?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4720 on: October 07, 2020, 06:44:28 PM »
Just need him to survive until Nov 5th so it doesn't give the Republicans a way to pretend the election is invalid or some other power ploy.

If it slows down or halts the confirmation of that judge then that would be a silver lining.

Of course it would be better if he lives to stand trial.  If he dies then the temptation to 'move forward not back' will be overstrong and too many blatant crimes will go unanswered.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4721 on: October 08, 2020, 12:19:06 AM »
I was just reading John Scalzi's blog (https://whatever.scalzi.com/) and would recommend his October 6 post. 

Thank you for the link, Retired.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4722 on: October 08, 2020, 04:06:28 AM »
Based on the case in Florida, where so many tried to register to vote that the system crashed, I'm starting to wonder how the turnout will be, and whether the current polls are using correct algorithms. If they are based on very low voter turnout in the younger generation, and high turnout in the older generation, and the reality now will be opposite; could we get equal margin of error as in the last election (but perhaps in the other direction)?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4723 on: October 08, 2020, 06:20:01 AM »
Back in 1907, 113 years ago, they were smart enough to forcefully quarantine Typhoid Mary. They understood she was a carrier of Typhoid. For her it was two different times she was quarantined and the last was for 23 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

Trump only needs to be quarantined for a short period of time and he refuses. He is risking people's lives just as bad as if he had a weapon. Why isn't the law stepping in? They did in Typhoid Mary's case.

A person knowingly infecting others with HIV can lead to criminal prosecution.

Is Donald Trump above the law? This is very disturbing.

As long as his party's Senators refuse to hold him accountable, and as long as the Attorney General systematically kneecaps any attempt of the CJ system to prosecute him, yes.

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« Reply #4724 on: October 08, 2020, 06:50:07 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4725 on: October 08, 2020, 07:02:15 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

Pretty much. He'll flip-flop a few more times and ultimately claim that this was his idea.

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« Reply #4726 on: October 08, 2020, 07:11:21 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

Pretty much. He'll flip-flop a few more times and ultimately claim that this was his idea.

I'm not sure what leverage he has left at this point.  He'd still be under the CDC's self-quarantine guidelines (not that he's following them to begin with).  More importantly he needs to turn the race around and land some big blows on Biden or force Biden to fumble... something he's been unable to do as of yet. If he doesn't participate the widely panned first debate will be what everyone remembers, which certainly hasn't helped (Biden had an uptick both in fundraising and in the polls since).

Frankly, I'm impressed at how disciplined a campaign Biden has run thus far.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4727 on: October 08, 2020, 07:38:24 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

Pretty much. He'll flip-flop a few more times and ultimately claim that this was his idea.

I'm not sure what leverage he has left at this point.  He'd still be under the CDC's self-quarantine guidelines (not that he's following them to begin with).  More importantly he needs to turn the race around and land some big blows on Biden or force Biden to fumble... something he's been unable to do as of yet. If he doesn't participate the widely panned first debate will be what everyone remembers, which certainly hasn't helped (Biden had an uptick both in fundraising and in the polls since).

Frankly, I'm impressed at how disciplined a campaign Biden has run thus far.

It's Trump. He doesn't need leverage. He'll make up bullshit and his supporters will parrot it, just as they always do.

But yes, he's not as successful at dragging Biden as I had expected. I'm sure his meds aren't helping, if his recent steroid-fueled rants on Twitter are any indication.

There are still almost 4 weeks to go. I'm not ready to be optimistic yet.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4728 on: October 08, 2020, 07:39:41 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

Pretty much. He'll flip-flop a few more times and ultimately claim that this was his idea.

I'm not sure what leverage he has left at this point.  He'd still be under the CDC's self-quarantine guidelines (not that he's following them to begin with).  More importantly he needs to turn the race around and land some big blows on Biden or force Biden to fumble... something he's been unable to do as of yet. If he doesn't participate the widely panned first debate will be what everyone remembers, which certainly hasn't helped (Biden had an uptick both in fundraising and in the polls since).

Frankly, I'm impressed at how disciplined a campaign Biden has run thus far.

Once again, Biden looks like the winner on this one.  I wouldn't want to be in a room with Trump either, so the reasoning looks sound.  Trump needs this debate more than Biden, so there's also that.  Basically, Trump can throw a temper tantrum and stomp his feet, but skipping this debate would hurt him and help Biden.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4729 on: October 08, 2020, 07:48:20 AM »
Perhaps give Biden the full hour to answer the moderator's questions without interruption? ;)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4730 on: October 08, 2020, 07:59:21 AM »
Head Of White House Security Office “Gravely Ill” With Coronavirus

Since late September. I wonder if Trump will call him a loser. I bet he isn't getting fancy treatment cocktails.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4731 on: October 08, 2020, 08:04:45 AM »
I find it unlikely Trump would miss a chance to be seen and heard on TV. He loves to yap and blather his BS. Take for instance he made a spectacle of himself when he arrived back to the White House after leaving the hospital. The dramatic moment on the balcony stripping off his mask and saluting the helicopter as it flew off. OMG! Soap opera city at its best.

Talk about cheap, cheesy Trump antics!


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4732 on: October 08, 2020, 08:20:53 AM »
On Fox News Trump says that the scheduled debate would be "a waste of time"

Wow! I'm in full agreement with him for once.  Anytime Trump "debates" it seems to be a giant waste of everyone's time.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4733 on: October 08, 2020, 08:43:14 AM »
He's displayed just that at the debate. Could he go 30 seconds without interrupting anyone? Next time I hope they mute the microphone when the other candidate is speaking! It seems that Trump's tactic was to constantly interrupt and break the rules of the debate, only to claim bias when he's called out.

Both parties have to agree to the rules of the debate beforehand or there wouldn't be a debate, and I bet you ever dollar I have that the Trump campaign would never agree to a debate where the moderator could mute the mic of the person who's not supposed to talk. This is how it is because this is how Trump wants it.

I disagree.  Trump has proven to be too much of a narcissit to refuse a nationally televised chance to attack his opponent, and the polls show that he desperately needs to move the needle,  and quickly. Trump's base has been clamoring for more debates on the hope that Biden would have some sort of senior moment that could "prove" their theory that he's senile.

So far it looks like I'm winning our bet. ;)

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« Reply #4734 on: October 08, 2020, 08:51:32 AM »
He's displayed just that at the debate. Could he go 30 seconds without interrupting anyone? Next time I hope they mute the microphone when the other candidate is speaking! It seems that Trump's tactic was to constantly interrupt and break the rules of the debate, only to claim bias when he's called out.

Both parties have to agree to the rules of the debate beforehand or there wouldn't be a debate, and I bet you ever dollar I have that the Trump campaign would never agree to a debate where the moderator could mute the mic of the person who's not supposed to talk. This is how it is because this is how Trump wants it.

I disagree.  Trump has proven to be too much of a narcissit to refuse a nationally televised chance to attack his opponent, and the polls show that he desperately needs to move the needle,  and quickly. Trump's base has been clamoring for more debates on the hope that Biden would have some sort of senior moment that could "prove" their theory that he's senile.

So far it looks like I'm winning our bet. ;)

I don't think it counts until the debate actually happens.  Trump's changed his mind multiple times about stimulus just in the last 24 hours.  I'll bet you that Trump reverses and ultimately participates in this second debate.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4735 on: October 08, 2020, 09:23:28 AM »
I find it unlikely Trump would miss a chance to be seen and heard on TV. He loves to yap and blather his BS. Take for instance he made a spectacle of himself when he arrived back to the White House after leaving the hospital. The dramatic moment on the balcony stripping off his mask and saluting the helicopter as it flew off. OMG! Soap opera city at its best.

Talk about cheap, cheesy Trump antics!

A virtual or town hall-style debate would not allow him to go rant-crazy and would therefore not work for him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4736 on: October 08, 2020, 09:25:39 AM »
The format of the 2nd debate was announced (a "virtual" town hall with both candidates in seperate, remote locations).
Trump says he won't participate.

(of course Trump likes to make a big deal out of refusing offers, often to change his mind a short while later).

Pretty much. He'll flip-flop a few more times and ultimately claim that this was his idea.

I'm not sure what leverage he has left at this point.  He'd still be under the CDC's self-quarantine guidelines (not that he's following them to begin with).  More importantly he needs to turn the race around and land some big blows on Biden or force Biden to fumble... something he's been unable to do as of yet. If he doesn't participate the widely panned first debate will be what everyone remembers, which certainly hasn't helped (Biden had an uptick both in fundraising and in the polls since).

Frankly, I'm impressed at how disciplined a campaign Biden has run thus far.

It's Trump. He doesn't need leverage. He'll make up bullshit and his supporters will parrot it, just as they always do.

But yes, he's not as successful at dragging Biden as I had expected. I'm sure his meds aren't helping, if his recent steroid-fueled rants on Twitter are any indication.

There are still almost 4 weeks to go. I'm not ready to be optimistic yet.

I'm waiting for someone to convince me the polling stations and ballots won't be sabotaged.  So many states and counties that poll as Biden landslides seems to be going out of their way to make Democrat votes impossible to count.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4737 on: October 08, 2020, 09:27:34 AM »
A virtual or town hall-style debate would not allow him to go rant-crazy and would therefore not work for him.

Yes? So? ;)

Can't stand listening to Pence or Trump dance around the truth.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4738 on: October 08, 2020, 09:28:24 AM »
I find it unlikely Trump would miss a chance to be seen and heard on TV. He loves to yap and blather his BS. Take for instance he made a spectacle of himself when he arrived back to the White House after leaving the hospital. The dramatic moment on the balcony stripping off his mask and saluting the helicopter as it flew off. OMG! Soap opera city at its best.

Talk about cheap, cheesy Trump antics!

A virtual or town hall-style debate would not allow him to go rant-crazy and would therefore not work for him.

Yeah, the online platforms would allow the moderator or producer to mute him or just boot him off the call if he refused to behave. I don't see him agreeing to that.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4739 on: October 08, 2020, 09:48:41 AM »
I'm waiting for someone to convince me the polling stations and ballots won't be sabotaged.  So many states and counties that poll as Biden landslides seems to be going out of their way to make Democrat votes impossible to count.

Republican voter suppression is very real. It is definitely already happening in NC again this year, and see also Texas limiting drop-off locations to one per county.

However voter suppression and similar shady tactics only work at the margins, they may shift the vote a percent or three. If it's actually going to be a landslide then the result will not change. The absolute best defense against election stealing is to ensure that it's actually a landslide.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4740 on: October 08, 2020, 12:28:55 PM »
I'm waiting for someone to convince me the polling stations and ballots won't be sabotaged.  So many states and counties that poll as Biden landslides seems to be going out of their way to make Democrat votes impossible to count.

Republican voter suppression is very real. It is definitely already happening in NC again this year, and see also Texas limiting drop-off locations to one per county.

However voter suppression and similar shady tactics only work at the margins, they may shift the vote a percent or three. If it's actually going to be a landslide then the result will not change. The absolute best defense against election stealing is to ensure that it's actually a landslide.
The problem is that method of voting (where you have a choice) can skew by party line.

I saw it this June in the special election to replace my Rep.  Early voting is fairly new here (just introduced last November), and absentee voting was allowed due to Covid.  In person voting was heavily R.  Early voting was 50:50 (but light).  Absentee ballot voting was 2/3 D, 1/3 R, but took a month to certify and count.  So the reported vote distribution shifted from easy R (night of) (R candidate claimed victory) to close call barely R squeeker win a month later.

If the presidential election follows this pattern, Trump could claim victory on in person/early vote numbers.  When total counts come later (if they aren't invalidated somehow) he could complain of tampering when the proportions shift.

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« Reply #4741 on: October 08, 2020, 12:32:52 PM »
Something else that will absolutely play in to the results is that Democrats tend to absentee vote in greater numbers than Republicans. Guess which vote method has the highest rate of rejection based on things like signature mismatch, envelope problems, etc.? You guessed it...absentee votes. With the pandemic likely increasing the number of mail-in and/or absentee votes being cast, a large number of them will never be counted

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« Reply #4742 on: October 08, 2020, 12:37:59 PM »
I'm waiting for someone to convince me the polling stations and ballots won't be sabotaged.  So many states and counties that poll as Biden landslides seems to be going out of their way to make Democrat votes impossible to count.

Republican voter suppression is very real. It is definitely already happening in NC again this year, and see also Texas limiting drop-off locations to one per county.

However voter suppression and similar shady tactics only work at the margins, they may shift the vote a percent or three. If it's actually going to be a landslide then the result will not change. The absolute best defense against election stealing is to ensure that it's actually a landslide.
The problem is that method of voting (where you have a choice) can skew by party line.

I saw it this June in the special election to replace my Rep.  Early voting is fairly new here (just introduced last November), and absentee voting was allowed due to Covid.  In person voting was heavily R.  Early voting was 50:50 (but light).  Absentee ballot voting was 2/3 D, 1/3 R, but took a month to certify and count.  So the reported vote distribution shifted from easy R (night of) (R candidate claimed victory) to close call barely R squeeker win a month later.

If the presidential election follows this pattern, Trump could claim victory on in person/early vote numbers.  When total counts come later (if they aren't invalidated somehow) he could complain of tampering when the proportions shift.

Yes, and that trend has only increased, now it's like 3/4 D 1/4 R for mail-in voting according to polls. But that doesn't really matter, because in spite of how much Trump will inevitably whine I don't think he'll actually be able to stop the counting of mail-in votes. If he does and he wins then it's literally leave the country or start a revolution time, because that would be an outright invalid election.

What will happen is that the Republicans will attempt to throw away any mail-in ballot they can concoct an excuse to throw away. Currently in NC they're rejecting ballots from black areas at a rate of 4%, and white areas at a rate of 1%.

But again, that only matters on the margins. They may actually be able to keep NC from going to Biden because the vote is so close here, but if it was going to be a landslide then the result would not change. So let's hope for and work towards making it a landslide so they can't steal it.

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« Reply #4743 on: October 08, 2020, 12:58:31 PM »
My greatest concern right now is what Trump might do in the next 2-3 weeks.

Both sides would agree that Trump loves to attack, and isn't constrained by typical political decorum. He's trailing considerably in the polls and so far none of his sustained attacks on Biden have moved the needle (in fact, this race so far has been remarkable in how steady poll numbers have been for both candidates). No many how hard he tries, he can't get the subject to move past Covid (a bit ironic now that he's contracted it himself)

The analogy I keep coming to is a deadly but wounded animal backed into a corner. He won't care who or what he destroys in the process.  I fully expect him to launch into some wildly-aggressive, scorched-earth move any day now.

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« Reply #4744 on: October 08, 2020, 01:11:28 PM »
I'm still hoping he'll take a turn for the worse and go back in the hospital for a bit so he doesn't have the time or energy for shenanigans.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4745 on: October 08, 2020, 02:14:32 PM »
I wish he would try things that would reduce the number of COVID cases that there are by more than the one that is his.

It'd be amazing how much economic growth there'd be if you just figure out this COVID problem.

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« Reply #4746 on: October 08, 2020, 03:09:52 PM »
If his COVID medication is so great I'd like someone to publicly question him why he hasn't started a massive effort to brew up enough for everyone.

Don't bother, we know the real answers...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #4747 on: October 08, 2020, 03:26:21 PM »
Why didn't he take his magic drug Hydroxychloroquine? He said it was the 'IT' drug and what do you have to lose!

Also, can anyone imagine what Trump will do during the transition period if he loses? That could be mind boggling! Scary!

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« Reply #4748 on: October 08, 2020, 03:28:25 PM »
This is the kind of thing that Trump's team ignores:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/12/climate/texas-methane-super-emitters.html

Unregulated petrochemical companies among thousands of other types of businesses have the potential to get really sloppy. If everyone is sloppy, then we are doomed.

Personally I'd rather the world is left in better condition than my generation received it but I suppose various billionaires just don't care.

They can always shield themselves from any environmental hardships that their sloppiness created. 


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« Reply #4749 on: October 09, 2020, 09:40:37 AM »
As a result of the Trump world we live in, this chilling picture of how overblown the threat of 'rioting and looting' has become -

Six sniper teams, hundreds of cops: Documents show major police presence at George Floyd's burial

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Critics said that while demonstrators across the U.S. were protesting police violence, the documents show an outsize police response to a funeral.

“This happened at a point when this community, Houston, and George Floyd’s family were mourning brutal loss of life at hand of police officers,” said Shaw Drake, policy counsel of ACLU of Texas Border Rights Center, “and the police response was to put snipers on roofs.”

Ultimately, the event had 20 people treated for heat stroke and one altercation that was peacefully resolved between the parties.  Good thing there were 475 additional officers brought in and 800 national guard...