Trump 2.0

[sixwings]

Back in last April, he promised 10% tariffs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-05/canada-warns-trump-10-tariff-risks-sparking-global-retaliation

Yes, he's been talking about tariffs for a long time. Prior to inauguration, he had NOT threatened to redraw the Canadian border, annex Canada economically or otherwise, "make Canada the 51st state", etc. Given the presence in the last few years of the "Freedom Caravan" or whatever it was called and other Trump support in Canada, perhaps there was a longer term play that anti-Nato, pro-Putin candidates on both sides of the border kept under wraps until January 20 2025. Anyway.

I'm still seeking an explicit statement by a conservative US voter that menacing Canadian sovereignty was a surprise action that is unacceptable.

Earlier on in his brief new term, I did see legit concerns on r/conservative that his actions toward Ukraine were not what they voted for. Not sure I ever really saw the same WRT Canada.

Now it appears the real or bot voters there are all back to toeing the party line.

It’s definitely there occasionally, I’ve seen a lot them puzzled over what he’s doing with Canada and talking about wanting it to stop/not supporting it. They also say things like it’s just a negotiating tactic, he just wants to troll, etc. if he ran again and added the Canada stuff to his platform I don’t doubt they would absolutely vote for him again because the 17 trans college athletes are an existential threat. They don’t vote on economic issues they vote on social issues and pretend they vote on economic issues because they know they are bad people but don’t want others to think that.

[RetiredAt63]

Back in last April, he promised 10% tariffs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-05/canada-warns-trump-10-tariff-risks-sparking-global-retaliation

Yes, he's been talking about tariffs for a long time. Prior to inauguration, he had NOT threatened to redraw the Canadian border, annex Canada economically or otherwise, "make Canada the 51st state", etc. Given the presence in the last few years of the "Freedom Caravan" or whatever it was called and other Trump support in Canada, perhaps there was a longer term play that anti-Nato, pro-Putin candidates on both sides of the border kept under wraps until January 20 2025. Anyway.

I'm still seeking an explicit statement by a conservative US voter that menacing Canadian sovereignty was a surprise action that is unacceptable.

Earlier on in his brief new term, I did see legit concerns on r/conservative that his actions toward Ukraine were not what they voted for. Not sure I ever really saw the same WRT Canada.

Now it appears the real or bot voters there are all back to toeing the party line.

It’s definitely there occasionally, I’ve seen a lot them puzzled over what he’s doing with Canada and talking about wanting it to stop/not supporting it. They also say things like it’s just a negotiating tactic, he just wants to troll, etc. if he ran again and added the Canada stuff to his platform I don’t doubt they would absolutely vote for him again because the 17 trans college athletes are an existential threat. They don’t vote on economic issues they vote on social issues and pretend they vote on economic issues because they know they are bad people but don’t want others to think that.

When Canada legalized gay marriage, it wasn't that Canadians were gung-ho on gay marriage back then.  They were unhappy about how unfair it was to not let gay couples have the same marital rights and benefits as married mixed couples (you know, mixed, one woman, one man).

That is why we will never agree to be states 51-64.  Or a territory really, not a state, because he would never want us to have voting rights.

[salt cured]

I doubt there are many cheering on Trump in his crusade against Canada (or in his defense of Russia), but they do take some comfort and pride in him acting like the tough guy they hoped he would be, similar to how they responded to the blow up with Zelensky.

But I think there is a chance that American sentiment, on the whole, could shift toward outright hostility for some allies and sympathy for Russia if things continue. There are millions of people living in US, some of them citizens, with very strong ties to Canada, Ukraine, Mexico and other countries Trump plans to antagonize. It’s not hard to imagine even just a few rogue actors striking back if they hold the US responsible for a missile attack or a recession, or whatever, back “home”.

[Travis]

Raise your hand if you saw this coming. The hospital that treated the kid put on display at the state of the union getting its funding cut.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2025/03/08/trump-nih-cuts-baylor-college/81625680007/


Rubio claims his office reviewed the entire USAID portfolio and will cut 83% of the programs.

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1899021361797816325

[LennStar]

Rubio claims his office reviewed the entire USAID portfolio and will cut 83% of the programs.

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1899021361797816325

Because if you want less migration it makes total sense to dismantle the department that is most effective in reducing migration.

This one constant on all the right wingers: They say they don't like refugees "here" and the first thing they do is cut financing off for anything that prevents refugees actually needing to come "here".
Are they all complete morons or is that intentional? At the moment I think the herd is the first, the people in power the second group.

[Travis]

Rubio claims his office reviewed the entire USAID portfolio and will cut 83% of the programs.

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1899021361797816325

Because if you want less migration it makes total sense to dismantle the department that is most effective in reducing migration.

This one constant on all the right wingers: They say they don't like refugees "here" and the first thing they do is cut financing off for anything that prevents refugees actually needing to come "here".
Are they all complete morons or is that intentional? At the moment I think the herd is the first, the people in power the second group.

Mix of both. There are absolute morons in our government, advised or steered by people who know exactly what they're doing.

[Kris]

Raise your hand if you saw this coming. The hospital that treated the kid put on display at the state of the union getting its funding cut.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2025/03/08/trump-nih-cuts-baylor-college/81625680007/


Rubio claims his office reviewed the entire USAID portfolio and will cut 83% of the programs.

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1899021361797816325

I clicked on the X link, but was unable to go to the tweet. "Something went wrong" was the message I got. I didn't think much of it, but apparently, X has just been hit with a massive cyber attack.

[Travis]

Yep, Twitter having a bit of a day.

TLDR: Rubio claims that State analyzed the entire USAID portfolio (over 5000 contracts) and decided to keep just 18% of them. Somehow they did this in just a month, and despite the claim that they've been working on this for a while, stakeholders were only given this last week to submit supporting arguments.

[GuitarStv]

I clicked on the X link, but was unable to go to the tweet. "Something went wrong" was the message I got. I didn't think much of it, but apparently, X has just been hit with a massive cyber attack.

Yeah . . . or the bill is coming due for Musk's fantastic management of the platform.

[Fru-Gal]

Anonymous just claimed responsibility.

So much winning for Musk: SpaceX exploding, TSLA down almost 16% today to 220, X disabled worldwide.

[Travis]

RFK blaming Measles deaths on diet and exercise. Apparently everyone who died pre-vaccine was skipping leg day the whole time. Including Kindergarten-age children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html

https://bsky.app/profile/whetmoser.com/post/3lk2j4lftrk26

[ChpBstrd]

Anonymous just claimed responsibility.

So much winning for Musk: SpaceX exploding, TSLA down almost 16% today to 220, X disabled worldwide.

If some random person claimed to be Anonymous and claimed responsibility, wouldn't the real Anonymous have to out themselves to contradict that claim?

[MaybeBabyMustache]

RFK blaming Measles deaths on diet and exercise. Apparently everyone who died pre-vaccine was skipping leg day the whole time. Including Kindergarten-age children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html

https://bsky.app/profile/whetmoser.com/post/3lk2j4lftrk26

Definitely the kids fault. I mean, if not that, than who else could be responsible? Get to the gym, kiddos!

[RetiredAt63]

RFK blaming Measles deaths on diet and exercise. Apparently everyone who died pre-vaccine was skipping leg day the whole time. Including Kindergarten-age children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html

https://bsky.app/profile/whetmoser.com/post/3lk2j4lftrk26

Definitely the kids fault. I mean, if not that, than who else could be responsible? Get to the gym, kiddos!

They need much more exercise  to ward off measles.  /s

My basic exercise when I caught it was 3.6 km every day, minimum, 5 days a week.

[nessness]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

[dragoncar]

Rubio claims his office reviewed the entire USAID portfolio and will cut 83% of the programs.

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1899021361797816325

Because if you want less migration it makes total sense to dismantle the department that is most effective in reducing migration.

This one constant on all the right wingers: They say they don't like refugees "here" and the first thing they do is cut financing off for anything that prevents refugees actually needing to come "here".
Are they all complete morons or is that intentional? At the moment I think the herd is the first, the people in power the second group.

They don't want less migration.  They want a migration crisis. 

[dividendman]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

[Travis]

Feels like this was ghost-written for Trump, but regardless he's weighing in on Elon's problems and practically saying its our responsibility to keep his businesses afloat.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lk37l43vsi22

[LennStar]

RFK blaming Measles deaths on diet and exercise. Apparently everyone who died pre-vaccine was skipping leg day the whole time. Including Kindergarten-age children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html

https://bsky.app/profile/whetmoser.com/post/3lk2j4lftrk26

Definitely the kids fault. I mean, if not that, than who else could be responsible? Get to the gym, kiddos!

Don't blame the children!
The reason  clearly was that capitalism was not invented and such pay-for gyms did not exist. Just being out in the woods and playing football or swim the whole day is no exercise, since you aren't paying for it!

Feels like this was ghost-written for Trump, but regardless he's weighing in on Elon's problems and practically saying its our responsibility to keep his businesses afloat.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lk37l43vsi22

Hahaha! I love that capitalized Radicalized Lunatic Left. I am waiting for the !!! at the end.
As one commenter said, Trump himself never wrote that himself. Maybe it was Musk?

[sonofsven]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

[nessness]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

But no one has alleged that he had any contact with Hamas or provided them with material support, only that he supported them with speech.

Their legal justification is based on a law that allows deportation of anyone that the Secretary of State "has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States", a provision that has probably never been used before and seems pretty hard to justify for some college protests.

A different section of the same law says:

"An alien … shall not be excludable or subject to restrictions or conditions on entry into the United States … because of the alien’s past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations, if such beliefs, statements, or associations would be lawful within the United States, unless the Secretary of State personally determines that the alien’s admission would compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest."

So they can't deport him for his speech or beliefs, which is why they're trying to use the foreign policy provision.

[AJDZee]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

No I do not think the US has a constitution any more. There's no one left to enforce it.
The law of the land is whatever Trump and his oligarchy want.

[Scandium]

RFK blaming Measles deaths on diet and exercise. Apparently everyone who died pre-vaccine was skipping leg day the whole time. Including Kindergarten-age children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html

https://bsky.app/profile/whetmoser.com/post/3lk2j4lftrk26

Definitely the kids fault. I mean, if not that, than who else could be responsible? Get to the gym, kiddos!

I need to know the % of trump votes in the TX district to decide if I care. From what I read a vaccine is 99% effective, so since our family is fully vaxed, this don't bother me much. Need to cull the herd of stupidity some way. If the election thought us anything it's that care for your fellow citizen is for idiots, everyone for themselves from now on.

[GuitarStv]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

No I do not think the US has a constitution any more. There's no one left to enforce it.
The law of the land is whatever Trump and his oligarchy want.

Well, the Supreme Court is stacked with self proclaimed 'originalists', so I guess this is what the founding fathers really wanted when they wrote the constitution:  A single monarch who leads and is completely above the law, governing without any input from congress, who openly abuses the legal system to attack people who say things he doesn't like.

Man, the US really got the interpretation of the constitution wrong for the past 230 odd years!  I can see why those 'originalists' were so upset.

[sonofsven]

I always wondered how to bankrupt a casino.

[Dictionary Time]

I need to know the % of trump votes in the TX district to decide if I care. From what I read a vaccine is 99% effective, so since our family is fully vaxed, this don't bother me much. Need to cull the herd of stupidity some way. If the election thought us anything it's that care for your fellow citizen is for idiots, everyone for themselves from now on.

Actually 0% of the children who weren’t vaccinated voted at all.

[Kris]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

[OzzieandHarriet]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

Meanwhile, the guy is ILLEGALLY deprived of his freedom for who knows how long. And what can be done?

Is this where they start rounding us up and impounding our savings?

[lhamo]

Back in the early 2000s when we agreed to move to China to open an office for the non-profit we worked for, I kind of pressured TheX to apply for US citizenship.  Because if for some reason the Chinese gvt decided to arbitrarily detain him (and there were reasons why the very well might choose to do so), I wanted to be able to call on the U.S. State Department for help.  I used to joke that I didn't want to end up as one of those wives of dissidents outside the Chinese consulate in NY or the embassy in DC with a baby on my back and a sign in my hands asking where he was. 

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the actions of THIS administration, but I never imagined something like this could happen here.  The cruelty is clearly the point -- no reason to ship the husband of a woman who is 8 months pregnant off to Louisiana for exercising his rights to free speech.  Who is next?  My friends who advocate on behalf of the constitutionally protected rights (under the CHINESE constitution, mind you) of Mongols, Tibetans and Uyghurs in China?  Anyone who advocates for Taiwan independence?  Anyone who insists that Canada is its own country?

[OzzieandHarriet]

From an email from the ACLU (who is suing):

Despite immediate outcry, the Trump administration has only doubled down on this chilling policy. They are now trying to silence anyone with opposing political beliefs – threatening to revoke green cards and deport people regardless of their deep and long-standing ties to the U.S.

[GuitarStv]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

[OzzieandHarriet]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

So, what do we do?

[GuitarStv]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

So, what do we do?

He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.

- https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1890831570535055759?s=46&t=vhAcrrF3stpMwmwjyQ3K1Q

Trump is ignoring his powers defined in the constitution.  He is ignoring congress' ability to determine spending.  He is ignoring court orders to restore frozen funding for government contracts.  This cannot continue, and cannot be normalized.

Checks on presidential power have failed.  It's hard for me to see anything other than an armed revolution working at this point.  That, or you're going to be under the thumb of fascists and oligarchs forever.

[RetiredAt63]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

So, what do we do?

He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.

- https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1890831570535055759?s=46&t=vhAcrrF3stpMwmwjyQ3K1Q

Trump is ignoring his powers defined in the constitution.  He is ignoring congress' ability to determine spending.  He is ignoring court orders to restore frozen funding for government contracts.  This cannot continue, and cannot be normalized.

Checks on presidential power have failed.  It's hard for me to see anything other than an armed revolution working at this point.  That, or you're going to be under the thumb of fascists and oligarchs forever.

You left out a military coup. Or was that included in armed revolution?

[GuitarStv]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

So, what do we do?

He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.

- https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1890831570535055759?s=46&t=vhAcrrF3stpMwmwjyQ3K1Q

Trump is ignoring his powers defined in the constitution.  He is ignoring congress' ability to determine spending.  He is ignoring court orders to restore frozen funding for government contracts.  This cannot continue, and cannot be normalized.

Checks on presidential power have failed.  It's hard for me to see anything other than an armed revolution working at this point.  That, or you're going to be under the thumb of fascists and oligarchs forever.

You left out a military coup. Or was that included in armed revolution?

That's the time honoured path, and there only one with a real chance of success (sorry deluded 2nd amendment guys).

Most military coups lead to simply replacing one fascist with another.  If it happens soon enough in the states, it's possible that power could be restored to the people.  There's still a general understanding by the people of what democracy used to be and how rule of law worked, and generally most people see the constitution as being a sensible document.  The longer fascism and unconstitutional lawlessness is permitted, the less likely I believe that America will ever move back towards democracy.

[Scandium]

I need to know the % of trump votes in the TX district to decide if I care. From what I read a vaccine is 99% effective, so since our family is fully vaxed, this don't bother me much. Need to cull the herd of stupidity some way. If the election thought us anything it's that care for your fellow citizen is for idiots, everyone for themselves from now on.

Actually 0% of the children who weren’t vaccinated voted at all.

They should have chosen better parents

[Travis]

So last night, Trump went on a rant defending Elon and pretty much declaring that opposing his businesses was a crime. At the same time, RFK was doing product placement in an interview with Hannity because Steak and Shake said they weren't Woke anymore and would use tallow in their fries.

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1899322157051846991

[Kris]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

Meanwhile, the guy is ILLEGALLY deprived of his freedom for who knows how long. And what can be done?

Is this where they start rounding us up and impounding our savings?

Yep. This isn't how it's supposed to be done. Anyone who doesn't care about this doesn't care much about the Constitution on which this country was founded.

[dividendman]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

Meanwhile, the guy is ILLEGALLY deprived of his freedom for who knows how long. And what can be done?

Is this where they start rounding us up and impounding our savings?

Yep. This isn't how it's supposed to be done. Anyone who doesn't care about this doesn't care much about the Constitution on which this country was founded.

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

[OzzieandHarriet]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

Meanwhile, the guy is ILLEGALLY deprived of his freedom for who knows how long. And what can be done?

Is this where they start rounding us up and impounding our savings?

Yep. This isn't how it's supposed to be done. Anyone who doesn't care about this doesn't care much about the Constitution on which this country was founded.

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

This person is not here illegally. He has done all the requirements to live in the US, and he has not committed any crimes.

[Kris]

The Trump administration is trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder and Columbia graduate who is married to an American citizen. Not for committing some heinous crime, but solely for leading pro-Palestian campus protests.

Regardless of how you feel about the Irael/Palestine war or associated protests, green card holders are protected by the first amendment and it is deeply concerning that the Trump administration is trying to pretend otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/trump-rubio-khalil-columbia-student-protests.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Well, not quite. He is being deported for not having legal status in the United States since his green card and other visas were canceled. They were canceled because he is (according to DHS) supporting a designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The Immigration Act allows the DHS Secretary and Attorney General to revoke the immigration status of anyone without them having been convicted of a crime, only that they *may* be likely to commit a terrorist act in the future.

And before we get all high and mighty on the moral grounds of deporting a non-US citizen without due process, let's not forget that Obama killed an American citizen without due process. Even Trump hasn't done that (yet).

Non-citizens are guests in whatever country they are in and should act accordingly, in my opinion.

Has he committed a crime? Has he been charged with a crime?
Do we still have a constitution?

Thank god we still have a few judges who care at least a little about the Constitution.

A federal judge has blocked the removal of a Palestinian activist from the United States while weighing a petition challenging his arrest, court documents show.

Mahmoud Khalil is being held at a Louisiana detention center, his attorney said.

https://abcnews.visitlink.me/ajW1b7

Meanwhile, the guy is ILLEGALLY deprived of his freedom for who knows how long. And what can be done?

Is this where they start rounding us up and impounding our savings?

Yep. This isn't how it's supposed to be done. Anyone who doesn't care about this doesn't care much about the Constitution on which this country was founded.

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

So you would be okay with him being deported for being gay? Cuz I'm pretty sure the Republicans are coming for Obergefell.

No. Being a candidate for deportation has to do with CRIMES of moral turpitude. Not just being what you don't like.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-proof-good-moral-character-helps-immigration-application-or-doesnt.html#:~:text=It%20can%20even%20lead%20to,finding%20of%20good%20moral%20character.

[DoubleDown]

They came for the immigrants who didn't support them and I did not do anything because I was not an immigrant.
They came for college protestors who said things they didn't like and I did not do anything because I was not a college protestor.

Don't worry.  According to the poem, we should still have a couple more groups for them to go after before it effects you.

I think of that poem just about every day now. I'm reminded every time someone says that all the other outrages were one thing, but THIS outrage (whatever it is) is a bridge too far.

[Scandium]

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

Not true. You have to be convicted of a crime. They can't just say you're "immoral", or whatever then come ship you off.

Are you thinking of this one;
"Have been convicted of two or more crimes involving moral turpitude at any time after U.S. admission, where the two crimes did not arise out of a single scheme of misconduct."
Again, convicted. Not just accused. And in any case this guys wasn't even accused of a crime, that we know of.

And also:
"generally requires an immigration judge to determine whether they can be deported"
There is still a due process (at least in theory)

[sonofsven]

Wait, the President(!) has been convicted of crimes.
He's also admitted that his wife's family have likely committed immigration crimes. What should we do with him?

[Fru-Gal]

Wait, the President(!) has been convicted of crimes.
He's also admitted that his wife's family have likely committed immigration crimes. What should we do with him?

Not only that, he participated in an insurrection, which is disqualifying for the presidency as defined in the 14th amendment. You don’t have to be convicted, just engage in it. Was intended to keep Confederates out of power.

Supreme Court just decided that we hadn’t created a test to determine if someone engaged/participated in an insurrection. Funny how they don’t think we need a test to see if someone’s in a well-regulated militia, but we do need a test to evaluate whether they’re attacking the Capitol and intending to hang the VP before he certifies the presidential election.

[Samuel]

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

Not true. You have to be convicted of a crime. They can't just say you're "immoral", or whatever then come ship you off.

Are you thinking of this one;
"Have been convicted of two or more crimes involving moral turpitude at any time after U.S. admission, where the two crimes did not arise out of a single scheme of misconduct."
Again, convicted. Not just accused. And in any case this guys wasn't even accused of a crime, that we know of.

And also:
"generally requires an immigration judge to determine whether they can be deported"
There is still a due process (at least in theory)

He's not been accused of criminal behavior or moral turpitude, he's accused of being active in (or at least very closely associated with) groups that endorse or espouse terrorist activities. When talking about Gaza the distinction between advocating for the people of Gaza and endorsing terrorist actions can be a pretty fine line since the group governing Gaza has been a designated terrorist organization for more than 25 years. I can see it being easy to unintentionally find yourself on the wrong side of that line when a new administration chooses to vigorously enforce laws that previous administrations were fairly lax about.

Due process is the real test here. The details of what he said and did matter and we don't know all that yet.

[Scandium]

a new administration chooses to vigorously enforce laws that previous administrations were fairly lax about.

Due process is the real test here. The details of what he said and did matter and we don't know all that yet.

This is absolute bullshit and just the excuse they use to convince gullible people when they stamp out speech they don't like. Looks like we're back to "war on terror" panic trying to crush freedoms when they're inconvenient to regime propaganda.

[GuitarStv]

Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

Not true. You have to be convicted of a crime. They can't just say you're "immoral", or whatever then come ship you off.

Are you thinking of this one;
"Have been convicted of two or more crimes involving moral turpitude at any time after U.S. admission, where the two crimes did not arise out of a single scheme of misconduct."
Again, convicted. Not just accused. And in any case this guys wasn't even accused of a crime, that we know of.

And also:
"generally requires an immigration judge to determine whether they can be deported"
There is still a due process (at least in theory)

He's not been accused of criminal behavior or moral turpitude, he's accused of being active in (or at least very closely associated with) groups that endorse or espouse terrorist activities. When talking about Gaza the distinction between advocating for the people of Gaza and endorsing terrorist actions can be a pretty fine line since the government of Gaza has been a designated terrorist organization for more than 25 years. I can see it being easy to unintentionally find yourself on the wrong side of that line when a new administration chooses to vigorously enforce laws that previous administrations were fairly lax about.

Due process is the real test here. The details of what he said and did matter and we don't know all that yet.

Israel is a group that has executed recent, large scale terrorist attacks (one of the more recent instances was the indiscriminate pager bombing in Lebanon last year which were triggered to go off without regard for the holders or location).  By the accusation you listed, Donald Trump is guilty of endorsing terrorist actions by being active in (and very closely associated with) support of Israel.

Vigorous enforcement of law is one thing . . . but selective enforcement in order to target people you don't like is something quite different.  The latter is what is occurring.

[LennStar]

But Israel is only condemmed by a few dozen UN resolutions for their ongoing break of international law and chain of war crimes, not by the US president.
And anyway, Israel is a state, and a state cannot be a terrorist organization. Will be the argument of those for whom the pure existence of a state is already criminal.

It's never about logic, only about whose nose you like or not.

[Travis]

Coal dust and mercury in your food back on the menu

https://apnews.com/article/trump-epa-climate-zeldin-power-plants-feb184286a7a9419aefddce293362e6b