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Re: The MMM I Don't Get It thread...
« Reply #400 on: August 21, 2017, 12:48:26 PM »
Soccer.

Soccer moms whose lives revolve around their kids' soccer to the point of saying no to absolutely everything else in life. This doesn't impact me personally all that often, but it can be annoying on occasion.

Stainless steel appliances. Seriously, WTF? I resisted this for years, then when we remodeled our kitchen last year, I was basically forced to assimilate. I effing hate these things. How have so many consumers been duped for so long by something so very shitty?


Shitty? I beg to differ. I have them in my kitchen and they look lovely and quite appealing. The traditional white appliance? Hell no. Never again.

Mine look fine, too. Until I touch them, get a splash of water on them, cook on them, or generally look at them wrong. And then I can't simply wipe them with a wet cloth...no, it has to be a specially-made stainless steel wipe, because anything else will leave them looking quite a bit less than lovely or appealing. And heaven forbid there's a need to actually scrub anything off of a stainless steel appliance. It will never, ever be the same.

For these reasons, I find them to be annoying as h#!!.  Your mileage obviously varies.

I honestly don't know if you have some kind of crappy grade SS, are exaggerating, or are really bad at cleaning or picky or what.  My SS appliances look fine, and yes I have to wipe the fridge handle once in a while but that's about it.  When I do my normal cleaning I spray it with a little rubbing alcohol and wipe it down.  Same amount of effort as a white or black vinyl covered appliance.

Now, if you don't like the way SS looks, that's fine.  People have different opinions.  But surely you can recognize that some people like the way it looks.  I personally do think metal looks nicer than plastic in general.  I suspect you do not have a white powder coated faucet, for example.  Do you "get" why people have steel faucets?

Well, I'm definitely open to suggestions, although I'm a little hesitant about using rubbing alcohol on the stainless steel. (I'll look it up...don't want to ruin an already-sensitive finish.) We've tried standard cleaning stuff as well as Windex, and the only things that leaves the SS looking even remotely like new are the Wiedman (?) Stainless Steel Wipes. I don't think I'm overly anal; I just don't think it should be so hard to keep appliances looking nice.

I've grown accustomed to the "look" of stainless (at first, I thought it was pretty sterile-looking and not very homey), and I totally get why people have moved away from other colors. I just don't think stainless was the answer. It's too sensitive and way higher maintenance than I prefer. I think appliance manufacturers could have come up with a better "metal-looking" product years ago that would be easier to maintain. But now we're stuck with SS because so many people have it and it's too hard to move toward other options. SS seems to be here to stay for quite a while. I LOVE the "black stainless" mentioned above, but there aren't many appliance/size options, and for that reason, I'm hesitant about it being around for long.

(And to answer your pseudo-question, I don't think we got crappy-grade SS, but it's definitely not the "smudge-proof" type. The fridge is a $2500 Samsung, and the stove is a $3500 KitchenAid. For those prices, the damn things should wipe themselves! Okay, just kidding about that.)

Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't? 

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« Reply #401 on: August 21, 2017, 12:59:46 PM »
Given the event today, I don't get the fascination with the eclipse (and I'm an semi-astronomy nerd).
I know people driving 100-200 miles so they can get in totality.  I'm guessing a lot of interstates are going to be slammed, so it's going to take much longer than normal to get there.  Just for 2 minutes of totality.  I don't get it either.

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« Reply #402 on: August 21, 2017, 01:08:22 PM »
Given the event today, I don't get the fascination with the eclipse (and I'm an semi-astronomy nerd).

i think it's great that people are even remotely interested in science given the times we live in.

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« Reply #403 on: August 21, 2017, 02:42:11 PM »
Given the event today, I don't get the fascination with the eclipse (and I'm an semi-astronomy nerd).
I know people driving 100-200 miles so they can get in totality.  I'm guessing a lot of interstates are going to be slammed, so it's going to take much longer than normal to get there.  Just for 2 minutes of totality.  I don't get it either.

I didn't really, either, except my husband wanted to see it, so I came with him.

Totality was unbelievably cool. it was one of the coolest moments of my life. If you have never seen totality, you really don't know what you're missing. A partial eclipse gives you no idea of what it's like. Everyone in our group was just laughing in amazement, and more than a few of us were on the verge of tears.
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« Reply #404 on: August 21, 2017, 03:53:03 PM »
Given the event today, I don't get the fascination with the eclipse (and I'm an semi-astronomy nerd).
I know people driving 100-200 miles so they can get in totality.  I'm guessing a lot of interstates are going to be slammed, so it's going to take much longer than normal to get there.  Just for 2 minutes of totality.  I don't get it either.

I didn't really, either, except my husband wanted to see it, so I came with him.

Totality was unbelievably cool. it was one of the coolest moments of my life. If you have never seen totality, you really don't know what you're missing. A partial eclipse gives you no idea of what it's like. Everyone in our group was just laughing in amazement, and more than a few of us were on the verge of tears.

Interesting...I have seen several partials, but never a totality.  I will make an effort if we are anywhere near the totality next time (assuming I'm still alive and all).

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« Reply #405 on: August 22, 2017, 12:45:08 AM »
Also, anyone who is from or drives through South Dakota- they have Think! and Why Die? Signs. Doubt they're helping- how would that even be measured? What a waste of money.

I like the road safety sign in Branxton, NSW.

Drive carefully. We have two cemeteries, no hospital.

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« Reply #406 on: August 22, 2017, 02:46:42 AM »
Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

Probably nothing. The fridge keeps food cold, and the stove cooks food. But we had to buy a downdraft gas range because it's in the middle of the kitchen (no wall vent) with no hood...so that gave us ONE option. And yeah, we probably spent more on the fridge than we needed to. I'll freely accept facepunches for the fridge, but not for the stove since we had no other option.

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« Reply #407 on: August 22, 2017, 10:56:39 AM »
Given the event today, I don't get the fascination with the eclipse (and I'm an semi-astronomy nerd).
I know people driving 100-200 miles so they can get in totality.  I'm guessing a lot of interstates are going to be slammed, so it's going to take much longer than normal to get there.  Just for 2 minutes of totality.  I don't get it either.

I didn't really, either, except my husband wanted to see it, so I came with him.

Totality was unbelievably cool. it was one of the coolest moments of my life. If you have never seen totality, you really don't know what you're missing. A partial eclipse gives you no idea of what it's like. Everyone in our group was just laughing in amazement, and more than a few of us were on the verge of tears.

Interesting...I have seen several partials, but never a totality.  I will make an effort if we are anywhere near the totality next time (assuming I'm still alive and all).

Totality and partial are completely different.  That last tiny little sliver of the sun still puts out a whole lot of light.  Just ask any of the people in totality what it would have been like if you'd have cut the eclipse off a minute or even a few seconds before the last tiny piece was covered.  None of the pictures I've seen really did any justice to how wispy and clear the corona is.  To be 100% honest, though, it was definitely cool, but I don't know if I'd personally fly to another continent like the group of Germans I was chatting with at one point. 

We drove 120 miles to see it as a day trip, and the traffic was surprisingly light.  There were just a few minor backups on the way back since everybody was trying to leave at the same time.   I think the traffic was more out west because adding a million people to the infrastructure for 6 million already living in TN is not going to cause near as many problems as adding a million people to the infrastructure for the 1/2 million in WY.  Nashville especially is used to hordes of tourists, and I heard that eclipse traffic wasn't nearly as bad as just regular rush hour. 


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« Reply #408 on: August 22, 2017, 12:19:49 PM »
Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

Probably nothing. The fridge keeps food cold, and the stove cooks food. But we had to buy a downdraft gas range because it's in the middle of the kitchen (no wall vent) with no hood...so that gave us ONE option. And yeah, we probably spent more on the fridge than we needed to. I'll freely accept facepunches for the fridge, but not for the stove since we had no other option.

No way I'm putting my $1000 steaks in a crappy $500 fridge.  You can literally taste the poverty.  Here's a handy rule of thumb: your appliances must be worth at least as much as your annual grocery bill.

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« Reply #409 on: August 22, 2017, 02:04:42 PM »
Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

Probably nothing. The fridge keeps food cold, and the stove cooks food. But we had to buy a downdraft gas range because it's in the middle of the kitchen (no wall vent) with no hood...so that gave us ONE option. And yeah, we probably spent more on the fridge than we needed to. I'll freely accept facepunches for the fridge, but not for the stove since we had no other option.

No way I'm putting my $1000 steaks in a crappy $500 fridge.  You can literally taste the poverty.  Here's a handy rule of thumb: your appliances must be worth at least as much as your annual grocery bill.

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« Reply #410 on: August 22, 2017, 04:28:12 PM »
Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

Probably nothing. The fridge keeps food cold, and the stove cooks food. But we had to buy a downdraft gas range because it's in the middle of the kitchen (no wall vent) with no hood...so that gave us ONE option. And yeah, we probably spent more on the fridge than we needed to. I'll freely accept facepunches for the fridge, but not for the stove since we had no other option.

No way I'm putting my $1000 steaks in a crappy $500 fridge.  You can literally taste the poverty.  Here's a handy rule of thumb: your appliances must be worth at least as much as your annual grocery bill.

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« Reply #411 on: August 22, 2017, 04:36:13 PM »
Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

Probably nothing. The fridge keeps food cold, and the stove cooks food. But we had to buy a downdraft gas range because it's in the middle of the kitchen (no wall vent) with no hood...so that gave us ONE option. And yeah, we probably spent more on the fridge than we needed to. I'll freely accept facepunches for the fridge, but not for the stove since we had no other option.

No way I'm putting my $1000 steaks in a crappy $500 fridge.  You can literally taste the poverty.  Here's a handy rule of thumb: your appliances must be worth at least as much as your annual grocery bill.

Are you Ken M?

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« Reply #412 on: August 23, 2017, 12:08:16 AM »
Fifty Shades of Grey - a book that is passed around at a PTA meeting is not really porn or even soft core smut. It's just about white suburban ladies feeling edgy and naughty.

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« Reply #413 on: August 23, 2017, 06:31:36 AM »
Fifty Shades of Grey - a book that is passed around at a PTA meeting is not really porn or even soft core smut. It's just about white suburban ladies feeling edgy and naughty.

It is an abuse primer - someone analyzed it against an info sheet about abusive relationships and it scored 100%.  I can try to find that post (not on here) if anyone wants me to.  Actually Twilight is too.
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« Reply #414 on: August 23, 2017, 07:11:16 AM »
Fifty Shades of Grey - a book that is passed around at a PTA meeting is not really porn or even soft core smut. It's just about white suburban ladies feeling edgy and naughty.

It is an abuse primer - someone analyzed it against an info sheet about abusive relationships and it scored 100%.  I can try to find that post (not on here) if anyone wants me to.  Actually Twilight is too.
Never read 50 Shades (couldn't stomach it), but Twilight's first 2 books are definitely straight up abuse. Don't remember enough about the specifics of 3 or 4, and think the presence of Massive Vampire Army might start complicating things.

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« Reply #415 on: August 23, 2017, 08:58:31 AM »
I read all the Twilight books because DD and all her friends were reading it.  They didn't appreciate my opinion of it (and I have long been a reader of SFF).  I didn't pick up on the abuse, I was more innocent then, but I sure did see Bella as a blank slate to be written on.  I have never even started to read FSOG, what I heard about it turned me totally off.
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« Reply #416 on: August 23, 2017, 09:22:44 AM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.
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« Reply #417 on: August 23, 2017, 10:13:56 AM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.

No, that's pretty much the consensus of book critics the world over.  Bella was the author's ideal growing up story. She was good and pure and lived up to all the author's personal tropes. Where the lesson was definitely lost was that everyone adored her though she treated them all like exploitable resources, she initiated a love triangle that simply worked itself out in the end, and even after a war she didn't have to sacrifice or learn anything. And she lived happily ever after with a guy who is 100 years her senior who worked his way down the checklist of what qualifies as an abusive relationship which the author dressed up to appear loving and passionate.

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« Reply #418 on: August 23, 2017, 10:17:54 AM »
Fifty Shades of Grey - a book that is passed around at a PTA meeting is not really porn or even soft core smut. It's just about white suburban ladies feeling edgy and naughty.

It is an abuse primer - someone analyzed it against an info sheet about abusive relationships and it scored 100%.  I can try to find that post (not on here) if anyone wants me to.  Actually Twilight is too.

The bondage community hates 50 Shades. It turned what was supposed to be an activity that requires total trust in a relationship as something dark and sinister where she was almost forced into it, but is portrayed in the story as just how that lifestyle goes.  And the writing style itself was just amateur.

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« Reply #419 on: August 23, 2017, 10:33:17 AM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.

No, that's pretty much the consensus of book critics the world over.  Bella was the author's ideal growing up story. She was good and pure and lived up to all the author's personal tropes. Where the lesson was definitely lost was that everyone adored her though she treated them all like exploitable resources, she initiated a love triangle that simply worked itself out in the end, and even after a war she didn't have to sacrifice or learn anything. And she lived happily ever after with a guy who is 100 years her senior who worked his way down the checklist of what qualifies as an abusive relationship which the author dressed up to appear loving and passionate.

Huh. Very interesting! Well, it's nice to know I'm not alone (and that it was/is obvious to a bunch of other people as well).
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« Reply #420 on: August 23, 2017, 10:59:15 AM »
Fifty Shades of Grey - a book that is passed around at a PTA meeting is not really porn or even soft core smut. It's just about white suburban ladies feeling edgy and naughty.
It is an abuse primer - someone analyzed it against an info sheet about abusive relationships and it scored 100%.  I can try to find that post (not on here) if anyone wants me to.  Actually Twilight is too.

The bondage community hates 50 Shades. It turned what was supposed to be an activity that requires total trust in a relationship as something dark and sinister where she was almost forced into it, but is portrayed in the story as just how that lifestyle goes.  And the writing style itself was just amateur.


The blogger who checked it against the abuse list avoided all the sex, because she knew it wasn't how consensual bondage works.  It was all the rest of the book that screamed abuse.  The grooming, the disrespect of boundaries, the non-disclosure, the  . . . . .
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« Reply #421 on: August 23, 2017, 11:03:17 AM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.

I didn't recognize it because it is not a religious outlook I am familiar with.  Given the  outrage expressed against the Harry Potter books by many Christian groups, even thought there is a fair bit of religion in the stories as background, I simply didn't expect some one from that religious background to write a story about werewolves and vampires.   Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)
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« Reply #422 on: August 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.

I didn't recognize it because it is not a religious outlook I am familiar with.  Given the  outrage expressed against the Harry Potter books by many Christian groups, even thought there is a fair bit of religion in the stories as background, I simply didn't expect some one from that religious background to write a story about werewolves and vampires.   Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

The religious angle only came up with the critics because of the author's personal beliefs rather than it being explicit in the text.  I don't recall any religion at all in the story.  Many critical articles about the book series went something like "Mormon housewife dreams up her perfect love story" and it somehow escaped the author's attention that the relationship she described was actually terrible.

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« Reply #423 on: August 23, 2017, 12:45:53 PM »
The Twilight books were written by a Mormon. I have always read the first books as suffused with ultra-conservative Christian/Mormon values (which in many ways could be seen as abuse, frankly) despite the paranormal theme. Particularly, the insta-love between the two characters, and the male who will *not* have sex with Bella despite their nearly-unbearable attraction to one another until she is married (immediately after she turns eighteen). And then, when she gets pregnant, being absolutely, instantly in love with the baby and refusing to even consider not carrying it to term, even though it was more than likely to kill her. (Don't even get me started on who her daughter ends up being destined to fall in love with.) It felt pretty blatant to me, though I'm guessing that most of the target audience (pre-teens/teens and their moms) wouldn't notice it because it's a book about vampires and werewolves, y'all.

I may get flamed by people who are offended at my description of Mormon values, but so be it. Read the book and think about it, then get back to me.

I didn't recognize it because it is not a religious outlook I am familiar with.  Given the  outrage expressed against the Harry Potter books by many Christian groups, even thought there is a fair bit of religion in the stories as background, I simply didn't expect some one from that religious background to write a story about werewolves and vampires.   Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

The religious angle only came up with the critics because of the author's personal beliefs rather than it being explicit in the text.  I don't recall any religion at all in the story.  Many critical articles about the book series went something like "Mormon housewife dreams up her perfect love story" and it somehow escaped the author's attention that the relationship she described was actually terrible.

This is why I didn't see it - there was nothing in the book itself about any religion, so I had no idea that the author was coming from a specific background that made this behaviour idealized.

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« Reply #424 on: August 24, 2017, 08:28:50 PM »
Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

And Catholics about wizards, elves, dwarves and hobbits. :)

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« Reply #425 on: August 25, 2017, 07:27:57 AM »
Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

And Catholics about wizards, elves, dwarves and hobbits. :)

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« Reply #426 on: August 25, 2017, 08:59:23 AM »
Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

I suspect that Lewis's long standing support of the church coupled with the fact that Aslan was a thinly disguised Jesus stand-in in the Narnia stories probably bought him a lot of leeway.  :P

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« Reply #427 on: August 25, 2017, 09:03:49 AM »
Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

I suspect that Lewis's long standing support of the church coupled with the fact that Aslan was a thinly disguised Jesus stand-in in the Narnia stories probably bought him a lot of leeway.  :P

Oh yes.  But there is lots of good triumphs over evil in both Narnia and Harry Potter, and some Christian groups still object to both.

Actually I think my favourite of all Lewis's writing is the Screwtape letters, such a delicious ending.
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« Reply #428 on: August 25, 2017, 11:41:41 AM »
Anglicans can write (and read) about magical lions and talking animals with no problems from their church.  ;-)

I suspect that Lewis's long standing support of the church coupled with the fact that Aslan was a thinly disguised Jesus stand-in in the Narnia stories probably bought him a lot of leeway.  :P

Oh yes.  But there is lots of good triumphs over evil in both Narnia and Harry Potter, and some Christian groups still object to both.

Actually I think my favourite of all Lewis's writing is the Screwtape letters, such a delicious ending.

Virtually all of Tolkien's writing falls into "good (eventually) triumphs over evil", AND he was the person who converted Lewis to Christianity from atheism (although Lewis opted for CoE instead of Roman Catholicism, to Tolkien's chagrin). And yet his books and the subsequent movies have been subject to extreme criticism, even moreso than HP from what I've seen.

There's not much logic in most of the religious objections to mainstream culture that I've ever seen. My personal anecdote is that my parents wouldn't let me watch The Simpsons because of something they read in the aftermath of that "Homer skips church" episode. I could watch the Married With Children reruns that were on after school, but I had to turn the TV off when the Simpsons came on right afterward.

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« Reply #429 on: August 26, 2017, 08:42:23 AM »
Soccer.

Soccer moms whose lives revolve around their kids' soccer to the point of saying no to absolutely everything else in life. This doesn't impact me personally all that often, but it can be annoying on occasion.

Stainless steel appliances. Seriously, WTF? I resisted this for years, then when we remodeled our kitchen last year, I was basically forced to assimilate. I effing hate these things. How have so many consumers been duped for so long by something so very shitty?


Shitty? I beg to differ. I have them in my kitchen and they look lovely and quite appealing. The traditional white appliance? Hell no. Never again.

Mine look fine, too. Until I touch them, get a splash of water on them, cook on them, or generally look at them wrong. And then I can't simply wipe them with a wet cloth...no, it has to be a specially-made stainless steel wipe, because anything else will leave them looking quite a bit less than lovely or appealing. And heaven forbid there's a need to actually scrub anything off of a stainless steel appliance. It will never, ever be the same.

For these reasons, I find them to be annoying as h#!!.  Your mileage obviously varies.

I honestly don't know if you have some kind of crappy grade SS, are exaggerating, or are really bad at cleaning or picky or what.  My SS appliances look fine, and yes I have to wipe the fridge handle once in a while but that's about it.  When I do my normal cleaning I spray it with a little rubbing alcohol and wipe it down.  Same amount of effort as a white or black vinyl covered appliance.

Now, if you don't like the way SS looks, that's fine.  People have different opinions.  But surely you can recognize that some people like the way it looks.  I personally do think metal looks nicer than plastic in general.  I suspect you do not have a white powder coated faucet, for example.  Do you "get" why people have steel faucets?

Well, I'm definitely open to suggestions, although I'm a little hesitant about using rubbing alcohol on the stainless steel. (I'll look it up...don't want to ruin an already-sensitive finish.) We've tried standard cleaning stuff as well as Windex, and the only things that leaves the SS looking even remotely like new are the Wiedman (?) Stainless Steel Wipes. I don't think I'm overly anal; I just don't think it should be so hard to keep appliances looking nice.

I've grown accustomed to the "look" of stainless (at first, I thought it was pretty sterile-looking and not very homey), and I totally get why people have moved away from other colors. I just don't think stainless was the answer. It's too sensitive and way higher maintenance than I prefer. I think appliance manufacturers could have come up with a better "metal-looking" product years ago that would be easier to maintain. But now we're stuck with SS because so many people have it and it's too hard to move toward other options. SS seems to be here to stay for quite a while. I LOVE the "black stainless" mentioned above, but there aren't many appliance/size options, and for that reason, I'm hesitant about it being around for long.

(And to answer your pseudo-question, I don't think we got crappy-grade SS, but it's definitely not the "smudge-proof" type. The fridge is a $2500 Samsung, and the stove is a $3500 KitchenAid. For those prices, the damn things should wipe themselves! Okay, just kidding about that.)

Only part way through here so something might have been said already.  Holy Fuck $6000 on a fridge and stove?  That is insane.  I bought a $500 fridge(new) and a $900 stove (new) and thought I was spending too much.  What does yours do that mine doesn't?

In our case, the $3500 Kitchenaid refrigerator was counter depth, the only thing that matched the existing appliances and fit into the existing space. Since we knew we only had one choice, we price shopped it. Bought it from a vendor in New York(!) for a grand or so less. Let's hope it shipped from the same Distribution Center a local dealer would have used.

In the Department of Holy Fucks, we were told the existing 36" Dakor stove cost 10k! We found this out when the oven died the week of our neighborhood Holiday Cookie Party/Open House. It cost $300 in parts and DH had to completely disassemble the stove top to get to the part he needed to replace for the oven. Would have cost a fortune if he wasn't so smart and have an amazing collection of Torx bits. Mustachian angle: we bought the house because it fit our short, but precise wish list (4 bedrooms that didn't touch, gas stove, no pool). It was a short sale, because it had been overbuilt for the area. (See:10k stove). It was ridiculously clownish, but it's walking distance to DH's work, for the win. Oh, and we had to outbid twelve other bidders. Gah! Fucking HCOLA!

Back on point: I read on this forum recently that a smidgen of olive oil and a soft cloth will banish fingerprints from SS appliances. I haven't tried it yet, but I will, because it's easy and cheap. Better still, there's a little in the pantry that tastes "off". I'm sure the appliances won't care how it tastes.
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« Reply #430 on: August 29, 2017, 09:05:14 AM »
Maybe someone already mentioned this, but I didn't see it.

Fun fact: 50 Shades of Grey was originally self-published Twilight erotica/fan fiction.

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« Reply #431 on: August 29, 2017, 10:54:50 AM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

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« Reply #432 on: August 29, 2017, 11:13:55 AM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

Conversely, shaking hands with someone and it feels like you grabbed a dead fish.  Creepy.



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« Reply #433 on: August 29, 2017, 11:17:00 AM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

Conversely, shaking hands with someone and it feels like you grabbed a dead fish.  Creepy.

You mean a weak handshake or an old person whose strength and skin cohesion are failing?  I've been to a number of Middle Eastern countries and a light, almost finger-only handshake is customary for them. 

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« Reply #434 on: August 29, 2017, 12:08:18 PM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

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« Reply #435 on: August 29, 2017, 12:13:59 PM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

Not quite, but sneezes and such come to mind.  I don't touch anybody when I have a cold.

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« Reply #436 on: August 29, 2017, 02:11:38 PM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

Conversely, shaking hands with someone and it feels like you grabbed a dead fish.  Creepy.

You mean a weak handshake or an old person whose strength and skin cohesion are failing?  I've been to a number of Middle Eastern countries and a light, almost finger-only handshake is customary for them.

I mean a virile (and viral!)  male who shakes hands like a jelly fish.  Either do this thing or not.  I'm mostly with GuitarStv and find the whole thing rather disturbing. 

Travis - When you have a cold?  What about if they have one and you don't know it.  I'm not a hand sanitizer kind of guy, but damn if I don't want to wash off the skeevies.
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« Reply #438 on: August 29, 2017, 02:25:23 PM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

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« Reply #439 on: August 29, 2017, 03:01:16 PM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

Conversely, shaking hands with someone and it feels like you grabbed a dead fish.  Creepy.

You mean a weak handshake or an old person whose strength and skin cohesion are failing?  I've been to a number of Middle Eastern countries and a light, almost finger-only handshake is customary for them.

I mean a virile (and viral!)  male who shakes hands like a jelly fish.  Either do this thing or not.  I'm mostly with GuitarStv and find the whole thing rather disturbing. 

Travis - When you have a cold?  What about if they have one and you don't know it.  I'm not a hand sanitizer kind of guy, but damn if I don't want to wash off the skeevies.

I don't have a black light in my office or anything, but if I know I'm contagious I do them the courtesy of keeping my hands to myself. And there is a large bottle of Purell on my desk.

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« Reply #440 on: August 29, 2017, 05:18:02 PM »
People who feel the need to be overly aggressive with their handshakes...


I have a new guy in the office who shakes hands knowing that they cause pain in others.  He's not being mean, but he acts like it's just a personality quirk.  Our first handshake he crushed my fingers.  The second time he remarked "There we are!" when he got a proper grip on my hand, but still knew it was unnecessarily strong.  At least he's not trying to be a jerk (though I still don't understand his motivation).  I've known plenty of guys who shake hands with the intention of hurting you as some meaningless domination thing.

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« Reply #441 on: September 01, 2017, 08:56:06 PM »
I don't get how this thread went to not honoring our soldiers, not being patriotic, and issues with a christian country having the word God on money and the pledge.

What the heck is wrong with just for a moment thanking our soldiers for doing a job that keeps us safe and gives you the freedom to say such stupid shit?

What is wrong with just taking a moment, to honor the flag and what it represents at a sporting event?  Use the time to be grateful that you live in such a nice place.

I don't get why people are so annoyed at such a small gesture of gratitude.

Nobody said there was anything wrong with it. Yakamashi asked why it is done several hundred times a year at sporting events.

It's not gratitude when you're bullied or otherwise compelled to do it.  Gratitude and patriotism are things someone feels.  When the external celebration of said feeling becomes mandatory (which we in America love to play with) it's no longer a feeling and instead becomes dogmatic and the exact opposite of the freedom that patriotic fervor professes to be protecting.  There is no punch card or metric you have to wave around to show that you're patriotic enough.  Who keeps score?  It's a very insecure person who requires themselves to be thanked at every turn.

I don't understand why sporting events, and why not concerts, Black Friday openings, or any other place where some defined number of Americans congregate? Definitely not advocating that, as I find the near-compulsory nature of it repugnant.

I don't know, I think I could advocate for requiring anyone who wants to go shopping at 4 am the day after Thanksgiving to first sing the national anthem. All four stanzas, naturally. And preferably recorded and broadcasted for my viewing pleasure when I wake up at 10 to eat leftover turkey.

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« Reply #442 on: September 02, 2017, 02:20:01 AM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

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« Reply #443 on: September 02, 2017, 06:55:59 AM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Shaking hands is a demonstration that you aren't carrying a weaponized melon-baller to remove the eyeballs of the person you're shaking hands with.  It's done to placate those you believe would be difficult to take in a fight.  He either figures that the women are easy enough targets not to be worried about, or figures they're devious enough to attack while he's showing his lack of melon-baller.  :P

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Re: The MMM I Don't Get It thread...
« Reply #444 on: September 02, 2017, 09:22:08 AM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Shaking hands is a demonstration that you aren't carrying a weaponized melon-baller to remove the eyeballs of the person you're shaking hands with.  It's done to placate those you believe would be difficult to take in a fight.  He either figures that the women are easy enough targets not to be worried about, or figures they're devious enough to attack while he's showing his lack of melon-baller.  :P

As a southpaw, I'd just like to point out that while I have your right hand immobilized in a handshake, the melon-baller is poised and ready for use in my left hand.
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« Reply #445 on: September 02, 2017, 11:01:32 AM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Way back when, we shook hands with the men and kissed the hands of the women. Now we don't do the latter.

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« Reply #446 on: September 02, 2017, 11:09:23 AM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Way back when, we shook hands with the men and kissed the hands of the women. Now we don't do the latter.

I'm usually thinking, "just shake my hand, just shake my hand! Don't go all European on me and try to kiss my cheeks!  Oh no, it's a Euro-kisser!"

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« Reply #447 on: September 02, 2017, 03:52:58 PM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Way back when, we shook hands with the men and kissed the hands of the women. Now we don't do the latter.

I'm usually thinking, "just shake my hand, just shake my hand! Don't go all European on me and try to kiss my cheeks!  Oh no, it's a Euro-kisser!"

Or a Quebecker. 
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« Reply #448 on: September 04, 2017, 01:48:54 PM »
FWIW, I think handshakes themselves are a disturbing method of greeting new people.  Hey look a dude who is statistically likely to have touched his penis recently and not washed his hands . . . and now we get to rub our hands together vigorously.  MMmmmm can almost feel the oily foreskin.

That's what everyone else is thinking usually too right?

I'm usually thinking, Why is this jerk only shaking hands with the men in the room?

Way back when, we shook hands with the men and kissed the hands of the women. Now we don't do the latter.

I'm usually thinking, "just shake my hand, just shake my hand! Don't go all European on me and try to kiss my cheeks!  Oh no, it's a Euro-kisser!"

Or a Quebecker.
Despite having lived in Quebec for 4+ years this is one social tradition I'm still not comfortable with ("la bise"). I learned (through some embarassing encounters) that you're not actually supposed to touch your lips on the other person's cheek most of hte time, but rather 'air kiss' just below their ear. I'm always confused about which side I'm supposed to start with and based on the person, our familiarity and the situation you might 'kiss' on only one side or both.  Given that I run in social circles with a lot of international students it becomes even more uncertain. For example, a group of about ten of us met for a departmental meeting. About a third were from Quebec, a third from Euroupe and a few from the US and one Japanese. Commence cheek-kissing, until two Americans wind up greeting each other uncertain of whether to shake hands or kiss their cheek.  And the Japanese student seems to prefer to do neither.  Fun!
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« Reply #449 on: September 04, 2017, 02:20:19 PM »
Despite having lived in Quebec for 4+ years this is one social tradition I'm still not comfortable with ("la bise"). I learned (through some embarassing encounters) that you're not actually supposed to touch your lips on the other person's cheek most of hte time, but rather 'air kiss' just below their ear. I'm always confused about which side I'm supposed to start with and based on the person, our familiarity and the situation you might 'kiss' on only one side or both.  Given that I run in social circles with a lot of international students it becomes even more uncertain. For example, a group of about ten of us met for a departmental meeting. About a third were from Quebec, a third from Euroupe and a few from the US and one Japanese. Commence cheek-kissing, until two Americans wind up greeting each other uncertain of whether to shake hands or kiss their cheek.  And the Japanese student seems to prefer to do neither.  Fun!

I grew up in a very English part of Quebec and also learned this as an adult.  It is like meeting someone on the street, you sort of watch their body and eyes to see where they are heading and dodge appropriately.   ;-)    I've never seen someone do it for departmental meetings, though, or even shake hands at departmental meetings.  It is more for people you haven't seen in a while.  Like at conferences. 

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