Author Topic: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?  (Read 48998 times)

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2015, 02:54:27 PM »
E, people who failed the physical/intelligence test to be mall cops ?

Financial.Velociraptor

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2148
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Houston TX
  • Devour your prey raptors!
    • Living Universe Foundation
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2015, 04:32:10 PM »
Monday 20JUL2015 and Houston has still not been converted to a Homosexual Marxist Utopia.  Obummer is dragging ass on this one...

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2015, 04:47:57 PM »
Just why would the US military need to practice this in Texas?  And how would that possiblely translate to any other location? 

Because parts of Texas are damned hot and desert-like, which is a lot like many of the other hell-holes our military is being sent to for actual combat?     

That's not particularly relevant to anti-insurgent training, as has been repeatedly pointed out.

Quote
Exactly what law prohibits the US military from training on civilian land?  Do tell, enquiring minds want to know.  Please cite the exact name of the law, or some other identifying nomenclature so we can all go look it up.

Training? None, really. That's not the issue.  The issue is, why would the US Army organize a huge training exercise across several states, to practice an event that would be illegal if it were real?

Johnez

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1102
  • Location: Southern California
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2015, 10:54:15 PM »
^What exactly are they training for? I keep reading hysteria fueled articles with conspiracy theories. Or blown up statements.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2015, 01:01:00 AM »
^What exactly are they training for? I keep reading hysteria fueled articles with conspiracy theories. Or blown up statements.

That's just it, we don't really know, and the military has been less than forthcoming about the objectives of the training.  We do, however, know that anti-insurgent and anti-protestor scenarios are part of it; which is a departure from similar training missions in the past.

mrpercentage

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
  • Location: PHX, AZ
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2015, 01:17:56 AM »
Small arms work pretty well for Afghans. They aren't even as stubborn as Texans. You are talking about the Alamo state. To the last man. Bombers wouldn't really work either. What are you going to do destroy your own industry so you can get back some farm land? Lucky for Uncle Sam most people are just too busy watching internet porn and eating icecream to want anything to do with succession. As heavily armed as our US population is-- they would give any invader a serious headache. Unless, they want to come and work for cheaper, exploit our resources, and outbreed us. Those guys are seriously effective. Wait they are taking over. Wait a second, those are my ancestors. Shit those are us. We are pretty good at invading.

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2015, 08:30:53 AM »
E, people who failed the physical/intelligence test to be mall cops ?

Ha! I forgot about the high IQs manning airport security.

BTW the National Guard is restricted by posse comitatus. It's just that a state governor can declare martial law or amend their duties to include law enforcement faster and easier than the POTUS.

But I'm getting that I'd have a better chance of convincing certain posters "girl" is an appropriate reference for all women or MMM himself to buy an SUV with multiple credit cards.

mrpercentage

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
  • Location: PHX, AZ
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2015, 01:31:03 PM »
Small arms work pretty well for Afghans.
Yep, had the USSR/Russia running in circles for years! But those were hardened hill fighters and I'm not sure most people in Texas (or anywhere in the USA) has the same skills or mental fortitude to do what the Afghanis did back then or live like they did. But then most Texans are probably more heavily armed than Afghanis :-)!

Notice this guy is from Idaho. Never seen an Afghan do this. You might be underestimating Texas

https://youtu.be/jcoTj5WcZis?t=17s

wait lets see what a Texas girl can do

https://youtu.be/XfZFuw7a13E
« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 01:48:27 PM by mrpercentage »

2ndTimer

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2015, 02:06:49 PM »
Due to some oversight, the Hub has not yet been called back to active duty to assist with the invasion of Texas.  I am very sad because I enjoyed out time at Ft. Sam Houston a lot and would enjoy going back there.  Even at the risk of being gay married to a Marxist.  Maybe after they have completed subduing the locals they will need him to put on his Biochemist Hat to help spread the chemicals that will make every one a gay agnostic.  I live in hope.  In fact, I think I will email him and suggest he volunteer.  If we get their early we will get out pick of enslaved Texans to use as sex toys.

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2015, 02:58:58 PM »
E, people who failed the physical/intelligence test to be mall cops ?

Ha! I forgot about the high IQs manning airport security.

BTW the National Guard is restricted by posse comitatus. It's just that a state governor can declare martial law or amend their duties to include law enforcement faster and easier than the POTUS.

But I'm getting that I'd have a better chance of convincing certain posters "girl" is an appropriate reference for all women or MMM himself to buy an SUV with multiple credit cards.
Wow - that's pretty troll-ish (as was the Homeland Security comments) and full of innuendos I don't quite get. If you have something to say to me, just be direct and spit it out. I'm here to have a conversation and not looking to hurl insults or get into a pissing match with someone about their choice of service.

Anyways, yes I knew Nat. Guard had to get the governor's approval before they can circumvent posse comitatus, and the CG can have their ability to circumvent it removed when they come under the DoD or Dept of the Navy, or by presidential order. Otherwise, they are the only armed forces that has both military capability and federal law enforcement capability. But then I highly doubt Texans need to worry about that :-)!
Er, sorry. My apologies if you work for Homeland Security's TSA branch. I did not mean to insinuate they were a bunch of mental midgets.  I should have been up front and said I believed them a bunch of mental midgets - which I do for reasons too long to relate. As for the "girl" thing that was a reference to the intransigence shown on another thread. Intransigence that at least has relationship to logic and sanity. (In sum: some people think using "girl" to refer to an adult woman is automatically an insult; others disagree based on intent, culture, tradition, sheer orneriness).

But let me be clear on THIS topic: there is no way in hell a military staffed from top to bottom with republicans/conservatives is going to take over Texas on behalf of a President they hold in lukewarm regard (at best) for an agenda they dislike contrary to Federal law. To claim it is fearmongering and insulting to our service members.  To believe that is just plain idiocy.

If anyone chooses to feel insulted, be my guest. 
« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 04:58:46 PM by EricL »

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2015, 04:12:52 PM »
Er, sorry. My apologies if you work for Homeland Security's TSA branch. .....  I should have been up front and said I believed them a bunch of mental midgets - which I do for reasons too long to relate.

Foolhardy but undeniably brave.

They take a container of liquid off me at the airport because they believe it may be an unstable home-made explosive - and casually toss it into a trash can full of other containers of presumed unstable home-made explosive.

In my day when we had a misfire of a warhead we had an elaborate EOD procedure to make the range safe. Certainly none of us would have been brave enough to selflessly pick up the misfired round and throw it back into the magazine.

forummm

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7374
  • Senior Mustachian
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2015, 04:56:28 PM »
Er, sorry. My apologies if you work for Homeland Security's TSA branch. .....  I should have been up front and said I believed them a bunch of mental midgets - which I do for reasons too long to relate.

Foolhardy but undeniably brave.

They take a container of liquid off me at the airport because they believe it may be an unstable home-made explosive - and casually toss it into a trash can full of other containers of presumed unstable home-made explosive.

Unless it's something they want, and then they take it for themselves, keep it next to them at their station, and then drink it on break. I've seen this happen.

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2015, 05:28:31 PM »
Unless it's something they want, and then they take it for themselves, keep it next to them at their station, and then drink it on break. I've seen this happen.
Time to start peeing in Perrier bottles ?


MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2015, 06:40:37 PM »
And yes I agree  that conservative military members are unlikely to take over Texas (and why the heck would they want it anyways :-)!)

I was in the USMC; Communications Company, Headquarters Battalion.  I had (have?) a secret level clearance.  I can't share details, but I do know that, (at least back in 1990 or so) the USMC command didn't consider the effective occupation of the region I was stationed to be possible.  I would expect that they would have considered Jade Helm too provocative an exercise.  They really didn't want to antagonize their detractors in the Southern states, particularly considering that, at the time, so many of them were war veterans with more practical experience than anyone except the special forces.  I have no doubt that most anyone who has never served believes that the regular US military would have an overwelming advantage in the event of a mass insurrection; but I assure you, those whose job it would be to prosecute such an action do not typically share such confidence.  If nothing else, it would be a very "costly" conflict.  The Marine Corps are the world champions in 4th generation warfare, but so are those who are no longer wearing the uniform.

regulator

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 469
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2015, 08:08:57 PM »
So anyone who does not trust the gubmint and take them at their word is crazy?  I wonder if this will be the forum groupthink the next time we have a President Trump, Paul or Rubio...

Bob W

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2942
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Missouri
  • Live on minimum wage, earn on maximum
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2015, 10:21:12 AM »
Please remember that the Military in the US is primarily controlled by right wing Republican fundamentalist Christians.   And that the big backer of military spending in the US is the far right wing of the Republican party.   That should give one pause to reflect.   

This is not your grandfather's military. 

So yeah,  after watching reruns of Ken Burn's Civil War last night and knowing that there are still 10 people alive whose fathers fought in the civil war,  and there are thousands and thousands alive whose grandfathers fought in the civil war ---   It is not a great mental leap to believe that there once again could be military action against citizens by the US military.  Probably not in the near future but nonetheless at some point.  Economies crash, people become disenchanted, rebellions occur.   

Remember,  the king does not maintain an army solely to protect the kingdom or to invade other's territory.  The king keeps troops to put down internal rebellion as well.   This has historically been the case with most nations.   There is no reason to think that the US is an exception.  Most wars are civil wars. 

Lastly,  it is not a bad thing to remind the king occasionally that the citizens are armed and keeping an eye out. 

Does a little knowledge of history make me a tin hat conspiracy nut.  Nope, I don't think so.   

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2015, 12:40:10 PM »
Please remember that the Military in the US is primarily controlled by right wing Republican fundamentalist Christians.   And that the big backer of military spending in the US is the far right wing of the Republican party.   That should give one pause to reflect.   

This is not your grandfather's military. 

So yeah,  after watching reruns of Ken Burn's Civil War last night and knowing that there are still 10 people alive whose fathers fought in the civil war,  and there are thousands and thousands alive whose grandfathers fought in the civil war ---   It is not a great mental leap to believe that there once again could be military action against citizens by the US military.  Probably not in the near future but nonetheless at some point.  Economies crash, people become disenchanted, rebellions occur.   

Remember,  the king does not maintain an army solely to protect the kingdom or to invade other's territory.  The king keeps troops to put down internal rebellion as well.   This has historically been the case with most nations.   There is no reason to think that the US is an exception.  Most wars are civil wars. 

Lastly,  it is not a bad thing to remind the king occasionally that the citizens are armed and keeping an eye out. 

Does a little knowledge of history make me a tin hat conspiracy nut.  Nope, I don't think so.

Actually it is very much your grandfather's military.  It's patriotic, professional, and conservative.  Just because it's republican heavy actually accentuates that.  Republicans dominated the military in my grandfather's day and the drafteee conservative democrats that fought WWII would be considered republicans today.  And I can tell you despite the minorities, women, gays, and technology the culture remains very much the same.  Indeed, the additions tend to acclimate to IT rather than the other way around.  (This, BTW is not necessarily always a good thing.) 

Yes, the military does enforce domestic order when called upon in a crisis.  This is a GOOD thing and not necessarily tyranny.  I served in the National Guard during the LA riots and people were damn glad to see us.  You can have law with justice or without, but there's no way to have law without order.  And since you hail from the South, I'm reminded of a bread demonstration that threatened to become a violent riot in Civil War Richmond.  President Davis personally led the militia to restore order.  He demanded the crowd disperse in five minutes or he would order the troops to fire into them (a common tactic then).  The crowd didn't respond.  Finally President Davis held up his fob watch and declared (you have to imagine the southern accent).  "My friends you only have three minutes left!"  At this the crowd rapidly dispersed.  Tyranny?  Maybe.  But if he did nothing they might have burned the city down. 

Finally, just because I say there is no way Jade Helm is a maneuver designed to take over Texas or even train for it seems to be taken as a blanket endorsement of the Government's general trustworthiness.  It's like if I said the stock market will never crash due to purple flying monkeys from Venus devouring Wall Street getting interpreted as simply "the stock market will never crash".  That annoys me.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2015, 12:47:07 PM »
Please remember that the Military in the US is primarily controlled by right wing Republican fundamentalist Christians.   And that the big backer of military spending in the US is the far right wing of the Republican party.   That should give one pause to reflect.   

This is not competely accurate in my experience.  It's true that those "military families" that tend to have a series of family members in some branch of the military lean strongly to the 'right' (which, as a libertarian, has a different meaning to myself than to most), thus the military as a whole is more 'right' than the general population; this does not hold true for the career officer classes, which also has a distinct life path that typically includes an degree in either a military college or an ivy or near ivy league university; often somewhere in the New England states or Virgina with direct influence from Washington, DC.  So while the enlisted and some portion of the officers lean to the right, there is as different culture among the administrative command officers, generally speaking. (pun intended! ha!)  That said, I can't really say if the 'flag staff' officers lean 'left' or 'right', because I was never in a position to have that kind of conversation, and they are practically prohibited from expressing a political position while still in the service anyway.  But I can say with certainty, they seem to believe that they were born to lead; and as a result, are as authoritarian as hell.

Quote

Does a little knowledge of history make me a tin hat conspiracy nut.  Nope, I don't think so.

My children are homeschooled, and my teenagers have become 'self learners'.  They share discoveries with each other and my wife and I.  My son introduced a video series on Youtube called Extra History.  It's outstanding, and very entertaining.  They attack a particular event in history, and dissect it in ways that I certainly never heard about in school.  Their series on the "seminal tragedy" that led into WWI is the first real explaination of the causes of that war (and by proxy, WWII as well) that has ever made any sense. 

regulator

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 469
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2015, 12:52:00 PM »
Please remember that the Military in the US is primarily controlled by right wing Republican fundamentalist Christians.   And that the big backer of military spending in the US is the far right wing of the Republican party.   That should give one pause to reflect.   

This is not your grandfather's military. 

So yeah,  after watching reruns of Ken Burn's Civil War last night and knowing that there are still 10 people alive whose fathers fought in the civil war,  and there are thousands and thousands alive whose grandfathers fought in the civil war ---   It is not a great mental leap to believe that there once again could be military action against citizens by the US military.  Probably not in the near future but nonetheless at some point.  Economies crash, people become disenchanted, rebellions occur.   

Remember,  the king does not maintain an army solely to protect the kingdom or to invade other's territory.  The king keeps troops to put down internal rebellion as well.   This has historically been the case with most nations.   There is no reason to think that the US is an exception.  Most wars are civil wars. 

Lastly,  it is not a bad thing to remind the king occasionally that the citizens are armed and keeping an eye out. 

Does a little knowledge of history make me a tin hat conspiracy nut.  Nope, I don't think so.

+1 to all of it.

forummm

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7374
  • Senior Mustachian
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2015, 12:59:12 PM »
Please remember that the Military in the US is primarily controlled by right wing Republican fundamentalist Christians.   And that the big backer of military spending in the US is the far right wing of the Republican party.   That should give one pause to reflect.   

This is not competely accurate in my experience.  It's true that those "military families" that tend to have a series of family members in some branch of the military lean strongly to the 'right' (which, as a libertarian, has a different meaning to myself than to most), thus the military as a whole is more 'right' than the general population; this does not hold true for the career officer classes, which also has a distinct life path that typically includes an degree in either a military college or an ivy or near ivy league university; often somewhere in the New England states or Virgina with direct influence from Washington, DC.  So while the enlisted and some portion of the officers lean to the right, there is as different culture among the administrative command officers, generally speaking. (pun intended! ha!)  That said, I can't really say if the 'flag staff' officers lean 'left' or 'right', because I was never in a position to have that kind of conversation, and they are practically prohibited from expressing a political position while still in the service anyway.  But I can say with certainty, they seem to believe that they were born to lead; and as a result, are as authoritarian as hell.

Quote

Does a little knowledge of history make me a tin hat conspiracy nut.  Nope, I don't think so.

My children are homeschooled, and my teenagers have become 'self learners'.  They share discoveries with each other and my wife and I.  My son introduced a video series on Youtube called Extra History.  It's outstanding, and very entertaining.  They attack a particular event in history, and dissect it in ways that I certainly never heard about in school.  Their series on the "seminal tragedy" that led into WWI is the first real explaination of the causes of that war (and by proxy, WWII as well) that has ever made any sense. 

http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/05/does-the-military-vote-really-lean-republican/
Quote
Indeed, there has been a conservative drift among U.S. military officers since the draft ended. In a 2009 survey of 4,000 Army officers, Heidi Urben, an active-duty officer and doctoral candidate at Georgetown University, found that between 1976 and 1996, the share of senior military officers identifying itself as Republican jumped from one-third to two-thirds, while those claiming to be moderates fell from 46% to 22%.

Senior military officers who described themselves as liberal fell from 16% in 1976 to 3% in 1996. Urben found that younger officers leaving the Army were far more likely to identify themselves as Democrats than those opting to stay, which would tend to make the more senior ranks increasingly Republican

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118684/military-veterans-ages-tend-republican.aspx
Quote
Military Veterans of All Ages Tend to Be More Republican

Political difference highest among younger veterans

regulator

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 469
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2015, 03:18:25 PM »


Lastly,  it is not a bad thing to remind the king occasionally that the citizens are armed and keeping an eye out. 

 
But do you really think the King cares?  Do you think a rebellion lead by angry Texans with small arms is of any concern to the fully equipped US Army - or the US Military in general? I don't think so. I don't think the average citizen can do much against the military. Even if they are combat experienced Vets with military skills as one poster mentioned, they simply lack the hardware. Heck even our tiniest CG patrol boats, which may only have 2 or 3 people onboard, had a couple of .50 cals as well as an M-16, riot shotguns, and side arm for everyone.  Same for the Helos and larger patrol boats and ships. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have a whole lot more than that! So unless there is outside help - as there was for the Afghani's back in the Soviet Afghan war from the US and several other countries -  I think average armed citizens are not much more than flies to be swatted by the military, even in a Civil War,  and the king could care less - except maybe in an election year :-)

As long as the bread & circuses/pop-tarts & big screen TVs are still plentiful among the hoi polloi, I think it is probably a moot point.  That said, plenty of US households have firearms handy.  If they don't know how to use them, they can learn the basics quickly.  And I think you grossly underestimate the ability of guerrilla fighters to harass, kill, and generally humiliate the US military (think back to our last several long-running wars).  Since the people hitting and running would look like everyone else (including the military personnel), it would be even more difficult to clamp down on.

Attempts at gun control are not just about reducing street violence.  The powers that be would love nothing better than a helpless, unarmed citizenry.

regulator

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 469
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2015, 03:34:06 PM »


Lastly,  it is not a bad thing to remind the king occasionally that the citizens are armed and keeping an eye out. 

 
But do you really think the King cares?  Do you think a rebellion lead by angry Texans with small arms is of any concern to the fully equipped US Army - or the US Military in general? I don't think so. I don't think the average citizen can do much against the military. Even if they are combat experienced Vets with military skills as one poster mentioned, they simply lack the hardware. Heck even our tiniest CG patrol boats, which may only have 2 or 3 people onboard, had a couple of .50 cals as well as an M-16, riot shotguns, and side arm for everyone.  Same for the Helos and larger patrol boats and ships. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have a whole lot more than that! So unless there is outside help - as there was for the Afghani's back in the Soviet Afghan war from the US and several other countries -  I think average armed citizens are not much more than flies to be swatted by the military, even in a Civil War,  and the king could care less - except maybe in an election year :-)

As long as the bread & circuses/pop-tarts & big screen TVs are still plentiful among the hoi polloi, I think it is probably a moot point.  That said, plenty of US households have firearms handy.  If they don't know how to use them, they can learn the basics quickly.  And I think you grossly underestimate the ability of guerrilla fighters to harass, kill, and generally humiliate the US military (think back to our last several long-running wars).  Since the people hitting and running would look like everyone else (including the military personnel), it would be even more difficult to clamp down on.

Attempts at gun control are not just about reducing street violence.  The powers that be would love nothing better than a helpless, unarmed citizenry.
No doubt they could put a few chinks in the armor  - and as a person who owns several firearms I'd like to think I could do a little bit of "humiliating" myself :) - but I think that would be all it amounted too, a few humiliating chinks in the armor and maybe a bit of slowdown. Even flies can be hard to swat and they sometimes can out maneuver even the biggest fly swatter...for awhile. However, if there were ever an actual civil war (and other then Northern Calif seceding from southern Calif over water and fashion I think that's doubtful), then I would imagine other countries with a vested interest in taking out the USA as it is would rally to help.

Sabotage and killing soft targets would be pretty easy to do en masse.  Drive by a refinery with a high powered rifle and lots of rounds and it would be extremely messy.  Repeat times 1,000.

I'd guess an actual civil war would see the US military split as well.  Good thing this is all spitballing.  Time for Pop Tarts and the latest episode of ***whateverpopularculturecrap*** in 5 minutes...

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2015, 04:16:55 PM »
. Even if they are combat experienced Vets with military skills as one poster mentioned, they simply lack the hardware. Heck even our tiniest CG patrol boats, which may only have 2 or 3 people onboard, had a couple of .50 cals as well as an M-16, riot shotguns, and side arm for everyone.  Same for the Helos and larger patrol boats and ships. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have a whole lot more than that!

You speak of that which you do not understand.

This Class III weapons range & dealership is fifty miles from my house.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/events/featured-events/machine-gun-shoot

I've been there several times, I've seen stuff like TOW missiles for sale there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW) as well as more than one minigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun).  Yes, they are way expensive, and yes, the buyer of a TOW only get's one shot out of it, but some people do own them.  Legally.  And the only people that I ever saw there in any kind of current uniform were the BATF agents, and they were wearing some pretty 3 piece suits in the heat.  I hope the guys that pull that duty get extra pay, because they were the only group of people there that were constantly shunned by everyone there; including the few Black Panthers that seemed like they were just there looking to get into a fistfight at a gun range.  There was a vendor selling hot dogs, and he ignored a young BATF agent for at least 5 minutes while serving others, until he ran out of other customers.  Of course, the food vendor was the only vendor present that had the option of ignoring them.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2015, 07:00:22 PM »
. Even if they are combat experienced Vets with military skills as one poster mentioned, they simply lack the hardware. Heck even our tiniest CG patrol boats, which may only have 2 or 3 people onboard, had a couple of .50 cals as well as an M-16, riot shotguns, and side arm for everyone.  Same for the Helos and larger patrol boats and ships. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have a whole lot more than that!

You speak of that which you do not understand.

This Class III weapons range & dealership is fifty miles from my house.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/events/featured-events/machine-gun-shoot

I've been there several times, I've seen stuff like TOW missiles for sale there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW) as well as more than one minigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun).  Yes, they are way expensive, and yes, the buyer of a TOW only get's one shot out of it, but some people do own them.  Legally.  And the only people that I ever saw there in any kind of current uniform were the BATF agents, and they were wearing some pretty 3 piece suits in the heat.  I hope the guys that pull that duty get extra pay, because they were the only group of people there that were constantly shunned by everyone there; including the few Black Panthers that seemed like they were just there looking to get into a fistfight at a gun range.  There was a vendor selling hot dogs, and he ignored a young BATF agent for at least 5 minutes while serving others, until he ran out of other customers.  Of course, the food vendor was the only vendor present that had the option of ignoring them.
Oh I do understand and get it that many people have much more in their personal armory then a few small firearms. I just meant that they probably won't hold up to a few hundred tanks, aircraft, war ships, subs, or aircraft carriers and the type of long ranging armament they are capable of deploying.

They don't really have to, either.  Modern, 4th generation is asymetrical; in part, because the vast majority of military weaponry are designed to destroy infrastructure, not personnel, and cannot be used to suppress an insurrection because the dominate military is also somewhat dependent upon that same national infrastructure.  A four man team with a plan to damage a high-tension power distribution transformer; a single piece of infrastructure that has an over one-million dollar pricetag and a 4+ month replacement lead time, is at least as likely to frustrate and aggravate the occupier as they are to further degrade their own operational abilities.  The Air Force is simply not going to bomb Houston into the stone age, because it's that very same infrastructure that makes the city worth occupying to start with.  Our modern military needs targets to destroy, and 4th generation warfare is lopsided to the 'rebels' of any occupation, simply because such distinct targets are difficult to find.  Our past 10+ years in the middle east are a wonderful example; if war really is "economics by other means", then we have been getting our asses kicked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz#Influence

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2015, 08:43:43 PM »
How well would the U.S. Military do in an actual insurrection?  It depends. If it's a genuinely popular insurrection it wouldn't have a prayer - at least those elements not smart enough to join the insurrection.

But if it's a bunch of fat, entitled SUV driving tinfoil hats with the latest tacticool crap?  The military would snuff a quarter of them instantly without breaking a sweat, another quarter would have coronaries and die running away, another quarter would get away only to be ratted out by those who surrendered. These clowns ain't hard core VC peasants or Afghan tribesmen inured to decades of war and hardship. They're a bunch of wanna bes and even most of the veterans among them have long parted ways with PT.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2015, 09:46:02 PM »
But if it's a bunch of fat, entitled SUV driving tinfoil hats with the latest tacticool crap?  The military would snuff a quarter of them instantly without breaking a sweat, another quarter would have coronaries and die running away, another quarter would get away only to be ratted out by those who surrendered. These clowns ain't hard core VC peasants or Afghan tribesmen inured to decades of war and hardship. They're a bunch of wanna bes and even most of the veterans among them have long parted ways with PT.

In any engagement that a rebel army were to challenge the US Army head on, the rebels would get decimated, no doubt.  However, as I already mentioned, actual engagement of the enemy is not how 4th gen warfare is typically 'won' by the insurgent side; that's how it's won by the occupying side (which is one reason the US Marines are the world champions at this, the US Army is still largely structured to engage other national armies; even I wasn't trained that way back in 1992 in the USMC).  In a well prosecuted 4th gen insurrection, even the fat wannabes are tactically useful, and those fat veterans with 4th gen warfare training can still cause great economic harm to any occupying force.  I have personal experience that says that, not only is the USMC trained for this, they have plans to be the actual "resistance" force for every city there is a Naval Ordinance center or US Marine Corps reserve.  Those plans were above my clearance only because I didn't have a 'need to know', but I certainly knew where they kept them, and that they have maps and plans for bringing an entire city to a halt, if need be.

And here is another thought to ponder.  The Army & Air Force answer to the Secretary of the Army, while the Navy & Marine Corps answer to the Secretary of the Navy; both temporary civilian appointees that answer to POTUS.  There is no persistent military commander that holds authority over the entire US Military at the same time.  This structure was unique in the world when established, and was done so for sound reasons of historical fact; so that it was impossible for any single military commander to develop the loyalty of the entire force at once, and be able to effect a coup.  Those plans I noted above, are designed not just with a foreign invading power as the enemy occupier; but also with the US Army as the enemy occupier.  This is one reason, if you have ever wondered, why the US Navy and Marine Corps have their own capital & combat aircraft, rather than just call the Air Force for air support.

While Jade Helm certainly has poor 'optics', no military commander in his right mind would think that, even as large a contingent that Jade Helm employs, that size of an Army could actually suppress an insurrection in the Southern States.  Or even in Texas alone.  The economic losses, at least, would be astronomical.  I'm not sure that the entire US Army, with everything they have short of nukes, could maintain order or effective geographical control under such conditions.  Can you see the "king" ordering a tac-nuke strike within US soil?  If so, can you see a field commander, likely a colonel, following that order?

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2015, 10:53:21 PM »
Again, a genuinely popular insurrection would be invincible. You don't have to go into nifty 20 dollar PowerPoint terms like "4th generation warfare" to see that.  When everybody from hobos to wanna bes to hippies want a piece of your ass the smart move is to either join them or hide.  At least in a foreign country the military is independent of the natives and most of their infrastructure.  Not in CONUS. If you can't trust the zit faced kid at the 7-Eleven not to poison your coffee on your way to work or side switching comrades/commanding generals, actual competent insurgents are the least of your worries.

But a bunch of yahoos with assault rifles who think they're tough but have no other support?  They're dog meat. 
« Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 11:13:12 PM by EricL »

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 23129
  • Age: 42
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2015, 06:21:08 AM »
Agree with Spartana.  It's what all the people arguing about holdouts with guerilla tactics are ignoring.

What would the purpose of the US Army be in going to war with the population of the US?  It's not to hold territory.  They already hold the territory.  It's not to arrest people.  There's no benefit in keeping thousands of POWs.  The only real motivation for the conflict from the Army side would be eradication of a security risk (prevention of a population with guns from doing guerilla shit).  The most expedient way to achieve this would be through biological or nuclear options.  Just need a couple launches from an offshore sub and the whole 'Texas problem' dies away overnight.

That's part of why these little rebel alliance against the Obama empire fantasies are patently ridiculous.

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2015, 06:47:05 AM »
As somebody who grew up in Belfast in the 70s - we would like to thank the USA for its support of the rebellion.
Certainly made going to school exciting -  not knowing if that parked car was going to explode, or if that army patrol was going to accidentally shoot you in the cross fire.


EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2015, 07:00:05 AM »
As somebody who grew up in Belfast in the 70s - we would like to thank the USA for its support of the rebellion.
Certainly made going to school exciting -  not knowing if that parked car was going to explode, or if that army patrol was going to accidentally shoot you in the cross fire.

True but a little harsh.  Americay has a love affair with Ireland going back almost to our earliest days. We were even among the first to send relief ships during the Potato Famine - before we were rich and famous. That plus a huge immigrant contingent whose attitude toward Britain was spring loaded in the "HATE" position helped. And don't forget the IRA pioneered stealth funding through bogus charities. A lot of car bombs were doubtlessly funded by little old lady Colleens who thought they were helping kids in Belfast.

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2015, 08:36:34 AM »
Just pointing out that terrorism didn't start on September 11, the only victims aren't Americans, the perpetrators aren't only muslims and it isn't only Iran that funds terrorism.


Bob W

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2942
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Missouri
  • Live on minimum wage, earn on maximum
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2015, 10:11:41 AM »
Just pointing out that terrorism didn't start on September 11, the only victims aren't Americans, the perpetrators aren't only muslims and it isn't only Iran that funds terrorism.



Didn't your Irish friend just vote to keep British Rule?   That seems crazy to me.   Or is it just a loose association with Britain.   I don't really understand the current association.      Like Texas -- those dumbasses would actually vote to stay in the US if given the chance to vote. 

Financial.Velociraptor

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2148
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Houston TX
  • Devour your prey raptors!
    • Living Universe Foundation
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2015, 11:12:15 AM »
Just reporting in from Houston: its something like day 11 of the 'occupation' and I'm still not a homosexual Marxist.  Obama has failed the rest of the nation.  He hasn't even taken away my gun yet.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2015, 12:01:29 PM »
. Even if they are combat experienced Vets with military skills as one poster mentioned, they simply lack the hardware. Heck even our tiniest CG patrol boats, which may only have 2 or 3 people onboard, had a couple of .50 cals as well as an M-16, riot shotguns, and side arm for everyone.  Same for the Helos and larger patrol boats and ships. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have a whole lot more than that!

You speak of that which you do not understand.

This Class III weapons range & dealership is fifty miles from my house.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/events/featured-events/machine-gun-shoot

I've been there several times, I've seen stuff like TOW missiles for sale there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW) as well as more than one minigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun).  Yes, they are way expensive, and yes, the buyer of a TOW only get's one shot out of it, but some people do own them.  Legally.  And the only people that I ever saw there in any kind of current uniform were the BATF agents, and they were wearing some pretty 3 piece suits in the heat.  I hope the guys that pull that duty get extra pay, because they were the only group of people there that were constantly shunned by everyone there; including the few Black Panthers that seemed like they were just there looking to get into a fistfight at a gun range.  There was a vendor selling hot dogs, and he ignored a young BATF agent for at least 5 minutes while serving others, until he ran out of other customers.  Of course, the food vendor was the only vendor present that had the option of ignoring them.
Oh I do understand and get it that many people have much more in their personal armory then a few small firearms. I just meant that they probably won't hold up to a few hundred tanks, aircraft, war ships, subs, or aircraft carriers and the type of long ranging armament they are capable of deploying.

They don't really have to, either.  Modern, 4th generation is asymetrical; in part, because the vast majority of military weaponry are designed to destroy infrastructure, not personnel, and cannot be used to suppress an insurrection because the dominate military is also somewhat dependent upon that same national infrastructure.  A four man team with a plan to damage a high-tension power distribution transformer; a single piece of infrastructure that has an over one-million dollar pricetag and a 4+ month replacement lead time, is at least as likely to frustrate and aggravate the occupier as they are to further degrade their own operational abilities. The Air Force is simply not going to bomb Houston into the stone age, because it's that very same infrastructure that makes the city worth occupying to start with.  Our modern military needs targets to destroy, and 4th generation warfare is lopsided to the 'rebels' of any occupation, simply because such distinct targets are difficult to find.  Our past 10+ years in the middle east are a wonderful example; if war really is "economics by other means", then we have been getting our asses kicked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz#Influence
And they don't need to blast them back to the stone age - they can revert to  medieval warfare tactics and simply blockade Houston in and starve them out.  Nothing gets in by air, land or sea. Take out their water, power and other infrastructure  - I doubt the military would be interested in those things as squashing a rebellion and moving on would probably be their goal and not occupation. Scorch the earth so nothing grows and kill all the livestock and then sit back and wait.  The military has the assets to do this easily - and they have assets worldwide to replenish anything rebels would take out, along with allies that would most likely assist. Sure there'll be attacks on soldiers, and breaches but not enough to get food and water to millions of people. How many "war hardened" Texans want to watch their children and spouses starve to death in order to uphold a rebellion?  While I agree that rebels could do a lot of damage, I don't think it would be significant unless they had outside backing and most people in the US and worldwide supported the rebellion.

That would just make the insurrection more popular.  Counterproductive.

MoonShadow

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2542
  • Location: Louisville, Ky.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2015, 12:04:00 PM »
Just reporting in from Houston: its something like day 11 of the 'occupation' and I'm still not a homosexual Marxist.  Obama has failed the rest of the nation.  He hasn't even taken away my gun yet.

No, no.  They aren't trying to make you into a homosexual Marxist, silly.  They make you abitch of a homosexual marxist.  Do you have any missing time?

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2015, 02:41:26 PM »
Just pointing out that terrorism didn't start on September 11, the only victims aren't Americans, the perpetrators aren't only muslims and it isn't only Iran that funds terrorism.



Didn't your Irish friend just vote to keep British Rule?   That seems crazy to me.   Or is it just a loose association with Britain.   I don't really understand the current association.      Like Texas -- those dumbasses would actually vote to stay in the US if given the chance to vote.

Scotland just voted to stay as part of Britain - that's a different story, it's mostly just a "give us more tax$ or we leave" tactic.

Ireland was part split off from Britain nearly 100years ago but Britain kept the part of it where the majority liked being Brits.
It was based on the standard British tactic of "give them independance but split them into two so they will fight each other and leave us alone".
See India/Pakistan, USA/Canada, Cyprus, most of Africa, big bits of SE Asia etc etc.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 06:28:49 PM by nobodyspecial »

Financial.Velociraptor

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2148
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Houston TX
  • Devour your prey raptors!
    • Living Universe Foundation
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2015, 06:08:38 PM »
Just reporting in from Houston: its something like day 11 of the 'occupation' and I'm still not a homosexual Marxist.  Obama has failed the rest of the nation.  He hasn't even taken away my gun yet.

No, no.  They aren't trying to make you into a homosexual Marxist, silly.  They make you abitch of a homosexual marxist.  Do you have any missing time?

No missing time and my cornhole doesn't appear to be any wider.  Obama is incompetent, I tell you!

Bob W

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2942
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Missouri
  • Live on minimum wage, earn on maximum
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2015, 08:41:25 PM »
Just pointing out that terrorism didn't start on September 11, the only victims aren't Americans, the perpetrators aren't only muslims and it isn't only Iran that funds terrorism.



Didn't your Irish friend just vote to keep British Rule?   That seems crazy to me.   Or is it just a loose association with Britain.   I don't really understand the current association.      Like Texas -- those dumbasses would actually vote to stay in the US if given the chance to vote.

Scotland just voted to stay as part of Britain - that's a different story, it's mostly just a "give us more tax$ or we leave" tactic.

Ireland was part split off from Britain nearly 100years ago but Britain kept the part of it where the majority liked being Brits.
It was based on the standard British tactic of "give them independance but split them into two so they will fight each other and leave us alone".
See India/Pakistan, USA/Canada, Cyprus, most of Africa, big bits of SE Asia etc etc.
thanks

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2015, 08:43:24 PM »
Just reporting in from Houston: its something like day 11 of the 'occupation' and I'm still not a homosexual Marxist.  Obama has failed the rest of the nation.  He hasn't even taken away my gun yet.
Typical, cant rely on the government to do anything

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2015, 10:07:09 PM »
Just reporting in from Houston: its something like day 11 of the 'occupation' and I'm still not a homosexual Marxist.  Obama has failed the rest of the nation.  He hasn't even taken away my gun yet.
Typical, cant rely on the government to do anything

 please be patient! It's obvious he's doing it himself, personally.

RetiredAt63

  • CMTO 2023 Attendees
  • Senior Mustachian
  • *
  • Posts: 20745
  • Location: Eastern Ontario, Canada
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2015, 08:05:29 AM »
Um, re the USA/Canada thing?  Nope, wrong, we had the chance to join the insurrection and refused.  In fact, we were a haven for the political refugees who fled.  The Eastern Townships in Quebec and south-western Ontario (then still part of Quebec), and most of New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Cape Breton (then part of Nova Scotia), were settled by the refugees.  Typically Canadian/British, the residents in New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island complained that Halifax was too far away to be their government, petitioned for separate provinces, and got them.  Similarly the Loyalist settlers in western Quebec wanted British civil law (Quebec has the old pre-Revolution French civil law), petitioned for a split, and got it to become Ontario.  So the influx of refugees had a huge impact on the development of Canada.

We had a second chance in the War of 1812-14, as part of American expansion - and turned it down again.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwiH18QwpU

Ireland was part split off from Britain nearly 100years ago but Britain kept the part of it where the majority liked being Brits.
It was based on the standard British tactic of "give them independance but split them into two so they will fight each other and leave us alone".
See India/Pakistan, USA/Canada, Cyprus, most of Africa, big bits of SE Asia etc etc.

hodedofome

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1463
  • Age: 44
  • Location: Texas
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2015, 08:52:44 PM »
I live in Texas and I don't even own a gun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

EricL

  • Guest
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2015, 10:29:13 PM »
I live in Texas and I don't even own a gun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Damn! Is that legal?

Philociraptor

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1131
  • Age: 34
  • Location: NTX
  • Eat. Sleep. Invest. Repeat.
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #93 on: July 27, 2015, 07:18:02 AM »
I live in Texas and I don't even own a gun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Damn! Is that legal?

I hope so, this is me as well.

forummm

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7374
  • Senior Mustachian
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #94 on: July 27, 2015, 08:24:09 AM »
I live in Texas and I don't even own a gun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Damn! Is that legal?

I hope so, this is me as well.

It's legal if you're not white and not conservative. Those people are threatening when they walk around with open carry.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2015, 08:25:56 AM by forummm »

hodedofome

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1463
  • Age: 44
  • Location: Texas
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2015, 08:35:37 AM »
It's funny, several years ago I went out for a friend's birthday party weekend out at a ranch with several friends from church. We went out shooting the next day and I swear I thought I was in the local chapter of the Tea Party. Mind you, my church is not normal in that the leadership is racially diverse as well as the members, but on that day I was the odd ball that didn't bring at least 5 firearms along with enough ammunition to stop ISIS.

I'm not against guns, in fact I like them and I'm a decent shot, I'm just too cheap to spend hundreds or thousands of $$$ on them. Expensive hobby.

My cousin's father in law lived out in West Texas and passed away a few years ago. He lived in a shack worth about $15k. He had guns and ammo worth over $150k. My cousin packed a UHaul full and still had to sell a bunch of ammo that wouldn't fit. He drove anxiously across the state back home to East Texas. Can you imagine if he got pulled over? If I was a cop I'd throw him in jail and figure it out later, just to be safe.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bob W

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2942
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Missouri
  • Live on minimum wage, earn on maximum
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #96 on: July 27, 2015, 08:59:04 AM »
"On March 2, 1836, with the Alamo under siege, delegates from across Texas met and declared their independence from Mexico. Feelings of Texas pride have remained strong ever since, going well beyond just football and barbecue. In fact, Texas even has its own pledge of allegiance and requires all students to take Texas history"

Read just briefly about Texas history and it is very interesting.   Seems 6 flags have flown over Texas and the countrystate has a history of being at war and invaded.   

Apparently the last battle of the northern invasion of the south occurred there as well.   I can see why native Texans are a bit paranoid especially since the US essentially turns a blind eye to the millions who have crossed the border there illegally. 

Yeah,  if I lived in Texas I would definitely have guns. 

nobodyspecial

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1464
  • Location: Land above the land of the free
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #97 on: July 27, 2015, 09:12:01 AM »
several friends from church. We went out shooting the next day and I swear I thought I was in the local chapter of the Tea Party. Mind you, my church is not normal in that the leadership is racially diverse as well as the members, but on that day I was the odd ball that didn't bring at least 5 firearms along with enough ammunition to stop ISIS.

Good job it wasn't a birthday party with some friends from the mosque ....

beltim

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2957
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2015, 09:29:20 AM »
Apparently the last battle of the northern invasion of the south occurred there as well.   I can see why native Texans are a bit paranoid especially since the US essentially turns a blind eye to the millions who have crossed the border there illegally. 

Are you seriously trying this again in the same thread where you were already corrected?

The Civil War was not a war of northern invasion.  The Civil War started because a bunch of states committed treason - they raised armed insurrection against the legal government.  And what cause did they do this for? Slavery.  Look for yourself what Texas had to say about why it tried to secede:
Quote
(Texas) was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy.
...
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States.

Russ

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2211
  • Age: 32
  • Location: Boulder, CO
Re: Texas is preparing for war with the US Military?
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2015, 11:47:53 AM »
In fact, Texas even has its own pledge of allegiance and requires all students to take Texas history

so does Ohio, and you don't see them nutting about some imaginary invasion