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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2014, 11:44:08 AM »
I'm a lawyer.  I got a phone call from one of my boss' clients.  This guy has a history of erratic behavior and not paying his bills.  He said he was in the hospital waiting for the orderly to take him to surgery but he wants me to set up FOUR new LLC's for him immediately.  Today.  In a state where he doesn't have an office or any kind of presence, whatsoever.  Using a LLC name that is not available.   

I stalled.  Said I needed to talk to my boss and that he needed to have a principal office address in the state to set up an LLC.  Hung up and sent an email to boss explaining the problem.

Boss called me and reamed me out on the phone for telling the client that he needs a principal office.  Said that I'm wrong.  I'm not.  Said that I just should have done what client wanted, never mind that he might not even be lucid.

This is a true story.  Fortunately, my boss travels a lot and is rarely here.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2014, 07:27:31 PM »
So a couple weeks ago the work buddy I pretty much handed the baton to found another (vastly better) job and gave 2 weeks' notice.
He must have started that job search as soon as he realized what you've been putting up with...

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2014, 08:31:45 PM »
So a couple weeks ago the work buddy I pretty much handed the baton to found another (vastly better) job and gave 2 weeks' notice.
He must have started that job search as soon as he realized what you've been putting up with...

I think his search was started before I made the decision to bail.  He was very selective, found what appears to be a good place to go, and even negotiated for equity in the firm.  I think he was more motivated once he caught a chunk of my workload on top of his.  The last few people who bail will be working very hard, since management does not seem eager to hire replacements.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2014, 08:54:15 PM »
At the previous school where I taught, we lost our prize-winning principal to an offer from another school and they promoted an assistant principal who had connections to the school's superintendent in her place.  Within weeks, everything was chaos.  She was primarily preoccupied with keeping the number of student suspensions low because that affected our school's budget, so her solution was to simply not enforce any school rules.  Since this was a school in the inner-city with a lot of gang member students, the kids went berzerk with violent behavior.  I ended up in Urgent Care twice for injuries and students were never suspended for it.  I filled out a police report on the students and the principal threatened my job.  I could not get out of there quickly enough.  Jobs become completely unbearable when administrators and managers are incompetent.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2014, 09:08:30 AM »
Oh these are some corkers!

Okay time to add another story of this guy.

All right, it's been a while, but we're going to relay another tale of this strange, sad fellow, a matter of faith in fact.

I hesitated to share this one, but I think after lurking here a while this forum is mature enough for it. 

I hate mentioning anyone's religion on the internet because there's like this patrol on the internet who is set to try to change any mention of the subject into a flame war.

So up front:

1.  This guy is a nutter butter who doesn't represent the group he claims to belong to.  At all.  Not even close.

2.  I have to define a new human emotion to tell this story, the emotion of smooplarf.  It's a unique state I've never seen before or sense that defies all existing terms, so I had to name it.  So now there's anger, happiness, envy, sadness, smooplarf, etc.

So one day, Terrible Boss calls in myself and "Billy" (not his real name) for one of his famous cauterwhaling diatribes.

And boy oh boy did we get a good one, today's subject was religion and everything we don't know about God that we ought to, per the gospel of Terrible Boss.

Now for the record, I am a person who believes in God, so I'm not inherently opposed to the concept here if he really has something he thinks he needs to share with us (not that you'd have to believe in God to be open to it but I digress), but I don't think this was necessarily the best topic to discuss in this setting, considering his relative expertise and the stated goals of our operations at this business.

But this was at the time I had decided I needed to leave this job, but I needed to save some money up first, so I sat there and just regarded this as being paid to listen to an hour long monologue.

Again, it is hard to do this man's performances justices in text.  You see dear reader, it is a modern affectation to insist all nonsense is equal, that there's no difference between something that's not supported in the manner in which you'd prefer and outright, spur of the moment fabricated non sequitars.

This is simply not the case, I tell you my friends there is nonsense and there is Nonsense, and this was the latter.  He was in rare form on this occasion.

He had a hypnotic way of being Nonsensical, ranting, screaming at some points, standing up and slapping his belly, smoking a cigarette (three consumed during the whole thing) and making gestures with it for emphasis of key points.

I can't recreate it, I could barely keep up with it at the time as he moved seamlessly from one unrelated idea to the next; he may have been a terrible person but his segues were second to none.

I can only attempt to bullet point the recurring themes:

1. The argument predicated on the existence of an all powerful God, but he was smarter and wiser than said God because God created women (note that this rant happened about the time he'd been arguing a lot with his ex wife).

2. God would let him do anything he wanted to, but specifically he had a supernatural ability to manipulate his own luck.

3. He somehow accomplished all of this through the power of strict Catholicism.

As to the first point, ignoring the implied misogyny and frustration with his ex wife he was projecting onto all women (as he so often did), I'd rather wonder, given how the human species is structured, how he would expect it to endure without the existence of the female specimens, so I'd rather think God did rather well providing us with the whole set there.  Granted such indiscriminate inclusion in existence makes certain things problematic, but I'm still going to chalk that one up as a win.

As to the second point, I attempted to address that in conversation.

As to the last point, I'm not a Catholic or an expert on Catholicism, my only street cred is I used to have lunch every week with one Father Jamie, and I've talked to some number of nuns, monks, and normal run of the mill Catholic people in the course of every day business and volunteerism in the past, and all I can comfortably state about them as a group is they are a wide and diverse set of people with different interpretations and ideas about their shared religion, often to the point the religion is the only point of commonality.

Despite my humble pedigree and such a wide and vague assessment of what it means to be Catholic, I still feel completely safe saying this individual's strange behavior, ideas and thoughts are not in any way actually Catholic, nor is his overall lifestyle, bearing and disposition similar to any other self professed Catholic person I've ever met.

Indeed if he was a "strict" Catholic, then the word "strict" must be remarkably elastic.  To put it succintly, if he was a strict Catholic then I'm the King of England.

You see my difficulty, where does one even begin to take such a proposal apart?  I wouldn't have a problem with this per se if he hadn't said this was Catholicism, I mean it could be some new religion of his, but he called it Catholicism, which bears no resemblance to this... I was so confused.

But in conversation, I decided to triage, limiting myself to the second point.  I simply said "Well, I don't think that's how God works sir."

I thought that was a good way to put it, I wasn't attacking him or the idea, I was just pointing out there was an alternative interpretation of the... uh... facts?  Were there ever any actual facts discussed in that hour... I'm not sure.

Regardless I really shouldn't have said that.

He didn't get mad or anything like that, in fact I don't think I understood his reaction at all, until I finally realized he was smooplarfed. 

He became very very smooplarf indeed, red in the face, animated, agitated, excited, speaking in a high pitched voice, his hands shaking and constantly passing a crushed cigarette between them while grinning with his brow corrugated.  All the classic signs of smooplarf were there.

And his reasoned response to the statement I just made was "I can't go to hell, I'd dig it up."  He then gestured, pointing with the fingertips of both hands, violently, forward and back, up to down, for emphasis.

Never in my life have I been so succinctly and utterly defeated in rhetorical or theological debate by such elegance and brevity.

I literally had no idea what to say at that point.  I was utterly defeated by his counterpoint, I must say.

As crazy as this experience was, I'm oddly bemused now that at one point in my life, someone was paying me to listen to rants.  I wonder if that's a career I could explore more in the future sometimes.

There were other incidents.  My other favorites were all the times he'd tell us about something we had no business knowing about, and then say it never happened because he confessed it to a priest. 

First of all that's so wrong it's beyond ludicrous, but that's beside the point, it turns out.

I later learned the "priest" was code for a bartender who claimed to be a minister, which he may have been (I doubt it personally), but the last time I checked no Catholic priest would be tending a pub for any number of reasons, so even if it is true, it makes no sense!

And with that I'm done, I can't stomach any more hypocrisy from him in one write up.

I wish he'd go to an actual priest, be it a Catholic priest or some other faith's because talking to any other human being who wouldn't feel obligated to indulge him could only help; there's no downside potential to the idea, and Father Jamie in particular would straighten this guy out real good...  but he'd probably become smooplarfed and get drunk rather than listen to a priest however.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2014, 09:31:22 AM »
I just caught this thread. My one question is HOW did the guy shit his chair? Did he not have pants / underwear on? Did he just blow a hole right through them? Seriously this is going to bother me all day.

No idea.  I was not physically present the day of and never bothered to ask.  If I had to hazard a guess he was high and thought it was the toilet?

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2014, 11:12:42 AM »

As to the first point, ignoring the implied misogyny and frustration with his ex wife he was projecting onto all women (as he so often did), I'd rather wonder, given how the human species is structured, how he would expect it to endure without the existence of the female specimens, so I'd rather think God did rather well providing us with the whole set there.  Granted such indiscriminate inclusion in existence makes certain things problematic, but I'm still going to chalk that one up as a win.


Well, considering that there are species which have done quite well and thrived even after all males have gone extinct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail) I'd say that's some pretty solid evidence that the male half of the species is the mistake.  :P  But that's a big digression from the topic at hand, and I should add that I'm not really serious.  It's just my go-to when misogyny of that sort rears its ugly head.

When you can stomach it again, more please!

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2014, 01:45:47 PM »
I'm glad nobody is experiencing awful boss behavior to add to this thread, but I have to be honest, I'm missing these stories.  Does LalsConstant have any more nuggets to share?

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2014, 02:42:34 PM »
I had a boss in highschool that would carry around puppets and make them talk then he would make fun of the workers if we looked at the puppet instead of him cause he was actually the one talking. Strange...strange...fellow..

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2016, 06:05:23 AM »
This is such an epic thread that I think reviving it with some necroposting would entertain some of the new forumites. Also, I have some updates about my former horrible boss.

You see, my workplace strategy for dealing with horrible bosses can be distilled into two cliches:
1) outplay, outwit, outlast
and, if that doesn't seem to be working:
2) vote with your feet.

A few years ago I had to deal regularly with a poster child for a poor manager.
Searching the internet made me realize she was a "normal" terrible manager in several respects:
Generally unethical and frequently lied
Cooked the books to make herself look better to the higher ups
Had a "do as I say, not as I do" style
Interfered with the flow of necessary information within the company
Very insecure and not very competent; had trouble working with competent people
Pitted employees against each other
Feuded with peer managers while being super sweet to the higher ups
Constantly took credit for the ideas and work of others
Blamed others whenever things went badly
Problems with emotional control, regular outbursts, unprofessional emails
General incompetence with even low level things, and refusal to get training
Disrespect for normal boundaries (going through people's desks, reading employee emails as a general hobby, expecting people to come in for meetings during their vacations, etc.)
Micromanaged highly educated professionals
Hiring someone at one salary and then, within a year, telling them they'd have to take a pay cut to free up money for her other projects (this happened to two different people and a third person successfully fought it)
Obsessed with ladder climbing and status.

Just as examples of the ladder climbing and status, she already had the nicest office on the floor but decided the very large conference room with an attached bathroom should be her office space . . . so she just had all of her stuff moved there one day. No, she didn't ask anyone, she just did it. This left no large conference room on our floor for meetings. People from other groups who work in our building were not happy to lose the meeting space. She also has manipulated and wormed her way up the supervisory chain so that she now reports to a senior VP, although her title and work function has not changed at all.

You get the idea, it was mostly garden variety stuff to make herself look and feel important even if it was at the expense of others. I kept my head down, did the best job I could, and tried to stay pleasant to her, but it got old pretty fast. After a couple of years I started trying to get an internal transfer, and eventually that panned out. Hooray!

Of course, to horrible boss, this was a betrayal of leaving beyond forgiveness. She started to trash me to others, made up stories, and generally attempted to make my life miserable for the next year; she then moved on to other, more immediate targets, thankfully. I felt bad for her victims--co-workers who I left behind in her group--but within 3 years there was >80% turnover in her group. Some of the folks quietly got other jobs, and some tried to call attention to her antics with her boss or HR and summarily got fired by her.

Well, it's several years later now, and all of her bad karma is finally coming back to get her. First, another department caught her doing something that would be a big, potentially front-page level scandal for our employer if it leaked out, but she threw all the blame at an underling . . . so somehow she survived. This and a few of her other recent unethical actions have finally led to an organized mutiny in her group . . . and right at the same time the big boss found out she directly disobeyed something basic he told her to do. So now big boss has launched this giant investigation and she has been placed on leave. I had not been paying any attention to her or her group lately and only found out about it when I was contacted by HR for a "confidential interview" a month or two after the shit hit the fan.

I really shouldn't care, but it does make me happy for the downtrodden souls still under her heel.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2016, 01:12:32 PM »
We had a manager that would throw tantrums that appeared to be out of a Three Stooges episode - falling on the floor and flopping around, beating his head against the wall, etc. I never witnessed them personally but enough people did that I believed them.

Then he'd have an epiphany mid morning Friday morn that this project had to be done THIS WEEK come hell or high water. We would shift our work hours, tell our families to be patient and we'd work all weekend.

At 4:30PM that afternoon he could seen exiting the building right on time while everyone else rushed around the shop or engineering spaces.

Someone finally caught him one week as he hit the door and casually asked where he was going and he replied "to the mtns! Am taking my family to the mtns!" He did that more than a few times. The mtns or the lake or some other destination.

Now some of the guys on the floor appreciated the overtime even if it was on short notice but I was engineering and got no overtime. Rush, rush, rush - and everything was ready for Monday as demanded by the manger. Delivered my part of the project only to see them (documents, drawings, BOMs, etc) languish on the shelf for weeks before they were returned to me and I was ordered to burn the midnight oil again to verify the contents. Busy work assigned to us just because he could.

It was good to leave that place. A friend who works there now says he's got another year or so before he has his ducks in a row and he leaves too. Lots of turnover.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2016, 01:27:48 AM »
My favorite part of FI(which I have a have enough of to live modestly but I'm only 25 so I continue to work because i enjoy learning about the job) is telling bosses when I wont do something because it's inefficient and a waste of time.

My peers try and cover for me because I help everyone out and they don't want to see me be fired, but I've realized the day I have to do something I hate this job I enjoy will turn into a prison and I'd quit soon anyway. I hope I can be a role model for my Mercedes and corvette driving peers of the freedom that saving your money can get you.

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Re: Terrible bosses
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2016, 11:12:47 PM »
First, one person that I'm dealing with is the overly-ambitious type, who doesn't care who gets stepped on in her way to the top.  Lies, bullies, etc.  I guess the lesson I've taken away from watching her is simply to be happier with what I've already got, rather than constantly striving for what's next, or getting more.  I'm fine with ambition to an extent, but taken to this level it's more akin to greed, in that nothing will satisfy her, and I simply don't want to live my life that way.

Yes, this person at my office taught me that I do not want to become a partner there, that it's really not worth sacrificing my personal life and health for any job, that people don't leave jobs / they leave managers, that who you work for is a primary factor in your job satisfaction, etc.  She also warped my sense of what is "normal," so I am trying to shed every bit of toxicity that seeped from her into me.

And like most people learn the older you get if you do things hoping people will appreciate you , you will live a life of disappoinment!

Truth!
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