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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2018, 10:47:22 PM »
You can build roads with it (sorry this may be paywalled)

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/plastic-and-glass-road-that-could-help-solve-australia-s-waste-crisis-20180802-p4zv10.html

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Sutherland Shire in southern Sydney is the first council in NSW to trial a plastic road following a similar Australia-first pilot in Hume City Council, in Melbourne’s outer north-west, in May this year.

The section of the highway, between Cooper Street and Engadine Avenue, will look identical to a traditional asphalt road.

But “Plastiphalt”, as the new material is known, will contain 176,000 plastic bags, 55,440 glass bottles and toner from 3960 used printer cartridges mixed with asphalt.

That seems like a tiny amount of plastic material honestly

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2018, 05:42:11 AM »
Of course we need to be doing way more to deal with plastic pollution than just banning straws, but I'd rather they get people to cut back on straws and plastic carrier bags and the like than just do nothing. It would be even better if people were encouraged to replace plastic crap in general with sustainable alternatives, but insisting on the perfect action or policy before you do anything is just going to lead to nothing ever getting done.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2018, 06:08:09 AM »
You can build roads with it (sorry this may be paywalled)

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/plastic-and-glass-road-that-could-help-solve-australia-s-waste-crisis-20180802-p4zv10.html

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Sutherland Shire in southern Sydney is the first council in NSW to trial a plastic road following a similar Australia-first pilot in Hume City Council, in Melbourne’s outer north-west, in May this year.

The section of the highway, between Cooper Street and Engadine Avenue, will look identical to a traditional asphalt road.

But “Plastiphalt”, as the new material is known, will contain 176,000 plastic bags, 55,440 glass bottles and toner from 3960 used printer cartridges mixed with asphalt.

That seems like a tiny amount of plastic material honestly

To be fair, it is a trial program. I looked up the stretch of road in question on Google Maps., and it's a quarter of a kilometer of road that could only best be described here in the states as a major city street. Not a highway by our definition, or a freeway, maybe an expressway depending on your geographical region; but it's basically just a six lane road with sidewalks, a meridian, signals at major intersections, zero shoulder, and a top speed of 70km/h. Edit: Correction. Old Princess Highway, which is a quarter kilometer of two-way residential street with enough of a shoulder to permit parking. It seems like a respectable an even more impressive amount of product for the paving area in question. After all, most of the volume in tarmac isn't the tar, it's the gravel - or in this case, glass.
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Re: Straws are now evil?
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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2018, 05:56:26 AM »
Looks like there are plastics out there now that will decompose:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/how-long-does-it-take-for-plastics-to-biodegrade.htm

Yep, some have been around for a while. We have many rolls of biodegradable dog "poop" bags.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2018, 11:05:08 AM »
Straws are inanimate.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2018, 01:45:50 PM »
I don’t understand why an adult without certain specific disabilities needs a straw. Have we become just that lazy? Use some hand-eye coordination! It’s not hard! /rant

It is infinitely easier to drink a drink with ice in it with a straw.  It prevents the ice bath you get when your drink is more than half gone and you tip it and all the ice rushes towards your face. 

My solution to this is I drink ice water all day and all night out of a Yeti Tumbler that has a clear plastic lid that allows the water to escape and not the ice.  If it was socially acceptable to do so, I'd be happy to tote this Yeti everywhere I go (which I basically already do) and hand it to waitresses, etc to fill up with water and ice instead of receiving  an open-top glass from the restaurant.  Or leave me a pitcher on the table and I'll refill my own drinking container.  Seems like a win/win to everyone, but I've gotten the stink eye in plenty of food courts and gas stations for filling mine up with ice and water from their fountain drink dispenser, even though they'd be happy to give me a cup so I could do the same with a single-use cup instead of my durable metal one.  I don't get it. 

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2018, 02:03:50 PM »
Why is it so important to have ice in your drink?  Does the drink not come out of the fountain or whatever pretty cold already?

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2018, 02:06:24 PM »
Why is it so important to have ice in your drink?  Does the drink not come out of the fountain or whatever pretty cold already?

I only drink water (through a straw, beer etc is different), and no, often water is not very cold unless served with ice.  And I like my water ice cold.  And it will be usually served with ice by default anyways. 

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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2018, 04:32:40 PM »
Why is it so important to have ice in your drink?  Does the drink not come out of the fountain or whatever pretty cold already?

I only drink water (through a straw, beer etc is different), and no, often water is not very cold unless served with ice.  And I like my water ice cold.  And it will be usually served with ice by default anyways.

Just throwing this out there for your edification, but cold water can negatively impact your body's ability to digest food. If you've got gut problems, keep drinking water, but try ditching the ice and refrigeration.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2018, 05:00:40 PM »
Lol, all of this outrage about straws.

Meanwhile, the billion dollar plastic water bottle industry goes unscathed. Lol.

But really folks, stop using plastic fucking water bottles please.

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« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2018, 05:15:32 PM »
Lol, all of this outrage about straws.

Meanwhile, the billion dollar plastic water bottle industry goes unscathed. Lol.

But really folks, stop using plastic fucking water bottles please.

Well, of course. Because Nestle, Pepsi, etc. make a freaking fortune off of bottling TAP WATER and selling it.

There will never be a serious movement to stop this.

It's freaking sickening.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2018, 08:18:50 PM »
Lol, all of this outrage about straws.

Meanwhile, the billion dollar plastic water bottle industry goes unscathed. Lol.

But really folks, stop using plastic fucking water bottles please.

Seriously?  An entire cottage industry has sprung up to replace single use plastic bottles.

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-water-bottle/

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2018, 09:04:15 PM »
Lol, all of this outrage about straws.

Meanwhile, the billion dollar plastic water bottle industry goes unscathed. Lol.

But really folks, stop using plastic fucking water bottles please.

Well, of course. Because Nestle, Pepsi, etc. make a freaking fortune off of bottling TAP WATER and selling it.

There will never be a serious movement to stop this.

It's freaking sickening.
And they lobby to keep it just that way.

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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2018, 12:32:27 AM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2018, 03:14:06 AM »
Lol, all of this outrage about straws.

Meanwhile, the billion dollar plastic water bottle industry goes unscathed. Lol.

But really folks, stop using plastic fucking water bottles please.

Well, of course. Because Nestle, Pepsi, etc. make a freaking fortune off of bottling TAP WATER and selling it.

There will never be a serious movement to stop this.

It's freaking sickening.
And they lobby to keep it just that way.

Bottled water was handed out at the last fun run I participated in. Swear to god I saw 2 people grabbing bottles, tipping out the water and then hi-five-ing each other that they'll make 10c a bottle at the recycling deposit centre.

Funny if it wasn't so serious.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2018, 08:19:11 AM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...
Hey, Costco has to keep the prices of everything else low somehow!  Every time I go in there I am amazed at the proportion of shoppers that have a water bottle case on their cart (or those who get the orange cart solely to load up big time on water bottle cases).

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« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2018, 08:29:49 AM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...

I don't know that many people buy bottled water because it's better than tap, I think they buy it because it's convenient when they're out and about.  I agree that buying bottles to drink at home is dumb, and even when heading out I usually fill up a reusable cup and bring it with, but there are plenty of times when I'm out and about and need a drink, so I buy a bottled water.  It's usually that or warm water from a scuzzy water fountain, no thanks.  And honestly, the only reason I am really able to carry around a giant Yeti full of water all the time when walking around is because we have young kids and therefore use a stroller with built in cupholders.  Otherwise I don't want to be stuck carrying the thing all day, especially if I'm going somewhere I would have to put it down (say, the mall, or a park or something). 

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2018, 08:43:52 AM »
Why is it so important to have ice in your drink?  Does the drink not come out of the fountain or whatever pretty cold already?

I only drink water (through a straw, beer etc is different), and no, often water is not very cold unless served with ice.  And I like my water ice cold.  And it will be usually served with ice by default anyways.

Just throwing this out there for your edification, but cold water can negatively impact your body's ability to digest food. If you've got gut problems, keep drinking water, but try ditching the ice and refrigeration.

Second this. Wish it was normal in the US to just get water. Have to ask for no ice each time. Unsure where in nature you would find freezing water to consume so frequently.

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« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2018, 10:48:27 AM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...

I don't know that many people buy bottled water because it's better than tap, I think they buy it because it's convenient when they're out and about.  I agree that buying bottles to drink at home is dumb, and even when heading out I usually fill up a reusable cup and bring it with, but there are plenty of times when I'm out and about and need a drink, so I buy a bottled water.  It's usually that or warm water from a scuzzy water fountain, no thanks.  And honestly, the only reason I am really able to carry around a giant Yeti full of water all the time when walking around is because we have young kids and therefore use a stroller with built in cupholders.  Otherwise I don't want to be stuck carrying the thing all day, especially if I'm going somewhere I would have to put it down (say, the mall, or a park or something).

Yes, you put it better, but that was mostly the point I was making. No one’s going to ban water bottles because pretty much everyone uses them (we also buy them at times there is nothing better available, although I don’t really care about drinking fountain fill ups if I can find it!). People who buy those giant cases of single serve just to drink every day, though....ugh.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2018, 02:33:00 PM »
Why is it so important to have ice in your drink?  Does the drink not come out of the fountain or whatever pretty cold already?

OMG.  It's the ghost of my dead father come back to haunt me!

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« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2018, 06:33:22 PM »
I struggle with this one. There are undeniably bigger fish to fry in the unnecessary single-use plastic world (grocery bags, plastic bottles, etc.), but isn’t this ultimately a small step in the right direction?

Where my opinion matters, I doing what I can to turn the conversation from straws to a wide variety of single use products by encouraging travel mugs and water bottles all around. 

Needles and feces in the streets is a distractor. Those are not a matter of daily choices of functioning citizens, but rather much deeper society issues that need to be addressed separately. Ironically, in my social circles the same.people who complain about bag and straw bans whine about why can't the problem people just go somewhere else. So, basically, they don't want to fix either problem.

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Re: Straws are now evil?
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2018, 05:53:50 AM »
Since we are discussing single use plastics, anyone else find the ridiculous amount of plastic packaging for toys and such utterly fucking stupid? And don't get me started on the Styrofoam.

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« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2018, 03:31:34 AM »
Since we are discussing single use plastics, anyone else find the ridiculous amount of plastic packaging for toys and such utterly fucking stupid? And don't get me started on the Styrofoam.

Especially since so many things that are glamor packaged (thinking toys) get purchased online so it doesn't matter how they look on the shelf.

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« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2018, 04:32:30 PM »
Very weird. Straws are evil, but the streets littered with used needles and feces are ok.

Who says streets littered with used needles and feces are ok?

Seattle, evidently.  Because they're OK with that, but straws?  Well now.

And, while you're there, don't bike.  Because unless you've got a well secured bike cage, your bike will not last on the streets.  You'll come back to it either missing entirely, or a bare frame stripped of everything.  Because, apparently, enterprising meth-heads are a growth industry, and somehow manage to make stolen bike parts into enough to support their habit.

They then mix and match parts, sell them, or ship them overseas, or... something.

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« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2018, 05:51:56 PM »


-SNIP-

They then mix and match parts, sell them, or ship them overseas, or... something.

Stolen Bicycles in Seattle

https://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2014/10/1/this-is-what-happens-to-your-bike-after-its-stolen-october-2014

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« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2018, 06:49:01 PM »
Thanks, that was a good read.

When half of bike owners in an area report having a bicycle stolen, you can safely assume "there's a problem."  When people are literally sawing apart bike racks to steal bikes, "there's a problem."  I heard that at one company in Seattle, with a locked bike cage in the private parking garage, bikes went missing.  Apparently "having a chainlink fence around the cage" wasn't enough - you needed to secure all the links to the concrete at the bottom and top, or thieves would walk into the garage, worm through the top or bottom of the fence, grab a bike, and exit with it (I guess cards weren't required to exit, only enter).  It's pretty well absurd.  Of course, the police don't care, so why shouldn't you steal someone's bike and trade it for $50 of meth?

Seattle has a lot of problems.  But, apparently, not straws now.

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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2018, 10:46:30 AM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...
Hey, Costco has to keep the prices of everything else low somehow!  Every time I go in there I am amazed at the proportion of shoppers that have a water bottle case on their cart (or those who get the orange cart solely to load up big time on water bottle cases).

Here in Arizona there are drives for bottled water during the hotter months to hand out to the homeless, and this year's goal is 500,000 bottles.   I don't want to see people suffer with dehydration or heat stroke, but surely there's a better solution than a half million plastic bottles every year?

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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2018, 12:18:05 PM »
Banning water selling is a while lot more of a nonstarter than an unnecessary straw. But, yeah, there has been a major push to get people to use reusable bottles for forever. Too may people keep buying the tap water, though, despite all the education...
Hey, Costco has to keep the prices of everything else low somehow!  Every time I go in there I am amazed at the proportion of shoppers that have a water bottle case on their cart (or those who get the orange cart solely to load up big time on water bottle cases).

Here in Arizona there are drives for bottled water during the hotter months to hand out to the homeless, and this year's goal is 500,000 bottles.   I don't want to see people suffer with dehydration or heat stroke, but surely there's a better solution than a half million plastic bottles every year?

Couldn't they just install public water fountains?

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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2018, 04:24:39 PM »
If they had done something about the bike problem, I guarantee people would whine about it. Or the needle clean up because I’m sure there would be something negative to complain about. Because we don’t seem to know how to applaud any kind of change, because there’s always something else. I mean, hell, they are finally working to change how easy it is to get opioids and there are still plenty of people whining about that. It seems the new national pastime is whining, not change. Yay, America.