Not one Liberal had an issue with Obama's very unilateral drone strike program.
This one had a problem with it. There were plenty of other Liberals who had a problem with it. Where are you getting your information on "Liberals"?
It's much easier to argue a straw-man than facts. Notice they subsequently compounded more straw-men arguments on top of this one. You can't have a fair, balanced and reasonable discussion when this happens. Integrity is just some fancy word.
Ok, I should have clarified that not one Liberal here had a large enough issue to address it. The post count against President Trump Russian collusion is very high but previous to my mention there was only one mere mention of "Drone" on the entire forum. Point was is President Trump attacked several countries with several Drone strikes, the Liberal outrage would be enough to drive people to comment on the forums in protest. If Obama strikes several countries, unchecked to boot, with drone strikes, nobody makes a peep. That was my point, and that is how I derived my information. Even the "Russian" Thread was started post-Trump. I cant find any outrage here towards Obama for the Syrian Chemical weapons and invasion of the Ukraine by Russia. We post on what we think is important, we find different things important and that is ok. I think "integrity" is more compromised by the childish name calling, but again, to each their own.
This thread isn't about Obama and several folks have come out to point out your false accusation thus making your subsequently claim invalid still. You are just further proving my point. You can even ask who had a problem with it. I realize that doesn't fit your preconceived conclusion about "all" liberals though.
Well I apologize for being unsuccessful in finding the Drone and Chemical Weapons discussions and am pleased to know that you also took issue with them. I will continue to focus on what I think will be a positive Presidential term and relevant speculations based on current events. I realize I am against the grain here and will discuss things I have read, heard and interpreted. I am fine being wrong sometimes. I don't look to hold only company that I agree with and I do like that most of you debate on a very rational and educated basis. Cheers!
I'm not 100% positive that looking on a forum that is primarily about personal finance/early retirement is the best place to find posts about what "all liberals" think about Obama's use of drones.
If you'd wanted to know what the liberals who frequent this forum and actually read the Off Topic section think about it, though... you could ask?
I found one example of a self-described "liberal" complaining about the continued drone strikes during Obama's administration:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/mustachianism-as-libertarian-or-progressive-or-a-little-of-both/It seems political discussion in this forum did not really take off until Trump's candidacy, though I think there are likely multiple factors involved, including but not limited to the growth of this forum and the overall increased divisiveness and media polarization online and on TV.
As someone who voted for Obama both times but was especially upset with his continued use of drones and general continuation of Bush-era military and surveillance policies, I find it hard to follow the argument that if "liberals" weren't mad when Obama didn't invade Syria, they shouldn't be mad when Trump doesn't. Trump hasn't taken action to get Russia out of Crimea (quite the opposite, actually) so how is that a ding against Obama?
I try to take a consistent position, based on the information available to me, guided by the principles and values I hold dear. This means that when Russia invaded Crimea, I wanted to see action taken by Obama. However, because I have seen the outcome of our "permanent war" I did not want to see deployment of troops -- especially directly against Russia, as I am not eager for WWIII. So a reasonable action seemed to be a diplomatic one, something like sanctions and expulsion from the G8. I felt like the actions Obama took then were reasonable, given the options available to him. Would "conservatives" have supported an invasion of Crimea? I hope not many.
I find drone strikes to be troubling even when used against known bad actors, because of the way they allow us to kill without having to face the enemy. In this regard at least they are more precise than carpet bombing, so given a choice between two bad options I'll take them. I'd prefer we find a way to stop killing folks who don't like us, and work on changing their minds instead.
BTW, I put scarequotes around "liberal" and "conservative" because the usage does not cohere with their dictionary definitions. The opposite of liberal should be constrained or authoritarian, since liberal=free. Likewise, conservative should be cautious or hesitant, but that does not describe the behavior or policies that I have seen from self-described "conservatives." I'm just trying to communicate clearly.