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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #950 on: January 13, 2018, 12:01:28 AM »
Sometime I wonder what is the lowest point, and I am still surprised (I shouldn't) that the president manage to invent the new bottom...


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« Reply #951 on: January 13, 2018, 12:33:45 AM »
What is scary is that those that you would want to remain in political positions (those with an independent perspective) are leaving in droves.  I also wonder about this with FI-ER.  Sure, the workplace should treat us better, but what is left for the next generation if all of those that can stand up for others just decide we'd rather pack up and leave it for the new hires to suffer through?  'Not our problem' will eventually become a problem.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #952 on: January 13, 2018, 03:52:12 AM »
Trump is the best US President the rest of the world has had since WWII. Awful for the USA, but that's not our problem, thank god.


I mean, if Hilary had wanted Australia, for example, to follow the US into war in Korea, or further deregulate everything, or further free our own trade while the US kept up its own barriers, or give up on climate and human rights treaties, we'd do it. But Trump? Not even our politicians will dare follow him. Hilary was malicious and smart, Trump is malicious and dumb. That's much safer.


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« Reply #953 on: January 13, 2018, 09:51:23 AM »
i think there might, just might, be a pattern emerging. See also interrupting a meeting to ask why the woman of asian descent was reporting on Pakistan instead of Korea. *facepalm*
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/12/16885546/trump-asian-american-intelligence-briefing
I enjoyed that. Occasionally, there is a refreshing, naive, child-like sincerity to Trump. (Yes, it also has the bad qualities pointed out in the article but let's celebrate Trump's ability, even when not intentionally doing so, to pack so many insulting ideas into such a brief statement; Trumpisms > Shakespearean insults)

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« Reply #954 on: January 13, 2018, 10:19:10 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678

A married reality tv star had sex with a porn star?  The hell you say?

This part does not surprise me at all.  Paying the porn start $130k in hush money to not talk about it doesn't surprise me either, except that it's an unusually steep price tag for a hooker. 

The only surprising part of this is that the serial philanderer television celebrity then went on to become President of the United States.  Everyone who voted for him already knew he was a disgusting human being.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he also cheated on his third wife, just like he has already admitted to cheating on his first wife and his second wife.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he tried to buy off his side-piece to maintain her silence during the election.

At this point, I don't think anything can possibly erode his support any further.  75% of the country already thinks he's gross.  The other 25% loves this sort of thing, and thinks it's pretty awesome that their leader is insulting shithole countries while banging porn stars.
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« Reply #955 on: January 13, 2018, 10:58:02 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678

A married reality tv star had sex with a porn star?  The hell you say?

This part does not surprise me at all.  Paying the porn start $130k in hush money to not talk about it doesn't surprise me either, except that it's an unusually steep price tag for a hooker. 

The only surprising part of this is that the serial philanderer television celebrity then went on to become President of the United States.  Everyone who voted for him already knew he was a disgusting human being.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he also cheated on his third wife, just like he has already admitted to cheating on his first wife and his second wife.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he tried to buy off his side-piece to maintain her silence during the election.

At this point, I don't think anything can possibly erode his support any further. 75% of the country already thinks he's gross.  The other 25% loves this sort of thing, and thinks it's pretty awesome that their leader is insulting shithole countries while banging porn stars.

Nope his support has pretty much leveled off. He is at the point where those left supporting him are the very folks he said would still support him if he murdered someone. Probably the most honest thing he has ever said.

On the bright side, this might be one of those rare cases where someone who provided a service to Trump didn't sue him for non payment.

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« Reply #956 on: January 13, 2018, 11:08:26 AM »
75% of the country already thinks he's gross.
Perhaps true.  But a significant fraction of those support many of the policies being enacted by this administration.  Not unlike many who thought Bill Clinton's actions with an intern were personally reprehensible, but supported many of the policies being enacted by his administration.

Not apologizing for either Trump or Clinton.  Just observing that both the right and the left have viewed the policies and the personal behaviors of "their" presidents with different yardsticks.  Of course, Republicans detested both Clinton and his policies while Democrats detest both Trump and his policies.

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« Reply #957 on: January 13, 2018, 01:00:02 PM »
At what point does Melania sod off back to Manhattan with Baron in tow, leaving behind only a set of divorce papers?
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« Reply #958 on: January 13, 2018, 03:09:24 PM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

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« Reply #959 on: January 13, 2018, 03:36:35 PM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

Please provide a link!  Obama (Oprah, Neil etc.) can be such a breath of life on the fire of greatness Humanity offers, vs. the slow smothering by our narcissistic, insecure, inadequate President.
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« Reply #960 on: January 13, 2018, 05:17:03 PM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

Please provide a link!  Obama (Oprah, Neil etc.) can be such a breath of life on the fire of greatness Humanity offers, vs. the slow smothering by our narcissistic, insecure, inadequate President.

Itís on Netflix.

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« Reply #961 on: January 13, 2018, 05:58:54 PM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

Please provide a link!  Obama (Oprah, Neil etc.) can be such a breath of life on the fire of greatness Humanity offers, vs. the slow smothering by our narcissistic, insecure, inadequate President.

Itís on Netflix.
^ This. I didn't catch the full interview but caught most of it. It was fantastic. Just makes me respect him so much more.

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« Reply #962 on: January 13, 2018, 07:33:39 PM »
At what point does Melania sod off back to Manhattan with Baron in tow, leaving behind only a set of divorce papers?

I suspect Donnie Moscow could make her life a living hell if she did such a thing.

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« Reply #963 on: January 14, 2018, 12:11:32 AM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

Please provide a link!  Obama (Oprah, Neil etc.) can be such a breath of life on the fire of greatness Humanity offers, vs. the slow smothering by our narcissistic, insecure, inadequate President.

Itís on Netflix.
^ This. I didn't catch the full interview but caught most of it. It was fantastic. Just makes me respect him so much more.

I just watched it tonight and it reminded me how presidential Obama was...truly an amazing man.

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« Reply #964 on: January 14, 2018, 07:13:08 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678

A married reality tv star had sex with a porn star?  The hell you say?

This part does not surprise me at all.  Paying the porn start $130k in hush money to not talk about it doesn't surprise me either, except that it's an unusually steep price tag for a hooker. 

The only surprising part of this is that the serial philanderer television celebrity then went on to become President of the United States.  Everyone who voted for him already knew he was a disgusting human being.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he also cheated on his third wife, just like he has already admitted to cheating on his first wife and his second wife.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he tried to buy off his side-piece to maintain her silence during the election.

At this point, I don't think anything can possibly erode his support any further. 75% of the country already thinks he's gross.  The other 25% loves this sort of thing, and thinks it's pretty awesome that their leader is insulting shithole countries while banging porn stars.

Nope his support has pretty much leveled off. He is at the point where those left supporting him are the very folks he said would still support him if he murdered someone. Probably the most honest thing he has ever said.

On the bright side, this might be one of those rare cases where someone who provided a service to Trump didn't sue him for non payment.

I don't fully understand it (or the pee tape rumors). I mean, it's not even the worst thing he's been accused of, so why all the cover-up? Does anyone think sex with a porn actor is implausible? And beyond that, who cares?
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #965 on: January 14, 2018, 07:29:22 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678

A married reality tv star had sex with a porn star?  The hell you say?

This part does not surprise me at all.  Paying the porn start $130k in hush money to not talk about it doesn't surprise me either, except that it's an unusually steep price tag for a hooker. 

The only surprising part of this is that the serial philanderer television celebrity then went on to become President of the United States.  Everyone who voted for him already knew he was a disgusting human being.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he also cheated on his third wife, just like he has already admitted to cheating on his first wife and his second wife.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he tried to buy off his side-piece to maintain her silence during the election.

At this point, I don't think anything can possibly erode his support any further. 75% of the country already thinks he's gross.  The other 25% loves this sort of thing, and thinks it's pretty awesome that their leader is insulting shithole countries while banging porn stars.

Nope his support has pretty much leveled off. He is at the point where those left supporting him are the very folks he said would still support him if he murdered someone. Probably the most honest thing he has ever said.

On the bright side, this might be one of those rare cases where someone who provided a service to Trump didn't sue him for non payment.

I don't fully understand it (or the pee tape rumors). I mean, it's not even the worst thing he's been accused of, so why all the cover-up? Does anyone think sex with a porn actor is implausible? And beyond that, who cares?

I think that the president cares.

He likes to control what aspects of the world are shown to him and dismiss anything that conflicts with his pre-determined reality.  His regular approach to being caught in a lie is to simply deny that the lie happened until the problem goes away.  Although he's probably dimly aware of his actions choosing to be peed on by prostitutes, and paying for sex from porn stars while married, it's something that is tittilating enough that it wouldn't quickly fade away from public scrutiny.  He might have to deny solid evidence of his own behaviour for a long time, and this would be an upset to the web of lies that he bases his whole self worth upon.

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« Reply #966 on: January 14, 2018, 08:44:06 AM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

Yes, Obama speaks eloquently and intelligently. It is a breath of fresh air to listen to someone who can string two sentences together that make sense on an intellectual level and not an ignorant buffoon shouting stupid phrases...who's going to pay for the wall? Fake news, lock her up, Pocahontas, sloppy Steve. UGH, like a rotten, spoiled brat bully. What a fool and what an embarrassment to the USA.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #967 on: January 14, 2018, 09:18:47 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678

A married reality tv star had sex with a porn star?  The hell you say?

This part does not surprise me at all.  Paying the porn start $130k in hush money to not talk about it doesn't surprise me either, except that it's an unusually steep price tag for a hooker. 

The only surprising part of this is that the serial philanderer television celebrity then went on to become President of the United States.  Everyone who voted for him already knew he was a disgusting human being.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he also cheated on his third wife, just like he has already admitted to cheating on his first wife and his second wife.  They can't possibly be shocked to find out that he tried to buy off his side-piece to maintain her silence during the election.

At this point, I don't think anything can possibly erode his support any further. 75% of the country already thinks he's gross.  The other 25% loves this sort of thing, and thinks it's pretty awesome that their leader is insulting shithole countries while banging porn stars.

Nope his support has pretty much leveled off. He is at the point where those left supporting him are the very folks he said would still support him if he murdered someone. Probably the most honest thing he has ever said.

On the bright side, this might be one of those rare cases where someone who provided a service to Trump didn't sue him for non payment.

I don't fully understand it (or the pee tape rumors). I mean, it's not even the worst thing he's been accused of, so why all the cover-up? Does anyone think sex with a porn actor is implausible? And beyond that, who cares?
I would bet that a subset of his supporters think all of the sexual abuse allegations against him are made up because he is rich/famous.  The continued drip of information would eventually convince a few to either vote against him or just stay home.  Combine that with his narrow margin of victory in a few states and it could have changed the outcome.

That being said, it still blows my mind the amount of support a 3x married serial philanderer has inside the religious community and I really don't know what a GOP candidate has to do to break that.

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« Reply #968 on: January 14, 2018, 10:30:16 AM »
That being said, it still blows my mind the amount of support a 3x married serial philanderer has inside the religious community and I really don't know what a GOP candidate has to do to break that.
They would have to be in favour of a woman's right to control what happens to her own body, that would do it.  Otherwise, not a thing up to and including nuclear war.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #969 on: January 14, 2018, 11:01:50 AM »
I don't fully understand it (or the pee tape rumors).

Just to be clear, Donald Trump cheating on Melania with a porn star is not a rumor.  That happened.  There has been no attempt at a denial.  Nobody is disputing the facts in this case.  He had sex with a professional adult film actress approximately 12 months after marrying his third wife, then during this election paid her $130k to keep quiet about it.

The pee tape is a rumor.  We know that Donald Trump stayed in a Russian hotel room that the Obamas stayed in.  We know that there were pretty young women present.  The story that these pretty young women were prostitutes that Trump asked to pee on the Obama's mattress was retold by someone present, but not corroborated by anyone else.  Without two credible sources, the peeing part is just a rumor.

Donald Trump cheating on Melania with a porn star has been confirmed by multiple parties, and not denied by anyone.  Not a rumor.  Know the difference. 

Not that it will matter.  Born-agains and evangelicals will still vote for him, because they think he's read the bible.  His behavior doesn't really matter to the few Americans who still support him at this point.  He's cheated on all three of his wives, but they think he's the moral choice to lead America.  I know, it confuses me too.

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« Reply #970 on: January 14, 2018, 02:25:53 PM »
Did anyone else listen to the audio of Trump talking about his relationship with Kim Jong-Un?   here's a linky:

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/wall-street-journal-trump-quote-good-relationship-kim-jong-un/2018/01/14/id/837062/

I think the wall street journal may have it wrong - although it's very hard to hear the 'd' sound in their clip.  ("I probably have a very good relationship" versus "I'd probably have a very good relationship")

Of course it begs the question, *why* should the prez have a very good relationship with Kim.
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« Reply #971 on: January 14, 2018, 02:29:50 PM »
Of course it begs the question, *why* should the prez have a very good relationship with Kim.

Maybe Kim LIKES being called "Little Rocket Man"?  That seems like an affectionate term of endearment coming from Trump, right?  The kind of thing that definitely suggests "a very good relationship"?
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« Reply #972 on: January 14, 2018, 05:43:26 PM »
Donald Trump cheating on Melania with a porn star has been confirmed by multiple parties, and not denied by anyone.  Not a rumor.  Know the difference. 

Dude, it's all good. I know the difference. I was just calling the pee tape a rumor, since it was a rumor. The larger point being why spend all this time/money/effort concealing sex-related things when everybody knows he does all sorts of sex-related things with people who aren't his wife? It just seems nuts.
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« Reply #973 on: January 14, 2018, 06:42:59 PM »
Not that it will matter.  Born-agains and evangelicals will still vote for him, because they think he's read the bible.  His behavior doesn't really matter to the few Americans who still support him at this point.  He's cheated on all three of his wives, but they think he's the moral choice to lead America.  I know, it confuses me too.

It's not that Trump is particularly religious. It's just that he isn't a feminist, pro-choice, Democrat. The evanlegical's first choice probably would've been Cruz but he was such an obvious ass, and Trump such a showman, that Trump stole the show.

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« Reply #975 on: January 14, 2018, 08:01:15 PM »
He's so effing stupid.
Nonsense! 4 dimensional chess! He has the best ideas, the best strategy, he's, like, really smart.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #976 on: January 15, 2018, 08:10:49 AM »
TRUMP 2020 - the President the rest of the world wants the USA to have!

[[Citation needed]]

With the exception of Russia (and maybe China), I don't think that most of the world is really pulling for him.

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« Reply #977 on: January 15, 2018, 08:12:55 AM »
How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

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« Reply #978 on: January 15, 2018, 09:33:22 AM »
How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

Holding out for the prenup to expire.

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« Reply #979 on: January 15, 2018, 09:40:18 AM »
How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

She had to know going in that he would not be faithful.  He's never been faithful to anyone, according to his own accounts given to Howard Stern over the years.

And as an aside, I really think Howard Stern let America down on this one.  He had hundreds of hours of candid conversation with Donald Trump over the past decade, he knew exactly what has going to happen, and he didn't even try to warn anyone.
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« Reply #980 on: January 15, 2018, 09:51:08 AM »
How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

She had to know going in that he would not be faithful.  He's never been faithful to anyone, according to his own accounts given to Howard Stern over the years.

And as an aside, I really think Howard Stern let America down on this one.  He had hundreds of hours of candid conversation with Donald Trump over the past decade, he knew exactly what has going to happen, and he didn't even try to warn anyone.

Eh, anyone with a brain knew what was going to happen, and a good chunk of them just didnít care.  There were PLENTY of warnings.

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« Reply #981 on: January 15, 2018, 10:02:32 AM »
because howard is running against him in 2020

How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

She had to know going in that he would not be faithful.  He's never been faithful to anyone, according to his own accounts given to Howard Stern over the years.

And as an aside, I really think Howard Stern let America down on this one.  He had hundreds of hours of candid conversation with Donald Trump over the past decade, he knew exactly what has going to happen, and he didn't even try to warn anyone.

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« Reply #982 on: January 15, 2018, 11:21:38 AM »
Off topic but did anyone catch the David Letterman interview with Barack Obama? Man it's been a long time since I heard an actual President speak intelligently and intelligibly.

It was so good.  He was thoughtful and funny and direct.  Like always. 

I worried about stuff when he was president, of course.  But not like this.  I didn't feel like I had to be watching all the time.  I miss that terribly.

Also, he tells a story about the mundane details of setting Malia up at college.  I cried a lot.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #983 on: January 15, 2018, 11:10:04 PM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #984 on: January 16, 2018, 01:12:12 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #985 on: January 16, 2018, 07:45:06 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #986 on: January 16, 2018, 07:57:23 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

Mexico, because if they refuse US citizens, whatever remains of the US nuclear arsenal is going to nuke THEM, too.

Of course, when you are talking about a possibly decade-long nuclear winter, who the hell cares? Most of the survivors are going to die, too.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #987 on: January 16, 2018, 08:12:31 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

Haiti?

Nah.  I have it on very good authority (the best, really) that they've all got AIDS.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #988 on: January 16, 2018, 11:04:24 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

Haiti?

Nah.  I have it on very good authority (the best, really) that they've all got AIDS.

I'd only trust that claim if it was from the least racist person.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #989 on: January 16, 2018, 11:32:48 AM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

Fortunately the rest of the world is pretty understanding of the fact that the majority of Americans do not support Trump, especially if we show up and say we never supported him and are finally fleeing his crap forever, whatever it takes.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #990 on: January 16, 2018, 12:15:23 PM »
It's going to be pretty depressing when America gets nuked unexpectedly while Trump is vacationing.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html

Maybe I should leapfrog this whole 'America is better than this' attitude and start to figure out if I'd prefer to expatriate or build a bunker.  I definitely plan to take longer vacations outside the US in the coming years, and have plans to go on a moment's notice.  I live in a hurricane state, it's become second nature to abandon everything and run!  I just never thought it would be my home country that I'd be leaving.
Where in the world do you think USA citizens will be welcome after the nukes start flying?

Fortunately the rest of the world is pretty understanding of the fact that the majority of Americans do not support Trump, especially if we show up and say we never supported him and are finally fleeing his crap forever, whatever it takes.

Sounds like the rest of the world might need to build walls to keep all those American refugees out and then charge the US for them.  It's not like the US will be sending their best.  They'll be sending people that have lots of problems, and they'll be bringing those problems to us. They'll be bringing drugs. They'll be bringing crime. They're rapists. And some (I assume) are good people.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #991 on: January 18, 2018, 05:22:09 PM »
If they're not hanging out with Russians, they have a problem with non-whites and non-Xians and gays and veterans with PTSD (!). Oh, and they're pro-shooting people who come across the border.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/kfile-carl-higbie-on-the-radio/index.html

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Well, yeah, most Muslims believe that to have sex with men is OK, which I don't like it all. But second off, it's the ideology of a child molester. The ideology of a Muslim is what I don't like. They are screwed up in the head and it makes, pisses me off.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #992 on: January 19, 2018, 12:39:44 AM »
Yup, the longer this goes on, the more the rest of the world will begin to stereotype Americans as all homophobic, xenophobic, everything-other than European-phobic racists.  It's depressing how Euro-radicalized the U.S. suddenly seems compared to my daily life in Houston, which is still a 'normal' melting pot of more foreigners than Anglo-Saxons, by an overwhelming plurality.  And I don't foresee this ever changing (nor would I ever want it to)!
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #993 on: January 19, 2018, 12:57:29 AM »
And when I see a story like this https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/18/analysis-why-latest-allegations-trump-affair-unlikely-hurt-tabloid-president/1044564001/ then I know America is owned by the rich and connected.

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  Pretty much a deal-breaker with any woman I know.  But it's Trump, right, our President does this all the time...
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #994 on: January 19, 2018, 03:34:05 AM »
How on earth does Melania stay with Donny?

Holding out for the prenup to expire.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #995 on: January 19, 2018, 04:28:08 AM »
There isn't enough money to be had to stay with Donny, UGH!

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #996 on: January 19, 2018, 04:46:08 AM »
There isn't enough money to be had to stay with Donny, UGH!

Some people has different standard than you and me. For her, it is enough :)


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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #998 on: January 20, 2018, 03:57:23 AM »
Donald Trump: the wrong sort of dealmaker

Donald Trumpís lifetime of deal making has been a single industry: real estate.  The shutdown is proving that his is the wrong sort of deal making for government.  There are two main issues: his word is not his bond, and he canít walk away.

In real estate, nothing counts until words are on paper, signed and dated.  Anything said before that is largely irrelevant, which means that pretty much anything can be said.  So Trump is used to be able to say anything in person and it not counting against him.  He is so used to this that he has forgotten to care what he says, which is why it is so often contradictory and frequently outrageous.  It just doesnít matter to him, because he canít be held to it.   Only the words on the paper matter, and once they are on the paper the deal is whatís on that paper and the rest is irrelevant.

Itís different in politics.  In politics the deal making is all about what people say and how they say it.  The words on the paper are just a record of what has been agreed.  A complicated deal, such as the one currently in Congress, is a web of oral promises and attitudes, and the anchor points of the web is the trust the politicians place in each other.  No-one can trust what Trump says, so there can be no web and no deal.

Trumpís second learned behaviour from his lifetime of real estate deal making is this: in real estate he can always walk away from the deal.  Sometimes this is about looking for an opportunity but turning it down (or being turned down).  Sometimes itís about walking away when the deal goes sour, as with his multiple bankruptcies.  Sometimes itís just about seeing the chance that you wonít be forced to keep to your word, as in his multiple failures to pay contractors.  In Trumpworld there is always a way out, always the opportunity to walk away.

In government there is no opportunity to walk away.  Taxes have to be collected, debts have to be paid, expenditure has to be funded, laws have to be obeyed.  If the deal isnít done it leaves a black hole in the workings of the State.

Trump doesn't have the wherewithal to make deals in government, because his word can't be trusted and he can't cope with not being able to walk away when he doesn't like the deal on offer.  The only answer is that Congress needs to take back its power.  It needs to make a deal without Trump and put the legislation on his desk.  Then just wait for him to sign it.   
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #999 on: January 26, 2018, 07:19:52 AM »
So apparently Trump tried to fire Mueller in June but the WH lawyer threatened to quit if he did.

Melania quit the Davos trip to visit the Holocaust museum and then go to Florida.

Question: would she leave Trump? Does he have her all tied up with pre-nups? (Like she loses access to their son if she does). How long until the recent #MeToo movement or similar decides that she is a trapped woman and runs with that theme for a while?