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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #750 on: November 10, 2017, 07:03:55 PM »
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

So you're suggesting that Moore might still win because people have deeply held political beliefs that can't be shaken?
That would be an obvious symptom, I guess (without reading between your line).

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« Reply #751 on: November 10, 2017, 07:12:17 PM »
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

So you're suggesting that Moore might still win because people have deeply held political beliefs that can't be shaken?
That would be an obvious symptom, I guess (without reading between your line).

I agree. He's got to lose almost 5 points. Some voters aren't paying attention, some won't believe the accusations, and some hate the Democrats enough to swallow their disgust. He already won the Primary and that's with his baggage of getting kicked off the bench twice (both times by his fellow Republican judges). If there's enough FUD from Moore, he'll squeak by and join Cruz in a corner.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #752 on: November 10, 2017, 07:20:28 PM »
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

So you're suggesting that Moore might still win because people have deeply held political beliefs that can't be shaken?
That would be an obvious symptom, I guess (without reading between your line).

I agree. He's got to lose almost 5 points. Some voters aren't paying attention, some won't believe the accusations, and some hate the Democrats enough to swallow their disgust. He already won the Primary and that's with his baggage of getting kicked off the bench twice (both times by his fellow Republican judges). If there's enough FUD from Moore, he'll squeak by and join Cruz in a corner.
538 had a good article about this today (here). I think they mention an estimated net 13 point swing is plausible based on research, in which case, Moore is in trouble. Funny that a Strange write-in campaign might help the cause.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #753 on: November 10, 2017, 07:21:49 PM »
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

So you're suggesting that Moore might still win because people have deeply held political beliefs that can't be shaken?
That would be an obvious symptom, I guess (without reading between your line).

I agree. He's got to lose almost 5 points. Some voters aren't paying attention, some won't believe the accusations, and some hate the Democrats enough to swallow their disgust. He already won the Primary and that's with his baggage of getting kicked off the bench twice (both times by his fellow Republican judges). If there's enough FUD from Moore, he'll squeak by and join Cruz in a corner.

I hope every Republican running for office in the next four years gets asked about their position on sexual abuse of minors, and whether a 32 year old should be allowed to put a 14 year old's hands on his erect penis and still be elected Senator.

I think Alabama doesn't care if their senator is a pedophile, and they'll elect him anyway.  But the rest of the country sure as hell does care, and if the GOP has strayed so far from their family values beliefs that supporting pedos in the name of Building The Wall is a worthwhile exchange, then I would expect the democrats to absolutely hammer them on this issue for the next few election cycles.  This is one of those moments that absolutely defines a party in mind of the public, and right now the GOP is defining themselves as the party of serial sexual abusers.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #754 on: November 10, 2017, 07:47:41 PM »
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

So you're suggesting that Moore might still win because people have deeply held political beliefs that can't be shaken?
That would be an obvious symptom, I guess (without reading between your line).

I agree. He's got to lose almost 5 points. Some voters aren't paying attention, some won't believe the accusations, and some hate the Democrats enough to swallow their disgust. He already won the Primary and that's with his baggage of getting kicked off the bench twice (both times by his fellow Republican judges). If there's enough FUD from Moore, he'll squeak by and join Cruz in a corner.

I hope every Republican running for office in the next four years gets asked about their position on sexual abuse of minors, and whether a 32 year old should be allowed to put a 14 year old's hands on his erect penis and still be elected Senator.

I think Alabama doesn't care if their senator is a pedophile, and they'll elect him anyway.  But the rest of the country sure as hell does care, and if the GOP has strayed so far from their family values beliefs that supporting pedos in the name of Building The Wall is a worthwhile exchange, then I would expect the democrats to absolutely hammer them on this issue for the next few election cycles.  This is one of those moments that absolutely defines a party in mind of the public, and right now the GOP is defining themselves as the party of serial sexual abusers.
I usually agree with you, Sol, but how can you say the rest of the country will care about the allegations? 90%(?) of people outside of AL don't know who Moore is and never will, let alone the allegations against him. Look at POTUS. A work friend of mine who is very religious voted for Trump. Why? Because of her attitude towards SCOTUS on the issue of abortion. She's not an idiot either (she quoted Thomas Aquinas to me one day when I was feeling down) but the mental calculus involved in assessing politicians among the subset of individuals who do follow politics at all is often a bit more complex than: rape = bad = don't vote for him.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #755 on: November 10, 2017, 07:50:02 PM »
538 had a good article about this today (here). I think they mention an estimated net 13 point swing is plausible based on research, in which case, Moore is in trouble. Funny that a Strange write-in campaign might help the cause.

From that article, Jones wins the (Trump voting) independents right now because, presumably, they can't stomach Moore. If Strange can pull the R-leaning independents and skeptical evangelicals, he could pull off a write-in. It's ultimately a matter of getting out the R vote.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #756 on: November 11, 2017, 11:15:42 AM »

Once you realize political bias is a combination of environment and genetically inherited brain chemistry which you can overturn through greater detachment and rationality, the world becomes a much more amazing, open, beautiful place. I might sound like a jerk but when I read political debates on this site (which is far above average), most of the posts are not even wrong.

Eh-not a jerk. But waltzing into a political debate and telling the participants that, if only they'd be more rational (like, for example, you!), they'd have access to a more amazing world is more like a room-clearing fart.
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.
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Or, maybe the belief that you earnestly adhere to is that your detachment makes you superior to and more rational than those who debate political ideas.  It explains why your detachment is more performative than, say, someone like MMM who both preaches AND practices detachment.  I've also found that many who have found the religion of detachment right now find it to be a convenient excuse for not being called on the carpet for their Trump support.  Were you equally detached about Hillary's emails?  When those in your circle started talking about "lock her up", did you scold them about their biases and advise them to be detached, or do you save the scolding for those on the other side? 

I don't mean to change anyone's mind. I know that many people have entrenched beliefs.  But liberals have been silent for far too long, and it has allowed conservatives to fester in their own echo chamber to such a degree that they are now contorting  themselves to defend Roy Moore.  The result is that we have people in this very thread musing about whether it's really wrong for a 32 year old to try to "bang" a 14 year old girl.  Perhaps your energy and scolding might better be directed at those whose party identity and biases run so deep that they cannot condemn Roy Moore.


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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #757 on: November 12, 2017, 10:05:14 AM »

Once you realize political bias is a combination of environment and genetically inherited brain chemistry which you can overturn through greater detachment and rationality, the world becomes a much more amazing, open, beautiful place. I might sound like a jerk but when I read political debates on this site (which is far above average), most of the posts are not even wrong.

Eh-not a jerk. But waltzing into a political debate and telling the participants that, if only they'd be more rational (like, for example, you!), they'd have access to a more amazing world is more like a room-clearing fart.
Well maybe this is a room that deserves to be cleared (it already stank before I arrived anyway). I doubt there is any concise way to demonstrate how liberating oneself from ideological prison is wonderful so I'm probably wasting my time preaching detachment. But so is everyone else when they argue back and forth without ever changing their minds about anything, which seems to be the outcome of such discussions for 99.99% of participants.

I've been following this thread since the start; A Definite Beta Guy was right to call out here (or maybe the Russia thread which is very similar?) about the red-colored shed, and then I saw theoatmeal linked about parallel themes. But you're right, this is probably not the place to question the motivations of why people hold their particular political beliefs.

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Or, maybe the belief that you earnestly adhere to is that your detachment makes you superior to and more rational than those who debate political ideas.  It explains why your detachment is more performative than, say, someone like MMM who both preaches AND practices detachment.  I've also found that many who have found the religion of detachment right now find it to be a convenient excuse for not being called on the carpet for their Trump support.  Were you equally detached about Hillary's emails?  When those in your circle started talking about "lock her up", did you scold them about their biases and advise them to be detached, or do you save the scolding for those on the other side? 

I don't mean to change anyone's mind. I know that many people have entrenched beliefs.  But liberals have been silent for far too long, and it has allowed conservatives to fester in their own echo chamber to such a degree that they are now contorting  themselves to defend Roy Moore.  The result is that we have people in this very thread musing about whether it's really wrong for a 32 year old to try to "bang" a 14 year old girl.  Perhaps your energy and scolding might better be directed at those whose party identity and biases run so deep that they cannot condemn Roy Moore.
To clarify, I mean detachment in the sense of following the news cycle while considering issues from a more ideologically detached vantage point, rather than in the sense of a low-information diet, which I believe is MMM's approach. My point is it's both possible to be politically engaged and keep your beliefs subordinate to your intellect, rather than the other way around.

The Republican reaction to the Moore story is a symptom of the mistakes made on all sides (to be fair, retiring Republicans have been far more biting in their criticism than others in the party). It's in the environment of intense political polarization and tribal-warfare that people start excusing (alleged or verified) transgressions on the magnitude of Moore, Trump, and beyond. Sure, the red Midwest has its toxic talk-radio but the blue coasts have their assortment of smug media pundits as well. I don't think liberals have been silent at all but I do think they have been saying many of the wrong things (the ascendancy of Trump should be proof of that).

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #758 on: November 13, 2017, 11:15:54 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/politics/trump-judge-brett-talley-nomination.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

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Trump Judicial Pick Did Not Disclose He Is Married to a White House Lawyer

Uh, yeah, that's a total conflict of interest.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #759 on: November 13, 2017, 01:56:52 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-woman-accuses-roy-moore-sexual-assault-minor-202055321.html

Another woman accuses Roy Moore of sexual assault.  She says she was 15 at the time.
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« Reply #761 on: November 13, 2017, 05:38:51 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

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« Reply #762 on: November 13, 2017, 06:14:58 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-woman-accuses-roy-moore-sexual-assault-minor-202055321.html

Another woman accuses Roy Moore of sexual assault.  She says she was 15 at the time.

He's done. It's getting front page coverage at foxnews, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/13/roy-moore-fights-new-sexual-assault-accusations-as-woman-claims-abuse-at-16.html

The comments on that Fox News page about Roy Moore's sexual assault of a minor are pretty telling.  Some samples:

"This just reeks of conspiracy"
"Soros spending 18 billion to his terrorists organizations for this lie"
"If your signature turns up in someone's yearbook 40 years later that means you had sex with them?"
"This woman is a paid liar just like the Clinton crimfamily."
"Moores poll numbers are actually going up"
"I don't believe people that take 30 years to get around to complaining about something."
"Nancy Pelosi exposed herself to me 30 years ago when I was 9.  I vomited at the sight and ran away.   So it's time to remove her from the House."
"Secretary Clinton or her colleagues were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
"This is the same type of orchestrated attack as “collusion with the Russians."


Yep, I'm pretty sure Republicans are going to sweep Roy Moore the pedophile into office by at least fifteen points.  Trump will probably poach him for a cabinet position, though.  Is there a cabinet position responsible for children's health and well-being?
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« Reply #763 on: November 13, 2017, 07:09:56 PM »
Eh, article comments always attract the mouth-breathers.

From the Washington Examiner, which is also not a liberal rag:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-may-have-been-banned-from-local-mall-report/article/2640576

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Local law enforcement also could not confirm Moore had actually been banned, but they had heard about Moore’s reputation at the mall.

Yeah, the guy used to walk the mall hitting on young teens. In his 30s.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html

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"As a Deputy DA in Gadsden when Roy Moore was there, it was common knowledge about Roy's propensity for teenage girls," she tweeted. "I'm appalled that these women are being skewered for the truth."


If he wins, his supporters truly are deplorables. Not only does he not understand the Constitution but he's also a major creep.

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« Reply #764 on: November 13, 2017, 07:33:01 PM »
Hitting on under age girls is a plus in Alabama, he sweeps this thing.

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« Reply #765 on: November 14, 2017, 02:32:26 AM »
Hitting on under age girls is a plus in Alabama, he sweeps this thing.
Not yet, because none of them so far are his relatives.
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« Reply #766 on: November 14, 2017, 07:20:34 AM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

The Hastert Rule says they should only be elected to the House.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #767 on: November 14, 2017, 08:01:34 AM »
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If there was a test that checked for alcohol use within the past three weeks, you would be OK with losing your job for ever failing it?  I mean, you always have the option to grow up and stop drinking alcohol, so it would be very easy for you to avoid this problem.

If drinking was a felony offense.... Yes. I think we can all agree that Jerry the white collar professional smoking pot on the weekends is no great tragedy but, it's very hard to tell Jerry the weekend smoker from Jerry the heroin addict without being discriminatory and, until the law changes, both are committing felonies.
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« Reply #768 on: November 14, 2017, 11:42:27 AM »
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/930486395071877122

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« Reply #769 on: November 14, 2017, 12:01:33 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #770 on: November 14, 2017, 12:05:38 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
Maybe we should say "known pedophiles"?

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« Reply #771 on: November 14, 2017, 12:10:16 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
Maybe we should say "known pedophiles"?

We still will. Just look at the love that is given to Joe Biden. I've even seen it suggest that he run in 2020. That guy is a creeper for sure.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #772 on: November 14, 2017, 12:40:11 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
Maybe we should say "known pedophiles"?

We still will. Just look at the love that is given to Joe Biden. I've even seen it suggest that he run in 2020. That guy is a creeper for sure.

I've heard people say this, because he is a big hugger. He reminds me of the kind of politician who is kissing babies and kind of touchy feely. Is there any other evidence that he is inappropriate or has forced or propositioned otherwise? 

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #773 on: November 14, 2017, 01:47:08 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
Maybe we should say "known pedophiles"?

We still will. Just look at the love that is given to Joe Biden. I've even seen it suggest that he run in 2020. That guy is a creeper for sure.

I've heard people say this, because he is a big hugger. He reminds me of the kind of politician who is kissing babies and kind of touchy feely. Is there any other evidence that he is inappropriate or has forced or propositioned otherwise?

Are you seriously saying that Joe Biden is a known pedophile?  I know that under the Alex Jones Rules of Evidence, all you need is a picture of him hugging an adult woman and you are well on your way to him running a pedophile ring from the basement of a pizza shop, but this is BS.  On one side, you've got Roy Moore, actual named accusers, a story gathered from 30 sources, evidence that Moore knew one of his accusers but said he didn't, etc.  On the other side, there's what?  What evidence is there?

I think that this is going too far.  Joe Biden is not Roy Moore, and there isn't any evidence that he's even Bill Clinton.  And blurring the lines from Roy Moore to "they're all creepy!" is something that the GOP would love to focus on right now to distract from the fact that they are about to elect an actual pedophile to the Senate.  In this case, there is no Chris Cilizza hack-style both sides do it hot take.


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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #774 on: November 14, 2017, 02:21:58 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....
Maybe we should say "known pedophiles"?

We still will. Just look at the love that is given to Joe Biden. I've even seen it suggest that he run in 2020. That guy is a creeper for sure.

Ok?  Has anyone accused him of sexual assault?  Harassment?

Take off the tin foil hat.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #775 on: November 14, 2017, 03:15:20 PM »
The only "evidence" I could find are some nutty youtube videos complete with fabricated subtitles and delusional viewing.


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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #776 on: November 14, 2017, 04:43:45 PM »
I hope so.   I never thought the US would start electing pedophiles as US senators.

We have been for a long time. This is one of those instances, i dare say, when Alex Jones was onto something.....

In real world interactions if anybody ever said to me, "I dare say, Alex Jones might be on to something"  my immediate reaction is WTF is wrong with you, that you have any working knowledge as to what a pathological liar, and far right extremist propaganda spewer is "on to"?  In your case, I could care less, but if you do have anything to do with sinking to the level of listening to that POS, it's never too late to stop, before your mind degrades any further.

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #777 on: November 14, 2017, 04:54:35 PM »
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If there was a test that checked for alcohol use within the past three weeks, you would be OK with losing your job for ever failing it?  I mean, you always have the option to grow up and stop drinking alcohol, so it would be very easy for you to avoid this problem.

If drinking was a felony offense.... Yes. I think we can all agree that Jerry the white collar professional smoking pot on the weekends is no great tragedy but, it's very hard to tell Jerry the weekend smoker from Jerry the heroin addict without being discriminatory and, until the law changes, both are committing felonies.

Where is smoking pot considered a felony?

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #778 on: November 14, 2017, 05:23:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/930486395071877122

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I want to be clear on something: Sessions responding to questions about Russian contacts by reading a prepared statement means he thinks he's going to be prosecuted. This *is* what a witness does to avoid speaking off the cuff in a way that can be used against them in court.

Sessions was asked to give testimony (again) today and it was a doozy.  The scumbag has selective amnesia regarding Russia, selective hearing loss on questions related to Russia, etc. etc.  Perjured himself multiple times but asserted he's never lied.

Sessions isn't lying. He just can't remember the truth ( :

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #779 on: November 14, 2017, 06:17:08 PM »
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If there was a test that checked for alcohol use within the past three weeks, you would be OK with losing your job for ever failing it?  I mean, you always have the option to grow up and stop drinking alcohol, so it would be very easy for you to avoid this problem.

If drinking was a felony offense.... Yes. I think we can all agree that Jerry the white collar professional smoking pot on the weekends is no great tragedy but, it's very hard to tell Jerry the weekend smoker from Jerry the heroin addict without being discriminatory and, until the law changes, both are committing felonies.

Where is smoking pot considered a felony?

To smoke pot you need to have some . . . and having pot can be prosecuted as a felony in Arizona, Oklahoma, Kansas, Wisconsin, and Indiana.


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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #780 on: November 14, 2017, 07:26:46 PM »
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If there was a test that checked for alcohol use within the past three weeks, you would be OK with losing your job for ever failing it?  I mean, you always have the option to grow up and stop drinking alcohol, so it would be very easy for you to avoid this problem.

If drinking was a felony offense.... Yes. I think we can all agree that Jerry the white collar professional smoking pot on the weekends is no great tragedy but, it's very hard to tell Jerry the weekend smoker from Jerry the heroin addict without being discriminatory and, until the law changes, both are committing felonies.

Where is smoking pot considered a felony?

To smoke pot you need to have some . . . and having pot can be prosecuted as a felony in Arizona, Oklahoma, Kansas, Wisconsin, and Indiana.



First offense possession appears to be a misdemeanor in Oklahoma, Kansas, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

Arizona has it as a felony but they also have legal medical marijuana.

Going back to the bolded statement above...it should be pretty obvious how you can differentiate without "being discriminatory."

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #781 on: November 15, 2017, 06:00:33 AM »
Ok?  Has anyone accused him of sexual assault?  Harassment?

Take off the tin foil hat.

I know a female who worked on his staff and didn't mention his name when we were talking about sexual harassment, does that count?
The first step is acknowledging you have a problem, right?

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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #782 on: November 15, 2017, 08:13:52 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/14/roy-moore-alabama-law-rape-victims-judge

"Alabama has a law generally barring defendants accused of sexual assaults from using evidence relating to their accuser’s sexual history...." Roy Moore argued to set aside this law in case of man who raped a 12-year-old"

Roy Moore is a piece of shit.
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #784 on: November 16, 2017, 11:31:54 AM »
John Oliver on The Trump Presidency Nov 12, 2017.

Interesting insight on how Trump uses propaganda-like techniques of discrediting the media, 'what-about-ism', and trolling to maintain focus on their message (or at least divert focus away from important questions) and re-frame the discussion.  Given all of the disgusting things going on at the highest levels of government and within the Trump administration, the fact that these techniques are spreading to other politicians gives me chills.  At least it was delivered in an entertaining way...

EDIT:  to start video at 14:40 which cuts to the chase for those who are pressed for time
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Re: So Let's Speculate about the Future of a Full Trump Presidency...
« Reply #785 on: November 16, 2017, 11:36:04 AM »
That was an interesting video. i watched it last night.

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Now there are air pollution deniers. And of course some are touted to take advisory roles in the trump administration. I mean, why not?

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/modern-air-is-too-clean-the-rise-of-air-pollution-denial

Now there are air pollution deniers. And of course some are touted to take advisory roles in the trump administration. I mean, why not?
It worked for tobacco and climate change, why not expand the franchise? Ugh.