Should we punch the unemployed in the gut and then kick them repeatedly?

[MoneyCat]

Just wanted to add another thread to go along with the other ones on this particular sub-forum.

[NoraLenderbee]

No, we should call them lazy and hide them under the basement stairs. What are you, a puppy-killer?

[MoneyCat]

No, we should call them lazy and hide them under the basement stairs. What are you, a puppy-killer?

That depends.  Are those puppies working dogs like police dogs or sheepdogs or are they just mooching off the system by getting belly rubs and free chew toys?

[Primm]

They're free to get a job at any time though! It's not like they don't have a choice.

[MoneyCat]

They're free to get a job at any time though! It's not like they don't have a choice.

Yeah!  There's absolutely no reason a chihuahua can't become a police dog.  Bootstraps!

[brooklynmoney]

One New Years day I watched an entire day if a show called Dogs with Jobs  about the myriad of different types of jobs dogs do. The best part was my boyfriend at that time was unemployed (voluntarily)so I could constantly point out how much more  productive a member of society the various dogs were than him.

[MoneyCat]

I was unfortunately unemployed at one point for about six months and during that time our state government was considering requiring the unemployed to pee in a cup to prove they weren't on drugs.  I thought that was so strange because I was unemployed so obviously I couldn't afford drugs.  They should drug test bankers.  Those guys sniff so much snow you'd think they were ski instructors.

[fxsts12]

So the goal of FI is exactly what? What happens when we reduce our needs and enjoy more time before FI? I have been unemployed several times over the last few years and have enjoyed the reboot and also being able to stay at home and raise young children. Choosing to be a stay at home parent is commended, but collecting unemployment insurance while doing the same seems to have negative connotations and deserves a gut punch. Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.  I think there is some misguided anger somewhere over the issue.  My employment or unemployment doesn't affect others and allows me to take contract W-2 employment with a safety net since you bear all risk in taking new jobs. This is by the way just another perspective.

[Rezdent]

Wait...
I thought the goal of FIRE was to ditch having no choice other than mandatory employment?  And if no longer employed, wouldn't that be unemployment?
Are you advocating Mustachians punch and kick each other for reaching their goals?

[HP]

Ow. Please don't.

[StartingEarly]

A police Chihuahua would be a good idea.  They would easily infiltrate the Mexican Cartels.

[Will]

The unemployed should be forced to reproduce so that the offspring can provide for my "child-less" Social Security.

[NoraLenderbee]

The unemployed should be forced to reproduce so that the offspring can provide for my "child-less" Social Security.

Bingo! And they can also wipe our butts (for minimum wage) when we're old and demented. Hey, we paid for your education, where's the gratitude?

[God or Mammon?]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

[marty998]

The unemployed should be forced to reproduce so that the offspring can provide for my "child-less" Social Security.

On A Current Affair tonight in Australia they've got a story on a minister who has called for "no contraception, no dole", in order to break the welfare cycle.

Watch for that to be in the 2015 federal budget.

[marty998]

Mike, it was new years day, what else are you going to do besides watch the box as you try and get over your hangover from the night before.

You could invade Australia on that day and no one would notice, we're that unproductive on 1/1.

[sheepstache]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

[PKFFW]

Mike, it was new years day, what else are you going to do besides watch the box as you try and get over your hangover from the night before.

You could invade Australia on that day and no one would notice, we're that unproductive on 1/1.

I note the humourous tone of your post but I'd like to point out not everyone is so unproductive.

I will be working a 24 hour shift starting 1800hrs on NYE.  My wife, 1 sister and 3 of my brothers will all be working over NYE and NYD.  Emergency services personnel are there 24 hours a day. :)

[marty998]

Ouch yes. I hope you bank the extra penalty pay for working on that day.

[Daley]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Primm]

Ouch yes. I hope you bank the extra penalty pay for working on that day.

I just mentally calculated the penalties I'll get from my 2x12 hour night duty shifts on Christmas Day / Boxing Day.

Let's just say it was worth it. :)

[MoneyCat]

So the goal of FI is exactly what? What happens when we reduce our needs and enjoy more time before FI? I have been unemployed several times over the last few years and have enjoyed the reboot and also being able to stay at home and raise young children. Choosing to be a stay at home parent is commended, but collecting unemployment insurance while doing the same seems to have negative connotations and deserves a gut punch. Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.  I think there is some misguided anger somewhere over the issue.  My employment or unemployment doesn't affect others and allows me to take contract W-2 employment with a safety net since you bear all risk in taking new jobs. This is by the way just another perspective.

Hmm, I can see what you mean.  Besides, if it wasn't for unemployment there would be no TV audience for the "Maury" show.  I don't want to live in a world without televised paternity tests.

[NoraLenderbee]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I see what you did there.

[PKFFW]

Ouch yes. I hope you bank the extra penalty pay for working on that day.

Absolutely! :)  Wouldn't be much of a mustachian if I went out and frivolously spent it all now would I? hehehe

[Cpa Cat]

MoneyCat, I would vote for you if you ran for office.

[Eric]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I see what you did there.

Yes, very clever I.P.  Very clever indeed.

[sheepstache]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

[Daley]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

[Kriegsspiel]

I'm not sure if any of you were joking about being mean to the homeless, so you will be duly reported to a moderator.

[MoneyCat]

I'm not sure if any of you were joking about being mean to the homeless, so you will be duly reported to a moderator.

The homeless should just go build themselves some houses out of cardboard boxes and old shopping carts.  Fighting with other vagrants over dumpster food is just Darwin in action.  Bootstraps!

[NoraLenderbee]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

Bunch of Yahoos.

[sheepstache]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

Bunch of Yahoos.

Thank god, Noralenderbee, thank you. I was going to attempt, "I knew you were going to luggnagg them into it" but it was going to be so sad. I am done. Completely outclassed.

[gaja]

The unemployed should be forced to reproduce so that the offspring can provide for my "child-less" Social Security.

Bingo! And they can also wipe our butts (for minimum wage) when we're old and demented. Hey, we paid for your education, where's the gratitude?

No, that is what we have immigrants for.

[Eric]

The unemployed should be forced to reproduce so that the offspring can provide for my "child-less" Social Security.

Bingo! And they can also wipe our butts (for minimum wage) when we're old and demented. Hey, we paid for your education, where's the gratitude?

No, that is what we have immigrants for.

Wait, are you talking about the reproduction or the butt wiping?  Please say both.

[NoraLenderbee]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

Bunch of Yahoos.

Thank god, Noralenderbee, thank you. I was going to attempt, "I knew you were going to luggnagg them into it" but it was going to be so sad. I am done. Completely outclassed.

No Brob!

[MoneyCat]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

[brooklynmoney]

I love this threat. That is all.

[Eric]

I love this threat. That is all.

I'll kill you mutherfucker!!!!!

Oh, did you mean thread?  :)

[brooklynmoney]

I meant Spartana's threat that indentured servitude is possibly the path to happiness for all. Although this thread is pretty good too.

[Chaplin]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

Bunch of Yahoos.

Thank god, Noralenderbee, thank you. I was going to attempt, "I knew you were going to luggnagg them into it" but it was going to be so sad. I am done. Completely outclassed.

No Brob!

Who would have guessed what this lilliputian thing would grow in to? It was all so swift!

[Primm]

Who would have guessed what this lilliputian thing would grow in to? It was all so swift!

*groan*

[davisgang90]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

Check out the Brobdingnagian brain on I. P. Daley!

[EDSMedS]

I don't want to waste my expensive time punching and kicking all day.  I am a fan of blood sport.  Let the unemployed/gladiators punch and kick each other.

[God or Mammon?]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

[EDSMedS]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

Financial Samurai actually provides instruction on how to do this...
http://www.financialsamurai.com/dont-get-fired-or-quit-get-laid-off-instead/

[MoneyCat]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

That's the thing though.  Unemployment fraud is an insignificant problem.  In fact, it's so insignificant that it's nearly nonexistent.  That's because it's actually very hard to qualify for unemployment.  You have to lose your job through no fault of your own and not have your employer block you from getting it.  There are also limits to how often a person can collect it.  You really can't be a slacker and get unemployment.  It's naive to assume that there are all these slackers out there getting free money just because some right-wing websites tell you so.

[God or Mammon?]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

That's the thing though.  Unemployment fraud is an insignificant problem.  In fact, it's so insignificant that it's nearly nonexistent.  That's because it's actually very hard to qualify for unemployment.  You have to lose your job through no fault of your own and not have your employer block you from getting it.  There are also limits to how often a person can collect it.  You really can't be a slacker and get unemployment.  It's naive to assume that there are all these slackers out there getting free money just because some right-wing websites tell you so.

Until recently there were loopholes in the system allowing people to receive unemployment benefit checks despite having started a new job, at least in the state of NY.

I guess you think that there is no voter fraud either?

[MoneyCat]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

That's the thing though.  Unemployment fraud is an insignificant problem.  In fact, it's so insignificant that it's nearly nonexistent.  That's because it's actually very hard to qualify for unemployment.  You have to lose your job through no fault of your own and not have your employer block you from getting it.  There are also limits to how often a person can collect it.  You really can't be a slacker and get unemployment.  It's naive to assume that there are all these slackers out there getting free money just because some right-wing websites tell you so.

Until recently there were loopholes in the system allowing people to receive unemployment benefit checks despite having started a new job, at least in the state of NY.

I guess you think that there is no voter fraud either?

With those ridiculous statements, now I know what websites you frequent and what talk radio stations you listen to.  Amazing stuff.

[Daley]

No, but I think we should replace unemployment benefits with food. We get the food by harvesting the babies of people on welfare.

I find your modest proposal to be quite intriguing, and I shall be swift to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'm glad you weren't so gulliver as to think I was serious.

Good thing you didn't need to lilliput me in my place.

Bunch of Yahoos.

Thank god, Noralenderbee, thank you. I was going to attempt, "I knew you were going to luggnagg them into it" but it was going to be so sad. I am done. Completely outclassed.

No Brob!

Who would have guessed what this lilliputian thing would grow in to? It was all so swift!

This exchange has left me lagadoed out. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go beat my gardener Stella. If I don't appropriately motivate her, the old bag of bones mows the lawn so poorly that the neighbors believe I don't pay her enough.

Well I say 25¢ an hour, all the cold gruel she can eat (up to half a cup a day!), and the rental of our leaky shed at only $20/week should be generous enough for anybody to take pride in their labors and make something of themselves. The problem is, everyone is lazy and nobody values true labor anymore. Well you know what? I started out with less. Bootstraps, people!

...perhaps if I start charging her for the precious time I have to take to discipline her until she glubbdubdribs, she'll finally understand how valuable a service it truly is, and she'll finally express the appropriate level of gratitude for all the free beatings I've administered over the years.

[God or Mammon?]

Unemployment insurance is paid for by the employee and employer. It is no different than car insurance.  Wreck your car and make an insurance claim and you should be punched in the gut. Not very logical since you have prepaid what you are using.

One major difference is it is illegal to purposely wreck one's car in order to collect an insurance payout.  No such rule exists for those purposely not working in order to collect unemployment insurance.

Oh, wow!  You are so right!  Everybody tell your bosses to lay you off so you can enjoy six months of reduced pay with no health insurance.  That's my idea of a good time.

If you think there aren't people gaming the unemployment insurance system you are naive - it's not an insignificant problem.

That's the thing though.  Unemployment fraud is an insignificant problem.  In fact, it's so insignificant that it's nearly nonexistent.  That's because it's actually very hard to qualify for unemployment.  You have to lose your job through no fault of your own and not have your employer block you from getting it.  There are also limits to how often a person can collect it.  You really can't be a slacker and get unemployment.  It's naive to assume that there are all these slackers out there getting free money just because some right-wing websites tell you so.

Until recently there were loopholes in the system allowing people to receive unemployment benefit checks despite having started a new job, at least in the state of NY.

I guess you think that there is no voter fraud either?

With those ridiculous statements, now I know what websites you frequent and what talk radio stations you listen to.  Amazing stuff.

Great response

So you don't believe people were receiving unemployment benefits (which were amazingly extended to almost 2 years) after having started their new job?