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Any Dvorak typists?
« on: March 11, 2015, 05:42:39 PM »
I truly want to make a switch, as I think typing will be a lot easier if I do switch to the Dvorak layout. 

Has anyone else done this?  Obviously it takes some getting used to, but I'm sure it's worth it.

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 01:51:09 AM »
Why do you think dvorak would be any better?

While I have used dvorak before, I find it to be more of a hassle than an improvement. The speed at which you type is not that much faster (if at all), simply because just about every person on the planet is used to an qwerty/azerty keyboard, and so are you. Getting your hands on a dvorak keyboard can be difficult (because, well, everyone uses azerty/qwerty). And if you ever find yourself having to use another keyboard, chances are extremely high it will be a qwerty/azerty, so you will type more slowly than ever if you are used to a dvorak.

Frankly, dvorak is much ado about nothing for me and I just switched back.

Have a look at the series on Ars Technica where one of the editors switched to dvorak: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/my-quest-to-learn-the-dvorak-keyboard-layout-the-grand-finale/ . She is slightly more optimistic, but not overly so.

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 04:58:32 AM »
Yes!

For me, it was a huge improvement. I'm a knitter, and the combination of long keyboard hours and knitting was doing a serious number on my hands. I haven't had any problems with that since the switch.

That said, I was never a particularly great QWERTY typist, so I wasn't giving anything up (I was reasonably fast, but using only two or three fingers on each hand, so I was almost useless in a dark room). But I didn't do it at a low-pressure time--I was in law school (during exams/term paper season!) and then in my summer job. Neither was hugely affected by the shift.

The main thing is that when you learn it, you have to LEARN it. All the keyboards you sit down at for the rest of your life will almost certainly be QWERTY, so your fingers have to know--it's 100% touch-typing. That said, over time you also learn the "conversion" so you can peck out a quick password or something one-handed.

I'm a ridiculously fast typist now, but mostly I just love how comfortable it is--never stretching my pinkies into weird positions to hit important keys!

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 06:43:19 AM »
The Dvorak layout is proven to be more efficient.  It's just a matter of balancing out how long it'll take to relearn a keyboard against how much typing you'll actually need to do to determine if it's worth switching.

Qwerty is still around for the same reason imperial measurements are . . . it's clearly inferior to the alternative, but people are very very lazy by nature and view learning anything as horrific hardship.

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 09:09:37 AM »
Why do you think dvorak would be any better?

While I have used dvorak before, I find it to be more of a hassle than an improvement. The speed at which you type is not that much faster (if at all), simply because just about every person on the planet is used to an qwerty/azerty keyboard, and so are you. Getting your hands on a dvorak keyboard can be difficult (because, well, everyone uses azerty/qwerty). And if you ever find yourself having to use another keyboard, chances are extremely high it will be a qwerty/azerty, so you will type more slowly than ever if you are used to a dvorak.


I'll be doing a decent amount of programming in the coming years and I'd like to be as efficient as possible.  More time for other activities I guess.  It remains to be seen whether I will be more efficient though.  These sentences are impossibly difficult to type right now.

I'm using this layout (except for the switched numpad) so the symbols will be easier to get to when programming: http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/



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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 09:18:41 AM »
Yes!

For me, it was a huge improvement. I'm a knitter, and the combination of long keyboard hours and knitting was doing a serious number on my hands. I haven't had any problems with that since the switch.

That said, I was never a particularly great QWERTY typist, so I wasn't giving anything up (I was reasonably fast, but using only two or three fingers on each hand, so I was almost useless in a dark room). But I didn't do it at a low-pressure time--I was in law school (during exams/term paper season!) and then in my summer job. Neither was hugely affected by the shift.

The main thing is that when you learn it, you have to LEARN it. All the keyboards you sit down at for the rest of your life will almost certainly be QWERTY, so your fingers have to know--it's 100% touch-typing. That said, over time you also learn the "conversion" so you can peck out a quick password or something one-handed.

I'm a ridiculously fast typist now, but mostly I just love how comfortable it is--never stretching my pinkies into weird positions to hit important keys!

It sounds like learning how to touch-type helped you more than dvorak specifically with your speed!  I'm happy with how little the fingers have to travel by comparison.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 09:51:20 AM »
Maybe re-examine your initial conditions.  If you're typing a hell of a lot while programming you're probably doing something wrong.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 10:30:01 AM »
Maybe re-examine your initial conditions.  If you're typing a hell of a lot while programming you're probably doing something wrong.

I got that same comment yesterday from another student.  My only response is that it would be an improvement over whatever typing I'm doing already.  Almost all brackets are typed with just the right pinky with the standard symbol layout, and most require a shift to do so.

Edit:  I think the programmer's layout is the standard Dvorak on some Linux distributions as well.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 10:48:21 AM »
I have used dvorak as my main keyboard for about 15 years (I'm 30 now and switched from qwerty when I was in high school). I'm currently a professional software engineer.

When I made the switch, I was already quite good at touch typing (~60-80wpm). I spent about two weeks doing hunt and peck, and then another two weeks being frustrated at all the typos I was making. After a month or so, I was up to about 40wpm and happy with my progress.

If you switch, you have to immerse yourself. You are already trained on qwerty, and you need to break that. You can't learn dvorak if you are still typing occasionally on qwerty. You need to use dvorak for everything and deal with the pain of not being able to type for a few weeks.

I can now go back and forth. My coworkers all use qwerty, of course, and when I need to type on their computers I can still pull it off respectably. It's kind of like switching between English and French - my fingers are bilingual.

Contrary to popular belief, the biggest benefit is not speed, as I still only type 60-80 wpm. It's comfort. I can type all day with no wrist pain or fatigue. All the common keys are right under my fingers. When I go type on a qwerty keyboard I feel like I'm doing finger gymnastics. I don't know how anyone can actually type on that for 8 hours. It must be exhausting.

Overall, I recommend it, as long as you are comfortable dealing with a month of being unable to type, and the lifetime confusion that comes with other people being unable to type on your computer.


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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 11:03:50 AM »
Word per minute (WPM) is kind of a dubious typing speed metric in general, but I don't think you need to learn Dvorak to reach a high WPM. I use QWERTY and, when writing ordinary prose, I usually type around 120-150 WPM, and that includes the thought process behind the writing which is why it's such a broad range. It's much easier to type quickly when you're just copying some text, such as in a typing test; the inability to control for the "difficulty" of the typing is the main flaw with WPM as a speed comparison metric.

Because I type so quickly, I'm probably going to end up with some kind of repetitive strain injury, as one poster above alludes to. The ability to avoid that is probably the main advantage of other layouts, not speed per se.

I agree that typing speed should not be a bottleneck in programming, but being able to type quickly is an amazing boon for writing prose. When I used to use online chats often, I used to impress people by how I could write a fairly detailed reply to a question within several seconds of it being posted into the chat. ;-)
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 01:34:50 PM »
I use a sort of german version of Dvorak - its called neo.

I am a bit faster, but as already stated the main point is that yo need to move your hand and finger a LOT less. Combine it with an ergonomic keyboard and the pain is gone.

The most important point is - I cannot stress this enough - to learn to type blind.
There is software for "typewriter training".
I used tipp10 (german), here is english version
http://www.tipp10.com/en/
you cant use the dvorak layout (on the screen) for training, but it still worked good ;)
(you may want to disable the moving thingy - when I got faster the world started spinning when I kept it on)




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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 02:27:32 PM »
Typing in Dvorak is smooth. Like others have said, your fingers travel a lot less. For some, this gives a small speed increase. But the big benefit is you can type all day without strain. Even if you don't feel any strain now, you might later.

I've been typing Dvorak for 15 years. I was a software developer at the time, and I figured if I was going to make a living typing, I might as well learn to type right. It was about 2 weeks of very painful work (where the heck is the dang 'h'!?) And even after I had the keyboard memorized, I still didn't have any muscle memory. So even though I knew where the 'h' was, it still took a while for my finger to get there. That took another 2 weeks. But man, after that first month, nothing but smooth sailing.

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 03:22:16 PM »
I'm a ridiculously fast typist now, but mostly I just love how comfortable it is--never stretching my pinkies into weird positions to hit important keys!

It sounds like learning how to touch-type helped you more than dvorak specifically with your speed!  I'm happy with how little the fingers have to travel by comparison.

Not really; my speed with a few fingers at Qwerty was comparable to most people's touch-typing (70-80wpm). My Dvorak touch-typing is very fast (100wpm if I'm focused). I do think having the most-important keys very close to hand makes a big difference in speed over time.
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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 05:00:12 PM »
I switched to dvorak for about two weeks, and saw my typing speeds coming up very quickly. Unfortunately I have to use a lot of different computers at work, and my brain just couldn't make the switch back and forth between qwerty and dvorak. One day I arrived at work, and couldn't type on the qwerty keyboard. I had to go through alphabet a few times while looking at the keyboard for my brain to adjust back to qwerty. I stopped using dvorak after that.

When I get to the point of only using computers that I have control of, I'll probably try dvorak again.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 07:36:47 PM »
I switched to Dvorak back about eight years ago. During the transition period I found myself unable to type fast using either Qwerty or Dvorak. Now I can not touch type at all with Qwerty. I do feel the Dvorak layout is superior.

Switching my work computer to use Dvorak was easy, though I had to learn my password in Qwerty for my initial login to work. There are also some shared computers at work and I was able to get permission to be allowed to toggle them to Dvorak (then toggle back to Qwerty when I'm done).

Probably my biggest complaint with Dvorak is with shortcuts. Your Ctrl+X/C/V are spread all over the keyboard. You get used to it, but it isn't as intuitive. The one that really drives me nuts though is that the 'W' is right next to the 'V', so when I try to Ctrl+V (paste) and sometimes end up hitting Ctrl+W (close window). Very annoying.

Ultimately I wouldn't recommend someone switch unless they have a good reason.

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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2015, 11:45:20 PM »
I've been typing on Dvorak for about 15 years. As others have already said, it makes typing fast and smooth.

You will have to memorize the entire keyboard by feel. The buttons will no longer do what they say. The punctuation, including [] and +\, moves, too. That can be a good thing, since you can look at what you type, and not at your fingers. It does mean that keyboard commands and passwords also move around. I can type with one hand or one finger (such as if I'm holding something in the other hand), but it's not a good way to enter anything.

I do NOT recommend it if you frequently use others' computers (e.g. you work in IT) or if you frequently use public computers (school, library, etc.). I also do not recommend it if others must frequently use your computer.

I only lately switched my (Android) phone over to a Dvorak. It's odd, with an on-screen keyboard, seeing what I'm doing. Still, the principle is the same, and if I think about how the words are "shaped" for me, instead of where to find a given letter, it seems to be just a little easier. It is a little odd doing one-finger, gesture typing back and forth across mainly the home row.

Here's an oldie but goodie, the resource I used to learn: http://gigliwood.com/abcd/

One more note: if this is about ergonomics, be sure you fix your bad habits regardless of which keyboard layout you end up using. Use a keyboard that fits you, and put it at a good height and angle. Lift or support your wrists so they're straight and relaxed, and not resting on any hard, sharp edges. And install and adjust a tool such as Workrave to remind yourself to take periodic breaks. There are loads of ergonomics guides online.

Good luck!

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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 06:55:05 AM »
I switched to Dvorak as a novelty in college (I just relabeled my old keyboard and switched a mode on the computer).  I decided it wasn't necessary to learn a new system since I type 90-100 wpm in Querty (depending on if you count mistakes if they happen, which I think is dumb if they can be corrected in the same timeframe).

I know querty was designed to slow typing down, but I learned to do it efficiently. Who knows maybe I could be really really good with Dvorak, but I don't write or take dictation much anymore, and like someone said I'm lazy and don't want to change.

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2015, 07:51:41 AM »
This is my favorite resource re: dvorak - a comic book! It explains what it is, why you might want to try it, and how to go about learning it.

http://www.dvzine.org/

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2015, 09:06:42 AM »
This is my favorite resource re: dvorak - a comic book! It explains what it is, why you might want to try it, and how to go about learning it.

http://www.dvzine.org/

Wow, that's fabulous! I've just learned several things, and I thought I knew a fair bit about the subject already.

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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2015, 11:19:22 AM »
It's a fairly trivial matter to change the layout in software (of course the printing on the keys won't match), and I was even able to change it on my government PC.  That said I've never used it before so my typing ,rpeo rb yd. t.fxrape (words on the keyboard) don't make any sense. 


Here's a guide for most OSes (though its a bit older so Win7 doesn't show up:
http://www.dvorak-keyboards.com/Change_qwerty_keyboard_to_Dvorak_in_30_seconds.htm


I've heard the argument about how QWERTY was designed to be slower, but the dvzine page is very enlightening...


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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2015, 12:55:21 PM »
I have typed in Dvorak since college. When I originally learned to type I picked up some bad habits (not using all of the fingers, often looking at the keys). I had a decent typing speed already, but the switch to Dvorak was a great opportunity to break myself of those bad habits. My typing speed increased in the process, but it's impossible to quantify how much was due to Dvorak itself and how much of it was better typing habits in general.

I do think it's kind of fun to have a keyboard that other people can't use effectively. I rearranged the key caps so that hunt-and-peck typing is possible, but it's super slow for someone who is good at Qwerty.

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2015, 01:57:57 PM »
I'm homeschooling 2 kids and have toyed with the idea of teaching them Dvorak. Thanks for the info and the link to the DVzine!!!!

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2015, 08:38:04 AM »
It's a fairly trivial matter to change the layout in software (of course the printing on the keys won't match), and I was even able to change it on my government PC.  That said I've never used it before so my typing ,rpeo rb yd. t.fxrape (words on the keyboard) don't make any sense. 


Here's a guide for most OSes (though its a bit older so Win7 doesn't show up:
http://www.dvorak-keyboards.com/Change_qwerty_keyboard_to_Dvorak_in_30_seconds.htm


I've heard the argument about how QWERTY was designed to be slower, but the dvzine page is very enlightening...

Update on this... Windows 7 is driving me NUTS!!   I installed the Dvorak profile alongside QWERTY, and it keeps switching back and forth without me telling it to!   Until I actually start learning it, I think I'll switch it back off...

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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2015, 10:34:02 AM »
It's a fairly trivial matter to change the layout in software (of course the printing on the keys won't match), and I was even able to change it on my government PC.  That said I've never used it before so my typing ,rpeo rb yd. t.fxrape (words on the keyboard) don't make any sense. 


Here's a guide for most OSes (though its a bit older so Win7 doesn't show up:
http://www.dvorak-keyboards.com/Change_qwerty_keyboard_to_Dvorak_in_30_seconds.htm


I've heard the argument about how QWERTY was designed to be slower, but the dvzine page is very enlightening...

Update on this... Windows 7 is driving me NUTS!!   I installed the Dvorak profile alongside QWERTY, and it keeps switching back and forth without me telling it to!   Until I actually start learning it, I think I'll switch it back off...

Ctrl + shift is one of the shortcuts you use to switch, and is often accidentally pressed.

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2015, 01:57:33 PM »
I have some slow time at work right now and started learning this to see if i like dvorak. Writing code in R is a little nicer, I am not needing to make as many goofy hand movements. My pinkies feel better but for now that is more due to typing 10 wpm instead of 80. There is definitely a different feel to it, hopefully my patience can tolerate a couple weeks of typing this slow... my god this is brutal.

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2015, 02:06:08 PM »
I have some slow time at work right now and started learning this to see if i like dvorak. Writing code in R is a little nicer, I am not needing to make as many goofy hand movements. My pinkies feel better but for now that is more due to typing 10 wpm instead of 80. There is definitely a different feel to it, hopefully my patience can tolerate a couple weeks of typing this slow... my god this is brutal.

Keep it up! You can do it!

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2015, 03:09:35 PM »
I have some slow time at work right now and started learning this to see if i like dvorak. Writing code in R is a little nicer, I am not needing to make as many goofy hand movements. My pinkies feel better but for now that is more due to typing 10 wpm instead of 80. There is definitely a different feel to it, hopefully my patience can tolerate a couple weeks of typing this slow... my god this is brutal.

Keep it up! You can do it!

+1

Really even after the first week it gets much better.  You can do it!

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2015, 07:08:34 PM »
I have some slow time at work right now and started learning this to see if i like dvorak. Writing code in R is a little nicer, I am not needing to make as many goofy hand movements. My pinkies feel better but for now that is more due to typing 10 wpm instead of 80. There is definitely a different feel to it, hopefully my patience can tolerate a couple weeks of typing this slow... my god this is brutal.

Keep it up! You can do it!

+1

Really even after the first week it gets much better.  You can do it!

Ok it's not really that much better after one week...  this game is toasting me (though it's helping with speed):  http://phoboslab.org/ztype/

I can't get past Wave 10 on the normal mode!  I wonder how far some of the more prodigious typers here would get. 

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2015, 03:01:24 AM »
Ok it's not really that much better after one week...  this game is toasting me (though it's helping with speed):  http://phoboslab.org/ztype/

I can't get past Wave 10 on the normal mode!  I wonder how far some of the more prodigious typers here would get.
Nice one! I got to 14 and I am not even english ^^

You can try to lie in your bed and imagine what you are typing, if you already know where which key is. That helps learning faster and getting sleepy faster ;)

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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2015, 03:46:57 AM »
It doesn't tell me what level I made it to, but it says my final score was 1241, accuracy 91%, wpm 43.3.

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2015, 09:52:44 AM »
It doesn't tell me what level I made it to, but it says my final score was 1241, accuracy 91%, wpm 43.3.

Final score is probably an easier way to compare.  Wave 10 is ~300 points.  Just played again:  354, accuracy 85%, WPM 20.

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2015, 12:11:22 PM »
I've been using dvorak for about 10 years now as well.  I started because I hit a ceiling in typing speed, about 54wpm.  I was also working a slow tech support job with plenty of free time at work to learn something new.  3 months after I started using dvorak I was doing 72wpm on it, so it CAN increase your speed if you're a slow typer, but for people already at 100wpm you probably won't see much of a difference.

The main benefit, as others have said, is typing is just easier and more enjoyable.  I can go back and forth between dvorak and qwerty pretty easily now.  It takes about 20 seconds each way for my fingers to re-adjust then it's 'normal'.  The problem is qwerty just annoys the shit out of me now, it just makes no sense.  As I'm typing I keep thinking 'why the hell is that key over there?!'

Some tips, or at least what I did that worked for me... don't buy a dvorak keyboard.  This will make it so you can't look at your fingers while you type, so you have no choice but to learn to touch type on it.  I printed out the dvorak layout and kept it on my desk next to my keyboard and looked at that while I typed.  I'd say the first month was a constant exercise in frustration.  If I had a lot of typing I had to get done I'd switch back to qwerty but only for as long as I absolutely had to.  After that I was slow but it was manageable, and like I said by the 3 month mark I surpassed my qwerty speed.  It was a while before I could switch back and forth without getting frustrated.

Like someone said, the keyboard shortcuts are annoying on dvorak.  cut/copy/paste for example were designed to be quick and efficient on a qwerty keyboard.  On dvorak they take both hands.  Apple has an obvious and brilliant solution to this, a keyboard layout that's dvorak for normal typing, but all the shortcuts are qwerty.  I love it.  Windows may have something similar to this now, been a while since I was on it.

If you're considering it I definitely think it's worth it.

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2015, 12:36:27 PM »
I switched from qwerty to dvorak 12 years ago, just before I started typing up my master's thesis.  A friend recommended it after he had some problems with carpal tunnel syndrome; he switched to dvorak and his symptoms went away.  It's entirely anecdotal, with no clear causality (e.g. maybe it keeps the elephants away too), but it appealed to me.  Maybe it was just another tiny thing to help me procrastinate on my 4-month typing project.  My girlfriend (now wife) switched to dvorak at the same time, and we've never gone back.

My approach was similar to others here: I kept my original keyboard and put a printout of the dvorak layout on the wall behind my monitor.  My thesis contained a lot of code as well as prose, so I had practice with the letters and the special characters, and after a week I didn't need the printout; after a month, I was back up to my qwerty speed of about 60 wpm.

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2015, 01:21:56 PM »
I do NOT recommend it if you frequently use others' computers (e.g. you work in IT)

Yup, this kills my ability to use this consistently (I think?).

Plus my ability to type really fast as is. I frequently get over 100 wpm in all the online typing tests I ever do. It's hard to feel motivated to switch.

I wanted to switch a while ago and thought about it. I was incredibly inefficient at work, though, and had a hard time justifying this for an otherwise minor benefit. Maybe I will do that sometime? I feel like switching would be beneficial from a "how bad on hands" perspective since I noticed my hands felt better when I was doing dvorak testing at least.

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2015, 08:03:39 AM »
Just saw this--I have been Dvorak-only for about four years. I used a game online for training. I can't type QWERTY anymore but I like Dvorak better.

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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2015, 08:16:41 AM »
Just saw this--I have been Dvorak-only for about four years. I used a game online for training. I can't type QWERTY anymore but I like Dvorak better.

What game? Share the love!

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2015, 09:48:59 AM »
Just saw this--I have been Dvorak-only for about four years. I used a game online for training. I can't type QWERTY anymore but I like Dvorak better.

What game? Share the love!

I didn't say because I actually can't remember, sorry!

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2015, 04:17:35 PM »
Have you guys seen Colemak?
http://colemak.com/

What's wrong with the Dvorak layout?
http://colemak.com/FAQ#What.27s_wrong_with_the_Dvorak_layout.3F

Is it worth switching from Dvorak to Colemak?
http://colemak.com/FAQ#Is_it_worth_switching_from_Dvorak_to_Colemak.3F

Is Colemak better than Dvorak for programming?
http://colemak.com/FAQ#Is_Colemak_better_than_Dvorak_for_programming.3F

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2015, 10:43:20 AM »
I don't use Dvorak, but I did use Colemak for a long time. It seems like it was significantly faster than QWERTY, but that difference had absolutely no effect on my real life so I'm back to QWERTY now.

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Re: Any Dvorak typists?
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2015, 11:31:23 AM »
Ok it's not really that much better after one week...  this game is toasting me (though it's helping with speed):  http://phoboslab.org/ztype/

I can't get past Wave 10 on the normal mode!  I wonder how far some of the more prodigious typers here would get.
Nice one! I got to 14 and I am not even english ^^

You can try to lie in your bed and imagine what you are typing, if you already know where which key is. That helps learning faster and getting sleepy faster ;)

Tried again at the 1 month mark.  Defeated wave 19 (made it to level 20), score 905.  I'll reply again if I remember when I'm feeling super fast.  I still make a few dumb mistakes here and there.

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2015, 12:27:59 PM »
just tried it again too. It didn't say what level I made it to, but it ended when I defeated all the levels. Final score: 2336. Accuracy: 92.9% WPM: 46.7

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2015, 01:02:41 PM »
just tried it again too. It didn't say what level I made it to, but it ended when I defeated all the levels. Final score: 2336. Accuracy: 92.9% WPM: 46.7

There's an end to it?  Well then.  Way to kick ass.  I wasn't able to get that far when I was first playing with the QWERTY layout.