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resy

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saving money at other's expense
« on: July 28, 2014, 05:55:28 PM »
Not really sure what to categorize my post as, I just feel the need to get this message out there.
There are A LOT of really great people that this doesnt apply to but there are a few others that I feel might need to hear this message and not even know it.
My husband works in the service industries owning a (very,very) small painting company.
My husband will close down his company in about a year when he finishes his technology related degree and he is just desperate to get out of it.
This pains me because he is amazing. He is a real considerate person with an incredible work ethic. He loves painting. What he doesnt live is how people try so hard to save on his expense.
He will sometimes get the most unbelievable clients. Best I can do is give an example of the most current one that was bad: he bid it and when he started the job a few weeks later theybhad added corner boards to the house and INSISTED they were already there, he would have been stuck had he bit been wise to take pictures of the house when he initually saw it(something he always does), they caulked a portion of it themselves to reduce prep time thus get a discount but they not only did it wrong but used old bad caulking that took a ridiculous time to cure slowimg down the project and the result was so bad my husband had to repair their caulking anyway, oh and i vould go on.
My main point is: i know not every painter, contractor, employee will be good but when you do get one that gives you a great value/price with displays a hard working nature, sincerity and pride in their work pkease, please dont take it as a weekeness and apprefiate it instead.
Specially with very small companies (family run in our case so total of a whooping 3 employees) every dollor you cheat them out of is a dollar out of their grocery money, mortgage, etc. We arent rolling in dough, in fact we are barelynmaking it and i work part tume (go to school full time).
Im frugal and im on this forum so in abviously all for saving money but pkease understand that there are limits too.


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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2014, 07:28:00 PM »
That's what the asshole tax is for. "This doorknob just cost them $50."

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 07:51:12 PM »
Sadly everyone who deals with the public sees this kind of behavior sometimes.  I ran into this when I was tutoring.  One dad of a teenager I tutored tried to stiff me out of the $40 he owed me.  There a difference between negotiating and just being a dishonest jerk, and I think most mustachians understand where that line is.

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 03:03:38 PM »
I hate when people try to cheat others out of making a decent living. WE have a fantastic handyman and always pay him well.  We have had friends that try to pay him less when they know he is out of work, etc.  He will take less when needed & I feel like they are taking advantage of him. We had some heated discussions about this.  WE just had a mobile car mechanic yesterday & he was telling me that although he is cheaper then shops he has people trying to get his service for practically nothing.  Don't people stop to think that others have to pay their own bills as well & if they expect to be paid a fair wage for their work why wouldn't others want the same?   

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2014, 12:22:11 PM »
oh yeah, I for sure agree there's a line and I do see people crossing it. just the other day, a friend of mine was asking around for someone to come to their house and dog-sit their two dogs for four days for FIFTY DOLLARS. at least she had the good sense to say, "I know it's not a lot of money," and if it is just a friend doing a favor for another friend that's one thing, but I have had people take advantage of their friends with dog-sitting in the past and it bugs me. depending on the dog (and these two are young and energetic!) it's a lot of work! she also apologized for asking but said, "boarding is SOOO expensive..." well if it's so expensive then maybe you shouldn't have dogs. or shouldn't have bought a house within the last year, which I haven't done yet because I can't comfortably afford it (but I don't cheap out on stuff for my dogs!)

sorry to thread hijack, I just needed to get that off my chest and I totally agree that people can take it too far with being unrealistic and just rude in their attempts to save money.

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2014, 12:37:27 PM »
Like the people who ask me to fix their computers for free...

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2014, 02:05:00 PM »
You're always going to save money at someone else's expense.

But this isn't saving money, this is stealing.

Like the people who ask me to fix their computers for free...

Isn't that what keyloggers are for?

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2014, 02:24:59 PM »
Like the people who ask me to fix their computers for free...

Isn't that what keyloggers are for?
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Heh - I've thought about it.  Never done it.  About as nasty as I get is "forgetting" to activate their operating system until they pay up.

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2014, 04:09:42 PM »
Like the people who ask me to fix their computers for free...

Isn't that what keyloggers are for?

Heh - I've thought about it.  Never done it.  About as nasty as I get is "forgetting" to activate their operating system until they pay up.
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I'm kidding, of course... I wouldn't install a keylogger.  Bitcoin miner, though?

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2014, 04:51:16 PM »
I second that that's not saving, that's stealing. Or trying to withount success.

I do try to shop for good deals, I compare prices and I negotiate. But I do pay my bills and I tip generously for good service.

As a customer I really hate when somebody tries to take advantage of my supposed ignorance. Yes, I am a paper pusher and can't install my own lightning. As the daughter of a blue collar worker I can however tell when someone tries to overbill me because I "have the money" or is trying to hide the scratches and dents in the wood by putting the damaged part where it won't be too obvious.

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Re: saving money at other's expense
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2014, 05:53:15 PM »
I had a friend, now an ex-friend, who has some sort of mental disability. My amateur diagnosis is that she is ADHD and also suffers anxiety and fear as well as lack of ability to think clearly and analyze situations objectively. These problems drive her toward distrust of others.

 She has an old Victorian house, an old Victorian commercial building, and a couple of old Victorian rentals, all purchased as gut rehabs. Getting these former wrecks habitable has been the work of her life and in doing so she has hired many, many workmen--plumbers, electricians, floor guys, stonemasons, brick masons, painters, etc.

So for some years I watched the parade of workmen stream through her houses and invariably she fired 90% of them. And somehow she always owed them money, which she never paid. During that period DH went into the handyman/small construction business and worked for her. But knowing her habits, he told her he would work for her on a "time and materials" basis. And he got to see first hand how utterly crazy she was in dealing with workers.

He would make arrangements to go to her house to work on the staircase. He would arrive there with appropriate tools. She would say--No! We are working on tile in the upstairs bathroom today. So he would go home, get tools, and go back. But since he was working on her dime that wasted time wasn't a big deal. Except that after a while he grew tired of the inherent inefficiency of her approach to the work. She would, literally, tell him to do X one day. Then the next day tell him to tear it out and do Y. And often she dictated the methods of doing the work which were sloppy and unprofessional. Finally he stopped working for her, but they parted friends and she owed him no money because DH was too smart for that.

So one day she asked, as she always did, for our recommendation for a painter. I gave her the name of my exterior painter but also called him to warn him how difficult a customer she was. He started a job for her, she pulled her usual "you aren't doing this work correctly/you are screwing me over/I will not pay you!" routine. Fortunately, he had all of his paperwork handy, she had signed a contract, and he took her to court. He won, YAY!

Now you would think that at that point I would drop her. But I am an idiot. Some months went by, she needed another painter. I gave her the name of the painter we used on another one of our projects and we liked him a lot. Same deal happened, she accused him of poor quality work and refused to pay him, but fortunately he had been warned by us about her and she owned  him very little.

It was at that point that I dropped her as a friend. What an idiotic woman. She genuinely thinks that she is being "screwed" by the tradesmen.

Yet in her personal life she IS getting screwed, year after year, by supporting a young man who is unrelated to her, who does not work, hasn't worked for a decade, who stays home playing video games and eating. She's has a  mother/son relationship with him only she's not able to get him out of the house.

This is a lot of crazy. I feel sorry for tradesmen who wander innocently into it.