Author Topic: Requiem for the American Dream  (Read 1613 times)

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Requiem for the American Dream
« on: June 21, 2017, 10:47:30 AM »
Has anyone watched this on Netflix? Curious to hear others' thoughts about how it relates to Mustachianism and the power structures that benefit the ultra-wealthy.

I found the last few minutes interesting when Noam started talking about how several decades ago the powers-that-be decided that having the citizenry chase material possessions as the "essence of life" was a good distraction, would keep us from thinking too much about the big issues, and was great for business. Around the 1940's-1950's the advertising industry exploded and an entire field of study - marketing - was born with the objective of making people buy shit they don't know they want/need.

"The public must be put in its place…so that each of us may live free of the trampling and the roar of a bewildered herd." - Walter Lippmann


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Re: Requiem for the American Dream
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2017, 11:04:07 AM »
Not seen or am I familiar with the video you speak of.

I found the last few minutes interesting when Noam started talking about how several decades ago the powers-that-be decided that having the citizenry chase material possessions as the "essence of life" was a good distraction, would keep us from thinking too much about the big issues, and was great for business. Around the 1940's-1950's the advertising industry exploded and an entire field of study - marketing - was born with the objective of making people buy shit they don't know they want/need.

"The public must be put in its place…so that each of us may live free of the trampling and the roar of a bewildered herd." - Walter Lippmann

This said, let me kick the beehive a little bit.

Even in mustachian frugality, it is still consumption of material wealth and goods, even if you're not buying much. Money is a useful tool as a function to trade for other tools and resources that you may not otherwise have available, or to help others in doing likewise... but do we actually need to amass that tool to potentially live successfully or comfortably in the first place? Or is it nothing more than a safety blanket that simply indulges us to nurture and soothe our more selfish and lazy inclinations, only to grow to be separated from, and to begin to hate and despise those who have not despite our shared humanity?

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Re: Requiem for the American Dream
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2017, 11:09:07 AM »
This said, let me kick the beehive a little bit.

Even in mustachian frugality, it is still consumption of material wealth and goods, even if you're not buying much. Money is a useful tool as a function to trade for other tools and resources that you may not otherwise have available, or to help others in doing likewise... but do we actually need to amass that tool to potentially live successfully or comfortably in the first place? Or is it nothing more than a safety blanket that simply indulges us to nurture and soothe our more selfish and lazy inclinations, only to grow to be separated from, and to begin to hate and despise those who have not despite our shared humanity?

Sure, we all need to consume something. And to be able to consume what you need without trading finite hours of your life for money is the goal right? Certainly we don't "need" to amass a fortune to live off of but it makes life a whole lot more enjoyable.

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Re: Requiem for the American Dream
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 11:37:10 AM »
Certainly we don't "need" to amass a fortune to live off of but it makes life a whole lot more enjoyable.

Or is it nothing more than a safety blanket that simply indulges us to nurture and soothe our more selfish and lazy inclinations, only to grow to be separated from, and to begin to hate and despise those who have not despite our shared humanity?

Money does not make life more enjoyable. Community, relationships, and love are what make life a whole lot more enjoyable, and these are things that can never be purchased despite the need to labor in them. One should not be so foolish as to confuse the two - and so long as we do, we will never be satisfied.

We already have the very things we need to live a fulfilling life, and it costs nothing more than a little time, care and love for your fellow man. Let your labors in life be rewarded not in money, but fellowship in love. All it takes to flourish in it is to focus on the intangible value of the very life created around us, and recognize that He who has created us can and will ultimately care for us if we trust Him to so long as we approach Him on His terms and not our own.

The rest is gravy.
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