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RANT - Neighbors and trees
« on: September 10, 2020, 06:09:37 PM »
Just need to blow off a little steam.

I have a truly lovely little old lady as a neighbor who is absolutely irate with me right now.  I noticed last night before bed that a recent windstorm had partially uprooted a tree in my front yard and it was leaning dangerously over the house.  Got busy first thing in the morning finding a tree service to remove said dangerous tree.  Upon beginning work and topping out the tree, the weight shifted and the tree fell towards my neighbor's yard getting hung up in the upper branches of her oak trees.

Now, lovely neighbor is rather particular about her trees spending Christ knows what to have professional arborists come out 2-3 times a year to prune, inspect collars, feed roots, etc.  My crew had to climb into her trees to access the rest of the tree and to tie off for safety.  She lost her shit and went on a monologue about how tree companies don't have a legal right to access trees other than the ones they are contracted to work on (I suspect the doctrine of public safety overrides any property rights she thinks she has). 

She was a thorn in the contractor's side while they worked up until the point they finally freed the tree from her branches.  It proceeded to lean all the rest of the way down and damage our shared fence which caused her to lose her shit and storm off.  She apparently drove to the arborist to see if she could get emergency service.  I got a lecture about leaving her trees alone and how if anything else on my property needed pruning in her "professional's" opinion (my bonded and insured provider is now the "unprofessionals") then her pros would do the work and I'd stay out of the way.

She is a lovely woman.  But a little irrational about her trees.  We'll see if I have made a permanent enemy by trying to do the right thing.

Oh yeah, the tree company already repaired the fence at no charge.

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2020, 10:07:14 PM »
Hah,  that is a good one for me today.  I am covered in cedar needles because I just lopped off nearly all the cedar branches (one side) from the hedge on the neighbor's property -- because the branches are several feet on my side, the hedge seems to be on its last legs, and we have trouble using our sidewalk to get to our backyard.  The hedge is between the houses.

I did it in the near dark, to be safe.  If you know anything about cedar hedging, cutting them at the property line just leaves dangerous sticks and no foiliage, they need to be cut at the trunk.  So I did...If my feet are on my property, it's ok, right?

These are new neighbors and the last ones did not trim their hedge on our side at all in the past 7+ years.  Who hires professionals and does that? (note, no fence).  anyway, I don't think they actually care much about this hedge so I hope I am in the clear.    If not, I can now walk to the yard without being attacked by it.

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2020, 07:18:10 PM »
yeah, I can't go into detail, but I'm being sued right now by a neighbor for trimming branches at the trunk, vs just "clipping" them off halfway.  What to do something right?  Lawsuit.  Be lazy and trashy?  Go right ahead.

Sigh.

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2020, 07:50:37 PM »
I live next to a lovely little old lady. In my experience, they tend to get irate about minor shit on the regular. Wait a day until she has calmed down, take over a cake and apologise profusely. You can explain the situation and say you didn't know what to do and that you will handle it better next time. Remember that you're just the stupid upstart kid from next door in her eyes. Behave like a kid who has pissed off their elders and all will be well.

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 11:45:47 AM »
LOL over here, hope everything calms down. Yes, apologize and explain that the whole thing was an accident, you certainly never intended to damage her tree.

lukebuz - my neighbor cut down 2 mature maple trees on the side of my house, they were on my property. I sued. My neighbor is nasty and mentally ill, which are two different conditions which interact for the worse. Her thought process on why she cut them down is something I will probably never figure out. I also don't understand why her husband hasn't divorced her yet - her behavior has cost him his adult children and all the grandkids. Plus, people talk about him behind his back and it isn't complementary.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2020, 10:36:34 AM »
LOL over here, hope everything calms down. Yes, apologize and explain that the whole thing was an accident, you certainly never intended to damage her tree.

lukebuz - my neighbor cut down 2 mature maple trees on the side of my house, they were on my property. I sued. My neighbor is nasty and mentally ill, which are two different conditions which interact for the worse. Her thought process on why she cut them down is something I will probably never figure out. I also don't understand why her husband hasn't divorced her yet - her behavior has cost him his adult children and all the grandkids. Plus, people talk about him behind his back and it isn't complementary.
OMG, what was the result of suing.   At best you get cash compensation, but that does not replace 2 mature trees, right?

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2020, 02:20:15 PM »
Our subdivision has a section of "age-targeted" homes, called "The Villas".  And while most of the folks over there are delightful and warm, there are some who have nothing better to do with their lives than to stir up trouble.  With the pandemic, all the community pools closed, so some residents (not in The Villas, which is the age-targeted section) purchased above-ground swimming pools.  Above-ground swimming pools are against the deed restrictions, but under the circumstances, and since it would only be about three months until the weather started turning cooler, the HOA board was more than willing to turn a blind eye.  That is, until some Karen from The Villas complained.  The HOA board is legally bound to follow up on complaints and enforce the deed restrictions, and if they don't, they can get sued.  And get this--technically, even those 4-foot-diameter plastic pools you can get for $10 at Walmart count as an "above-ground pool."

Bad news, right?  Well, here's where the story turns.  In June, after their monthly meeting (and at this point, the offending pools had been up for about a month) The board sent out an announcement to all the residents, reminding them that above-ground pools are not allowed, and that there would be a $25 fine for any offenders.  All continuing infractions would be penalized after being reviewed at the next board meeting...which would be in mid-August, since they wouldn't have a quorum for their monthly meeting in July.  In short, those naughty, naughty neighbors with temporary pools would get to enjoy them for a good three months before having to take down their pool or pay $25.  And, as it turns out, the community pool opened two weeks after that June meeting anyway, so it all became moot.

This same Karen, or someone like her, also cause the cancellation of a neighborhood party (which would have been outside, required masks, social distancing, etc), by calling up one of the board members and basically saying, "If I go and catch coronavirus, I'm suing you!"  Seriously, it wasn't enough for this person to simply avoid going themselves, they had to ruin it for everyone else.

lukebuz - my neighbor cut down 2 mature maple trees on the side of my house, they were on my property. I sued. My neighbor is nasty and mentally ill, which are two different conditions which interact for the worse. Her thought process on why she cut them down is something I will probably never figure out. I also don't understand why her husband hasn't divorced her yet - her behavior has cost him his adult children and all the grandkids. Plus, people talk about him behind his back and it isn't complementary.
OMG, what was the result of suing.   At best you get cash compensation, but that does not replace 2 mature trees, right?
Depending on where you live, tree law may dictate that the defendant replace the trees with the same species/age/size of tree.  If it's a big mature hardwood, that can get very expensive.

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2020, 01:51:38 PM »
Just need to blow off a little steam.

Oh yeah, the tree company already repaired the fence at no charge.

I would hope So, and I also hope they gave their insurance info to the neighbor. The picture I built in my head is one of incompetency on the part of the tree service. Isn’t this why you hire this sort thing out? So things don’t get damaged. I am sure the actual situation is way different than the picture that popped in my head.

Hopefully you know what her tastes are and bring a peace offering to her!

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2020, 02:22:55 PM »
It sounds like your people climbed her tree without you notifying her.  Is there some reason you didn't go knock on her door before it happened?  If I needed to enter a neighbor's property--and doubly so if I knew said neighbor was particular about things--it would never occur to me to just do it (or just have my workers do it) without knocking on their door, explaining the situation, apologizing profusely, and begging their understanding, and then explaining what needs to be done and how it would be done. 

If you didn't to that, I think she's right to be upset and to feel disrespected. 

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2020, 02:28:47 PM »
It sounds like your people climbed her tree without you notifying her.  Is there some reason you didn't go knock on her door before it happened?  If I needed to enter a neighbor's property--and doubly so if I knew said neighbor was particular about things--it would never occur to me to just do it (or just have my workers do it) without knocking on their door, explaining the situation, apologizing profusely, and begging their understanding, and then explaining what needs to be done and how it would be done. 

If you didn't to that, I think she's right to be upset and to feel disrespected.

I came outside to check on the work when I felt like it was taking a long time.  Found them tied off to her trees.  Went and knocked on her door immediately to explain the situation.  I would have let her know first if I would have known the tree was going to shift upon topping out.  I was prepared to have the tree on my roof as that is the way it was leaning.

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2020, 12:46:20 PM »
It sounds like your people climbed her tree without you notifying her.  Is there some reason you didn't go knock on her door before it happened?  If I needed to enter a neighbor's property--and doubly so if I knew said neighbor was particular about things--it would never occur to me to just do it (or just have my workers do it) without knocking on their door, explaining the situation, apologizing profusely, and begging their understanding, and then explaining what needs to be done and how it would be done. 

If you didn't to that, I think she's right to be upset and to feel disrespected.

I came outside to check on the work when I felt like it was taking a long time.  Found them tied off to her trees.  Went and knocked on her door immediately to explain the situation.  I would have let her know first if I would have known the tree was going to shift upon topping out.  I was prepared to have the tree on my roof as that is the way it was leaning.

Maybe she overreacted and I probably don't have enough info, but it sounds like your arborists were a little below par. They were hired to take the tree down and keep it from falling on anything... then it goes and falls on the neighbor's trees. Then they tie off on trees on your neighbor's property without letting her know... that's also unprofessional. Not too worried about the fence, they fixed it and it's shared, but the other two things are worrisome.

What if she hires arborists for her oak trees and they drop one on your house?

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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2020, 02:08:37 PM »
Trees and tree Huggers are a pain in my ass.

I sympathize , OP. Trees are The Enemy.

In case Case you think I’m joking, I am not. I grow iris and lilies and trees are the enemies of them.


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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2020, 02:14:53 PM »
Yeah, with the fence there, they had to know they were veering onto her property.

Be friendly and apologize every single time you see her. Agree with any suggestions she makes regarding the trees. Your guys goofed up. People can be pretty huffy about their yards . . . nothing abnormal about that.

We live in a neighborhood with the word "Forest" in the neighborhood name. It was literally a forest and all of the lots were sold fully wooded to individuals (not sold to developers) 70 years ago. Lots are fairly large (our lot is 2/3 acre and many are larger than that.) Some lots have small clearings with grass or other gardens, but all of the homes have a large amount of treed natural area surrounding them. Lately we've had two new neighbors buy homes with these beautiful wooded properties and proceed to clear cut them to put in lawns. I just don't understand this. For one thing, it must be quite expensive. These are mature trees in the southeast . . . many are absolutely giant trees! For another, there are thousands of homes with clear cut lots nearby . . . so why not just buy one of those if you don't want a single tree in your yard? I just don't get it.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2020, 05:31:29 PM »
It sounds like your people climbed her tree without you notifying her.  Is there some reason you didn't go knock on her door before it happened?  If I needed to enter a neighbor's property--and doubly so if I knew said neighbor was particular about things--it would never occur to me to just do it (or just have my workers do it) without knocking on their door, explaining the situation, apologizing profusely, and begging their understanding, and then explaining what needs to be done and how it would be done. 

If you didn't to that, I think she's right to be upset and to feel disrespected.

I came outside to check on the work when I felt like it was taking a long time.  Found them tied off to her trees.  Went and knocked on her door immediately to explain the situation.  I would have let her know first if I would have known the tree was going to shift upon topping out.  I was prepared to have the tree on my roof as that is the way it was leaning.

Then I would certainly be having a word with the people you hired.  But from your neighbor's perspective, the outcome is more or less the same.  Her tree was hit by your tree, and then people entered her property (trespassed upon it, even) and climbed her tree without letting her know.  She's not being all that unreasonable.  I'd be irritated by that as well (I don't care at all about my trees) and if, upon hearing about my irritation, the neighbor responsible downplayed it or tried to make it seem like I was unreasonable for being upset, I'd get more upset.  She's right in implying your company is "unprofessional".  They absolutely were, in several ways. 

The people you hired messed up, and that mistake affected your neighbor.  "I'm so sorry", more than once, and likely followed with some cheap grocery store flowers or a fruit basket or similar token gift, for the sake of repairing the neighbor relationship broken by your actions (even though it was the actions of people you hired, not yourself) seems like the right course of action.  And I think your frustration is misdirected at the neighbor instead of at the tree company. 

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2020, 07:44:34 PM »
Agree that the fault was with your tree cutting company.

I recently learned about arborists on another message board.  They aren't just concerned with the health of the tree, but will strategically thin out and balance  the canopy of a tree so that it is more able to withstand a windstorm, as well as allow some sunlight to filter through to the lawn below.  I'm actually considering consulting one because of this, and I'm not inclined to spend much on my trees at all.  It just seems like a really useful service for my needs with several large trees and a lawn that doesn't like to grow.

Anyway, my backyard neighbor had a giant triple maple that lost one side to a windstorm.  Then, a couple years later another side of it fell, damaging their nearby (large) choke cherry tree, and leaning heavily on my new shed.  Fortunately, our shed was fine, but tell ya what, the choke cherry tree that was left standing looks like shit now.  Half of it was broken away, and it looks anemic. So, I guess I don't blame your neighbor for being a bit PO'd about the whole thing.

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2020, 12:02:34 PM »
LOL over here, hope everything calms down. Yes, apologize and explain that the whole thing was an accident, you certainly never intended to damage her tree.

lukebuz - my neighbor cut down 2 mature maple trees on the side of my house, they were on my property. I sued. My neighbor is nasty and mentally ill, which are two different conditions which interact for the worse. Her thought process on why she cut them down is something I will probably never figure out. I also don't understand why her husband hasn't divorced her yet - her behavior has cost him his adult children and all the grandkids. Plus, people talk about him behind his back and it isn't complementary.
OMG, what was the result of suing.   At best you get cash compensation, but that does not replace 2 mature trees, right?

Sorry, I signed a confidentiality agreement. All I can tell you is that we settled and I'm satisfied.

Edit: and the trees can't be replaced due to location of the house, etc. No, I lost 2 mature shade trees which shaded 2/3 of my property, including the house. The ongoing consequences are annoying. Turns out shade tolerant grass can't survive in full sun.
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Re: RANT - Neighbors and trees
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2020, 03:15:04 PM »
I live next to a bitchy old lady and she's a pain in the $!&$*(&$@ ass!! At least yours is lovely :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2020, 03:52:43 PM »
Old ladies can be a PITA. We recently had a big windstorm. I was headed somewhere and there was a large branch blocking one of the streets near me. I’m a reasonably strong guy and keep gloves and rope and such in my car, so I hopped out figuring I’d move the branch.

Old lady comes flying out of her house screaming “what do you think you’re doing??” 
“Uhh moving the branch out of the street”
“You can’t do that I already called the village they’re coming to fix it I don’t want you moving it onto my lawn!”
“Okay crazy lady, whatever”

Drove by later, watched “the village” drag the branch onto her property (really the easement in front of her property)

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2020, 05:15:54 PM »
Old ladies can be a PITA. We recently had a big windstorm. I was headed somewhere and there was a large branch blocking one of the streets near me. I’m a reasonably strong guy and keep gloves and rope and such in my car, so I hopped out figuring I’d move the branch.

Old lady comes flying out of her house screaming “what do you think you’re doing??” 
“Uhh moving the branch out of the street”
“You can’t do that I already called the village they’re coming to fix it I don’t want you moving it onto my lawn!”
“Okay crazy lady, whatever”

Drove by later, watched “the village” drag the branch onto her property (really the easement in front of her property)

That seems like some good old karma right there.

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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2020, 11:57:03 PM »
Old ladies can be a PITA. We recently had a big windstorm. I was headed somewhere and there was a large branch blocking one of the streets near me. I’m a reasonably strong guy and keep gloves and rope and such in my car, so I hopped out figuring I’d move the branch.

Old lady comes flying out of her house screaming “what do you think you’re doing??” 
“Uhh moving the branch out of the street”
“You can’t do that I already called the village they’re coming to fix it I don’t want you moving it onto my lawn!”
“Okay crazy lady, whatever”

Drove by later, watched “the village” drag the branch onto her property (really the easement in front of her property)

That seems like some good old karma right there.
Agreed. At least you tried to do the right thing, @Chris22. Kudos to you for trying.

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2020, 06:34:08 PM »
Old ladies can be a PITA. We recently had a big windstorm. I was headed somewhere and there was a large branch blocking one of the streets near me. I’m a reasonably strong guy and keep gloves and rope and such in my car, so I hopped out figuring I’d move the branch.

Old lady comes flying out of her house screaming “what do you think you’re doing??” 
“Uhh moving the branch out of the street”
“You can’t do that I already called the village they’re coming to fix it I don’t want you moving it onto my lawn!”
“Okay crazy lady, whatever”

Drove by later, watched “the village” drag the branch onto her property (really the easement in front of her property)

We Recently had a big wind storm that blew a smallish branch into the street. I mean it was 12 feet long or so but it wasn’t anything giant. It nearly missed my car and brushed the car with some leaves. I took a picture of this from an angle that made it look like a tree dumped right on top of my car. The tree is not on my side of the street.

DH and I cleaned it up right away. It was not on our side of the street, But we were home that day and he had a saw handy and so we just did it.

But I taunted my neighbor across the street whose street tree it was that it damaged my car and I will be seeing him in court. I sent him the picture that lookEd like the branch landed on my car.

Ha ha Ha we kid each other that way.