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Other => Off Topic => Topic started by: HPstache on May 31, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
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Here's and interesting poll, do I need to add any options? I have set up the poll so you can change your answer as time goes on.
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I said "No" but the better way to phrase that is "Probably Not" because of the high percentage of cases that are asymptomatic. Vaccinated people get Covid, they just usually don't know it.
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I got the first version when it all started (was running a food pantry and riding the public bus back and forth during Sundance film festival... whoops).
Got vaccinated, then boosted.
I got it again (some Omicron variant, I assume) 3 weeks ago and finally tested negative last Friday.
Both times were pretty sucky for 3-4 days and then annoying for another week.
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I held off on my vote for now. DD tested positive this morning, and DW and I are both feeling slightly off but are testing negative. So far, DD (age 7, double vaxxed) just has mild cold symptoms. We recently went maskless at schools up here (Nova Scotia) so this isn't a huge surprise. None of us have any high risk factors, and we don't have any travel plans until the first week of July, so honestly getting it now is fine.
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I held off on my vote for now. DD tested positive this morning, and DW and I are both feeling slightly off but are testing negative. So far, DD (age 7, double vaxxed) just has mild cold symptoms. We recently went maskless at schools up here (Nova Scotia) so this isn't a huge surprise. None of us have any high risk factors, and we don't have any travel plans until the first week of July, so honestly getting it now is fine.
From experience keep testing. I kept testing negative (after my daughter tested positive) even though I was getting sicker and sicker. I finally tested positive about the time I was debating Urgent Care or Hospital.
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I put No for ‘Not that I know of’.
I never had a close exposure, that I know of.
Never had any symptoms.
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I held off on my vote for now. DD tested positive this morning, and DW and I are both feeling slightly off but are testing negative. So far, DD (age 7, double vaxxed) just has mild cold symptoms. We recently went maskless at schools up here (Nova Scotia) so this isn't a huge surprise. None of us have any high risk factors, and we don't have any travel plans until the first week of July, so honestly getting it now is fine.
From experience keep testing. I kept testing negative (after my daughter tested positive) even though I was getting sicker and sicker. I finally tested positive about the time I was debating Urgent Care or Hospital.
Thank you! And, to be clear, DW and I are both assuming we have it and acting accordingly (in other words, staying home). Hopefully, none of us will get very sick, but we shall see. Fortunately, we're all starting from a good baseline of health.
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Not that I'm aware. I'm double boosted and a lot more social recently, so it's probably just a matter of time.
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Nope. Nobody in my household has.
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Here's and interesting poll, do I need to add any options? I have set up the poll so you can change your answer as time goes on.
lol damn, if you had posted this a month ago...
I had an extremely mild case only a few weeks ago (it felt like a mild cold). I still haven't figured out where I got it, since I barely go anywhere.
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Tested positive on two rapid tests taken the same day so pretty sure its a yes. Sympthoms were mild but fairly textbook, was after my 3rd shot.
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I don't think I've had it, but also haven't tested for every sniffle. Surprisingly, I was exposed to someone who had it back in 2020, before vaccines, and didn't catch it that time that I know of. Still taking lots of precautions.
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I voted 'no, not that I'm aware'. I've kept up an almost daily outdoor jogging regimen which I don't think is possible with Covid, but I've had times where I've felt meh.
It may already be too late with several votes in, but I'd also be interested in a 'yes, multiple times' option to see how many folks have had it more than once (as Walt seems to have). I'm curious, within the yes cohort, if it is just a small minority that get re-infected...
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I voted 'no, not that I'm aware'. I've kept up an almost daily outdoor jogging regimen which I don't think is possible with Covid, but I've had times where I've felt meh.
It may already be too late with several votes in, but I'd also be interested in a 'yes, multiple times' option to see how many folks have had it more than once (as Walt seems to have). I'm curious, within the yes cohort, if it is just a small minority that get re-infected...
I will add it. The poll is set up so you can retract your vote and change your answer.
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Yes, had normal symptoms then crazy back and body aches where i couldn't move, they lasted about 2 days till some big pain pills eased them away.
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Don't really know. Was massively sick late December 2019 and again late January 2020 with symptoms that matched (looking back now), but supposedly it wasn't in our area yet. After that was exposed multiple times and should have got it but never did, so that makes me wonder even more...
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I haven’t had it that I know of, but we went to a big wedding over the weekend and heard today that one of the bridesmaids tested positive, so I’m bracing myself. I’m feeling kind of off right now.
Both DH and I are fully vaccinated and double-boosted. We wore masks part of the time for this thing but it was impossible to keep them on the whole time.
What sucks is that I probably will have to do jury duty this week, and they are allowing unvaccinated people to serve but they have to wear masks. Vaccinated people do not.
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I brought something home from work in March 2020. Some of my co-workers brought COVID back to Ottawa from an Austrian ski trip. I wasn't viewed as a sufficiently "close contact" to merit testing at the time. DW got something a few days after me that had all the canonical COVID symptoms.
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I held off on my vote for now. DD tested positive this morning, and DW and I are both feeling slightly off but are testing negative. So far, DD (age 7, double vaxxed) just has mild cold symptoms. We recently went maskless at schools up here (Nova Scotia) so this isn't a huge surprise. None of us have any high risk factors, and we don't have any travel plans until the first week of July, so honestly getting it now is fine.
From experience keep testing. I kept testing negative (after my daughter tested positive) even though I was getting sicker and sicker. I finally tested positive about the time I was debating Urgent Care or Hospital.
Thank you! And, to be clear, DW and I are both assuming we have it and acting accordingly (in other words, staying home). Hopefully, none of us will get very sick, but we shall see. Fortunately, we're all starting from a good baseline of health.
Just voted -- we've all got it. I suspect DD brought it home from school (she had symptoms first and tested positive first). We're all feeling pretty decent, though. We're all a little tired and muddy-headed, but that's about it. We went and got PCR tests today, just to have them on the record as it can be useful to have when traveling. A positive test within the last 90 days typically meets and testing requirement, and there are still testing requirements in place to cross the Canada / US border, which we plan to do in July.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
Like a different reaction between the two shots, or a reaction to the first and none to the second? I'm not sure I know anyone who had no reactions to the vaccines.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
Like a different reaction between the two shots, or a reaction to the first and none to the second? I'm not sure I know anyone who had no reactions to the vaccines.
Most people were told to expect to have COVID like symptoms after the second shot, but nothing other than a sore arm after the first. I got my first shot and had a fever and COVID-like symptoms for 2 days. I haven't looked into it too much so it could be just be rumors, but it tracked true for me.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
Like a different reaction between the two shots, or a reaction to the first and none to the second? I'm not sure I know anyone who had no reactions to the vaccines.
Most people were told to expect to have COVID like symptoms after the second shot, but nothing other than a sore arm after the first. I got my first shot and had a fever and COVID-like symptoms for 2 days.
Weird. I was just super tired for a day or so after all of them.
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I held off on my vote for now. DD tested positive this morning, and DW and I are both feeling slightly off but are testing negative. So far, DD (age 7, double vaxxed) just has mild cold symptoms. We recently went maskless at schools up here (Nova Scotia) so this isn't a huge surprise. None of us have any high risk factors, and we don't have any travel plans until the first week of July, so honestly getting it now is fine.
From experience keep testing. I kept testing negative (after my daughter tested positive) even though I was getting sicker and sicker. I finally tested positive about the time I was debating Urgent Care or Hospital.
I know multiple people who have had COVID, and everyone in the house was sick, but only 1 or 2 tested positive. I always suspect that everyone had COVID, but a lot of people assume "oh, the rest of us must have a cold!"
We've never had it. At least, we've had 3 colds hit the house and nobody has ever tested positive.
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I seem to have dodged it the whole time. I’ve had a couple colds in the last couple years (one pre-vaccine, one after), but during both of those I was getting weekly PCR tests which remained negative. During the initial Omicron wave I was working in Florida around a bunch of doofuses who wouldn’t wear masks. Had a couple confirmed close contacts within the last couple weeks, but I’ve remained negative on both antigen and PCR tests. I think I just have some immune system luck-of-the-draw, whether it’s a long-lasting immune response to the vaccine or prior exposures to other coronaviruses.
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I avoided it for so long but finally caught it in April. Triple vaxxed, and I got it playing sports unmasked I believe, or socializing afterwards. I had a very mild case, just a slight fever one day, some sniffles and cough for 2-3 more days, then I felt totally fine. Tested positive on a rapid test on the second day of symptoms, had been negative two days before. No lingering side-effects. Funnily enough I didn't catch it when my partner had it, we social distanced at home and slept in separate beds until he tested negative.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
Like a different reaction between the two shots, or a reaction to the first and none to the second? I'm not sure I know anyone who had no reactions to the vaccines.
I have had no reaction to any my three Covid shots (J&J, and two Moderna boosters). I don’t generally react to vaccines though.
Once I had a flu shot, Prevnar, and Shingrix on the same day. Nothing.
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I voted no, not that I know of. I just had my second booster, I wear an N95 that fits as well as I can make it, and hope that I will be OK. Old and not great lungs means higher risk and more care.
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The Omicron subvariant that's going across the US and Europe right now hit us here in Hong Kong which had an under-vaccinated population living in a crowded city. Public masking and strict border controls kept us generally safe for the first two years, but the omicron we had was so contagious it spread insanely fast: 5 million of our 7.4 million people probably got it in that wave, bringing us to herd immunity within two months. It's mild in countries with high immunity (via vaccines/previous infections) but not here. We had the highest per capita death rate for a while from it -- mainly over-70s/80s who refused vaccination (we've the world's longest lived population). Our city wasn't built with architecture designed to control the population like China (though that's changing in new residential highrises), so unlike Shanghai/Beijing, lockdowns weren't feasible.
Many cases here spread via vertical transmission, which is how I probably caught it. I wasn't doing much - staying at home, working remotely. Walked down the 9 flights of stairs outside one day for lunch and was out of breath by the time I got outside. Struggled to breathe, was exhausted. In a way I've never been hit before. So I picked up 10 days worth of food and didn't leave the house for about a week. Mild fever, struggles to breathe, heart palpitations. Symptoms similar to severe pollution some days in Beijing. I had a RAT but decided not to test since if testing positive we were supposed to report to the govt which would pack us up into quarantine camp. Many who tested positive simply didn't report but I wanted to avoid the moral dilemma. So I didn't test and just stayed in.
Felt all clear for a week or two but have struggled with joint issues and aches in the months since. Later tested for inflammation or arthritis markers but they didn't show up.
Edit: was triple vaxxed at the time but had gotten the 3rd nearly four months before, so my immunity was probably down by then.
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No, not that I know of, however I donate blood regularly and the Red Cross was doing free testing for antibodies the last time I went (this free testing seems to be ending June 3rd unfortunately). My last donation noted that I had a high level of antibodies in my blood and I am 6 months out from my booster. I assume that means I may have been an asympto, catching it sometime post-booster but never realizing it, which would be pretty mind boggling considering we rarely leave the house and pretty much only see family on rare occasion. My SO who donated the same day with me had the same result.
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No, not that I know of, however I donate blood regularly and the Red Cross was doing free testing for antibodies the last time I went (this free testing seems to be ending June 3rd unfortunately). My last donation noted that I had a high level of antibodies in my blood and I am 6 months out from my booster. I assume that means I may have been an asympto, catching it sometime post-booster but never realizing it, which would be pretty mind boggling considering we rarely leave the house and pretty much only see family on rare occasion. My SO who donated the same day with me had the same result.
I donate platelets every two weeks or so and Red Cross has been testing for antibodies for the last year. I’ve come back positive each time. I was told results will be positive if you’ve been vaccinated.
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I donate platelets every two weeks or so and Red Cross has been testing for antibodies for the last year. I’ve come back positive each time. I was told results will be positive if you’ve been vaccinated.
Thanks for that note. Quick follow up question (if you're willing): have you been "Reactive+" each time? There is "Reactive" as well. Both results mean you have antibodies but "+" is a higher level. I assumed antibodies would deplete over time and result in the lower of the two readings eventually.
They have only been intermittently testing where we are located, so I haven't been able to get tested with any regularity to see how my result changes over time.
Also, high five for donating platelets every two weeks or so! Rock star.
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No, not that I know of, however I donate blood regularly and the Red Cross was doing free testing for antibodies the last time I went (this free testing seems to be ending June 3rd unfortunately). My last donation noted that I had a high level of antibodies in my blood and I am 6 months out from my booster. I assume that means I may have been an asympto, catching it sometime post-booster but never realizing it, which would be pretty mind boggling considering we rarely leave the house and pretty much only see family on rare occasion. My SO who donated the same day with me had the same result.
Interesting! Do you mean that after your booster, you donated multiple times and got an antibody result of ~X each time, and then suddenly the next time you got a much higher antibody count? Or do you mean you donated sometime after your booster and that single sample had an antibody count that seemed high?
If it's the first scenario, then yea it sounds like you and the SO got Omicron. If it's the later, maybe you're just detecting that you're vaccinated.
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I donate platelets every two weeks or so and Red Cross has been testing for antibodies for the last year. I’ve come back positive each time. I was told results will be positive if you’ve been vaccinated.
Thanks for that note. Quick follow up question (if you're willing): have you been "Reactive+" each time? There is "Reactive" as well. Both results mean you have antibodies but "+" is a higher level. I assumed antibodies would deplete over time and result in the lower of the two readings eventually.
They have only been intermittently testing where we are located, so I haven't been able to get tested with any regularity to see how my result changes over time.
Also, high five for donating platelets every two weeks or so! Rock star.
I just looked back on my donor account to see the details. For my last 6 donations to mid March, the covid antibody result says Reactive+. When I look back further, like the past 2 years, I can see my vitals--- pulse, blood pressure, hemoglobin, but nothing for antibodies. I used to be able to see those results, but not sure why they don't show up now. I know they started doing the antibody before I got vaccinated (April 2021) and it was negative up to that point, then I got only positive results since then. I don't know whether it was considered Reactive+ or just Reactive, or if they even used that system at that point. It may have just come up as Positive during the earlier time phase.
edited to add--- I voted 'No' in the poll. I've been vaccinated and boosted once, but have not gotten Covid as far as I know.
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Do you mean that after your booster, you donated multiple times and got an antibody result of ~X each time, and then suddenly the next time you got a much higher antibody count? Or do you mean you donated sometime after your booster and that single sample had an antibody count that seemed high?
Unfortunately where we donate they only have been doing testing intermittently (would have loved to have more datasets to work with but the timing of my donations didn't line up well). I've only gotten one test so far and I was hoping to get another but I just saw they are ending the testing before my next donation date.
When we were tested for antibodies we were 6+ months out from boosters and got Reactive+ which means "Antibody levels were detected at levels high enough that your plasma may be used as convalescent plasma." A "Reactive" test result is lower, where antibodies are detected but not at high enough levels to use. I had assumed we'd be Reactive, not Reactive+, given all the talk about how vaccines/boosters waned after 4-6 months or whatever the data was pointing to at the time. My assumptions could be totally incorrect however, and probably are :)
@uniwelder Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was a nice added bonus that they started doing this testing in our area just recently. It's awesome to know it's been going on for a while in other areas. Appreciate the extra info as well - we don't know anyone else who donates so we weren't able to bounce our results off anyone to compare.
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@uniwelder Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was a nice added bonus that they started doing this testing in our area just recently. It's awesome to know it's been going on for a while in other areas. Appreciate the extra info as well - we don't know anyone else who donates so we weren't able to bounce our results off anyone to compare.
I think platelets have been tested for antibodies everywhere for more than a year-- at least 18 months I would guess. Its just recently that they expanded it to whole blood that I'm aware of.
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Yes got it fall 2021. Everyone else in my extended family has missed the bullet except- my youngest got it last week. Far as we can tell, caught it at school. Rest of us so far tested negative with no symptoms.
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My household just tested positive yesterday! Right after I filled out the poll earlier this week. I don't know how to change my response though.
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Had it early January 2020, not tested because at that time they weren't testing anyone in our city who hadn't travelled to China recently. Turns out our son had a coworker who was going back and forth to Wuhan to care for sick family members all through the fall, right up until Christmas. She brought back what everyone thought was the flu and gave it to half her coworkers. Son was very sick at Christmas, I got sick 7 days later. Stayed sick for 3 months! I still have taste and smell issues, but that is gradually getting better. The hearing loss will never get better unfortunately. My GP said she was very confident in saying that I had the original covid, and was lucky to have not ended up in ICU. It was close for a few days, but the virus mostly stayed up in my sinuses and bronchial airways and not my lungs, so I was able to stay at home.
Second time was this past Easter. Was triple vaxxed at the time. Tested positive on a RAT on day 5. Not that bad, except for the sore throat that lingered for weeks. Otherwise it was just a mild cold. I am now quadruple vaxxed, so if I get it again hopefully it will be mild again.
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My household just tested positive yesterday! Right after I filled out the poll earlier this week. I don't know how to change my response though.
You should be able to remove Vote, and re-vote . I was able to do it earlier to test from my desktop, but I don't see the option any more? Maybe you're limited to once?
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My household just tested positive yesterday! Right after I filled out the poll earlier this week. I don't know how to change my response though.
You should be able to remove Vote, and re-vote . I was able to do it earlier to test from my desktop, but I don't see the option any more? Maybe you're limited to once?
I don't have the option at all but only voted once -- perhaps its time limited?
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My household just tested positive yesterday! Right after I filled out the poll earlier this week. I don't know how to change my response though.
You should be able to remove Vote, and re-vote . I was able to do it earlier to test from my desktop, but I don't see the option any more? Maybe you're limited to once?
I don't have the option at all but only voted once -- perhaps its time limited?
Oh, shoot... yeah, it could be that too. Not the best data if people can't change their vote as time goes on!
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I avoided it for so long but finally caught it in April. Triple vaxxed, and I got it playing sports unmasked I believe, or socializing afterwards. I had a very mild case, just a slight fever one day, some sniffles and cough for 2-3 more days, then I felt totally fine. Tested positive on a rapid test on the second day of symptoms, had been negative two days before. No lingering side-effects. Funnily enough I didn't catch it when my partner had it, we social distanced at home and slept in separate beds until he tested negative.
Pretty similar here - successfully avoided it until May. DS4 thought he had a cold, I googled Covid symptoms for omicron and realised they overlap quite a bit now - he tested positive. I got symptoms (sore throat, fever, eventually congested and post nasal drip induced mild cough) a few days later, but was another 2 days before I tested positive. DS5 and DH never got symptoms or tested positive.
A few days after my quarantine ended and I returned to work, my boss tested positive. She apparently got it from her SO, who got it from work. Same day, a friend's daughter tested positive. The next week we had the annual system dinner (boss was still in quarantine). Later in the week, a board member who had attended with us (our table) tested positive.
This newest variant is much more contagious, and since mask mandates were dropped around March, I've heard of many more people getting it. My brother and his wife skipped family Easter due to Covid, and DD3+SIL had been exposed twice that same week.
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Yes twice; once fever 1 day fine by day 3, 2nd time no symptoms but was exposed tested and positive
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
10 parents from a single elementary school? I believe what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that if this is true, it's a massive anomaly. If we estimate an elementary school of 500, assuming 2 parents for every 2 children (or, one parent per child on average), and a 75% covid infection rate that would be 375 sick parents. The national average for death rate for the age group from 30-49 years of age is (likely age group of elementary aged parents) 0.3% so it would be expected for 1 parent to have died in this hypothetical elementary school. Is there some sort of really common comorbidity at this school? is it a massive anti-vax area? A 10X expected death rate seems odd...
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
10 parents from a single elementary school? I believe what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that if this is true, it's a massive anomaly. If we estimate an elementary school of 500, assuming 2 parents for every 2 children (or, one parent per child on average), and a 75% covid infection rate that would be 375 sick parents. The national average for death rate for the age group from 30-49 years of age is (likely age group of elementary aged parents) 0.3% so it would be expected for 1 parent to have died in this hypothetical elementary school. Is there some sort of really common comorbidity at this school? is it a massive anti-vax area? A 10X expected death rate seems odd...
Some of my local elementary schools have 600-700 students.
My husband and I are in our 50s with a 9 year old...and we aren't the oldest parents in the school. I'd expect the same is possibly true for the WDC area.
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
10 parents from a single elementary school? I believe what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that if this is true, it's a massive anomaly. If we estimate an elementary school of 500, assuming 2 parents for every 2 children (or, one parent per child on average), and a 75% covid infection rate that would be 375 sick parents. The national average for death rate for the age group from 30-49 years of age is (likely age group of elementary aged parents) 0.3% so it would be expected for 1 parent to have died in this hypothetical elementary school. Is there some sort of really common comorbidity at this school? is it a massive anti-vax area? A 10X expected death rate seems odd...
Some of my local elementary schools have 600-700 students.
My husband and I are in our 50s with a 9 year old...and we aren't the oldest parents in the school. I'd expect the same is possibly true for the WDC area.
Yes, of course. There are going to be parents younger than 30 and older than 49 in a any given elementary school, but I am confident the average is within the 30-49 range. My point is that a 3% infection mortality rate for elementary school parents is an extreme anomaly.
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Elementary schools in my area have close to 1000 kids. Covid has been killing people for 2 years now. I know people who've had it 3 times. 10 parents does not surprise me...especially where people are poor and forced to work in "essential" positions.
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I am fairly sure no. Since about a year ago I am tested 1-2x a week through my job (once a week through the summer, at least times a week since November). We are also fairly careful because my youngest is still ineligible for a vaccine. We avoid crowded places, do outdoor activities,
wear masks around others (N95s since Omicron in grocery stores) and rapid test before seeing friends or family inside, or when anyone has symptoms. My oldest had it once through a daycare outbreak, but no one else got it.
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Nope, as far as I can tell - I had twice a week workplace testing for quite some time after they brought us back to the office, so I definitely did not have it during that time, and before that I was very, very isolated due to working from home and having everything shut down, and the various vaccine mandates once things did open up. I think most people I know have had it by now, some more than once. I'm fairly hermit-like in the best of times, so my odds are fairly good at staying uninfected.
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I don't think so, either, but am skeptical. I had two "colds" in May, the first incredibly mild - probably wouldn't have even noticed my symptoms back in 2019. I was just starting to believe, by my 3rd test/1st PCR test (on Day 5) that I really didn't have it when I read that even a PCR test on Days 5-7 (the "gold standard") can have a 20% false negative rate. I subsequently got one more negative PCR, so I trust it a little more, but I'm still shrugging about it if they really can have such high false negativity rates. It seems like RATs are pretty much meaningless unless it gives you a positive.
More negatives (RAT only) for the second cold and I'm really hoping this one is true or true enough to keep testing negative on a RAT since I need that a week from today to come back to the US. Given my previous statement about how insensitive it seems RATs are, I should feel confident about testing negative next week, esp. since it will be a good 2 weeks after my last "cold". But I'm feeling paranoid and looking forward to going back to being in the controlled environment of home and not needing to eat out so much, not being a tourist around so many other tourists, etc.
This may seem twisted, but I'm taking more confidence that it's not COVID from the fact that my two travel partners don't seem to have gotten anything from me, which implies something much less transmissible than this incredibly contagious disease. I certainly didn't mean to experiment on them, but I do wonder if that info is not more conclusive than a RAT.
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Yep! Triple vaxxed. I got it along with my two kids in the beginning of May this year. For me it was a mild cold for two days and thereafter feeling winded more easily than usual for about a week. My 5 year old daughter had no symptoms but tested positive. My 7 year old son was more tired than usual for two days and then fine. Kids were vaxxed in fall 2021. Husband tested negative the whole time with several home tests and a PCR test but we're skeptical of the tests because he had some symptoms. He also was triple vaxxed.
For us, it really wasn't a big deal other than having to isolate/quarantine for about two weeks all told. We're out in public all the time. I'm a classroom teacher and we haven't been remote since last year. My kids are in school 100% of the time. Considering all that I figured it was just a matter of time.
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
10 parents from a single elementary school? I believe what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that if this is true, it's a massive anomaly. If we estimate an elementary school of 500, assuming 2 parents for every 2 children (or, one parent per child on average), and a 75% covid infection rate that would be 375 sick parents. The national average for death rate for the age group from 30-49 years of age is (likely age group of elementary aged parents) 0.3% so it would be expected for 1 parent to have died in this hypothetical elementary school. Is there some sort of really common comorbidity at this school? is it a massive anti-vax area? A 10X expected death rate seems odd...
Some of my local elementary schools have 600-700 students.
My husband and I are in our 50s with a 9 year old...and we aren't the oldest parents in the school. I'd expect the same is possibly true for the WDC area.
Yes, of course. There are going to be parents younger than 30 and older than 49 in a any given elementary school, but I am confident the average is within the 30-49 range. My point is that a 3% infection mortality rate for elementary school parents is an extreme anomaly.
I'm in my mid 40s. I personally know of 4 former classmates who passed away due to COVID. I graduated with 390 other folks. After getting COVID myself (I am vaxed and boosted), I am not surprised by this at all.
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I haven't had it, but I know personally (knew) more than 5 people who have died from it and the elementary school 1 block from my house has lost more than 10 parents to it (that I know of...could be more).
I just think it's important to keep that in mind -- this shi still kills people.
10 parents from a single elementary school? I believe what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that if this is true, it's a massive anomaly. If we estimate an elementary school of 500, assuming 2 parents for every 2 children (or, one parent per child on average), and a 75% covid infection rate that would be 375 sick parents. The national average for death rate for the age group from 30-49 years of age is (likely age group of elementary aged parents) 0.3% so it would be expected for 1 parent to have died in this hypothetical elementary school. Is there some sort of really common comorbidity at this school? is it a massive anti-vax area? A 10X expected death rate seems odd...
I live in a mixed-race and mixed-income community. Million dollar houses next to section 8. The people who have been dying are poor and black and never had the option to work from home, or even quarantine. Anybody (not directed at you) who says "I don't know anyone who ... makes me irate because it's clear they don't know the people who perform all the services that make our lives easier. Yeah, it's a lot. And every time someone died, there was a GoFundMe to pay for a funeral. Also, I'm including guardians (grandparents/aunts) as "parents", because a good portion of the poor kids at the elementary school lived with their grandparents. One family on the next block lost both the adults (grandparents) and the kids had to leave school and go somewhere else.
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I live in a mixed-race and mixed-income community. Million dollar houses next to section 8. The people who have been dying are poor and black and never had the option to work from home, or even quarantine. Anybody (not directed at you) who says "I don't know anyone who ... makes me irate because it's clear they don't know the people who perform all the services that make our lives easier. Yeah, it's a lot. And every time someone died, there was a GoFundMe to pay for a funeral. Also, I'm including guardians (grandparents/aunts) as "parents", because a good portion of the poor kids at the elementary school lived with their grandparents. One family on the next block lost both the adults (grandparents) and the kids had to leave school and go somewhere else.
Yeah, some of us are quite isolated from it due to our circumstances. In my current daily life I can't even remember the last time I heard of someone having it and nobody I know personally died from it during the whole of the pandemic. The closest I can get is a friend that had a relative die and one family friend that was very sick for a month. It's a surprising and good reminder to see on the news that it's still going on. If not for that reminder I'm sure many of us would have already forgotten while there are still so many struggling.
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Well, spoke too soon - I just tested positive yesterday. Not too bad so far, I've been mostly sleeping a lot, and my workplace has very good policies with regards to Covid time off.
Most people I know have had Covid by now, but I also know zero people who have been hospitalized or died from it. A big factor there that people don't really talk about is obesity - I live in the slimmest area of Canada, and my social circle is very active and healthy. I always get a bit of a shock when I'm in the US at how large people are, and of course that's a huge risk factor for severe Covid.
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Well, spoke too soon - I just tested positive yesterday. Not too bad so far, I've been mostly sleeping a lot, and my workplace has very good policies with regards to Covid time off.
Most people I know have had Covid by now, but I also know zero people who have been hospitalized or died from it. A big factor there that people don't really talk about is obesity - I live in the slimmest area of Canada, and my social circle is very active and healthy. I always get a bit of a shock when I'm in the US at how large people are, and of course that's a huge risk factor for severe Covid.
My roommate tested positive yesterday, and half of friends' family (one parent & one kid) also did within the last week. Previously to this wave, most people in my close social circle had escaped covid thus far. That's changing fast.
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Also spoke too soon. Got it last weekend. Felt pretty horrible for one day, then generally rough for the next two days. I feel fine at this point but I have a lingering cough that shows up randomly while I'm trying to sleep or talk.
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Also spoke too soon. Got it last weekend. Felt pretty horrible for one day, then generally rough for the next two days. I feel fine at this point but I have a lingering cough that shows up randomly while I'm trying to sleep or talk.
Yeah, I'm on Day 4 now and honestly feeling mostly fine, just a little fatigued, getting cold easily, and coughing a bit here and there. The first two days were fairly bad, but I just slept through that mostly. Now I'm just waiting out my isolation in my comfy reading chair with a big stack of books.
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Also spoke too soon. Got it last weekend. Felt pretty horrible for one day, then generally rough for the next two days. I feel fine at this point but I have a lingering cough that shows up randomly while I'm trying to sleep or talk.
Yeah, I'm on Day 4 now and honestly feeling mostly fine, just a little fatigued, getting cold easily, and coughing a bit here and there. The first two days were fairly bad, but I just slept through that mostly. Now I'm just waiting out my isolation in my comfy reading chair with a big stack of books.
Get well soon @Zikoris
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We just got over it. Sleepy for the first 2 days but the sniffles and drainage lasted almost 2 weeks. It wasn't enough to cancel a hiking trip though (quarantine!).
I'm pretty sure a blood test can determine vaccine vs viral response.
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Has anyone had a sequencing test done? My positive test came via a CUE reader and they offered a sequencing kit - I got results a few weeks later of Omicron BA2.
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Also spoke too soon. Got it last weekend. Felt pretty horrible for one day, then generally rough for the next two days. I feel fine at this point but I have a lingering cough that shows up randomly while I'm trying to sleep or talk.
Yeah, I'm on Day 4 now and honestly feeling mostly fine, just a little fatigued, getting cold easily, and coughing a bit here and there. The first two days were fairly bad, but I just slept through that mostly. Now I'm just waiting out my isolation in my comfy reading chair with a big stack of books.
Get well soon @Zikoris
Feel better @Zikoris
I have a friend who was to visit Thursday a nd stay the weekend with her husband who has it. They were mid-trip when she got symptoms and had to quarantine first at another friend's house and are now in a motel in my town. It just seems like the way we live now.
So far no one in my immediate family has contracted it, but it seems so close, yet not fatal for most with the current variant, so there's that.
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Well, spoke too soon - I just tested positive yesterday. Not too bad so far, I've been mostly sleeping a lot, and my workplace has very good policies with regards to Covid time off.
Most people I know have had Covid by now, but I also know zero people who have been hospitalized or died from it. A big factor there that people don't really talk about is obesity - I live in the slimmest area of Canada, and my social circle is very active and healthy. I always get a bit of a shock when I'm in the US at how large people are, and of course that's a huge risk factor for severe Covid.
My roommate tested positive yesterday, and half of friends' family (one parent & one kid) also did within the last week. Previously to this wave, most people in my close social circle had escaped covid thus far. That's changing fast.
Seems to be. I know so many folks who have either had it within the last few weeks (including myself and daughter) or currently have it. It's crazy.
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Well, spoke too soon - I just tested positive yesterday. Not too bad so far, I've been mostly sleeping a lot, and my workplace has very good policies with regards to Covid time off.
Most people I know have had Covid by now, but I also know zero people who have been hospitalized or died from it. A big factor there that people don't really talk about is obesity - I live in the slimmest area of Canada, and my social circle is very active and healthy. I always get a bit of a shock when I'm in the US at how large people are, and of course that's a huge risk factor for severe Covid.
My roommate tested positive yesterday, and half of friends' family (one parent & one kid) also did within the last week. Previously to this wave, most people in my close social circle had escaped covid thus far. That's changing fast.
Seems to be. I know so many folks who have either had it within the last few weeks (including myself and daughter) or currently have it. It's crazy.
Me, too. As of today, I still haven't had it, but wow, in the past couple of weeks, a LOT of my friends have contracted it for the first or second time. This is the first time I can remember that so many people I know have it that I can't name the number off the top of my head.
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I voted no when this was posted, but that's no longer the case. I tested positive this morning. I'm not totally certain where I got it, as I haven't really been too close to other people. My best guess is that I contracted it while grocery shopping last weekend.
Today is my wife's birthday, and we had planned for her to spend the whole day with friends while I watched the kiddo. Looks like that won't be happening now, and yesterday was my last day at my previous job. I'm glad I decided to take a week off between jobs, as this would be a pretty miserable first day.
Symptoms include body aches, congestion, and chills.
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Get well soon to everyone who has gotten it in the last few weeks!
It really bums me out that even though I selected "allow users to change response", that ability is no longer available? I was hoping it would be interesting to watch the results over time if people were able to change their response... oh well.
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Nope, no COVID. We've been in lockdown in Shanghai since the end of March, as in Chinese lockdown where we can't leave our compound. Lockdown was lifted beginning of June, but we get a NAT every other day, so we're pretty sure we don't have COVID, and with the dynamic zero COVID policy, we're highly unlikely to get COVID.
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I am fairly sure no. Since about a year ago I am tested 1-2x a week through my job (once a week through the summer, at least times a week since November). We are also fairly careful because my youngest is still ineligible for a vaccine. We avoid crowded places, do outdoor activities, wear masks around others (N95s since Omicron in grocery stores) and rapid test before seeing friends or family inside, or when anyone has symptoms. My oldest had it once through a daycare outbreak, but no one else got it.
I voted no, but as of today daycare removed all precautions so I'm quite certain we'll have it in a month. You can now have a positive person in your house, but go in unmasked and untested to daycare (testing day 2 and 5 only) with the hordes of unvaccinated little kids that touch/mouth everything. What could possibly go wrong?!
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I had it a few weeks ago. The younger kid brought a cough home from school. DW got sick a couple days later, and ended up testing positive for Covid. A few days later I got it as well. Felt like dogshit for about 3 days, then felt fine for the next couple (in BC we are expected to quarantine for 5 days or until symptoms and fever are gone, whichever is more). Got a lot of work done in the yard after I felt better.
I'm triple vaxed because I work a frontline job, healthcare adjacent. I credit that with the virus just making me feel crappy for a couple days, and seriously reducing my risk of riding a ventilator.
I still feel it a bit at the gym, lower capacity on the hard cardio pushes.
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I've had it at least twice, though both cases were untested. Dec 2019 and Dec 2021. Got it right around Christmas Eve both times.
I had been told at one point that if you had a reaction to the first shot (as opposed to the second) that you likely had COVID previously.
Like a different reaction between the two shots, or a reaction to the first and none to the second? I'm not sure I know anyone who had no reactions to the vaccines.
I’m not sure what you mean by “reaction “but a tiny bit of arm soreness is what I had. At least two out of three times. I don’t really think I had much the first time.
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Haven't had it so far. Even attending a corporate mandated superspreader event incl. full, unmasked plane trips did not impact me. Mind you, I don't have or interact with kids and my general exposure outside of such office things is limited.
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I am fairly sure no. Since about a year ago I am tested 1-2x a week through my job (once a week through the summer, at least times a week since November). We are also fairly careful because my youngest is still ineligible for a vaccine. We avoid crowded places, do outdoor activities, wear masks around others (N95s since Omicron in grocery stores) and rapid test before seeing friends or family inside, or when anyone has symptoms. My oldest had it once through a daycare outbreak, but no one else got it.
I voted no, but as of today daycare removed all precautions so I'm quite certain we'll have it in a month. You can now have a positive person in your house, but go in unmasked and untested to daycare (testing day 2 and 5 only) with the hordes of unvaccinated little kids that touch/mouth everything. What could possibly go wrong?!
You know, this is what I thought when our preschool dropped mask req's for the staff and parents. And as for kids? I don't think they've ever been masked there. I was really sure we would very soon after get COVID. I was pleasantly surprised that we went many months without catching it. The fact that we reenrolled and got through a year of preschool, half of that without serious precautions, was pretty cool.
In the end, though, we got it a couple weeks ago. Through preschool. I mean, we PROBABLY would have gotten it even if staff & parents were masked around the kids, but even I am not for requiring masks for toddlers and teachers 8+ hours straight a day at this point. But... I do not find it a coincidence that my preschooler got COVID only when masking up became the minority decision in my local community.
I can understand 'wanting to get back to normal', not totally shutting down one's life for what is minor illness for most at this point with vaccination availability, quarantining for 2 weeks being unreasonable, blah blah blah. I live in a fairly progressive area that had taken measures fairly seriously, and masking up was totally common until fairly recently. Now? I'm in the minority when I go into a grocery store with anything covering my face.
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Add another to the list of spoke too soon. Voted no a few days ago and tested positive this morning.
I've had 3 shots of moderna. Sore throat, congestion, and just generally feeling bad so far.
I've also learned that when it comes to the at home tests, the speed at which the positive result shows up and how dark it gets is indicative of infectiousness.
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Add another to the list of spoke too soon. Voted no a few days ago and tested positive this morning.
I've had 3 shots of moderna. Sore throat, congestion, and just generally feeling bad so far.
I've also learned that when it comes to the at home tests, the speed at which the positive result shows up and how dark it gets is indicative of infectiousness.
What leads you to that conclusion? My results showed clearly within seconds, and yet four days later I have yet to pass it on to the rest of my household.
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I am fairly sure no. Since about a year ago I am tested 1-2x a week through my job (once a week through the summer, at least times a week since November). We are also fairly careful because my youngest is still ineligible for a vaccine. We avoid crowded places, do outdoor activities, wear masks around others (N95s since Omicron in grocery stores) and rapid test before seeing friends or family inside, or when anyone has symptoms. My oldest had it once through a daycare outbreak, but no one else got it.
I voted no, but as of today daycare removed all precautions so I'm quite certain we'll have it in a month. You can now have a positive person in your house, but go in unmasked and untested to daycare (testing day 2 and 5 only) with the hordes of unvaccinated little kids that touch/mouth everything. What could possibly go wrong?!
You know, this is what I thought when our preschool dropped mask req's for the staff and parents. And as for kids? I don't think they've ever been masked there. I was really sure we would very soon after get COVID. I was pleasantly surprised that we went many months without catching it. The fact that we reenrolled and got through a year of preschool, half of that without serious precautions, was pretty cool.
In the end, though, we got it a couple weeks ago. Through preschool. I mean, we PROBABLY would have gotten it even if staff & parents were masked around the kids, but even I am not for requiring masks for toddlers and teachers 8+ hours straight a day at this point. But... I do not find it a coincidence that my preschooler got COVID only when masking up became the minority decision in my local community.
I can understand 'wanting to get back to normal', not totally shutting down one's life for what is minor illness for most at this point with vaccination availability, quarantining for 2 weeks being unreasonable, blah blah blah. I live in a fairly progressive area that had taken measures fairly seriously, and masking up was totally common until fairly recently. Now? I'm in the minority when I go into a grocery store with anything covering my face.
I understand wanting to relax things, but I feel they went too far too quickly. I proposed that they consider:
1) Requiring masks for 10 days after an exposure, to limit the chances of it going around a classroom
2) Requiring testing every day when you have a continuing exposure to a COVID positive person in your house, rather than just day 2 and 5.
As it stands, you can have someone in your house with COVID, but keep going in unmasked, and won't find out you've exposed everyone until a few days later.
I hear your experience, but mine is that they removed masks last summer and less than 3 week later, 25 people had it, including my kid (who continued to mask, but masks protect others more than oneself - this was in the days before readily accessible child N95s), so I'm still raw about that.
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Well, damn. Coworker is sick, positive covid test. Came home and tested, there's maybe a very faint line. Maybe. Will work from home tomorrow, then retest tomorrow night.
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Every few months a sample of Australian blood donations are screened for antibodies. In June 46% showed the antibodies. It was even higher, way more than half, in the younger donors. It's not going to be a perfect sample but you could reasonably expect that half of Australians have had Covid now. Not me, but it can't be long!
Number of Australians who have had COVID-19 jumps in June survey of blood samples - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/almost-half-of-australians-had-a-recent-case-of-covid-by-june/101271784
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To my knowledge, I have not had COVID and neither has my son, who was been in school in person since January 2021. We have both been directly exposed dozens of times.
My city did fuck-all in terms of quarantine and distancing, my workplace has the most toxic come-in-sick culture I've ever known, and COVID has been absolutely everywhere. I don't understand how we haven't had it; I get EVERYTHING. I've had colds and coughs and stomach bugs. Somehow, zero positive tests.
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Welp, I managed to avoid it for over two years then attended my grandparents' & aunts' Celebration of Life (Celebration of Lives?) and now at least nine of us have tested positive and I am sure there are many more.
I was away for almost a week, and have now been in my basement for five days with my kids and DH upstairs. They are all leaving tomorrow for a week-long holiday that I am now not attending. I miss my DH and even my kids! (LoL)
We wanted to finally honour their lives, but we got complacent and are paying the price. Lesson learned! Covid is still real and still kicking people down all over the place.
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To my knowledge, I have not had COVID and neither has my son, who was been in school in person since January 2021. We have both been directly exposed dozens of times.
My city did fuck-all in terms of quarantine and distancing, my workplace has the most toxic come-in-sick culture I've ever known, and COVID has been absolutely everywhere. I don't understand how we haven't had it; I get EVERYTHING. I've had colds and coughs and stomach bugs. Somehow, zero positive tests.
Have you been doing much asymptomatic testing? Even if you have, maybe you had it....when I was sick a couple months back, I had several negative RATs and a negative PCR test on Day 5 (the "gold standard"). I had to have another PCR test for travel purposes and while waiting for the results I stupidly googled false negative rates, and learned even a PCR test on Day 5-7 of symptoms can have as much as a 20% false negative rate which truly blew me away. Somehow, I was still negative on my (Day 6) PCR test so I decided with that many negatives in my pocket I would trust it, but frankly any single test results has been meaningless in my mind since then.
To my knowledge I still haven't had it. DH got it a month ago and we masked up in the house for over a week, but since so much info says people are most infectious on the first couple days before symptoms even start and we were taking no precautions then (not to mention I did all the same things he did when he was presumably exposed), I have no idea why I didn't get it at the same time. I suspect one of the times I felt a little off and just kept testing negative just before that, I actually did have it.
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To my knowledge, I have not had COVID and neither has my son, who was been in school in person since January 2021. We have both been directly exposed dozens of times.
My city did fuck-all in terms of quarantine and distancing, my workplace has the most toxic come-in-sick culture I've ever known, and COVID has been absolutely everywhere. I don't understand how we haven't had it; I get EVERYTHING. I've had colds and coughs and stomach bugs. Somehow, zero positive tests.
Have you been doing much asymptomatic testing? Even if you have, maybe you had it....when I was sick a couple months back, I had several negative RATs and a negative PCR test on Day 5 (the "gold standard"). I had to have another PCR test for travel purposes and while waiting for the results I stupidly googled false negative rates, and learned even a PCR test on Day 5-7 of symptoms can have as much as a 20% false negative rate which truly blew me away. Somehow, I was still negative on my (Day 6) PCR test so I decided with that many negatives in my pocket I would trust it, but frankly any single test results has been meaningless in my mind since then.
To my knowledge I still haven't had it. DH got it a month ago and we masked up in the house for over a week, but since so much info says people are most infectious on the first couple days before symptoms even start and we were taking no precautions then (not to mention I did all the same things he did when he was presumably exposed), I have no idea why I didn't get it at the same time. I suspect one of the times I felt a little off and just kept testing negative just before that, I actually did have it.
I have not done asymptomatic testing unless I knew of an exposure (like when 6 people I share an office with all had it). Of course, I could have had it asymptomatically; I guess I just expected that if I had it, I would be quite sick, since I am prone to upper respiratory infections and have other risk factors.
I did feel very unwell after my first vaccine, rather than my second, which is supposedly a sign you have had it.
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Well, damn. Coworker is sick, positive covid test. Came home and tested, there's maybe a very faint line. Maybe. Will work from home tomorrow, then retest tomorrow night.
Yep, I've got covid. Am sick. Mild so far.
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just getting back to work. a fever for a few days and a slight cough and runny nose. not the most fun i've had but it wasn't awful. we've had all our shots.
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No covid yet!
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We still haven't had Covid but we feel like the last ones standing. Both my elderly parents (quadruple vaxxed) have had it with just cold symptoms. I think a lot of this is sheer luck but another part is that they've relaxed masking rules here in Italy so most people aren't wearing masks at work, in the supermarket, on public transport. We, on the other hand, are still wearing FFP2 masks whenever we're inside in a public space. I'm pretty sure that that has saved us - along with sheer luck and vaccines of course.
I liked @BlueHouse 's point above re socio economic circumstances. The hardest hit areas both here and in the US have been the poorest areas. It seems that many people on here live very segregated lives in which they didn't know a lot of service workers and blue collar workers who had to work throughout the pandemic. During the later part of 2020 my husband was working in a factory and it never closed down even during our severe lockdown as it makes 'essential goods'. Our kids also go to a very economically mixed school and several parents and grandparents that we know died of Covid. I also know one person at work who died but he had a very high level job. Not sure how he got it but he was an ultra fit 60 year old who ran marathons. He died very quickly of Covid during May 2020. Anyway, I guess the fact that we know quite a few people who died of Covid is connected to the fact that we maybe live a less economically segregated life.
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Still haven't had it yet as far as I know, but my sister and her husband finally came down with it last weekend. They said it was pretty bad but they were able to get paxlovid on day three or four and are starting to improve.
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Positive right now, and don't feel a thing. I had a fever and a sinus problem for about four days two weeks ago, but tested negative. A couple days after I started to recover I tested positive. Whether that was actually COVID or I caught it from someone a week after catching a cold I don't know. I'm still testing positive six days after my first test.
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Yes, I had original Covid before being vaccinated. It was the sickest I’ve ever been, and as far as Covid cases go, it would be considered mild. After the pain was gone, I got to deal with months of fatigue and brain fog. I kinda feel like I’m still dealing with it 18 months later. Covid is not joke.
That said, I’m also now vaccinated and boosted. I suspect I had it again 6 months ago with minimal impact. I take zero precautions today and don’t really think about Covid anymore.
Bottom line? Covid is bad. Vaccinations are good. Covid after vaccination is much less of a concern and basically a cold. Hopefully.
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Yes, I had original Covid before being vaccinated. It was the sickest I’ve ever been, and as far as Covid cases go, it would be considered mild. After the pain was gone, I got to deal with months of fatigue and brain fog. I kinda feel like I’m still dealing with it 18 months later. Covid is not joke.
That said, I’m also now vaccinated and boosted. I suspect I had it again 6 months ago with minimal impact. I take zero precautions today and don’t really think about Covid anymore.
Bottom line? Covid is bad. Vaccinations are good. Covid after vaccination is much less of a concern and basically a cold. Hopefully.
Yeah except 10s if not 100s of thousands have died even after vaccination. Hard to understand the virus sometimes...
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Yes, I had original Covid before being vaccinated. It was the sickest I’ve ever been, and as far as Covid cases go, it would be considered mild. After the pain was gone, I got to deal with months of fatigue and brain fog. I kinda feel like I’m still dealing with it 18 months later. Covid is not joke.
That said, I’m also now vaccinated and boosted. I suspect I had it again 6 months ago with minimal impact. I take zero precautions today and don’t really think about Covid anymore.
Bottom line? Covid is bad. Vaccinations are good. Covid after vaccination is much less of a concern and basically a cold. Hopefully.
Yeah except 10s if not 100s of thousands have died even after vaccination. Hard to understand the virus sometimes...
Yeah… nope.
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No. And someone in my household has had it twice (April with mild symptoms and beginning of the month with no symptoms) and someone else in our household went to kindergarten this year. LOL
So we’ve tested plenty.
We’re all vaxed and boosted and dh and I still wear masks to go inside anyplace.
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Every few months a sample of Australian blood donations are screened for antibodies. In June 46% showed the antibodies. It was even higher, way more than half, in the younger donors. It's not going to be a perfect sample but you could reasonably expect that half of Australians have had Covid now. Not me, but it can't be long!
Number of Australians who have had COVID-19 jumps in June survey of blood samples - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/almost-half-of-australians-had-a-recent-case-of-covid-by-june/101271784
Don't vaccinated people also have antibodies? If so, then all these blood donations would be from non-vaxxed people?
Update: I still haven't got it, but I live a fairly isolated life. my sister & her husband recently got it, went on Paxlovid almost immediately. BIL is recovered. Sister recovered and then rebounded. She's feeling pretty weak and tired, but says it's mild.
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Nope, though I have never taken a Covid test either. Fully vaccinated and single booster (so far).
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Every few months a sample of Australian blood donations are screened for antibodies. In June 46% showed the antibodies. It was even higher, way more than half, in the younger donors. It's not going to be a perfect sample but you could reasonably expect that half of Australians have had Covid now. Not me, but it can't be long!
Number of Australians who have had COVID-19 jumps in June survey of blood samples - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/almost-half-of-australians-had-a-recent-case-of-covid-by-june/101271784
Don't vaccinated people also have antibodies? If so, then all these blood donations would be from non-vaxxed people?
I don't know how the screening works, but a few months ago the antibodies rate was 17% whereas 96% of adults have had 2 vax doses and 71% have had 3 vax doses.
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Every few months a sample of Australian blood donations are screened for antibodies. In June 46% showed the antibodies. It was even higher, way more than half, in the younger donors. It's not going to be a perfect sample but you could reasonably expect that half of Australians have had Covid now. Not me, but it can't be long!
Number of Australians who have had COVID-19 jumps in June survey of blood samples - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/almost-half-of-australians-had-a-recent-case-of-covid-by-june/101271784
Don't vaccinated people also have antibodies? If so, then all these blood donations would be from non-vaxxed people?
I don't know how the screening works, but a few months ago the antibodies rate was 17% whereas 96% of adults have had 2 vax doses and 71% have had 3 vax doses.
I wondered about this, but evidently it’s different antibodies.
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Tested positive for the first time yesterday. Day 3 of a sore throat, very minor sinus congestion, and achy joints. Day 1 I felt like a wreck. Very tired. Yesterday and today my energy level feels fine but I can’t shake this sore throat.
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I had it in early April. Not really sure where I picked it up.
Sore throat started Monday night, Wednesday and Thursday were the worst of it (fatigue was the worst part), and by Saturday I was 95% better.
I quarantined away from my SO, and she didn't get it at the time. But a month later she ended up getting it anyway.
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We thought my partner got it; after being sooo careful (for real) she went to an unmasked wedding a few weeks ago!
Symptoms started soon after: runny nose, congestion, hacking cough, achy joints, slight chills, but nothing serious, just "sick". She did four tests, all negative.
A week later as she was on the mend I got the same symptoms. Two tests, both negative. One was throat/nose, one was nose only.
It did make me wonder about the tests so I checked the expiration date: 07/09/22
So who knows, I'll just stay away from people for a bit I guess.
I think going out in public with a hacking cough is a shaming offense!
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We thought my partner got it; after being sooo careful (for real) she went to an unmasked wedding a few weeks ago!
Symptoms started soon after: runny nose, congestion, hacking cough, achy joints, slight chills, but nothing serious, just "sick". She did four tests, all negative.
A week later as she was on the mend I got the same symptoms. Two tests, both negative. One was throat/nose, one was nose only.
It did make me wonder about the tests so I checked the expiration date: 07/09/22
So who knows, I'll just stay away from people for a bit I guess.
I think going out in public with a hacking cough is a shaming offense!
If you want to have more confidence in your result, perhaps see if there is community testing in your area. We've had a handful of PCR tests done between our doctor, community testing sites, etc., all free and/or covered by insurance.
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Still haven't had it, at least not to my knowledge, i.e. only negative tests, no symptoms.
Despite a few corporate spreader events.
Statistically, I am not at risk from Omicron on almost all counts. Still, will be cautious this winter - but if no new fatal variant emerges until spring, I will consider Covid-19 truely over.
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Still unknown. I have to imagine I have had it, but the only times I was sick was before it was in my area supposedly. Haven't been sick a single time after the initial lockdown even though I was regularly out and about. Very strange.
One of the guys I work with just got it for the first time this month, so it's still happening...
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I still haven't had it, as far as I know. Even in my super liberal and COVID compliant area, only about 5-10% of people are wearing masks anymore. I don't mind wearing it and since it never seems like a convenient time to get sick, I mostly still am, and no one is weird about it (again, prob cuz of where I live) so that's cool. I do eat at indoor restaurants and things like that now without worrying too much, but I still take extra precuations (like not eating at indoor restaurants) in the week or two before I have something big happening that I wouldn't want to miss, like flying to see friends I haven't seen since before COVID.
I'm getting the new Omicron booster next week.
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We’ve had Covid toes a few times in my family but never the respiratory symptoms. Didn’t test when we saw the toe issue because docs at the time weren’t linking the two. Anyone else had Covid toes?
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
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I still haven't had it, as far as I know. Even in my super liberal and COVID compliant area, only about 5-10% of people are wearing masks anymore. I don't mind wearing it and since it never seems like a convenient time to get sick, I mostly still am, and no one is weird about it (again, prob cuz of where I live) so that's cool. I do eat at indoor restaurants and things like that now without worrying too much, but I still take extra precuations (like not eating at indoor restaurants) in the week or two before I have something big happening that I wouldn't want to miss, like flying to see friends I haven't seen since before COVID.
I'm getting the new Omicron booster next week.
We are also in an area where one would expect high Covid compliance. DH and I went to “the mall” today (which we never ever do) bc I wanted to go to the Apple store to physically check out a laptop I was planning to buy before actually purchasing it. I’d say about 5% of people were masked. We were actually surprised it was that high.
This, a few days after our area reported a large spike in Covid in waste water, and the presence of a new variant.
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My niece has Covid, just after going back to campus. She and her sibs didn't get it when their parents had it in April.
DH and I got the new boosters today - the county was having a clinic at the Celtic Fest, and we already had plans to go, so very convenient. I registered us last night online, though they would do walk-ups. We got there early, saw they weren't busy, and asked if we needed to wait for our appt time. Oh, you must be DH & teen - let's get started. Obviously nearly no one else had registered. Good thing we did all the Q & A in advance - they couldn't get into the state website.
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Dang. Need to change my answer. Vacation covid.
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Sucks thay the ability to change vote seems to have timed out or something.
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Still no covid, and no one in my family has had it. Not my spouse, nor my 2 sets of parents, bio siblings, aunts/uncles, or cousins.
I have one non bio sibling who got it, and she visited me the day before she tested positive, but wasn't symptomatic yet.
And that's it, that's the closest I've come to it so far.
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Same here. No Covid yet in our family. DH & I are both fully vaxxed, he’s had one booster & I’ve had two. Neither of my living parents (one is a step) have had it either. We’ve just been really fortunate, so far…
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Same here. No Covid yet in our family. DH & I are both fully vaxxed, he’s had one booster & I’ve had two. Neither of my living parents (one is a step) have had it either. We’ve just been really fortunate, so far…
Yeah, were all quadruple vaxxed
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Also quadruple vaxxed and no covid in our family yet.
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I too need to change my answer now.
Our whole family probably got it during the Omicron spike in February, but we finally got positive tests in August. My wife and I were the only ones to get positive tests, none of our kids did - though we didn't try too hard since it's clear the cold they experienced while we were testing positive was COVID. Sticking a nasal swab up a 3-year-olds nose is no fun.
The day after the second shot was way worse than actually getting Covid. It was a cold - not nearly as bad as some colds, but no more than that. Some coughing, congestion, and sniffles for several days. We both got the original Moderna vaccine early in 2021 and no boosters since then. None of the kids ever got any vaccines.
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I selected most likely. I was the first one in my family with symptoms, but tested negative multiple times including taking a PCR. Shortly after my family tested positive with the same symptoms as did one of our close friends we traveled with.
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DW and I have not had COIVD yet (knock on wood). Offsprings had it (mild). DW and I will get the booster sometime soon. So will offpsring if they are eligible.
Most of the extended family has had it. One lost their smell and taste and hasn't regained it. A small number of them have had COVID more than once. Lots of anti-vac folks in hte mix in the extended family.
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Spouse and I have not had it yet to our knowledge, nor has my mother in law. All of our siblings, both my parents, his dad, and nieces/nephews in the extended family have had it, some multiple times. One death in the extended family and a few severe cases with long-term complications.
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My family hasn't had it yet but we may be getting a visit from the covid fairy soon. My husband went out for coffee with an old friend on Saturday and spent 2+ hours sitting at a tiny table with him unmasked. That friend just reached out to say his wife tested positive this morning and he hasn't taken a test yet but feels terrible and assumes he has it too. We'll keep an eye out over the next few days and probably have my husband take a test on Thursday (5 days after exposure) out of an abundance of caution.
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Covid fairy - hah, that's a new one!
As far as I know, I still haven't had it. Just waiting on the bivalent 4th shot, which hopefully will be within a month. Still wearing a N95 when out.
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
Covid Toes... they are very real! Been there, had that (multiple times...)
https://www.aad.org/public/diseases/coronavirus/covid-toes#:~:text=of%20rough%20skin.-,COVID%20toes%3A%20One%20or%20more%20toes%20may%20swell%20and%20turn,cream%20to%20the%20affected%20area. (https://www.aad.org/public/diseases/coronavirus/covid-toes#:~:text=of%20rough%20skin.-,COVID%20toes%3A%20One%20or%20more%20toes%20may%20swell%20and%20turn,cream%20to%20the%20affected%20area.)
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
Covid Toes... they are very real! Been there, had that (multiple times...)
https://www.aad.org/public/diseases/coronavirus/covid-toes#:~:text=of%20rough%20skin.-,COVID%20toes%3A%20One%20or%20more%20toes%20may%20swell%20and%20turn,cream%20to%20the%20affected%20area. (https://www.aad.org/public/diseases/coronavirus/covid-toes#:~:text=of%20rough%20skin.-,COVID%20toes%3A%20One%20or%20more%20toes%20may%20swell%20and%20turn,cream%20to%20the%20affected%20area.)
Hmm . . . I kick a heavy bag pretty regularly. If you misjudge the distance and whack the top of the foot rather than the shin your toes all turn purple and swell right up just like in those pictures. My feet look like that for large chunks of the year without being sick. :P
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Also need to change vote - had covid from August 3rd (symptoms - tested positive on the 5th) through August 23rd (negative test). Was not fun, particularly since we were out of town when I got sick, but ultimately got over it and doing fine now and was never even close to "maybe I should go to the hospital?".
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DH, an unvaccinated old guy, had it a couple of weeks ago. I, vaccinated, did not seem to catch it from him.
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Our family has also dodged the covid fairy, as far as we know. We adults just got our omicron boosters last week, which is shot #5 for each of us so far.
We decided early in the pandemic that we were surrounded by people who were fucking stupid, and that success would mean being considerably more careful than them. I was allowed to WFH, and DW was already taking a mini-retirement, so we knew victory was ours to lose.
The initial strategy was to hunker down and let the steakhouse, retail store, and church crowds build up herd immunity around us as they all caught the virus and suffered the organ damage. We would bide our time until a vaccine was available, and then emerge into a herd-immune world. I figured out that misinformation was being used as a tool to keep the economy going strong at the expense of human lives, and opted out of the whole "I'm proudly unmasked and going to the bar [cough, cough]" thing that a lot of my friends were doing.
We were some of the first in line for vaccines, but the news about breakthrough infections and quick re-infections challenged our plans for a quick victory based on herd immunity. Post-vaccination, we were considerably looser in 2021-22, but still avoided restaurants, retail, and other crowded indoor venues most of the time. We haven't been on an airplane since 2019. N95 masks also came available for retail purchase at this time, so we happily did our shopping and vacations masked, dialing things back as the various waves of infection came through. We just yesterday told our kid they can choose whether to wear a mask at school or not. They were the last one masked - an important life lesson on behaving differently than the crowd.
I'm pretty sure Biden will regret saying the pandemic is over, and we might still get COVID, but I thought I'd share what turned out to be the winning strategy in the "end". The keys were to understand that:
-You mustn't be afraid to go against the crowd or to be mocked by the crowd of lemmings.
-Toxic and deadly messages in media, social media, and ads exist for purposes that do not align with your personal interests.
-Most people will fail (at whatever) so the key to success is doing things differently than them.
-You must separate reliable information (e.g. scientists) from unreliable information (e.g. influencers).
-Being financially strong allowed us to weather an emergency in a way the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd couldn't.
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We haven't had it. We aren't super careful. Just marginally so. I even gave a ride to a sick family member who had to go to urgent care and tested positive there, then checked on him a few times over the next week. I've been exposed a bunch of times at work. We don't get sick very often. (knock wood)
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My family hasn't had it yet but we may be getting a visit from the covid fairy soon. My husband went out for coffee with an old friend on Saturday and spent 2+ hours sitting at a tiny table with him unmasked. That friend just reached out to say his wife tested positive this morning and he hasn't taken a test yet but feels terrible and assumes he has it too. We'll keep an eye out over the next few days and probably have my husband take a test on Thursday (5 days after exposure) out of an abundance of caution.
Well, we appear to have dodged it again. No symptoms at all and both adults tested today just to be sure, 5 days after exposure. Negative for both of us.
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I am fairly sure no. Since about a year ago I am tested 1-2x a week through my job (once a week through the summer, at least times a week since November). We are also fairly careful because my youngest is still ineligible for a vaccine. We avoid crowded places, do outdoor activities, wear masks around others (N95s since Omicron in grocery stores) and rapid test before seeing friends or family inside, or when anyone has symptoms. My oldest had it once through a daycare outbreak, but no one else got it.
Exactly one week
I voted no, but as of today daycare removed all precautions so I'm quite certain we'll have it in a month. You can now have a positive person in your house, but go in unmasked and untested to daycare (testing day 2 and 5 only) with the hordes of unvaccinated little kids that touch/mouth everything. What could possibly go wrong?!
You know, this is what I thought when our preschool dropped mask req's for the staff and parents. And as for kids? I don't think they've ever been masked there. I was really sure we would very soon after get COVID. I was pleasantly surprised that we went many months without catching it. The fact that we reenrolled and got through a year of preschool, half of that without serious precautions, was pretty cool.
In the end, though, we got it a couple weeks ago. Through preschool. I mean, we PROBABLY would have gotten it even if staff & parents were masked around the kids, but even I am not for requiring masks for toddlers and teachers 8+ hours straight a day at this point. But... I do not find it a coincidence that my preschooler got COVID only when masking up became the minority decision in my local community.
I can understand 'wanting to get back to normal', not totally shutting down one's life for what is minor illness for most at this point with vaccination availability, quarantining for 2 weeks being unreasonable, blah blah blah. I live in a fairly progressive area that had taken measures fairly seriously, and masking up was totally common until fairly recently. Now? I'm in the minority when I go into a grocery store with anything covering my face.
I understand wanting to relax things, but I feel they went too far too quickly. I proposed that they consider:
1) Requiring masks for 10 days after an exposure, to limit the chances of it going around a classroom
2) Requiring testing every day when you have a continuing exposure to a COVID positive person in your house, rather than just day 2 and 5.
As it stands, you can have someone in your house with COVID, but keep going in unmasked, and won't find out you've exposed everyone until a few days later.
I hear your experience, but mine is that they removed masks last summer and less than 3 week later, 25 people had it, including my kid (who continued to mask, but masks protect others more than oneself - this was in the days before readily accessible child N95s), so I'm still raw about that.
Exactly one week after I wrote this back in June, we got COVID through daycare. Quelle surprise.
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
Sore Throat
Runny nose
Cough
I'm curious how many people think having these symptoms qualifies as "didn't get sick". I've heard many people say they've had no symptoms at all, while they're sneezing, blowing nose, coughing. Do most people mean they don't FEEL sick when they say these things?
My own sister got COVID and tried to blame it on everything from dehydration to allergies, despite the fact that she had been sleeping in the same bed as her husband who tested positive for COVID. I do not understand is it just wishful thinking?
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
Sore Throat
Runny nose
Cough
I'm curious how many people think having these symptoms qualifies as "didn't get sick". I've heard many people say they've had no symptoms at all, while they're sneezing, blowing nose, coughing. Do most people mean they don't FEEL sick when they say these things?
My own sister got COVID and tried to blame it on everything from dehydration to allergies, despite the fact that she had been sleeping in the same bed as her husband who tested positive for COVID. I do not understand is it just wishful thinking?
Yes I mean I didn't feel sick. Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, I might have thought I was a bit dehydrated and my throat got scratchy, or maybe I was getting a migraine (my nose runs before I get one). Pre-pandemic if I was working I wouldn't have stayed at home and I probably wouldn't have noticed the symptoms if it was busy. No fever, tiredness, headache, aches or blocked up feeling. I'm the sort of person who would usually stay away if I felt ill.
I was staying in the middle of nowhere with my dad so went on a long hike the second day. I was sleeping in the same room as my husband (really small house, no other options) and neither my husband or dad, or the family members I saw just before I felt my throat got sore caught it so I think I just got it super mildly as a result of the booster. I didn't bother to keep testing so I don't know how long I was positive for, but the runny nose lasted about 3 days.
Edited to add: I think there are some of us who regularly have little sniffles or sore throats but for reasons other than being sick. Early on in the pandemic I tested quite a bit but then realised I just get these things a lot without being sick. Unless you call someone with hayfever sick? When I have a migraine I rarely I call myself sick - if it's just a headache and no nausea & light sensitivity then I'm just 'in pain'.
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I need to change my vote to yes! I got it in the UK but had had my 2nd booster before travelling and didn't get sick, just a sore throat for two days and then a runny nose for a couple of days. I had a cough for a few hours.
@Captain Cactus What are Covid toes????
Sore Throat
Runny nose
Cough
I'm curious how many people think having these symptoms qualifies as "didn't get sick". I've heard many people say they've had no symptoms at all, while they're sneezing, blowing nose, coughing. Do most people mean they don't FEEL sick when they say these things?
My own sister got COVID and tried to blame it on everything from dehydration to allergies, despite the fact that she had been sleeping in the same bed as her husband who tested positive for COVID. I do not understand is it just wishful thinking?
Had that a couple weeks ago here, but do not know if it was COVID. Did not have any tests around and was not going to go out and contaminate more people to get tests. There's a wicked non-COVID cold going through our area right now as well, so could have been that. I'll never know...
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My whole family got a cold last week, although about ten tests later it appears that it was not covid. I've recently started my son in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu though, so it's really just a matter of time. There's no way you can be breathing hard three inches from a couple dozen other people's faces and not pick up a super transmissible disease.
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Offspring had it last year. Mild. DW and I did not get it at that time. Recently (a month ago) DW caught it. While she was recovering I came down with something but never tested positive like her. Who knows. We both stayed home, symptoms weren't bad just a little discomfort. Watched alot of TV and slept. Also sat on the porch for sun and warm breezes.
We had not yet had the booster, but all our shots were Moderna if anyone is curious. Since then we had the Moderna/Flu booster. That caused her no discomfort, it gave me a day of fatigue.
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The two of us have kept up on vaccinations and have yet to catch Covid. We just had our flu shots as well. Next year I am thinking about starting to receive the pneumonia vaccine. Sometimes we get dirty looks here in Florida for wearing masks, but I just assume they are morons and carry on.
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Still Covid free, as far as I know. I did have some sniffles a while back and in the last couple of weeks, the back of my nose has felt really dry. I've attributed this to the strangely warm and windy weather we've been having stirring up my allergies. Haven't bothered testing because I don't go out a whole lot and wear a mask when I do. At this point, there are very few people I see wearing masks, so I refuse to be more worried about giving something to them than they are about catching something.
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A good friend just had Covid again and after getting his third booster. He said if Covid wasn’t a thing, he would have just thought it was a cold. But still, he got covid again. And after his third booster. That’s a bummer.
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A good friend just had Covid again and after getting his third booster. He said if Covid wasn’t a thing, he would have just thought it was a cold. But still, he got covid again. And after his third booster. That’s a bummer.
Yeah, the current data says that boosters don't really prevent contracting the disease (especially after more than a month) unfortunately. They do lessen the severity though.
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I got Covid just days after receiving my second booster vaccination, in early spring this year. We had stopped wearing masks, as instructed by the authorities. My symptoms were mild. I had the Delta mutation of Covid.
I got infected at home by DH. But where he got infected was completely unclear.
After having had it, a mental load fell from my shoulders. Suddenly life became normal, we didn't have to do social distancing anymore. And we didn't need to worry about getting infected anymore.
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I got Covid just days after receiving my second booster vaccination, in early spring this year. We had stopped wearing masks, as instructed by the authorities. My symptoms were mild. I had the Delta mutation of Covid.
I got infected at home by DH. But where he got infected was completely unclear.
After having had it, a mental load fell from my shoulders. Suddenly life became normal, we didn't have to do social distancing anymore. And we didn't need to worry about getting infected anymore.
Why don't you need to worry about getting infected anymore?
You can be reinfected. I know people who have had at least 3 bouts of covid. It's beginning to look like each covid infection weakens your immune response (to everything - hence the explosion of RSV/flu/covid/etc in children overwhelming pediatric hospitals right now), and increases your chances of having long covid.
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Hey-o. I got COVID for the first time in early October. Picked it up while traveling. Two flights, multiple restaurants, and lots of mingling.
I had a fever, body aches, sinus symptoms, and digestive symptoms. The fever and body aches made it feel worse than even a ‘robust’ cold (one I which I had 2 weeks before getting COVID. Unfair!), but not quite as bad as the 2 times I got the flu.
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I just tested positive again! 2.5 months after my last infection and 3 months after my last booster. Assume it's a different variant to last time. This time I feel ill, got the chills, runny nose and that feeling that's not quite a headache in your head when you have a cold.
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I got Covid just days after receiving my second booster vaccination, in early spring this year. We had stopped wearing masks, as instructed by the authorities. My symptoms were mild. I had the Delta mutation of Covid.
I got infected at home by DH. But where he got infected was completely unclear.
After having had it, a mental load fell from my shoulders. Suddenly life became normal, we didn't have to do social distancing anymore. And we didn't need to worry about getting infected anymore.
Why don't you need to worry about getting infected anymore?
You can be reinfected. I know people who have had at least 3 bouts of covid. It's beginning to look like each covid infection weakens your immune response (to everything - hence the explosion of RSV/flu/covid/etc in children overwhelming pediatric hospitals right now), and increases your chances of having long covid.
With in total 3 vaccinations, plus COVID itself, my body should be well prepared for the next infection. I am sure next time will be mild as well. So I do expect to get reinfected some time, I just don't worry about the consequences.
Having the flue or a cold will prevent you from getting COVID at that moment. The body mobilizes the whole immune system when a virus gets in and it is difficult for a second virus to enter at when one is already present. I heard that on a podcast recently.
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I just tested positive again! 2.5 months after my last infection and 3 months after my last booster. Assume it's a different variant to last time. This time I feel ill, got the chills, runny nose and that feeling that's not quite a headache in your head when you have a cold.
That sucks.
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Still nothing, even after having to attend a badly ventilated corporate super-spreader indoors event about 2.5 weeks ago. Nobody else seem to have gotten sick, either, it seems, so I guess this winter will be more relaxed.
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Husband is heading off to a huge weeklong meeting, so I guess we'll be testing out these new covalent boosters...
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@Linea_Norway, the authorities are actually telling you not to wear masks? Why?
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I got Covid just days after receiving my second booster vaccination, in early spring this year. We had stopped wearing masks, as instructed by the authorities. My symptoms were mild. I had the Delta mutation of Covid.
I got infected at home by DH. But where he got infected was completely unclear.
After having had it, a mental load fell from my shoulders. Suddenly life became normal, we didn't have to do social distancing anymore. And we didn't need to worry about getting infected anymore.
Why don't you need to worry about getting infected anymore?
You can be reinfected. I know people who have had at least 3 bouts of covid. It's beginning to look like each covid infection weakens your immune response (to everything - hence the explosion of RSV/flu/covid/etc in children overwhelming pediatric hospitals right now), and increases your chances of having long covid.
With in total 3 vaccinations, plus COVID itself, my body should be well prepared for the next infection. I am sure next time will be mild as well. So I do expect to get reinfected some time, I just don't worry about the consequences.
Having the flue or a cold will prevent you from getting COVID at that moment. The body mobilizes the whole immune system when a virus gets in and it is difficult for a second virus to enter at when one is already present. I heard that on a podcast recently.
There are a lot of children seriously ill in pediatric hospitals now that have tested positive for multiple viruses simultaneously - one that was highlighted by the media had 5 different things! IIRC, it was RSV, flu, an enterovirus, and 2 different rhinoviruses.
The working theory is that a previous covid infection (or more than one) harms your T-cells, lowering your immune response against other things.
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@Linea_Norway, the authorities are actually telling you not to wear masks? Why?
We should still wear masks when we are infected. But we don't need to wear them when we are healthy. Because masks are a bit uncomfortable and they don't want to force people to wear them when infection rates are low in our country. We have a very high vaccination rate here.
That said, yesterday there was a scientist who claimed that COVID infections have long time effects and make you more vulnerable for heart issues. She wanted us to go back to wearing masks. So maybe the advise will change soon enough.
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I voted no, but I did have a raspy throat 4 days after I sat hours close to someone who had a bad Covid cough as it later turned out. (both masks though).
That said, yesterday there was a scientist who claimed that COVID infections have long time effects and make you more vulnerable for heart issues
EVERY covid infection has the risk of lasting if not even perpetual damage, to many organs including heart, lung or brain.
It's not a bad cold, it's a multi-organ infection. Professional athlets had to end their carreer. Children are bound to bed. It can hit everyone, risk factor or not.
2021 Covid doubled the amount of people in Germany asking for work incapacity pension(?). Yes, you read that right, more people were claining they were no longer able to work caused by a covid infection than from any other reason together.
Wear a fucking mask.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
Let me preface this by saying that I hate wearing a mask. It's uncomfy, makes it hard to breathe, makes it hard to talk properly, causes my skin to break out - yuck. Unfortunately, past vaccination and previous infection don't confer lasting protection from covid. There's also mounting data that shows that reinfection increases risk of lasting health problems.
So my strategy is to vaccinate everyone whenever available (I just got my fifth vaccine last weekend) to try to keep our immune response to covid strong. We will also continue wearing a mask in most scenarios that make sense. So I wear a mask to the grocery store, post office, library, etc. I don't wear a mask outdoors. My son doesn't wear a mask in his jiu-jitsu classes, (which is probably the single most likely way that our family will pickup the disease) because he wouldn't be able to breathe enough while winded. He does wear a mask while attending school indoors, but takes it off outdoors, in gym class, and (obviously) when he's eating lunch.
It's not perfect or ideal, but it's the balance that makes the most sense for us. When does it end? I guess when it's safe to end. I am very much looking forward to that day.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
For how long have Asiens used a mask? Are the proud White Boys unable to "endure" what feeble, small, socialist Asiens can?
Sorry, I wanted to be racist once.
Are you asking how long do I have to look left and right when I cross the street? Are you asking How long do I have to check if I take the right pills? Do you ask how long you should avoid jumping from bridges by not looking where I walk?
If it's the sensible thing, do it. There is no "How long" to that. It's not like something has changed, at least not to the better. Well, a flu strain has died out in 2020, but that's not much of a help.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
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My wife and daughter tested positive back in January. My son and I never tested, but also never had any symptoms. I worked from home at the time, so I just isolated as if I did have it and because our daughter had it our son was required to stay out of daycare for 14 days. My daughter was lethargic for an afternoon and took a nap, she was out jumping on the trampoline that evening. My wife just had a stuffy nose and said she felt a little tired for a day.
My wife and I both got the initial 2 doses in April of 2021 and nothing since.
We've been back to life as normal all of this year though with kids in daycare and school, attending concerts, sporting events, etc.
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Still no.
One person in our household has tested positive twice, symptomatic the first time but not the second. She travels for work quite a bit. None of the rest of us have gotten it, and we've tested regularly.
Dh and I continue to mask in stores and at church. It doesn't bother us. It seems courteous. We've each had five shots. We're old and don't enjoy being sick.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
My parents are in their 70s and have health issues and will continue to wear masks indefinitely when out in public. I don't care if others want to wear a mask. I just don't want to be forced to do so again to do normal things like go shopping or fly on a plane. When I see someone who appears to be young and healthy wearing a mask, I do wonder how much of it is a tribal signal vs not wanting to get sick. It's hard for me not to see it through the lens of government overreach and tribal signaling as our governor (New Mexico) enacted some relatively restrictive policies and kept emergency powers in place far longer than reasonably justified.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
My parents are in their 70s and have health issues and will continue to wear masks indefinitely when out in public. I don't care if others want to wear a mask. I just don't want to be forced to do so again to do normal things like go shopping or fly on a plane. When I see someone who appears to be young and healthy wearing a mask, I do wonder how much of it is a tribal signal vs not wanting to get sick. It's hard for me not to see it through the lens of government overreach and tribal signaling as our governor (New Mexico) enacted some relatively restrictive policies and kept emergency powers in place far longer than reasonably justified.
How much of your own choice not to wear a mask is 'tribal signaling'?
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And someone who "appears to be young and healthy" may have or live with someone with an autoimmune disorder or undergoing cancer treatment.
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And someone who "appears to be young and healthy" may have or live with someone with an autoimmune disorder or undergoing cancer treatment.
Or has one of the many risk factors. Like an allergy (btw. an FFP2 mask reduces your symptoms. That may also be a reason to wear one, just saying).
How much of your own choice not to wear a mask is 'tribal signaling'?
That's what I am always wondering, seeing how proudly so many people say they don't wear masks. Especially people talking about "governmental overreach".
It's not governmental overreach to mandate masks for closed room gatherings in an pandemic of a virus that is droplet-airborn. It's not governmental overreach when it tries to keep the hospitals from collapsing. Or hundred of thousands of people dropping out of the workforce becaue they can barely manage their life with Long Covid.
Governmental overreach is what happens in China (And that only since the later variants, it would have worked with alpha if everyone had done local hard shutdowns for a few months when needed). Using a mask is not. That's basic common sense and curtesy if you look at it objectivly.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
My parents are in their 70s and have health issues and will continue to wear masks indefinitely when out in public. I don't care if others want to wear a mask. I just don't want to be forced to do so again to do normal things like go shopping or fly on a plane. When I see someone who appears to be young and healthy wearing a mask, I do wonder how much of it is a tribal signal vs not wanting to get sick. It's hard for me not to see it through the lens of government overreach and tribal signaling as our governor (New Mexico) enacted some relatively restrictive policies and kept emergency powers in place far longer than reasonably justified.
How much of your own choice not to wear a mask is 'tribal signaling'?
Some, but mostly it's just an uncomfortable annoyance that I don't want to deal with. Especially when most of the time it was all just theater as cloth masks were not really effective.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
My parents are in their 70s and have health issues and will continue to wear masks indefinitely when out in public. I don't care if others want to wear a mask. I just don't want to be forced to do so again to do normal things like go shopping or fly on a plane. When I see someone who appears to be young and healthy wearing a mask, I do wonder how much of it is a tribal signal vs not wanting to get sick. It's hard for me not to see it through the lens of government overreach and tribal signaling as our governor (New Mexico) enacted some relatively restrictive policies and kept emergency powers in place far longer than reasonably justified.
How much of your own choice not to wear a mask is 'tribal signaling'?
Some, but mostly it's just an uncomfortable annoyance that I don't want to deal with. Especially when most of the time it was all just theater as cloth masks were not really effective.
I mean, you *think* that’s mostly what it is.
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I may be more equivocal than LennStar about this, but these seem like really disingenuous question. No one asks for how long they have to keep wearing a condom every time they have sex (and funnily enough I'm old enough to remember when men used to complain how inconvenient and harmful they were and how much they reduced the pleasure of sex for them, just like masks for life in general, and yet younger people now don't complain the way people in older generations did in the past about condoms!). People don't ask what the end game is of wearing a rain coat when it's raining, which by the way is also often inconvenient, uncomfortable and yet totally worth it.
People still wear seat belts even if they've been in a car accident, wearing a seat belt or not, and survived it in the past. Because an additional car accident can cause more and new harms.
And also, if vaccines are only semi-effective, that seems like all the more reason to wear masks more!
I feel much less interested in mandatory mask policies anywhere and am wearing masks less myself at the moment. But it seems easy to understand why people would want to continue to wear masks. I don't get it when people are surprised about it and honestly wonder if they are just trolling. You can choose not to wear a mask, but not to understand why others would choose to do so seems like it must ....take a lot of work.
My parents are in their 70s and have health issues and will continue to wear masks indefinitely when out in public. I don't care if others want to wear a mask. I just don't want to be forced to do so again to do normal things like go shopping or fly on a plane. When I see someone who appears to be young and healthy wearing a mask, I do wonder how much of it is a tribal signal vs not wanting to get sick. It's hard for me not to see it through the lens of government overreach and tribal signaling as our governor (New Mexico) enacted some relatively restrictive policies and kept emergency powers in place far longer than reasonably justified.
How much of your own choice not to wear a mask is 'tribal signaling'?
Some, but mostly it's just an uncomfortable annoyance that I don't want to deal with.
Really?
I can confidently say that I've never worn a mask to signal anything. It sucks wearing a mask, I only ever do it because I've weighed the risks as being greater than the discomfort. If I see someone else who is not wearing one, I figure that they have run the calculation and come to a different conclusion.
I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Especially when most of the time it was all just theater as cloth masks were not really effective.
This is a narrative/anger I don't entirely understand.
One layer cloth masks mostly suck, and in many cases aren't worth wearing. Two layer cloth masks aren't as effective as a properly fitted N95, but they are reasonably good (depending on specific materials somewhere between 40 - 90% from what I've read) at preventing transmission of covid.
But even if you ignore all that . . . At the time that cloth masks were being recommended, the science on effectiveness of cloth masks wasn't fully studied/proven. It was always known that n95 respirators were effective at preventing transmission, but early on there were a variety of studies indicating that any masking was likely to be beneficial. Couple that with early shortages, problems related to cost for people who don't have as much money, and it seems reasonable to both recommend masking everywhere and allow cloth masks, doesn't it?
My family wore cloth masks when they were recommended. And when surgical masks/n95s were available and recommended instead, we switched to wearing those. I know a lot of people who wore masks, but they all switched to the recommended masks as the science changed. Is that the theater you're talking about?
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Wear a fucking mask.
For how long? What's the end game when almost everyone has already been infected and vaccines are only semi-effective at preventing infection?
I guess forever? I had kind of hoped that mask wearing would be more of a permanent thing like in some Asian countries. In Japan I understood this to be mainly a courtesy to others when I visited, in line with their culture.
I'll be going back to wearing a mask in shops and indoor venues. First time I caught Covid was in the UK while visiting - I'd come from a country where mask wearing was the norm but got so many stares that I stopped wearing it so much. Then I returned to Aus, thought I'd ride out my immunity for a bit so went mask free and caught it again pretty much as soon as our laws changed so you'd didn't have to isolate at home if you have Covid. I was in a supermarket with a disorganised checkout area that gets crowded a couple of days before I got sick.
So yep I'll be wearing a mask again, I don't like being ill. Edit to add: It's still quite common to wear a mask here anyway where I live.
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
Ironic that their sense of "defiance" is basically absolute lockstep allegiance to their peer group.
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
Ironic that their sense of "defiance" is basically absolute lockstep allegiance to their peer group.
Indeed. But that also sounds very similar to a lot of the progressives I know. They shout "trust experts!" when the experts* are on their side for things like masks and vaccines but quickly change their tune when the experts don't agree with them on things like inflation or student loan relief. It is my least favorite feature of US politics and/or society.
* - ignoring all the experts that questioned masks for the under 12 crowd
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
Ironic that their sense of "defiance" is basically absolute lockstep allegiance to their peer group.
Indeed. But that also sounds very similar to a lot of the progressives I know. They shout "trust experts!" when the experts* are on their side for things like masks and vaccines but quickly change their tune when the experts don't agree with them on things like inflation or student loan relief. It is my least favorite feature of US politics and/or society.
* - ignoring all the experts that questioned masks for the under 12 crowd
Equating the concepts of "expertise" in virology vs. education or economic policy seems like a strange thing to do.
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
Ironic that their sense of "defiance" is basically absolute lockstep allegiance to their peer group.
Indeed. But that also sounds very similar to a lot of the progressives I know. They shout "trust experts!" when the experts* are on their side for things like masks and vaccines but quickly change their tune when the experts don't agree with them on things like inflation or student loan relief. It is my least favorite feature of US politics and/or society.
* - ignoring all the experts that questioned masks for the under 12 crowd
Equating the concepts of "expertise" in virology vs. education or economic policy seems like a strange thing to do.
Screaming "trust experts!" when it fits your needs and ignoring them when it doesn't seems like patent hypocrisy to me.
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I've never really seriously considered that someone would put political group affiliation above their own individuality and health in that way - that's why these types of accusations have always seemed goofy to me.
Come visit a red state where some people frequently parrot what they heard on 24 hour news or talk radio. Sometimes they don't have enough information to form their own opinions so they parrot the opinions of people they respect. Also, might be part of the evangelical religious mentality. Repeat what you are taught and told by your chosen leader, don't question the belief system of your elders.
If their peer group (church, family, etc) won't wear masks then they won't either. There is a strong sense of defiance built into their culture. If a liberal or educated professional (elite?) stands up and says we ought to wear masks then they sure as heck aren't wearing masks too. Might be part of why they vote against their own interests at times. And don't describe them as a group in a negative way or they will never listen to your opinion again.
if what you said is true, I want to visit where you live and see what that is like. We like living here but we rarely engage with people to change their minds. We simply live as we see fit and if anyone takes notice and finds something positive in our ways, so be it.
Ironic that their sense of "defiance" is basically absolute lockstep allegiance to their peer group.
Indeed. But that also sounds very similar to a lot of the progressives I know. They shout "trust experts!" when the experts* are on their side for things like masks and vaccines but quickly change their tune when the experts don't agree with them on things like inflation or student loan relief. It is my least favorite feature of US politics and/or society.
* - ignoring all the experts that questioned masks for the under 12 crowd
Equating the concepts of "expertise" in virology vs. education or economic policy seems like a strange thing to do.
Screaming "trust experts!" when it fits your needs and ignoring them when it doesn't seems like patent hypocrisy to me.
Using emotionally loaded words like "screaming" and equating vastly different areas of study while ignoring the realities of what "expertise" means in varying domains (and therefore to what degree expertise might be questioned) seems like patent strawmanning to me.
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Using emotionally loaded words like "screaming" and equating vastly different areas of study while ignoring the realities of what "expertise" means in varying domains (and therefore to what degree expertise might be questioned) seems like patent strawmanning to me.
Fair enough. Perhaps I should add that nuanced discussion and disagreement around complicated issues is a liberal value that I hold dear. I see less and less of it in the USA for the last 20 years across the entire political spectrum.
EDITed to add - except I'm not sure that's the definition of a strawman.
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Well, it does not make sense that virus of 13 year olds get blocked by masks, virus from 12 years olds not.
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Well, it does not make sense that virus of 13 year olds get blocked by masks, virus from 12 years olds not.
No one said it did. But some governments, including the very liberal government in Scotland, decided that the risk-vs-reward of asking young people to mask for month after month was bad for those young people. But that was never a conversation in the USA because there were two diametrically opposed camps with no space in-between. The GOP said that masks were bad so the Democratic party said "let's do whatever the opposite is."
And that's why I'm still a SNP member but not a Democrat (that's a joke... sort of).
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Well, it does not make sense that virus of 13 year olds get blocked by masks, virus from 12 years olds not.
No one said it did. But some governments, including the very liberal government in Scotland, decided that the risk-vs-reward of asking young people to mask for month after month was bad for those young people. But that was never a conversation in the USA because there were two diametrically opposed camps with no space in-between. The GOP said that masks were bad so the Democratic party said "let's do whatever the opposite is."
And that's why I'm still a SNP member but not a Democrat (that's a joke... sort of).
I remember it differently. The experts told us to wear masks, and our former president was the one who made it a political issue - even refusing to wear a mask when he was sick with covid in a car full of secret service agents.
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Well, it does not make sense that virus of 13 year olds get blocked by masks, virus from 12 years olds not.
No one said it did. But some governments, including the very liberal government in Scotland, decided that the risk-vs-reward of asking young people to mask for month after month was bad for those young people. But that was never a conversation in the USA because there were two diametrically opposed camps with no space in-between. The GOP said that masks were bad so the Democratic party said "let's do whatever the opposite is."
And that's why I'm still a SNP member but not a Democrat (that's a joke... sort of).
I remember it differently. The experts told us to wear masks, and our former president was the one who made it a political issue - even refusing to wear a mask when he was sick with covid in a car full of secret service agents.
That's half right. Maybe where you were was different but I spent the pandemic in Oregon generally and Portland specifically and all the local leftists said "whatever Trump said, let's do the opposite!" with absolutely no regard for what, for example, the WHO had to say about masking young children at the time. Because remember, mask policies were set on a state-by-state basis, not by what the President said, or even necessarily what the CDC said. This is somewhat analogous to how England and Scotland got to have different masking rules. But in England and Scotland there was an actual debate about what was best with some metric of goodness that wasn't just pure political bullshit.
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Well, it does not make sense that virus of 13 year olds get blocked by masks, virus from 12 years olds not.
No one said it did. But some governments, including the very liberal government in Scotland, decided that the risk-vs-reward of asking young people to mask for month after month was bad for those young people. But that was never a conversation in the USA because there were two diametrically opposed camps with no space in-between. The GOP said that masks were bad so the Democratic party said "let's do whatever the opposite is."
And that's why I'm still a SNP member but not a Democrat (that's a joke... sort of).
I remember it differently. The experts told us to wear masks, and our former president was the one who made it a political issue - even refusing to wear a mask when he was sick with covid in a car full of secret service agents.
That's half right. Maybe where you were was different but I spent the pandemic in Oregon generally and Portland specifically and all the local leftists said "whatever Trump said, let's do the opposite!" with absolutely no regard for what, for example, the WHO had to say about masking young children at the time. Because remember, mask policies were set on a state-by-state basis, not by what the President said, or even necessarily what the CDC said. This is somewhat analogous to how England and Scotland got to have different masking rules. But in England and Scotland there was an actual debate about what was best with some metric of goodness that wasn't just pure political bullshit.
This seems like quite an assertion. If there really was a critical mass of leftists saying, “Whatever Trump said, let’s do the opposite!” then, presumably, you could produce a fair amount of evidence of that. Could you show that to us? Because I certainly haven’t seen it, and I would be quite interested.
On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
You did assert that “leftists” have been basing their Covid behavior specifically on listening to what Trump stated, and then doing the exact opposite, though.
Do you have any actual evidence of that?
Also, the Democrats may well get clobbered tonight. We’ll see. But that is a totally separate issue. It’s weird to me that you are pivoting so abruptly.
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
You did assert that “leftists” have been basing their Covid behavior specifically on listening to what Trump stated, and then doing the exact opposite, though.
Do you have any actual evidence of that?
I'm sorry that I forgot to wear a wire while talking to random people in Portland during the pandemic about politics. Next time I'll try harder. I could certainly scrape some Facebook history and find screenshots if I tried, but I'm not going to do that.
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
You did assert that “leftists” have been basing their Covid behavior specifically on listening to what Trump stated, and then doing the exact opposite, though.
Do you have any actual evidence of that?
I'm sorry that I forgot to wear a wire while talking to random people in Portland during the pandemic about politics. Next time I'll try harder. I could certainly scrape some Facebook history and find screenshots if I tried, but I'm not going to do that.
PDX, I find your argument quite disingenuous.
It’s disappointing.
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
You did assert that “leftists” have been basing their Covid behavior specifically on listening to what Trump stated, and then doing the exact opposite, though.
Do you have any actual evidence of that?
I'm sorry that I forgot to wear a wire while talking to random people in Portland during the pandemic about politics. Next time I'll try harder. I could certainly scrape some Facebook history and find screenshots if I tried, but I'm not going to do that.
PDX, I find your argument quite disingenuous.
It’s disappointing.
It's an honest accounting of my perception of Portland politics in specific and US politics in general. But you don't have to agree with me. During the Obama years the GOP became the anti-Democratic party that tried to block any Democratic legislation just because the Democrats wrote it. AFAICT we followed suit a few years later.
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On the other hand, I certainly have evidence of Trump saying very clearly that whatever Fauci said, he immediately said the exact opposite.
https://youtu.be/iuKJ7_OQFsQ
I'm on the left, I don't listen to Trump. #notmypresident
As to the political backlash for, potentially, arguably, over-masking in schools I'll leave you with a NYT podcast on the subject. Why Democratic Governors Are Turning Against Mask Mandates (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html). But to be fair that podcast (and transcript if you prefer) is about the politics of masking in schools, not the potential downsides to young children. Remember that when you watch the Democrats get clobbered tonight (but not because of me, I didn't vote for the GOP).
You did assert that “leftists” have been basing their Covid behavior specifically on listening to what Trump stated, and then doing the exact opposite, though.
Do you have any actual evidence of that?
I'm sorry that I forgot to wear a wire while talking to random people in Portland during the pandemic about politics. Next time I'll try harder. I could certainly scrape some Facebook history and find screenshots if I tried, but I'm not going to do that.
PDX, I find your argument quite disingenuous.
It’s disappointing.
It's an honest accounting of my perception of Portland politics in specific and US politics in general. But you don't have to agree with me. During the Obama years the GOP became the anti-Democratic party that tried to block any Democratic legislation just because the Democrats wrote it. AFAICT we followed suit a few years later.
You are flinging around a lot of accusations.
Without any proof, I might add.
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PDXTabs is sharing their experience. It matches my experience pretty well, too. @Kris , maybe you live somewhere else and have a different experience. There’s no need to attack someone else for sharing theirs just because it’s not the same as yours.
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and all the local leftists said "whatever Trump said, let's do the opposite!"
You have to admit, as far as heuristics go, that is a very precise one for the right behavior with minimum effort of research. It's correct 9/10 times at least and all research you need to do is having a glancing look at the page 1 headlines.
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Back to the poll, switch my vote to YES.
Ended up at the emergency room with possible heart attack symptoms (tight chest, trouble breathing, lightheadedness, numb left arm) but lo and behold tested positive for covid.
Got the latest booster about three weeks ago. Never had sore throat, hacking cough, loss of smell/taste. In fact the doc thought my symptoms were more aligned with "long covid"?
Honestly, they really don't know, it is the ER after all. They did a chest x ray and a heart test (not sure exactly what, but then again I'm that guy who didn't see a doctor for, uhh, seventeen years) and said "no damage". They attributed my lack of "normal" (?) symptoms to my overall excellent health.
I have had trouble sleeping, breathing, and general weirdness/dizzyness lately,which I attributed to stress/anxiety/heartburn since I've been working my little butt off trying to finish a house.
Interestingly, remember the free tests sent out in the early months of the Biden administration? We got ours out and my gf tested negative today. We don't live together but we spend every weekend together. I also tested negative on that test kit.
We contacted our county health department and we're going to stop by for some new tests.
She (gf) is an acupuncturist/Chinese medicine practitioner and she made me a witches brew tea that has reduced many of the symptoms I've been experiencing.
It's been entirely miserable, and I'm in excellent health and fully vaxed, I feel very very sorry for all who've suffered and died from it, and very fortunate to (so far) be free of permanent damage.
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I'm curious, did you check the expiration date on the at home tests? They don't have a very long shelf life and may have been expired. The ones I got in the spring are already expired.
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I'm curious, did you check the expiration date on the at home tests? They don't have a very long shelf life and may have been expired. The ones I got in the spring are already expired.
Good call, exp 7-9-22
They are NOT like Twinkies, apparently.
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At Costco I noticed that the FDA (or whomever the authority is for this) had extended expiration by 6 months on the tests being sold there - and they were relatively cheap at $25 for a five pack. But we still have tests in the cupboard. Will check the expiration on those.
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At Costco I noticed that the FDA (or whomever the authority is for this) had extended expiration by 6 months on the tests being sold there - and they were relatively cheap at $25 for a five pack. But we still have tests in the cupboard. Will check the expiration on those.
I would say at this point there is a very low chance that you will actually test positive with an at-home kit.
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I'm curious, did you check the expiration date on the at home tests? They don't have a very long shelf life and may have been expired. The ones I got in the spring are already expired.
The FDA extended the expiration date on a lot of the COVID tests.
Before assuming they're no good, you can check the lot number at the FDA website.
Here's a place to start
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests
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I'm curious, did you check the expiration date on the at home tests? They don't have a very long shelf life and may have been expired. The ones I got in the spring are already expired.
The FDA extended the expiration date on a lot of the COVID tests.
Before assuming they're no good, you can check the lot number at the FDA website.
Here's a place to start
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests
The test kits we got from the county health department yesterday are identical to the kits we already had. They have a sticker with an exp date of 12-19-22, peel off the sticker and find an exp date of 6-19-22.
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Husband is heading off to a huge weeklong meeting, so I guess we'll be testing out these new covalent boosters...
My husband's best friend and closest contact at the meeting ended up in the emergency room with covid caught at said meeting. Getting antibiotics for pneumonia + antivirals. This was despite 5 covid shots, but he is immunocompromised (otherwise one of the fittest people I've ever met, regularly bike races/runs 10ks, and is part of a wilderness rescue team). I have no doubt he'd be dead if not vaccinated.
My husband took a PCR test yesterday, so now we wait to see if his recent vaccine shots held the line, or if Thanksgiving will be cancelled for the 3rd time in 4 years.
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Good luck!
Unfortunately being healthy does not safe you. There are profi sportler including active olympionikes who are more or less bound to a life without heavy sport after the infection.
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
Feel better soon. Symptoms not too bad?
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Husband is heading off to a huge weeklong meeting, so I guess we'll be testing out these new covalent boosters...
My husband's best friend and closest contact at the meeting ended up in the emergency room with covid caught at said meeting. Getting antibiotics for pneumonia + antivirals. This was despite 5 covid shots, but he is immunocompromised (otherwise one of the fittest people I've ever met, regularly bike races/runs 10ks, and is part of a wilderness rescue team). I have no doubt he'd be dead if not vaccinated.
My husband took a PCR test yesterday, so now we wait to see if his recent vaccine shots held the line, or if Thanksgiving will be cancelled for the 3rd time in 4 years.
The new boosters held, despite absolute certain exposure!
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Husband is heading off to a huge weeklong meeting, so I guess we'll be testing out these new covalent boosters...
My husband's best friend and closest contact at the meeting ended up in the emergency room with covid caught at said meeting. Getting antibiotics for pneumonia + antivirals. This was despite 5 covid shots, but he is immunocompromised (otherwise one of the fittest people I've ever met, regularly bike races/runs 10ks, and is part of a wilderness rescue team). I have no doubt he'd be dead if not vaccinated.
My husband took a PCR test yesterday, so now we wait to see if his recent vaccine shots held the line, or if Thanksgiving will be cancelled for the 3rd time in 4 years.
The new boosters held, despite absolute certain exposure!
This is encouraging (looks at card, sees 5 shots)!
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
Feel better soon. Symptoms not too bad?
I felt crappy yesterday, headache/runny nose/cough. Didn't sleep much last night either as the muscles in my chest kept twitching and were keeping me up (no idea if that's covid related, it was weird and not something that has happened to me before). Today I've got a runny nose and headache but feeling much better than yesterday.
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Finally tested positive this morning. First time I've been sick in over 3 years.
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Husband is heading off to a huge weeklong meeting, so I guess we'll be testing out these new covalent boosters...
My husband's best friend and closest contact at the meeting ended up in the emergency room with covid caught at said meeting. Getting antibiotics for pneumonia + antivirals. This was despite 5 covid shots, but he is immunocompromised (otherwise one of the fittest people I've ever met, regularly bike races/runs 10ks, and is part of a wilderness rescue team). I have no doubt he'd be dead if not vaccinated.
My husband took a PCR test yesterday, so now we wait to see if his recent vaccine shots held the line, or if Thanksgiving will be cancelled for the 3rd time in 4 years.
The new boosters held, despite absolute certain exposure!
This is encouraging (looks at card, sees 5 shots)!
I was finally infected on the day I wrote this comment +/- 1.
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
Feel better soon. Symptoms not too bad?
I felt crappy yesterday, headache/runny nose/cough. Didn't sleep much last night either as the muscles in my chest kept twitching and were keeping me up (no idea if that's covid related, it was weird and not something that has happened to me before). Today I've got a runny nose and headache but feeling much better than yesterday.
So covid was very weird for me, not like a regular cold at all.
I had a day or two of feeling crappy (with the weird muscle twitching thing that kept me from sleep), then a couple days of feeling mildly sick. Then about four days later I felt 90% like usual. So, as I do with every cold I get . . . I started with some light exercise - usually this makes me feel better.
Prior to covid, I've been getting up every morning and running 5-10 km (usually alternating between jogging and sprinting) before work to wake up. So I first tried doing an easy 1 km run. Felt OK while running, got back to the house, and then felt extremely nauseous and pukey. Which is really odd, as I never ever get sick to my stomach. Then all of my symptoms worsened. I got a terrible headache, could barely breathe from the amount of snot running out of my nose, and was coughing non-stop. So I was 'OK, this is clearly not working' and gave up on exercise.
Next day I felt 90% like usual again. But I figured, OK, maybe take a rest for a bit. So I did fuck all for three more days after this. And every day I felt exactly the same. Mildly congested sinuses, and a little bit of runny nose. So on the fifth day I did another covid test and it showed negative. Figured I'd try exercising again. Thought that maybe the run in the cold air was the problem, so instead tried lifting weights. I do either squats/bench/pullups or deadlift/overhead press/weighted pullups. Pre-covid I was working my way up to five reps of 260 lbs for squats a couple times a week. So I started my first workout with squats, sets of five for each:
Bodyweight, 50, 100, 150, 175, 200
I was feeling fine up until the 200lb set, where I was super dizzy. So I racked the weight, then felt waves of nausea, then it was a repeat of last time. All my symptoms came back for the rest of the day. Headache, crazy runny nose, uncontrollable coughing. Went to bed, the next morning I felt back to my new 90% of normal normal.
This was getting pretty frustrating. I took another couple days off. Since then, I've been alternating between running and squatting each day - starting with half the distance and half the weight that I used when feeling crappy, and increasing by 10% each day. I still feel crappy after each workout, but it's not the same crazy over the top crappy of the described previous two times. Things do seem to be getting better, but very, very slowly. I'm still not back to 100%.
Really weird disease, I've never felt anything like this after a cold before. Hopefully things continue to get better as I'm still concerned that there might be long term damage, and getting regular exercise is really important for my mental health.
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
Feel better soon. Symptoms not too bad?
I felt crappy yesterday, headache/runny nose/cough. Didn't sleep much last night either as the muscles in my chest kept twitching and were keeping me up (no idea if that's covid related, it was weird and not something that has happened to me before). Today I've got a runny nose and headache but feeling much better than yesterday.
So covid was very weird for me, not like a regular cold at all.
I had a day or two of feeling crappy (with the weird muscle twitching thing that kept me from sleep), then a couple days of feeling mildly sick. Then about four days later I felt 90% like usual. So, as I do with every cold I get . . . I started with some light exercise - usually this makes me feel better.
Prior to covid, I've been getting up every morning and running 5-10 km (usually alternating between jogging and sprinting) before work to wake up. So I first tried doing an easy 1 km run. Felt OK while running, got back to the house, and then felt extremely nauseous and pukey. Which is really odd, as I never ever get sick to my stomach. Then all of my symptoms worsened. I got a terrible headache, could barely breathe from the amount of snot running out of my nose, and was coughing non-stop. So I was 'OK, this is clearly not working' and gave up on exercise.
Next day I felt 90% like usual again. But I figured, OK, maybe take a rest for a bit. So I did fuck all for three more days after this. And every day I felt exactly the same. Mildly congested sinuses, and a little bit of runny nose. So on the fifth day I did another covid test and it showed negative. Figured I'd try exercising again. Thought that maybe the run in the cold air was the problem, so instead tried lifting weights. I do either squats/bench/pullups or deadlift/overhead press/weighted pullups. Pre-covid I was working my way up to five reps of 260 lbs for squats a couple times a week. So I started my first workout with squats, sets of five for each:
Bodyweight, 50, 100, 150, 175, 200
I was feeling fine up until the 200lb set, where I was super dizzy. So I racked the weight, then felt waves of nausea, then it was a repeat of last time. All my symptoms came back for the rest of the day. Headache, crazy runny nose, uncontrollable coughing. Went to bed, the next morning I felt back to my new 90% of normal normal.
This was getting pretty frustrating. I took another couple days off. Since then, I've been alternating between running and squatting each day - starting with half the distance and half the weight that I used when feeling crappy, and increasing by 10% each day. I still feel crappy after each workout, but it's not the same crazy over the top crappy of the described previous two times. Things do seem to be getting better, but very, very slowly. I'm still not back to 100%.
Really weird disease, I've never felt anything like this after a cold before. Hopefully things continue to get better as I'm still concerned that there might be long term damage, and getting regular exercise is really important for my mental health.
Ugh, I hope I don't have lingering effects like this. I am also a runner (also 3-6 miles in the morning) and exercise every day in some form (combo running, hiking, biking, kickboxing, yoga, weight lifting, etc.) for general health and sanity. On day 3 of symptoms now.
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I have to change my response, after testing positive for covid yesterday. It was a good run, but everyone in the house now appears to have it. :P
Feel better soon. Symptoms not too bad?
I felt crappy yesterday, headache/runny nose/cough. Didn't sleep much last night either as the muscles in my chest kept twitching and were keeping me up (no idea if that's covid related, it was weird and not something that has happened to me before). Today I've got a runny nose and headache but feeling much better than yesterday.
So covid was very weird for me, not like a regular cold at all.
I had a day or two of feeling crappy (with the weird muscle twitching thing that kept me from sleep), then a couple days of feeling mildly sick. Then about four days later I felt 90% like usual. So, as I do with every cold I get . . . I started with some light exercise - usually this makes me feel better.
Prior to covid, I've been getting up every morning and running 5-10 km (usually alternating between jogging and sprinting) before work to wake up. So I first tried doing an easy 1 km run. Felt OK while running, got back to the house, and then felt extremely nauseous and pukey. Which is really odd, as I never ever get sick to my stomach. Then all of my symptoms worsened. I got a terrible headache, could barely breathe from the amount of snot running out of my nose, and was coughing non-stop. So I was 'OK, this is clearly not working' and gave up on exercise.
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Ugh, that sounds not good. That is like LongCovid is. Don't do any exercises or other heavy work (If you can with your muscle problems) and talk to your doctor. I can't remember the name of the antiviral medicine (and it is probably different name in the US anyway) but there is one that in the first trial results has reduced the chance of LongCovid a lot. I don't know how it is so long after the infection, but try to get it.
You don't want to feel like that for a year or maybe even your life.
Everyone good luck!
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btw. there is another medicine - a heart medicine in trial - that seems to work good against LongCovid in a test case in Erlangen. BC 007. Let's hope it really works and that wasn't a fluke.
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Yeah, I had a post virus autoimmune situation similar to long covid about 6 or 7 years ago. Thankfully I didn't have nausea, but the effects were acute for about 2 weeks, then gradually improved. But it took months and months (almost a year) to feel normal again.
And this was from an upper respiratory virus that was super mild in terms of symptoms, barely noticeable.
Since then, I've become autoimmune reactive to a lot of things that would never have bothered me in my younger years. I dread every illness b/c of the possible days to months of kickback I get afterward.
I did have covid once last year, and didn't have any autoimmune after-effects, but I'm well aware that I could have another 'lost year' at any point going forward. The weakness, the weird neurological issues, the tachycardia and racing heart. Ugh, it was awful and scary, and for a while I didn't know if it would ever go away.
I really hope you have a more rapid recovery, GuitarStv.
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There is some evidence that Paxlovid can reduce the chances of long covid - maybe this is what LennStar is referring to? I was able to get an rx for paxlovid since it was within 5 days of symptom onset and started taking it yesterday. I woke up in the middle of the night with a clear head but a horrible taste in my mouth...
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I took paxlovid the second time I got covid and yes that horrible taste is normal. Just do your best to ignore it and finish the course of the medicine.
The first time I got COVID was right as they realized the first vaccination was wearing off, but before anyone got a booster in my country. Thankfully I have good healthcare and I received Regeneron as my blood oxygen levels fell. Then I had exhaustion issues for pretty much an entire year. On the bright side, I just successfully did some pretty intense against the current ocean swimming daily for a week, so I think that is finally all resolved (>1 year post-COVID).
My colleague actually became partially paralyzed from COVID, now uses a walker, and can no longer drive months later. She's a decade younger than I am and a workaholic. She is still taking Paxlovid. Long term medicine for long COVID I guess.
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There is some evidence that Paxlovid can reduce the chances of long covid - maybe this is what LennStar is referring to? I was able to get an rx for paxlovid since it was within 5 days of symptom onset and started taking it yesterday. I woke up in the middle of the night with a clear head but a horrible taste in my mouth...
Likely that one. I think the people were older and with risk factors, but that is secondary.
If you get it in 5 days, it was a reduction of 89% - I don't remember if that was death or LongCovid, but both were drastically reduced.
Definitely worth a bad taste if that is all you get from it.
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There is some evidence that Paxlovid can reduce the chances of long covid - maybe this is what LennStar is referring to? I was able to get an rx for paxlovid since it was within 5 days of symptom onset and started taking it yesterday. I woke up in the middle of the night with a clear head but a horrible taste in my mouth...
Likely that one. I think the people were older and with risk factors, but that is secondary.
If you get it in 5 days, it was a reduction of 89% - I don't remember if that was death or LongCovid, but both were drastically reduced.
Definitely worth a bad taste if that is all you get from it.
Most definitely. I think I saw something closer to a 25% reduction in long covid in a recent study (not sure what the population was), but still worth it.
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I am pretty sure I had Covid a couple months before it was a "thing" But I got it last December after both vaccines the week I was scheduled to get the first booster. The worse part was I got it the 4rth week into my total knee replacement over Christmas and could not go to PT for 3 weeks cuz I got it pretty good. I have had 8 plus months of Digestive issues and there pretty sure its from the Covid. My system finally is getting back to normal and Im going to get the booster once a year not twice. On our street which is a peninsula of about 60 families at least 90% of the people got it and while no one died we had alot of people sick for a long time much past the two weeks.
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Still no covid for me, DH, or any of or parents.
Finally two of my siblings got it, but one works in customer service at a hotel and lives with a respiratory therapist who specifically works on severe covid patients. The other has minimal exposure except that she was exposed to her half sister when she had it who is an anti-vaxxer, anti-masker, and works in customer service.
I'm currently in self-imposed isolation because I have major surgery in a few weeks after waiting well over a year for a date because of how badly the pandemic has fuckered the Canadian healthcare system, so I'm not taking any exposure risks for ANY respiratory infection that will get my date cancelled.
Just got my 5th booster, the bivalent Pfizer, a few weeks ago, and my flu shot two days ago.
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I got the bivalent Pfizer (as my fifth shot) three or four weeks before getting covid . . . so it should have been at maximum effectiveness when I actually caught the disease. :P
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I got the bivalent Pfizer (as my fifth shot) three or four weeks before getting covid . . . so it should have been at maximum effectiveness when I actually caught the disease. :P
And hey, perhaps it saved you from ending up on a ventilator, who knows. Maybe not, I got swine flu twice and it was just as horrific the second time around. Individual immunity is a funny thing.
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Can't recommend the paxlovid enough if people are able to get it in time (thankful I have a good pcp on call and that all my bloodwork was current, which is also a prerequisite). Started taking it on Tuesday afternoon and head/chest really cleared up noticeably within the next 24 hours, breathing became easier, cough/wheeze went away. Tested negative this morning, although I will test again and am definitely not in running shape yet. Good stuff. I also had had the bivalent booster back in October, can't have hurt to be current on all the vaccines, either.
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I've avoided it (thru minimal exposure and 5 shots) until now. The past three months I've been going out and socializing A LOT, but never really big crowds...until the World Cup Finals watch party. Someone coughed on me as I waited in the beer line, and I just felt as if "that is not a smoker's cough". I put on a mask from my pocket and thought "if I don't catch it here, then those vaccines are miracles (which they are).
Sunday ..... Watch Party
Wednesday evening ....throat feels dry, but not painful
Thursday ... throat still feels dry...take COVID test. very faint positive. Take second test ( different brand). VERY POSITIVE.
At this point, I start self isolating, which sucks because I have a house full of people celebrating xmas and I'm in a small guest room. Still not feeling all that bad, but I'm in bed watching netflix and listening to podcasts because the room is so small. not even a chair.
Still don't feel sick, but I now a have minor dry cough. not a big deal.
Friday ... Feel like getting up because I've been in bed so long I'm sore. Nose intermittently congested or runny with mucus so thin it's like water dripping out of the nose. By evening I feel well enough to walk the dogs...
AND THEN IT HITS
I am wiped out, dizzy, feel dehydrated and weak after walking the dogs. There I was, out in 9 degree weather and so hot when I return that I have to eat popsicles to cool down.
The night isn't any easier...a bit achy and my teeth and jaws hurt. But still, I've had worse by far!
Saturday ... again, I feel okay. It feels like a slight cold, but I'm not exerting myself AT ALL, so I don't really know. Took bath and shower and now I'll be in bed for most of the day again because I'm trying to protect all the people having fun in my house.
Merry xmas and happy holidays to everyone!
Updates:
Sunday: I feel MUCH better. But I walked the dog (a short stroll in 9 degree weather) and I was sweating when I got back in the house. Not much exertion for that amount of sweat.
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We still mask regularly and restrict access to big gatherings. But my husband went deer hunting this week and at the end of the night felt obliged to accept a dinner invite from the property manager. So he ate out at a restaurant. Woke up this morning coughing. Now I'm feeling it as well. PCR scheduled for Monday first thing, but this will be the second postponed Xmas in a row for us b/c of Covid (assuming it's Covid).
Dammit.
ETA: At least he got a deer. Venison for our isolated holiday dinner.
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It should not go that fast. It's likely it's not from that dinner. More likely you were someplace together 3 days ago where you catched whatever it is.
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It should not go that fast. It's likely it's not from that dinner. More likely you were someplace together 3 days ago where you catched whatever it is.
Neither of us have gone anywhere except a couple brief stints into grocery stores, fully masked. Omicron's incubation period is listed as 2-4 days. ETA: To be clear, the dinner was 3 (Edit for losing track of days) nights ago.
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@BlueHouse , yep, that’s Covid. Sorry you’re suffering through it. Even after respiratory symptoms and aches and pains go away, the fatigue can take a while to go away. Take it easy on yourself and best of luck!