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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #250 on: July 28, 2017, 03:13:52 PM »
The terrible manager from this link had other updates, just as asshole/clueless:

First, Alison suspended them after the "ha ha I'm so much smaaaarter than former worker (I've got an MBA)" comment for being clueless.

Then this:

http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/is-the-work-environment-ive-created-on-my-team-too-exclusive.html#comment-1573249
For those not wanting to click over:
Iím on a suspension pending investigation from work. I am extremely bitter that the person who turned in the SnapChats couldnt come to me firstÖ


Hooray for good HR people! This entitled jerk may actually face consequences for their stupid, stupid actions!!

And as of today's open thread, this entitled jerk has been fired.
http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/open-thread-july-28-29-2017.html#comment-1578127

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #251 on: July 28, 2017, 03:28:41 PM »
I wonder if getting her question published in "Ask a Manager" contributed to her firing. There was someone who had a possible hostile workplace or harassment or age discrimination case - and you sent in enough details to be identifiable, confirming some of the employee's complaints.....

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #252 on: July 31, 2017, 08:01:08 AM »
The terrible manager from this link had other updates, just as asshole/clueless:

First, Alison suspended them after the "ha ha I'm so much smaaaarter than former worker (I've got an MBA)" comment for being clueless.

Then this:

http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/is-the-work-environment-ive-created-on-my-team-too-exclusive.html#comment-1573249
For those not wanting to click over:
Iím on a suspension pending investigation from work. I am extremely bitter that the person who turned in the SnapChats couldnt come to me firstÖ


Hooray for good HR people! This entitled jerk may actually face consequences for their stupid, stupid actions!!

And as of today's open thread, this entitled jerk has been fired.
http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/open-thread-july-28-29-2017.html#comment-1578127

Oooh I missed the open thread bit. There's a lot of discussion as to whether or not the letter and OP are fake. The reactions of admitting you were suspended then fired don't seem very troll like, but at the same time I have a hard time believing someone with seemingly that level of cockiness, where the original letter was pretty much "tell me I'm right," would also admit to the suspension and firing.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #253 on: July 31, 2017, 09:17:24 AM »
The terrible manager from this link had other updates, just as asshole/clueless:

First, Alison suspended them after the "ha ha I'm so much smaaaarter than former worker (I've got an MBA)" comment for being clueless.

Then this:

http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/is-the-work-environment-ive-created-on-my-team-too-exclusive.html#comment-1573249
For those not wanting to click over:
Iím on a suspension pending investigation from work. I am extremely bitter that the person who turned in the SnapChats couldnt come to me firstÖ


Hooray for good HR people! This entitled jerk may actually face consequences for their stupid, stupid actions!!

And as of today's open thread, this entitled jerk has been fired.
http://www.askamanager.org/2017/07/open-thread-july-28-29-2017.html#comment-1578127

Oooh I missed the open thread bit. There's a lot of discussion as to whether or not the letter and OP are fake. The reactions of admitting you were suspended then fired don't seem very troll like, but at the same time I have a hard time believing someone with seemingly that level of cockiness, where the original letter was pretty much "tell me I'm right," would also admit to the suspension and firing.

I really hope she posts the interactions.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #255 on: August 02, 2017, 12:21:30 PM »
The update we've been waiting for is here!

OMG....this whole segment...

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I had also downgraded  her end-of-year evaluation. I donít think she deserved the praise she received from the sales staff, my directorand client executives. Her work just wasnít that good to me. I thought if my team and I froze her out, she would leave. I called it un-managing.

My team found her quietness and her ability to develop sales presentations and connect with each client was very show-off-like. When she asked for help, we didnít take it seriously because we thought she acted like she knew everything and she was making us look bad by always going above and beyond for no reason.

How does one so lack self-awareness that they can write "all the staff senior to me liked this person's work and they acted in a professional, dedicated way and did a good job" and not start thinking, "hmm, maybe I'm the problem?"

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #256 on: August 02, 2017, 12:30:56 PM »
Holy. Shit.

This kind of childishness and lack of self-awareness is elementary-school level.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #257 on: August 02, 2017, 12:41:15 PM »
Amazing. I hope after they fired the entire team (!) they re-hired the "quiet" ex-employee who the team disliked because of "her ability to develop sales presentations and connect with each client" and who received praise "from the sales staff, my director and client executives." If that's the worst thing this hateful manager can come up with, you know she must be incredible.
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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #258 on: August 02, 2017, 12:54:12 PM »
Yeah, this one was really amazing for being completely clueless! 

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #259 on: August 02, 2017, 01:11:03 PM »
Just finding this thread. That last manager--OMG.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #260 on: August 02, 2017, 01:43:37 PM »
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I thought that as Ask a Manager you would side with a manager.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #261 on: August 02, 2017, 03:56:42 PM »
I was getting more and more convinced that the writer of Ask A Manager was getting trolled, because it did not seem possible this person is real, but apparently so. Although as people were pointing out in the comments, where was this person's own manager? Someone this clueless should not have been able to fool her supervisors into thinking she was doing a good job...

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #262 on: August 02, 2017, 04:12:03 PM »
There is no way this is a real, live person. No. I refuse to believe that someone this... out of touch with reality? Or social mores? I have no idea what... could exist, make it up to late 20s and be promoted to a management position and still think and act in this manner.

And the part where she wants to sue or somehow retaliate against this person for what they said in an exit interview and her company investigated and confirmed? Breathtaking and so very, very sad.

This has to be a joke. I'm gonna believe this is anyway.
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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #263 on: August 02, 2017, 04:29:30 PM »
There is no way this is a real, live person. No. I refuse to believe that someone this... out of touch with reality? Or social mores? I have no idea what... could exist, make it up to late 20s and be promoted to a management position and still think and act in this manner.

I had a former manager in his 50s who:
- came into the office one weekend and took home all the office chairs (he genuinely thought this would be fine)
- regularly commented on my appearance, told me he preferred my hair out rather than up
- was so paranoid that if more than two of his staff got together for a meeting he insisted on sitting in to make sure they weren't planning to overthrow him
- spent tens of thousands of dollars on a 65" flat screen, tech, and art for the office despite knowing we were under review and facing a possible merger
- gradually replaced more than half our team with people from his previous team in another state
- told my team I was pregnant when I wanted to announce my resignation and let them know I had taken another job

Emotionally immature people exist, and some of them are managers.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #264 on: August 02, 2017, 05:12:29 PM »
*snip*
I had a former manager in his 50s who:
[nutty stuff]
- told my team I was pregnant when I wanted to announce my resignation and let them know I had taken another job

Emotionally immature people exist, and some of them are managers.

And when your soon to-be-ex-coworkers asked you, you could put your hand over your navel and say solemnly "Yes.  And [manager] is the father."  (But not really.)
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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #265 on: August 03, 2017, 02:30:41 AM »
No way. I still can't quite believe it. In the update thy basically said "She was too good for my team and made us look bad" and "Her work wasn't good enough and she didn't have enough experience" - um, wot?

My secret hope is that the original quiet employee reads it and writes in. I'm sure there is further awfulness the "manager" isn't letting us know. Is an AAM post admissible in court? Because here's hoping this idiot is prosecuted - seems like the only way it would get into their thick skull.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #266 on: August 03, 2017, 07:44:14 AM »
There's a part of me that still smells troll in it all, but I can't figure out why. What's the purpose of trolling in this way? The original letter was very "tell me I'm right," and when the overwhelming response was "you are not right," I feel like a trolling response would have been "well my management says I was right, so there," and kind of sticking it to Alison and the regular commentators. Someone in the original comments suspected the LW might be a Baby Boomer/Gen X troll masquerading as a millennial manager that's so out of touch since the original letter included a lot of "I'm a millennial/we're all millennial" speak, which really isn't how millennials talk... but the updates don't reflect that as much either. I don't know. There's something still off about the letters and responses, but it may be my discomfort that there's someone out there who's just so out of touch with reality - not just a bad manager, but someone who is so incapable of listening to literally every source saying "you're in the wrong."

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #267 on: August 03, 2017, 09:51:40 AM »
I don't think it's a troll. I went to school with people like this. Most of them are (thankfully) in no position to ever manage anybody, but it's not impossible that someone like that could rise to a management position while continuing to be garbage.

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #268 on: August 09, 2017, 01:51:09 PM »
Oh my goodness. The entire thing reads like she desperately wanted to be the cool person, so let the other people manipulate her actions under the guise of being a good manager. That explains why she listened to her subordinates and gave the ex employee work to them. Also, she didn't want the ex to be promoted before she was, so gave her awful reviews since there wasn't work to be done.

But really, how the heck does the team take frequent brewery trips on company time without it A) being known by the rest of the company, and B) even allowed?!

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Re: OP Is the Only One Who Doesn't See It
« Reply #269 on: August 15, 2017, 10:24:36 AM »
From Ask A Manager today:

http://www.askamanager.org/2017/08/i-get-angry-when-my-coworkers-make-mistakes.html

So far at least, this one has hope.