Friend,
I need to tell you the truth.
It's been years since your voice has been heard.
The elites have abandoned you.
In fact, they never cared in the first place.
It's time for them to go.
I can't do it alone.
I need you to join PC Party right now.
There's no other way to beat the insiders.
Get your membership here. (https://www.ontariopc.ca/party_membership)
Doug
www.fordforleader.ca
Ford for Leader · Canada
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Where do I vote for none of the above?
When I was a kid growing up in Quebec, Ontario politics looked so sane and sensible. Now that I live in Ontario, Quebec doesn't look so bad. Where do I vote for none of the above?
Those seeking to take the reins – or help decide who will – must register with the party by Feb. 16, with the vote set to begin a few weeks later.
I believe you can influence whether Doug Ford becomes party leader or not.
From global news: https://globalnews.ca/news/4000084/ontario-pc-leadership-registration/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/4000084/ontario-pc-leadership-registration/)QuoteThose seeking to take the reins – or help decide who will – must register with the party by Feb. 16, with the vote set to begin a few weeks later.
For $10 you can vote for the party leader of your choice, as long as you join by Feb 16.
I believe you can influence whether Doug Ford becomes party leader or not.
From global news: https://globalnews.ca/news/4000084/ontario-pc-leadership-registration/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/4000084/ontario-pc-leadership-registration/)QuoteThose seeking to take the reins – or help decide who will – must register with the party by Feb. 16, with the vote set to begin a few weeks later.
For $10 you can vote for the party leader of your choice, as long as you join by Feb 16.
If you want to tank the Conservatives chances in Ontario you can always vote for Ford . . . :P
It's very hard, when each party has something you really don't like.
It's very hard, when each party has something you really don't like.
As was remarked in the thread about the last federal election, "choosing which party to vote for is like trying to decide which STD is right for you".
Any tips on how to avoid repeated requests for donations if I join the PC party to vote for not-Doug-Ford?
It's very hard, when each party has something you really don't like.
As was remarked in the thread about the last federal election, "choosing which party to vote for is like trying to decide which STD is right for you".
Any tips on how to avoid repeated requests for donations if I join the PC party to vote for not-Doug-Ford?
I *really* feel like I should start a political party. Problem is I am a massive introvert; knocking on doors campaigning is anathema to me. Sigh.
When I was a kid growing up in Quebec, Ontario politics looked so sane and sensible. Now that I live in Ontario, Quebec doesn't look so bad. Where do I vote for none of the above?
Green is a pretty safe protest vote. They'll never get enough votes to put someone in power while the first past the post system exists.
Educating our kids is the most important job in the world.
Right now, half of our grade 6 students aren’t meeting the provincial standard in math.
This is a crisis.
We need to focus on teaching kids facts, not ideology.
That’s why if I’m elected as leader, I’ll take issues like sex-ed to parents.
Because public schools should focus on getting kids ready to get great jobs.
Beyond that, parents should get the first and final say.
I will remain firm on this issue.
I have always respected the taxpayer.
I have always opposed the carbon tax.
I will always stand for parents deciding what their children learn at school.
There's still 4 days to join the party and be eligible to vote in the leadership race. I coughed up the $10 as part of my little campaign to keep Doug Ford out of office.
He e-mailed me his platform (as part of a mass e-mailing) today:QuoteEducating our kids is the most important job in the world.
Right now, half of our grade 6 students aren’t meeting the provincial standard in math.
This is a crisis.
We need to focus on teaching kids facts, not ideology.
That’s why if I’m elected as leader, I’ll take issues like sex-ed to parents.
Because public schools should focus on getting kids ready to get great jobs.
Beyond that, parents should get the first and final say.
I will remain firm on this issue.
I have always respected the taxpayer.
I have always opposed the carbon tax.
I will always stand for parents deciding what their children learn at school.
There's still 4 days to join the party and be eligible to vote in the leadership race. I coughed up the $10 as part of my little campaign to keep Doug Ford out of office.
He e-mailed me his platform (as part of a mass e-mailing) today:QuoteEducating our kids is the most important job in the world.
Right now, half of our grade 6 students aren’t meeting the provincial standard in math.
This is a crisis.
We need to focus on teaching kids facts, not ideology.
That’s why if I’m elected as leader, I’ll take issues like sex-ed to parents.
Because public schools should focus on getting kids ready to get great jobs.
Beyond that, parents should get the first and final say.
I will remain firm on this issue.
I have always respected the taxpayer.
I have always opposed the carbon tax.
I will always stand for parents deciding what their children learn at school.
And what part of this do you have a problem with?
There's still 4 days to join the party and be eligible to vote in the leadership race. I coughed up the $10 as part of my little campaign to keep Doug Ford out of office.
He e-mailed me his platform (as part of a mass e-mailing) today:QuoteEducating our kids is the most important job in the world.
Right now, half of our grade 6 students aren’t meeting the provincial standard in math.
This is a crisis.
We need to focus on teaching kids facts, not ideology.
That’s why if I’m elected as leader, I’ll take issues like sex-ed to parents.
Because public schools should focus on getting kids ready to get great jobs.
Beyond that, parents should get the first and final say.
I will remain firm on this issue.
I have always respected the taxpayer.
I have always opposed the carbon tax.
I will always stand for parents deciding what their children learn at school.
And what part of this do you have a problem with?
Let me see. Oh... pretty much everything.
It is written as if to a four year old. Massive non sequitur there about the carbon tax - let's just jam that in there somehow eh?
Parents shouldn't get the final say on education unless they happen to have degrees in education. Parents are free to teach whatever they like at home; school is to learn facts, ways of thinking, and so on (and no doubt it isn't a perfect system at the moment; but holy shit, I know that the education system is going to give my children a much better education than I would be able to on my own).
Sex-ed? I don't even remember the details of this but my God, we would be better as a race if we were a little less uptight about sex generally.
I have always respected the taxpayer?! Oh fuck off. Really.
I will bring back jobs toAmericaCanada because we've had some bad trade deals. Possibly the worst trade deals in history. I've made some great deals. I've always supported coal miners.
There's still 4 days to join the party and be eligible to vote in the leadership race. I coughed up the $10 as part of my little campaign to keep Doug Ford out of office.
He e-mailed me his platform (as part of a mass e-mailing) today:QuoteEducating our kids is the most important job in the world.
Right now, half of our grade 6 students aren’t meeting the provincial standard in math.
This is a crisis.
We need to focus on teaching kids facts, not ideology.
That’s why if I’m elected as leader, I’ll take issues like sex-ed to parents.
Because public schools should focus on getting kids ready to get great jobs.
Beyond that, parents should get the first and final say.
I will remain firm on this issue.
I have always respected the taxpayer.
I have always opposed the carbon tax.
I will always stand for parents deciding what their children learn at school.
And what part of this do you have a problem with?
The Liberals are giving taxpayer money to political parties to run their campaigns.
Just last year:
$5 million went to the Liberals.
$4 million went to the PC Party.
$0 is how much taxpayer money either party deserved.
Only the most politically corrupt insiders at Queen’s Park could believe this is a good idea.
Tax dollars shouldn’t go to political parties.
You know me.
You know I will stand up for taxpayers.
I’ll end the taxpayer slush fund for political parties.
You can't make this stuff up.
And I can't believe the amount of spam I'm getting from the party now that I've joined. Sigh.
Flailing at a carbon tax but no alternatives? That is not enough this close to the election.
We do have a provincial Green Party, but they seem to be totally off the media radar. I can't even remember if they had a candidate in my riding last time.
Flailing at a carbon tax but no alternatives? That is not enough this close to the election.
We do have a provincial Green Party, but they seem to be totally off the media radar. I can't even remember if they had a candidate in my riding last time.
Right! How can the Conservatives be this bad when all they have to do is look reasonable and sane and they'd absolutely demolish the Liberals??
I feel that Ontario needs a change but at this point... The Conservatives are not the change I would like to see. I guess it is too much to ask for to find a party that actually represents not just a narrow set of special interests, or is corrupt/power drunk and will do anything not to be booted out?
What happened to principles? To logic and rationale? I know it is facile to just blame the media/social media but... I want to scream. I really do.
I wonder what the NDP platform looks like?
It boggles the mind that the less likable brother of our crack addicted idiot of a mayor looks like the next face of the PC party in this province. :P
Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."
Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?
Good god. I didn't follow what was wrong with Doug Ford, (Since his brother was taken all the headlines) But who in the right mind looks at the US and says, we need some of that. Why couldn't the PC pick a bland, boring, CPA. He'd win out of pure hate for the liberals...Terrifying
http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-happened-the-last-time-someone-tried-to-make-ontario-great-again/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ndp-universal-health-care-1.4581129
I might actually go NDP.QuoteOntario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."
Aren't seniors the richest group in society? Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ndp-universal-health-care-1.4581129
I might actually go NDP.QuoteOntario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."
Aren't seniors the richest group in society? Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?
I have no idea. I am no richer than I was before being a senior. And in my rural area I know lots of definitely not rich seniors, including some who are in their 80's and still working part-time. To generalize massively, we seem to be in roughly the same income group we were in before retirement. Anyone have actual data? And median not average income (a few really rich people skew this upwards) or deciles or something that gives a reasonably accurate picture.
Back to the election - any idea when the parties will be done choosing candidates so we can get on with all the political excitement?Lots of information here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_2018). The latest date currently posted is April 14 for a nomination meeting. I am still waiting for someone from the NOTA (None Of The Above) party to run in my riding.
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information. I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules. Here is the information page. The petition is on change.org
I was reallypissedunhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money. Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here. I thought it was only federal.
PS I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/ (http://www.fairdebate.ca/) and got a server not found message. Is the web site address slightly different? It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information. I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules. Here is the information page. The petition is on change.org
I was reallypissedunhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money. Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here. I thought it was only federal.
PS I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/ (http://www.fairdebate.ca/) and got a server not found message. Is the web site address slightly different? It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
https://fairdebates.ca/
Thanks - I too find the platforms hard to understand. When Elizabeth May participated in the televised debate the Green vote went way up.Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information. I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules. Here is the information page. The petition is on change.org
I was reallypissedunhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money. Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here. I thought it was only federal.
PS I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/ (http://www.fairdebate.ca/) and got a server not found message. Is the web site address slightly different? It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
https://fairdebates.ca/
Thanks - Found them! Signed the petition. I have often actually gone online and read party platforms, but they are not always totally informative, more along the lines of motherhood and apple pie (or for Canada should that be butter tarts?). Debates matter.
Most of the nominations are done.My result wasn't a surprise. Green
I thought this was interesting. I'm off to see where they slot me.
https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home (https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home)
ETA about where I expected. Need to find out our candidates, I have seen very few lawn signs so far.
Most of the nominations are done.
I thought this was interesting. I'm off to see where they slot me.
https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home (https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home)
ETA about where I expected. Need to find out our candidates, I have seen very few lawn signs so far.
Ah it's all bullshit. I wish there were no parties, and you could talk to an individual human being that wasn't being lobbied by god knows who.
“I could have wielded a lot more power. I think I probably could still easily be leader of my party if I wanted to. I mean, I’m de facto the founder of my party,”
https://nota.ca/candidates/ (https://nota.ca/candidates/)
The "None of the Above" party has candidates in (57%) of the ridings and counting. There is now someone running in my riding so I might be giving them my vote.
https://nota.ca/candidates/ (https://nota.ca/candidates/)
The "None of the Above" party has candidates in (57%) of the ridings and counting. There is now someone running in my riding so I might be giving them my vote.
I think I'm going to vote green again. They have a pretty reasonable platform, full of ideas that sound like they have a decent shot of working. Which likely means that they've got no hope. :PI am hoping that they have a hope this election of winning at least a seat. Their priorities are a good place to start having a conversation about where we need to go. One part of their platform that I would really like to see implemented is the resource extraction rate. Right now we don't get much in the way of royalties for resources. The GPO would raise the rates so that the public benefit is 10%. Currently there is some funny accounting that some mineral extractors pay a royalty but get so many tax credits that the net result is very little money going into the public coffers. Saskatchewan gets way more money than Ontario for mineral extraction. And it is not like the mining company can pack up and move to another jurisdiction. I would hate to see all the buried wealth in the ring of fire not actually benefit Ontarians and particularly the indigenous communities living in the area with boil water advisories. I don't see it in their 9 priorities for this election though. I guess they are saving that for later. Too much needs fixing right away.
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU. And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going. I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies.And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.
Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area. Not voting for him.
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU. And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going. I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies.And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.
Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area. Not voting for him.
But unfortunately the NDP's environmental plan leaves a lot to be desired as well.Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU. And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going. I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies.And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.
Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area. Not voting for him.
Short term gain, long term pain - they have no foresight. Environmentally that leaves the NDP and the Green.
The very close brother of that mayor who was the subject of a criminal investigation, was high on crack cocaine and associating with gang members while in office! The guy who keeps ranting about how terrible sex ed is for children, and doesn't believe in climate change.
Yeah, that's who I want to give my wallet to.
Our local PC candidate seems ok. I'm not happy with Doug Ford though. What the hell, why couldn't they have picked Christine Elliot?
I've noticed that in my immediate neighborhood, there are almost no lawn signs on private property, which is unusual this close to an election. I've seen 2 Liberal signs (incumbent candidate is Liberal) and one Green.
I take it to mean that the whole riding is still pretty much undecided.
I agree.I've noticed that in my immediate neighborhood, there are almost no lawn signs on private property, which is unusual this close to an election. I've seen 2 Liberal signs (incumbent candidate is Liberal) and one Green.
I take it to mean that the whole riding is still pretty much undecided.
We have very few as well. It's as if the election were in early July, not early June. Almost no-one is talking about it.
I agree.I've noticed that in my immediate neighborhood, there are almost no lawn signs on private property, which is unusual this close to an election. I've seen 2 Liberal signs (incumbent candidate is Liberal) and one Green.
I take it to mean that the whole riding is still pretty much undecided.
We have very few as well. It's as if the election were in early July, not early June. Almost no-one is talking about it.
I talked about it a lunch with a few co-workers and they didn't even know the date was next week June 7th, one co-worker was sure it was June 14th.... required a Google search to verify.
https://www.elections.on.ca/en.html (https://www.elections.on.ca/en.html)
You can blame Prospector for posting something from this website. Look at thegoodiefunny I found ;-)
https://outabouter.com/2018/05/23/ford-down-to-reminding-everyone-that-if-elected-he-will-not-run-for-mayor-of-toronto/ (https://outabouter.com/2018/05/23/ford-down-to-reminding-everyone-that-if-elected-he-will-not-run-for-mayor-of-toronto/)
You can blame Prospector for posting something from this website. Look at thegoodiefunny I found ;-)
https://outabouter.com/2018/05/23/ford-down-to-reminding-everyone-that-if-elected-he-will-not-run-for-mayor-of-toronto/ (https://outabouter.com/2018/05/23/ford-down-to-reminding-everyone-that-if-elected-he-will-not-run-for-mayor-of-toronto/)
ROFL
Lawn Sign Watch, 2018 Edition, continues:
Some more Liberal signs have appeared, and I noticed that they are quite numerous in the neighboring riding. Back in my riding, there is a sudden surge in NDP signs, with a smattering of PC.
Overall, still relatively few signs, but perhaps people have realized that the election is happening whether or not they are ready for it.
@RetiredAt63 - this is precisely why we need proportional representation.
I completely stopped voting strategically about 15 years ago. And looking back, provincial and federal results have never elected my choice ever since I started voting 30 years. I now vote for the candidate that is best capable with the platform that aligns most closely. And unfortunately never gets in. But I remain hopeful.@RetiredAt63 - this is precisely why we need proportional representation.
OOOOOH, I know - and I want it. Federally and provincially. Then I could vote Green first, NDP second, and NOTA third.
@RetiredAt63 - this is precisely why we need proportional representation.
OOOOOH, I know - and I want it. Federally and provincially. Then I could vote Green first, NDP second, and NOTA third.
@RetiredAt63 - this is precisely why we need proportional representation.
OOOOOH, I know - and I want it. Federally and provincially. Then I could vote Green first, NDP second, and NOTA third.
That's not PR, that's ranked voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting (Edit: I was racking my brain to remember the term I knew, and it wasn't this - it was STV, Single Transferrable Vote, where your vote goes from your first to second to third choice as your earlier picks are eliminated).
PR is just seats = share of popular vote. Less likely to have majorities. Also difficult to determine who represents where/how you pick who is elected (as you are presumably voting for the party). (Not that I'm against either, but FPTP is 'easy' in a lot of ways, and PR is 'hard').
Yes, and we are all going to wake up with mammoth hangovers on Friday, no matter what happens. What with the temperature here this week, I may just stay in bed with the covers pulled over my head.TOMORROW!!!!! TOMORROW!!!!! TOMORROW!!!!!
Doug Ford majority.
You heard it here first folks.
yup - the least of the evils.
Really?I have friends who grew up in East Mississauga. They all swear it is a well known fact to go to Druggie Ford for your needs when they were in high school and university.
Does the public really want this guy? ( has anyone else linked to this?) https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/?error_code=4201&error_message=User+canceled+the+Dialog+flow#_=_ (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/?error_code=4201&error_message=User+canceled+the+Dialog+flow#_=_)
Article originally published in 2013, updated April 2018.
There was a CBC noon hour show a week or so ago. where one of the callers said she bought hash from Doug. Rita said it was an allegation, and the caller said no way, its the truth - I bought hash from him. I had to giggle.
ETA he is apparently against safe-injection sites too. Hello Pot? This is Kettle!
Doug Ford majority.
You heard it here first folks.
yup - the least of the evils.
What's your exit strategy?
Doug Ford majority.
You heard it here first folks.
yup - the least of the evils.
What's your exit strategy?
Planning on moving... to Alberta. Not, obviously, for political reasons. That's just a bonus, though by the time we do it there will probably be Conservatives there. But - not Doug Ford conservatives.
Doug Ford majority.
You heard it here first folks.
yup - the least of the evils.
What's your exit strategy?
When we elected a Ford here in TO, his crack buddies hooked him up often enough that he killed himself before the end of his term. It only cost us billions of dollars of wasted money cancelling shovel ready transit plans and replacing them with . . . nothing.
I did not vote for Doug, I voted for his team - I reckon a lot of people did. ;)
Doug Ford majority.
You heard it here first folks.
yup - the least of the evils.
What's your exit strategy?
When we elected a Ford here in TO, his crack buddies hooked him up often enough that he killed himself before the end of his term. It only cost us billions of dollars of wasted money cancelling shovel ready transit plans and replacing them with . . . nothing.
I did not vote for Doug, I voted for his team - I reckon a lot of people did. ;)
The problem is, "the team" has less and less power in Canadian politics (federally and provincially), and the leader of the winning party has more and more. So his team is going to have relatively little say.
Ontarians took a good long look at Rob Ford and Donald Trump last night . . . and said 'Yes, please! I want some more of that.'
On the plus side, now that they have a majority government maybe the party of fiscal responsibility will deign to allow us humble voters to learn how they're planning to pay for all of the things they said they were going to do.
Planning on moving... to Alberta. Not, obviously, for political reasons. That's just a bonus, though by the time we do it there will probably be Conservatives there. But - not Doug Ford conservatives.
The Beaverton gets it:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/06/good-fucking-luck-ontario/ (https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/06/good-fucking-luck-ontario/)
The Beaverton gets it:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/06/good-fucking-luck-ontario/ (https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/06/good-fucking-luck-ontario/)
So does John Milloy. He's written a thoughtful piece (minus the satire) that's worth reading, however you voted: https://www.pressreader.com/canada/waterloo-region-record/20180609/281702615413250
Planning on moving... to Alberta. Not, obviously, for political reasons. That's just a bonus, though by the time we do it there will probably be Conservatives there. But - not Doug Ford conservatives.
I'm not thinking that Jason Kenney Conservatives are going to be much fun - what with their Wildrose faction and apparent inability to do math.