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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2018, 10:53:12 AM »
Now I'm really looking forward to moving back to Quebec in a couple of years.  Yikes.

Even though Quebec has its own unique set of problems, at least the politics are amusing.

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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2018, 01:54:34 PM »
I know BC also has political issues, but VI looks better than ever.

And if Ford gets in*, I will tell every American who apologizes to me for Trump that they have good company in Ontario. I feel equally bad about my provincial premier.

*I can hope. but look how many ridings are in the GTA.  And most rural ridings vote Conservative.  So Ford winning is definitely a possibility.

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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2018, 12:01:33 PM »
Good god. I didn't follow what was wrong with Doug Ford, (Since his brother was taken all the headlines) But who in the right mind looks at the US and says, we need some of that. Why couldn't the PC pick a bland, boring, CPA. He'd win out of pure hate for the liberals...

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-happened-the-last-time-someone-tried-to-make-ontario-great-again/

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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2018, 05:55:17 PM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ndp-universal-health-care-1.4581129

I might actually go NDP.

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Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."

Aren't seniors the richest group in society? Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?

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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2018, 06:08:25 PM »
Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?

That sounds like a surefire way to not get voted in ever again.  :P

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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2018, 07:26:15 AM »
Good god. I didn't follow what was wrong with Doug Ford, (Since his brother was taken all the headlines) But who in the right mind looks at the US and says, we need some of that. Why couldn't the PC pick a bland, boring, CPA. He'd win out of pure hate for the liberals...

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-happened-the-last-time-someone-tried-to-make-ontario-great-again/
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« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2018, 07:46:03 AM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ndp-universal-health-care-1.4581129

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Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."

Aren't seniors the richest group in society? Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?

I have no idea.  I am no richer than I was before being a senior.  And in my rural area I know lots of definitely not rich seniors, including some who are in their 80's and still working part-time.  To generalize massively, we seem to be in roughly the same income group we were in before retirement.  Anyone have actual data?  And median not average income (a few really rich people skew this upwards) or deciles or something that gives a reasonably accurate picture.
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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2018, 11:21:10 AM »
I'm unsure what to do.   The Liberal government has stuck its fingers in several pots where they don't belong (EVs, green energy, Toronto real estate) while running constant budget deficits and not making much progress on real problems that they should be addressing (infrastructure maintenance and repair, health care, care for the soon to be elderly baby boomers).   

Ford did a interview where he didn't sound at all Trump like here:   https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/video-doug-ford-on-his-campaign-plans-as-new-leader-of-ontario-pc-party/   But I remain pretty skeptical.    We'll see what develops over the spring.

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« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2018, 03:15:11 PM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ndp-universal-health-care-1.4581129

I might actually go NDP.

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Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."

Aren't seniors the richest group in society? Can't we just get away from this "throw money at people who vote for us", and rather "spend money where it's actually needed - and, if it isn't, don't spend it"?

I have no idea.  I am no richer than I was before being a senior.  And in my rural area I know lots of definitely not rich seniors, including some who are in their 80's and still working part-time.  To generalize massively, we seem to be in roughly the same income group we were in before retirement.  Anyone have actual data?  And median not average income (a few really rich people skew this upwards) or deciles or something that gives a reasonably accurate picture.

I've read a few pieces over the years, this is the best I can find with a quick search: http://www.macleans.ca/politics/why-seniors-shouldnt-get-discounts/

Not sure if this helps on a quick glance, but it certainly shows 'Senior families' as having the largest median: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/140225/t140225b001-eng.htm

Seniors also get a larger tax free allowance I believe (~$17k rather than $11? Federally)... Plus CPP, OAS etc kicking in means you really ought to be at the least comfortable when hitting 65. 20% off here there and everywhere (I went to Shoppers on a Thursday a month or two back to pick up milk... they were out.. I asked someone and they said, yeah, the seniors come in and clear them out!).

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« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2018, 03:35:17 PM »
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CPP - depends on your pension plan.  My pension plan was a defined benefit one that assumed you would take CPP when you turned 65.  And its amount went down by the amount you would get from CPP when you turned 65, so no new income once CPP was started.  And of course OAS is clawed back once one has a decent retirement income (which I am OK with, the fact that I pay taxes means I have a decent enough income that I have to pay taxes). 

Your table - I looked at median net worth, and as expected it went up with age.  And I hope it would go up with age, or people have no savings for retirement.

I looked at median for senior families and single seniors, and single seniors had less than half the net worth of senior couples (246,000 versus 650,400).  Given that on average women live longer than men, and on average for more couples the husband is the older, a lot of those single seniors are elderly women.  And when I look at the elderly women I know, a lot of them are still in their family home, which implies a lot of that net worth is house.  So an interesting table, but a better breakdown would be nice.  Like net worth excluding house.  And show seniors broken down by age groups just like the other groups.  There will be a lot of difference between someone in their 60s (boomers) versus 70s (war babies) versus 80s versus 90s.

Plus, I would imagine the senior discounts are used a lot more by those who really need them.  I don't worry about shopping on the day I get the discount.  So Shoppers and Bulk Barn and so on may offer them (on different days, of course), but I rarely use them.  Other factors are more important, like doing all my errands in one trip.


Back to the election - any idea when the parties will be done choosing candidates so we can get on with all the political excitement?

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« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2018, 07:59:30 AM »
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Back to the election - any idea when the parties will be done choosing candidates so we can get on with all the political excitement?
Lots of information here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_2018.  The latest date currently posted is April 14 for a nomination meeting.  I am still waiting for someone from the NOTA (None Of The Above) party to run in my riding.

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« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2018, 08:01:18 AM »
I don't know if this is against forum rules for being too political but I haven't heard much about this in the mainstream media and it is not specifically political to one party although the Green Party will lose big time if not included.

Elections Ontario gives a per vote grant for political parties that get enough votes to meet a minimum threshold.  For this upcoming election, four political parties qualify for this public funding.  The Green Party of Ontario got enough votes in the last election to warrant getting public money for this election.  But the Liberals, NDP and PC and a media consortium decide privately who and how and when the voters get to hear for the televised leaders debate.  At this point in time, the Green Party Leader is not on the slate.  Even though the Green Party is receiving tax payer dollars, the people who rely a great deal on the leaders debate to decide who to vote for won't get to hear from one of the parties they are sponsoring. And I think how and when and where and who of the debate should be a transparent process.  This just seems undemocratic to me. 

I have signed petitions and have been emailing other party leaders to get all the leaders we are sponsoring at the debate but this issue is not getting a lot of media play.  Fairdebate.ca is the website and there is a change.org petition.

My apologies to the moderator if this crosses the line as too political.

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« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2018, 09:36:51 AM »
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information.  I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.

I was really pissed unhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money.  Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here.  I thought it was only federal.

PS  I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/  and got a server not found message.  Is the web site address slightly different?  It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
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« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2018, 11:33:24 AM »
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information.  I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.

I was really pissed unhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money.  Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here.  I thought it was only federal.

PS  I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/  and got a server not found message.  Is the web site address slightly different?  It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules.  Here is the information page.  The petition is on change.org
https://fairdebates.ca/

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« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2018, 02:19:53 PM »
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information.  I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.

I was really pissed unhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money.  Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here.  I thought it was only federal.

PS  I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/  and got a server not found message.  Is the web site address slightly different?  It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules.  Here is the information page.  The petition is on change.org
https://fairdebates.ca/

Thanks - Found them! Signed the petition.  I have often actually gone online and read party platforms, but they are not always totally informative, more along the lines of motherhood and apple pie (or for Canada should that be butter tarts?).  Debates matter.

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« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2018, 02:48:08 PM »
Frugal Lizard, in my opinion it is not too political, we are on an election thread after all, in Off Topic. This is useful information.  I for one will head to those sites, thank you for posting.

I was really pissed unhappy when the Conservatives dropped that federally - I knew my vote was getting the Greens some money.  Glad to know it still exists in Ontario, I didn't know it existed at all here.  I thought it was only federal.

PS  I went to http://www.fairdebate.ca/  and got a server not found message.  Is the web site address slightly different?  It isn't fairdebate.com, that goes to a US web site.
It is not easy to search and I thought perhaps posting a link would be against the rules.  Here is the information page.  The petition is on change.org
https://fairdebates.ca/

Thanks - Found them! Signed the petition.  I have often actually gone online and read party platforms, but they are not always totally informative, more along the lines of motherhood and apple pie (or for Canada should that be butter tarts?).  Debates matter.
Thanks - I too find the platforms hard to understand.  When Elizabeth May participated in the televised debate the Green vote went way up. 

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« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2018, 07:43:46 PM »
Wynne has started making major spending promises in the run up to the election.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-liberals-vow-to-spend-on-health-child-care-in-last-budget/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-wynne-pledges-21-billion-in-funding-for-mental-health-in-ontario/

This is one of the things politicians do that really piss me off.   Bribe me with my own money to vote for you, is it?

At least they're targeting the spending towards something worthwhile.

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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2018, 09:00:04 AM »
Finally some action.

This is a leaders' debate organized by Operation Black Vote Canada, a non-partisan non-profit that aims to increase political participation by Black Canadians of all ethnicities.  The Jamaican Canadian Association is hosting it.  I saw a poster forit with Kathleen Wynne (Liberal), Andrea Horvath (NDP), and Mike Schreiner (Green).  No Doug Ford.  Does he think he has their vote wrapped up?  Or does he think it is hopeless to get their vote so why bother?

The Black Community Provincial Leaders' Debate is this Wednesday! Didn't register in time? Watch online! The debate will be live streamed on our local media partner @Gbkm_fm YouTube & Facebook pages! You can also listen live at https://t.co/E1sJjrM06B or on the TuneIn Radio app! pic.twitter.com/UVYZeeO33w
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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2018, 03:37:53 PM »
Most of the nominations are done.

I thought this was interesting.  I'm off to see where they slot me.

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home

ETA about where I expected.  Need to find out our candidates, I have seen very few lawn signs so far.
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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2018, 04:18:17 PM »
Most of the nominations are done.

I thought this was interesting.  I'm off to see where they slot me.

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home

ETA about where I expected.  Need to find out our candidates, I have seen very few lawn signs so far.
My result wasn't a surprise.  Green

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« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2018, 04:36:22 PM »
I'm a Green PC.

Awkward meetings.

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« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2018, 04:41:03 PM »
Most of the nominations are done.

I thought this was interesting.  I'm off to see where they slot me.

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ontario/home

ETA about where I expected.  Need to find out our candidates, I have seen very few lawn signs so far.

About a dozen sprouted on my walk to the supermarket this weekend (Sunday, I think). All PC.

Suffice it to say, where I am will stay Blue.

Even last Federal election we stayed Conservative with the absolutely awful Cheryl Gallant.

Edit: Just did the 'test'. I am virtually smack bang in the middle of the graph. Seriously.

Ah it's all bullshit. I wish there were no parties, and you could talk to an individual human being that wasn't being lobbied by god knows who.
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« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2018, 05:07:24 PM »
Ah it's all bullshit. I wish there were no parties, and you could talk to an individual human being that wasn't being lobbied by god knows who.

So much this.

I am basically at the point where within my possible choice of parties I am going to vote by candidate.  My riding is not exactly a "swing" riding but it is not immovable either.

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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2018, 05:48:10 PM »
Hard to believe that we're on track to make the less likable brother of our crack smoking mayor our new premier.  Ford more years.  :P

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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2018, 05:50:50 PM »
Ford-finity years.

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« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2018, 03:30:29 PM »
Ford for PM!    Replace Andrew Scheer and the redoubtable Stephen Harper who says:   
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I could have wielded a lot more power. I think I probably could still easily be leader of my party if I wanted to. I mean, Im de facto the founder of my party,

I just had to get that off of my chest.   Bad memories of the Harper years.   Yech, I think I got some on my shirt.

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« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2018, 07:57:52 PM »
https://nota.ca/candidates/

The "None of the Above" party has candidates in (57%) of the ridings and counting. There is now someone running in my riding so I might be giving them my vote.   

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« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2018, 06:58:46 AM »
https://nota.ca/candidates/

The "None of the Above" party has candidates in (57%) of the ridings and counting. There is now someone running in my riding so I might be giving them my vote.   

There’s one in my riding; I keep seeing their signs. Do they have an actual platform?

Their initialism, NOTA, can also be read as the “NOTA Party” or “not a party”. Nice little play on words.

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« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2018, 07:05:35 AM »
https://nota.ca/candidates/

The "None of the Above" party has candidates in (57%) of the ridings and counting. There is now someone running in my riding so I might be giving them my vote.   

Their website is pretty lean. They seem pretty big on referendums and direct democracy though which I worry would bog down the legislative process. I think direct democracy would work better at lower levels of government.

I can’t imagine the level of voter fatigue and apathy if people were expected to vote on every proposed bill. Developing an informed opinion on each of them would be very time-consuming. Isn’t that why we elect representatives?

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« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2018, 07:14:13 AM »
I think I'm going to vote green again.  They have a pretty reasonable platform, full of ideas that sound like they have a decent shot of working.  Which likely means that they've got no hope.  :P

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« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2018, 08:41:36 AM »
I think I'm going to vote green again.  They have a pretty reasonable platform, full of ideas that sound like they have a decent shot of working.  Which likely means that they've got no hope.  :P
I am hoping that they have a hope this election of winning at least a seat.  Their priorities are a good place to start having a conversation about where we need to go. One part of their platform that I would really like to see implemented is the resource extraction rate. Right now we don't get much in the way of royalties for resources.  The GPO would raise the rates so that the public benefit is 10%.  Currently there is some funny accounting that some mineral extractors pay a royalty but get so many tax credits that the net result is very little money going into the public coffers.  Saskatchewan gets way more money than Ontario for mineral extraction.  And it is not like the mining company can pack up and move to another jurisdiction.  I would hate to see all the buried wealth in the ring of fire not actually benefit Ontarians and particularly the indigenous communities living in the area with boil water advisories.  I don't see it in their 9 priorities for this election though.  I guess they are saving that for later.  Too much needs fixing right away.

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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2018, 02:54:47 PM »
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU.  And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going.  I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies. 

Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area.  Not voting for him.

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« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2018, 05:28:48 PM »
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU.  And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going.  I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies. 

Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area.  Not voting for him.
And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.

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« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2018, 07:44:42 AM »
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU.  And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going.  I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies. 

Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area.  Not voting for him.
And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.

Short term gain, long term pain - they have no foresight. Environmentally that leaves the NDP and the Green.

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« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2018, 07:58:39 AM »
Re resources - our pollution standards are also way more lax than either the US (!) or the EU.  And when they are violated, we slap on little fines (well, little in regard to what these companies are making) and they just keep on going.  I think of us as a "third world country with educated labour" for foreign companies. 

Relevant - the Liberal candidate in my riding is a mayor who is in favour of a big heavy industry development downwind and downstream of his municipality, but voted against a much less polluting development (stinkier though) in his area.  Not voting for him.
And the cap and trade exempts 150 of the worst polluting companies from complying.

Short term gain, long term pain - they have no foresight. Environmentally that leaves the NDP and the Green.
But unfortunately the NDP's environmental plan leaves a lot to be desired as well.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2018, 05:20:37 PM »
I think Green is the way to go. While I always worry that it's a wasted vote, it would be nice to vote FOR something for a change, rather than casting a defensive vote to keep someone out.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2018, 08:01:00 PM »
I'm not sure.   My local Green candidate seems very young.   https://gpo.ca/candidate/patrick-freel/

But it would be nice to vote for something instead of against something.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2018, 07:16:22 AM »
Those young NDP federal MPs that came in on the Orange wave (Jack Layton) have worked hard and done OK as MPs.  MGreen candidate is middle aged, got his green roots in cottage country (so did I).  Daniel Reid.  Yes, it is nicer to vote for than against.  Nice if votes mean something.  Time to start bugging the feds about election reforms again and get rid of this first past the post garbage, where our Green (or whatever) votes count for nothing if our candidate doesn't get in.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2018, 03:29:05 PM »
The Orange guys want to spend an awful lot of money they don't have.   It's starting to look like minority government territory - the only bright spot in this terrible election.


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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2018, 05:32:11 AM »
Will it though? Seems like NDP are too spread out according to what I've read. When you look at polls that list seat numbers, it leans a lot more PC than NDP.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2018, 06:31:02 AM »
I am wondering what will happen now that the NDP have admitted the 1.5 billion error in their calculations?   It was a big projected deficit before. 

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2018, 06:39:23 PM »


Watching the debate tonight, Kathleen and Andrea made some great points and facts, Doug seemed interested in platitudes.  Doug, I am not your friend.

Mercifully, the Liberal and NDP candidates in my riding have the most credibility, perhaps a function of transparency.**   I watched a youtube debate** in our riding, and will be going to our local debate tomorrow night.  I hope to see someone really show why I should vote for them. I dont believe in holding my nose.

**oddly enough, the Communist Party Candidate seemed more prepared than the PC candidate in this debate.  Full Transparency - this riding has only ever been Liberal or NDP.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #92 on: May 28, 2018, 02:57:41 AM »
I think I'm actually going to vote NDP. I was planning on voting Conservative before Ford became leader, but he is a populist nutjob of exactly the kind we - and everyone - does not need.

I really dislike most self-serving union stuff, I dislike tax and spend, but I'm behind better health coverage for everyone.

Electricity prices I don't know. The Liberal borrow-on-your-behalf-to-lower-prices thing is just ludicrous, when it expires we're going to be in a massive mess (especially as electric cars will be sucking up more and more power). Baffling.

I didn't watch the debate, as I'm not at home at the moment.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #93 on: May 28, 2018, 07:54:25 AM »
It's kinda weird that the election is two weeks away and the Conservatives have chosen not to tell people what their platform will be.  Vote for us!!! We promise to _______!

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #94 on: May 28, 2018, 11:09:49 AM »
These days, democracy seems worse off than ever ...

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #95 on: May 28, 2018, 11:41:50 AM »
I'd accept a rational platform without details, like we will make things better while being totally transparent. This will include cuts to some portions that will be assessed as superfluous, and increases to areas of need.

I don't accept: WE WILL MAKE THINGS BETTER BY DOING BETTER. We will not cut anything, but everything will cost less. MAGIC.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #96 on: May 28, 2018, 11:53:16 AM »
I agree not having a well thought out and public platform is hurting the PC party. I guess the strategy of not having one is to limit risk. One less thing the other parties can attack.

I am still thinking about the line Doug Ford said in the debate "Who would you rather give your wallet too" ..... 

I don't want to give it to any party!
 

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #97 on: May 28, 2018, 12:37:20 PM »
The very close brother of that mayor who was the subject of a criminal investigation, was high on crack cocaine and associating with gang members while in office!  The guy who keeps ranting about how terrible sex ed is for children, and doesn't believe in climate change.

Yeah, that's who I want to give my wallet to.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #98 on: May 28, 2018, 01:28:33 PM »
The very close brother of that mayor who was the subject of a criminal investigation, was high on crack cocaine and associating with gang members while in office!  The guy who keeps ranting about how terrible sex ed is for children, and doesn't believe in climate change.

Yeah, that's who I want to give my wallet to.

He is indeed the worst.  Here in KW we've had a number of PC incumbents at the federal and provincial levels who are tub-thumping holier-than-thou pro-lifers.  The tide started turning a few years ago.  But there are no good choices with any party this time around.

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Re: Ontario general election - what to do?
« Reply #99 on: May 28, 2018, 03:43:30 PM »
Our local PC candidate seems ok.   I'm not happy with Doug Ford though.   What the hell, why couldn't they have picked Christine Elliot?