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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2019, 01:14:11 PM »
J'Oden - You're welcome.  Like your significant other, I'm at a loss to understand why someone would want to experience hallucinations as my experience with them was so distressing as a child.  But I know plenty of people who have used these types of drugs and enjoyed it so I guess it's just a personal hang up due to my childhood experiences.  I also wonder a bit if schizophrenia could be genetic and using various drugs would somehow 'unlock' that part of my brain.

You may be interested in "How to Change your Mind" by Michael Pollen.   He talks quite a bit about how psychedelics are believed to work.   Under the correct conditions, psychedelics can cause long-term position changes in mental health, but can cause psychotic breaks in people disposed to mental illness.   


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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2019, 12:53:14 AM »
Have not read Pollan, but have read Aldous Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception Heaven and Hell'.  Huxley tried magic mushrooms in Los Angeles in the fifties, and wrote about his experiences. He had the impression that there is a torrent of perceptions pouring into us, and the brain slows it down to a trickle, just to allow the brain's owner to survive in a hostile world.

Some people think that changing our mood with chemicals is a reasonable thing to do, and we do that often with tea or coffee and alcohol. The substances ingested must be safe, but if they are safe, I agree that changing the way you see the world in a positive way is a reasonable thing to do.

I do not say that mind altering substanbces are safe now, but they may be in the future.



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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2019, 01:00:38 AM »
Have not read Pollan, but have read Aldous Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception Heaven and Hell'.  Huxley tried magic mushrooms in Los Angeles in the fifties, and wrote about his experiences. He had the impression that there is a torrent of perceptions pouring into us, and the brain slows it down to a trickle, just to allow the brain's owner to survive in a hostile world.

Some people think that changing our mood with chemicals is a reasonable thing to do, and we do that often with tea or coffee and alcohol. The substances ingested must be safe, but if they are safe, I agree that changing the way you see the world in a positive way is a reasonable thing to do.

I do not say that mind altering substances are safe now, but they may be in the future.

Substances like coffee and alcohol might not have passed the narcotics laws in many countries, had they been introduced today. Especially alcohol causes a lot of negative side effects for society (drunk driving, violence etc).

In Norway, a person was recently put in jail for 2 years for bringing along a bunch of mushrooms into the country. No way that I would consider smuggling them in.

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2019, 05:37:26 AM »
Paging @wooljaguar.

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2019, 06:08:58 AM »
Have not read Pollan, but have read Aldous Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception Heaven and Hell'.  Huxley tried magic mushrooms in Los Angeles in the fifties, and wrote about his experiences. He had the impression that there is a torrent of perceptions pouring into us, and the brain slows it down to a trickle, just to allow the brain's owner to survive in a hostile world.

Some people think that changing our mood with chemicals is a reasonable thing to do, and we do that often with tea or coffee and alcohol. The substances ingested must be safe, but if they are safe, I agree that changing the way you see the world in a positive way is a reasonable thing to do.

I do not say that mind altering substanbces are safe now, but they may be in the future.

It took me a little bit to parse through this. Possibly due to not changing my mood enough with coffee. :)

If I'm understanding you correctly, you feel that it is reasonable to change your perception in a positive manner using chemicals, and that mind altering substances aren't currently safe, but they might be?

In Norway, a person was recently put in jail for 2 years for bringing along a bunch of mushrooms into the country. No way that I would consider smuggling them in.

No good deed goes unpunished. Will it actually be 2 years for that person in Norway? Or is it like the US, where it's 2 years, and then 2 other years of something else, and then...

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2019, 11:17:57 PM »
Paging @wooljaguar.

Oh, hi! I don't have much time to expound upon this right now (finals week!) but my views on legality and stigma are pretty well summed up here.

It's pretty common knowledge that I'm pro-psychedelic, since I'm indeed working on devoting my life to psychedelic therapy pretty much the minute it becomes legal, if not beforehand (in a research setting).

I do feel the need to speak directly to this, @Hula Hoop:

I also wonder a bit if schizophrenia could be genetic and using various drugs would somehow 'unlock' that part of my brain.

...by confirming your wonderings. Indeed, the cases of people who get lost and never come back from psychedelic use are, so far, pretty much all documented cases of underlying schizophrenia, psychosis, mania, or bipolar disorder that were triggered by these drugs. It's highly contraindicated for people with an individual history or immediate family history of these kinds of disorders—the ones that lean toward mental chaos rather than mental rigidity—to experiment with this class of drugs. Not every drug is for every person.

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2019, 11:53:26 PM »

You may be interested in "How to Change your Mind" by Michael Pollen.   He talks quite a bit about how psychedelics are believed to work.   Under the correct conditions, psychedelics can cause long-term position changes in mental health, but can cause psychotic breaks in people disposed to mental illness.   


https://smile.amazon.com/Change-Your-Mind-Consciousness-Transcendence-ebook/dp/B076GPJXWZ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=37OW9TV7L9MAM&keywords=how+to+change+your+mind+michael+pollan&qid=1558292986&s=gateway&sprefix=how+to+change+%2Caps%2C218&sr=8-3

I have now started with mindfulness. I have just read that this can also physically change your mind. So maybe the same can be achieved by just meditating.

I have started on the other book that was mentioned, about microdosing. That was not about mushrooms, but about microdosing on Cannabis. But I'll read it anyway, as it doesn't hurt to gain more insights.

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2019, 08:24:19 AM »
Some people think that changing our mood with chemicals is a reasonable thing to do, and we do that often with tea or coffee and alcohol. The substances ingested must be safe, but if they are safe, I agree that changing the way you see the world in a positive way is a reasonable thing to do.

I do not say that mind altering substanbces are safe now, but they may be in the future.

It took me a little bit to parse through this. Possibly due to not changing my mood enough with coffee. :)

If I'm understanding you correctly, you feel that it is reasonable to change your perception in a positive manner using chemicals, and that mind altering substances aren't currently safe, but they might be?
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You got there, Oden. What is hard to understand?




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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2019, 12:58:12 PM »
I do feel the need to speak directly to this, @Hula Hoop:

I also wonder a bit if schizophrenia could be genetic and using various drugs would somehow 'unlock' that part of my brain.

...by confirming your wonderings. Indeed, the cases of people who get lost and never come back from psychedelic use are, so far, pretty much all documented cases of underlying schizophrenia, psychosis, mania, or bipolar disorder that were triggered by these drugs. It's highly contraindicated for people with an individual history or immediate family history of these kinds of disorders—the ones that lean toward mental chaos rather than mental rigidity—to experiment with this class of drugs. Not every drug is for every person.

Thanks wooljaguar.  Glad I've always stayed on terra firma then.  I guess trying psychedelics will have to be one of those things (like climbing Mount Everest) that I never try.

Good luck with your finals!

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Re: Mustachians and Psychedelics
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2019, 03:35:40 PM »
You got there, Oden. What is hard to understand?

Nothing. I just thought maybe I had missed something specific or meaningful. But it sounds like I get what you are saying. Thanks for clarifying.