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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2016, 01:41:27 PM »
Not misconstruing at all, people are suggesting that they should discuss it with their spouse. I think that is a completely selfish response given the circumstances.

Yup, moving on. This one is not for me.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2016, 06:03:28 PM »
Not misconstruing at all, people are suggesting that they should discuss it with their spouse. I think that is a completely selfish response given the circumstances.

Yup, moving on. This one is not for me.

Having feelings is very different than acting on them, which is the part you seem to be missing.

Other people are suggesting that it is a way to deal with the issue (unwanted feelings) in such a way that builds trust in your relationship with your actual spouse. Perhaps those people have a stronger marriage than you do and/or are more comfortable talking about such issues with their spouse than you?

One reason talking through issues like this is beneficial is it is often possible to remove the intrigue or allure of "illicit thoughts" simply by talking about them. In other words, transparency helps mitigate or remove the problem entirely.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2016, 06:55:25 PM »
No. it's selfish bs. Pretend you are not selfish, but everyone clearly sees that basically what you are saying is if I tell my wife I want to commit adultry and we talk about it, I will feel better.

Selfish bs liberal crap. It's ruining America. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

JFK is rolling in his grave.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2016, 07:22:52 PM »
Recognize that you are human, and you will naturally be attracted to other people from time to time.  Then, ensure that you arrange your life to minimize the situations where you might be the position to act upon those temptations.
Yes. "I like this workmate and I am pretty sure she likes me, too. Oh hey look, we have both been offered the opportunity by work to go interstate for a conference, they want to put us up in a twin suite... Um, I think I'll let someone else take my place."

That is an extreme but illustrative example. You can maximise your time with the person you're attracted to, or minimise it. If you are happily married and wish to remain so, I would suggest minimising that time. Attraction is a plant that requires the sunlight of attention and watering of intimacy. 

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2016, 07:37:27 PM »
Recognize that you are human, and you will naturally be attracted to other people from time to time.  Then, ensure that you arrange your life to minimize the situations where you might be the position to act upon those temptations.
Yes. "I like this workmate and I am pretty sure she likes me, too. Oh hey look, we have both been offered the opportunity by work to go interstate for a conference, they want to put us up in a twin suite... Um, I think I'll let someone else take my place."

That is an extreme but illustrative example. You can maximise your time with the person you're attracted to, or minimise it. If you are happily married and wish to remain so, I would suggest minimising that time. Attraction is a plant that requires the sunlight of attention and watering of intimacy.

I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I enjoyed; especially if they shared interests or activities (such as work projects) that my current partner didn't.

I can see 2buttons point; some people are in relationships that thrive on absolutely open communication and joint decision making. Others are more comfortable taking responsibility for their actions and can self-police their own feelings to ensure that no forbidden actions occur without burdening their partner with needless worries of fidelity.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2016, 10:51:00 PM »

I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I lust after  enjoyed; especially if they shared interests or activities (such as work projects) that my current partner didn't.


Fixed that for you...  I think you may have missed the utter point of this thread -- it is not about "I have a friend who is a girl / guy that I have common interests with"... but rather about someone that "I find myself physically and emotionally attracted to in a romantic and sexual context" ...someone not my partner whom I made a vow to.

You bet your bottom dollar that I would expect my husband to minimize exposure / contact to a person that he was strongly sexually / emotionally attracted to...  and not go play tennis with her, or sit a flirt with her over drinks at a conference!  Indeed, I expect the same of myself.



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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2016, 11:38:56 PM »
I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I enjoyed
I didn't mention what the spouse did or didn't require the person to do. I mentioned controlling your environment. To be clear, nobody is talking about simply sharing time with others. We're talking about sexual attraction. If you are happily married and wish to stay so, then it is wise to control your environment, so as not to excessively test your ability to resist temptation.

If you have a weight problem, you should probably not permanently have a bowl of lollies on the dinner table.
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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2016, 11:45:33 PM »

I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I lust after  enjoyed; especially if they shared interests or activities (such as work projects) that my current partner didn't.


Fixed that for you...  I think you may have missed the utter point of this thread -- it is not about "I have a friend who is a girl / guy that I have common interests with"... but rather about someone that "I find myself physically and emotionally attracted to in a romantic and sexual context" ...someone not my partner whom I made a vow to.

You bet your bottom dollar that I would expect my husband to minimize exposure / contact to a person that he was strongly sexually / emotionally attracted to...  and not go play tennis with her, or sit a flirt with her over drinks at a conference!  Indeed, I expect the same of myself.

My statement holds true if the interests or activities are sex.  Clearly some relationships have burdensome expectations of behaviors that others do not. Nothing wrong with either way, really.

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« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2016, 12:02:26 AM »

I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I lust after  enjoyed; especially if they shared interests or activities (such as work projects) that my current partner didn't.


Fixed that for you...  I think you may have missed the utter point of this thread -- it is not about "I have a friend who is a girl / guy that I have common interests with"... but rather about someone that "I find myself physically and emotionally attracted to in a romantic and sexual context" ...someone not my partner whom I made a vow to.

You bet your bottom dollar that I would expect my husband to minimize exposure / contact to a person that he was strongly sexually / emotionally attracted to...  and not go play tennis with her, or sit a flirt with her over drinks at a conference!  Indeed, I expect the same of myself.

My statement holds true if the interests or activities are sex.  Clearly some relationships have burdensome expectations of behaviors that others do not. Nothing wrong with either way, really.

I beg to differ... There is something wrong with not having the expectation of monogamy in committed partnership.   You can't change the rules just because you feel like it, and OP indicated that they were not in a polyamorous relationship from the start.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2016, 05:38:14 AM »
How do you handle it? You stop being a f'ing a$$hole and recognize that you committed your life to another person contractually (and for some of us in faith), and its built on mutual trust

Its marriage, not a pair of socks.
Marriage can mean a lot of different things for different people.
(For example there is a chinese minority who has wandering husbands - (simplified:) the man only go to their wives in the night and live in their own house for the day)

Please do not think your definition of marriage is universal and put the moral shackles on other people. If they think their marriage is a "build on faith" strict-monogamal one, then let them decide if what they are doing is right or not. Same for poly-marriages.

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Maybe I am old fashioned, but all of this sounds like insanity to me. 
Here too. This is a topic where its very hard to unnecessarily hurt people.

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without burdening their partner with needless worries of fidelity.
Here you predefine 3 things:
(in)fidelity
burdening
worries
every one of those 3 points may be valid but may very well be not. Which one is depends of the individual arrangement.


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I beg to differ... There is something wrong with not having the expectation of monogamy in committed partnership.   You can't change the rules just because you feel like it, and OP indicated that they were not in a polyamorous relationship from the start.
Goldilocks, you too make statements that are guesses without knowing the excact situation (I think you are right in the case of the OP, but you still do put your sights on their situation).
But the point I strongly oppose in your statement is the "you cant change the rules". Thats wrong. You can. You cant do this alone without breaking the contract of course, but liek in economics, if both parties agree to change the contract its valid.
People change over time. Several times, often quite profoundly. To state that you are binded eternally to a commitment made X years ago is like saying you should not take medicine because your grand-grand-grandfather didnt take a drop.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #60 on: October 08, 2016, 06:43:28 AM »
Recognize that you are human, and you will naturally be attracted to other people from time to time.  Then, ensure that you arrange your life to minimize the situations where you might be the position to act upon those temptations.
Yes. "I like this workmate and I am pretty sure she likes me, too. Oh hey look, we have both been offered the opportunity by work to go interstate for a conference, they want to put us up in a twin suite... Um, I think I'll let someone else take my place."

That is an extreme but illustrative example. You can maximise your time with the person you're attracted to, or minimise it. If you are happily married and wish to remain so, I would suggest minimising that time. Attraction is a plant that requires the sunlight of attention and watering of intimacy.

I would struggle not to resent a partner who required me to minimize time with people whose company I enjoyed; especially if they shared interests or activities (such as work projects) that my current partner didn't.

I can see 2buttons point; some people are in relationships that thrive on absolutely open communication and joint decision making. Others are more comfortable taking responsibility for their actions and can self-police their own feelings to ensure that no forbidden actions occur without burdening their partner with needless worries of fidelity.

My post didn't say that your partner required anything of you.  My suggestion was that you take responsibility for your actions on your own and work to prevent a problem before it occurs.  I don't think it's likely that I would sleep with a woman I work with, but why put myself in a situation where this would need to be tested?  Unless you think that you've got some special power of resisting temptation, the sheer numbers of people who end up cheating on their spouses should indicate the prudence of this course of action.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2016, 06:43:36 AM »
I'm a bit reluctant to respond given the direction this thread has taken, but here goes anyway.  Anonymous account created because this is not a public topic for me.

I'm very happily married, for 11 years.  We have a truly incredible marriage.  We respect each other intellectually, we're compatible sexually, we're on the same page with finances and the kids.  Approaching FI quite quickly (this is the MMM forum so let's throw that in there.)  And we're really good at communication.  Neither of us is the jealous type.  We were close friends for over a decade before we became a couple, and so naturally we knew each other's pre-us significant others and we can still talk about previous relationships, etc.  It is a very peaceful and chilled-out marriage.

So for the first 10 years of marriage, I was truly never tempted by anyone.  I wondered once or twice what would happen if I were....because logically, it was going to happen at some point.  And I agree with the previous poster that no matter how incredible your spouse might be, a single person can't be everything in the world. 

Last August, it happened.  Conference travel, met a colleague I'd met once before years ago.  My reaction about knocked me over- physical, intellectual, emotional attraction of vast proportions, and in both directions.  Luckily I have ironclad self control and don't believe in infidelity.  Nothing happened.  Came home, intended to forget all about it.  But didn't forget all about it.  I spent two months trying to, and mulling over the questions- What am I feeling...what is it appropriate to be feeling...what am I going to do about it anyway.  Threw myself into work, threw myself into exercise every day, turned to my spouse and really focused on that connection and closeness.  Lost 20 pounds from the stress + exercise.

At the same time, spouse and I were focusing on connecting and exploring our marriage...and eventually we talked about it.  It took 2+ months for me to decide if I was being selfing by talking, if it would hurt my spouse to make myself feel better- I don't believe in that, either.  But in this case, talking was the right decision.  We are good communicators, we are not jealous, and it was not hurtful in the end.  My relief was vast, and my spouse was absolutely touched by my trust to be able to talk about it. 

And in our case...my spouse was exploring the concept of marriage and partnerships and what they can be.  And we agreed (and it was not my idea) to explore the idea of opening our marriage.  Periodically for work I fly to this colleague's city.  And we generally see each other twice a year at conferences.  So it has been just over a year.  Twice last fall I flew there for work and we were together.  Once this spring I flew there and we met for dinner with other friends because we were not both free to be with each other, and we were NOT together.  And this month we met at a conference and were together.

Always with my spouse's approval and blessing.

I don't know how unusual this situation is- to me it feels very unusual because I grew up with a strict definition of monogamous marriage.  And also, I don't necessarily recommend it- without excellent communication and understanding, I think something like this could go south really quickly.    If I were doing it out of a place of discontentment with my marriage, to run away and escape, to try to fill a vast hole of what's missing in my life- that could go south quickly too.  But we're doing this from a place of a VERY strong marriage, a very happy and peaceful marriage.

And it's been really hard at times.  The difficult parts have come from my emotional attraction to my colleague.  I fell rather hard, resulting in an emotional up-and-down as that relationship has come and gone over the last year.  If I were chill about it, it would have prevented 95% of the resulting angst for both me and my spouse.  It's something I'm working on, and still assessing if it's worth it to continue.  (On the other hand, if I were chill about it, it wouldn't have happened at all....)  And...it's hard because I have nobody I can trust to talk to about any of it except the two folks involved.  It would be nice to have a friend to confide in.

But for us, me and my spouse, in our very specific case, it has been an adventure that I wouldn't undo.  It has brought us closer.  Significantly.  It has made our good communication even better.  It has helped me overcome some rather large inhibitions.  It has made our trust in each other vast.  And it's opened us to be free to discuss what we want and what can make us closer.  But never in a million years did I expect we'd take our marriage in this direction.

So there's a high-level version of my story, that I've never shared anywhere.  Hope it was helpful.

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« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2016, 09:22:52 AM »
Thank you, AnonOctober, for sharing. I know it's not easy to talk about these things. There are so many forces that keep us from sharing and make us retreat into our own minds, which can make this oh-so-much-more torturous.

I can completely understand how you lost all that weight and started exercising more. I've been having to go on long walks just to process my thoughts and feelings. My appetite hasn't been as strong.

On my front, things are going better with my crush. I have no idea if he sensed my feelings, but he indicated that something I said to him was sexy in a private message yesterday, after which he said, "No, I'm not hitting on you. You and my wife would really get along." What a relief to air it out in the open like that: the implicit made explicit. I'm sure some people will read this and be horrified, but obviously they haven't met someone who they bonded with strongly or who got their motors running, both mentally and emotionally. It can be a wonderful thing if it remains controlled.

The older I get and the more I find myself in the fog of raising children and just being all things to all people, the less I take for granted real human connection. Where ever it comes. Yeah, it opens me up to fuck up royally. Life is easier when you don't meet new people and open yourself up to them. But new experiences and new lessons -- that's the shit.

I hope to be able to eventually share all this with my spouse, but it's not the right time for us. 

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2016, 09:26:14 AM »
No. it's selfish bs. Pretend you are not selfish, but everyone clearly sees that basically what you are saying is if I tell my wife I want to commit adultry and we talk about it, I will feel better.

Selfish bs liberal crap. It's ruining America. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

JFK is rolling in his grave.

I have a hard time understanding the venom and passion you have for a marriage where open communication is not a goal and where the idea of asking for your spouses help with something is such a terrible and horrible thing.

I'm sorry that's the sort of marriage you have.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2016, 09:29:36 AM »
No. it's selfish bs. Pretend you are not selfish, but everyone clearly sees that basically what you are saying is if I tell my wife I want to commit adultry and we talk about it, I will feel better.

Selfish bs liberal crap. It's ruining America. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

JFK is rolling in his grave.

I really feel like there are better ways to express this idea. This thread overall has been a wonderfully open dialogue. Your views are absolutely welcome I'm sure, but I think there's better ways you could bring them in that would make others more receptive, add to the conversation more, and generally keep to the forum rule of "don't be a jerk". Using closed language that targets specific posters does no good for this thread.

Thanks =)

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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2016, 09:51:18 AM »
This is an interesting thread! Thanks to those who shared your stories, it takes courage, even with throwaway accounts, and I think they are important stories to tell precisely because it is not something encouraged by society (same reason why I find discussions about parents who regret having children really important), because life isn't always "ideal" and we shouldn't pretend it is, and by talking about it we can all learn from it.

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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2016, 09:54:58 AM »
threesome.

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« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2016, 12:30:11 PM »
LennStar -- I meant to say that you can not change the rules [unilateraly].   Also, if you intend to try to discuss changing the contract, whether marriage or otherwise, you better be very prepared for it to result in the complete end of that contract. 

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That is not the same thing at all.    Rather the closest I can think of using your frame....  "Being binded to a commitment made X years ago is like saying you should not burn your grandfather's flag, because you promised him when he gave it to you that you would not burn it."
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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2016, 07:05:05 PM »
How do you handle it? You stop being a f'ing a$$hole and recognize that you committed your life to another person contractually (and for some of us in faith), and its built on mutual trust

Its marriage, not a pair of socks.
Marriage can mean a lot of different things for different people.
(For example there is a chinese minority who has wandering husbands - (simplified:) the man only go to their wives in the night and live in their own house for the day)

Please do not think your definition of marriage is universal and put the moral shackles on other people. If they think their marriage is a "build on faith" strict-monogamal one, then let them decide if what they are doing is right or not. Same for poly-marriages.

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Maybe I am old fashioned, but all of this sounds like insanity to me. 
Here too. This is a topic where its very hard to unnecessarily hurt people.

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without burdening their partner with needless worries of fidelity.
Here you predefine 3 things:
(in)fidelity
burdening
worries
every one of those 3 points may be valid but may very well be not. Which one is depends of the individual arrangement.


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I beg to differ... There is something wrong with not having the expectation of monogamy in committed partnership.   You can't change the rules just because you feel like it, and OP indicated that they were not in a polyamorous relationship from the start.
Goldilocks, you too make statements that are guesses without knowing the excact situation (I think you are right in the case of the OP, but you still do put your sights on their situation).
But the point I strongly oppose in your statement is the "you cant change the rules". Thats wrong. You can. You cant do this alone without breaking the contract of course, but liek in economics, if both parties agree to change the contract its valid.
People change over time. Several times, often quite profoundly. To state that you are binded eternally to a commitment made X years ago is like saying you should not take medicine because your grand-grand-grandfather didnt take a drop.

+1. Thank you Lenn.  People change. Talking about that change with a current partner can help in some cases. Being monogamous is not 'wrong'.  But not being monogamous is not wrong, either. Having attraction and relationships outside of a primary partnership is not wrong, and people who do this should not be made to felt that their partnership is wrong.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2016, 08:46:17 AM »
My wife and I have been together for ~10 years, married for 5+, and we discussed polyamory on the first date, having both been in poly relationships in the past. We ended up being monogamous for the first couple years, and looking back on it I sometimes miss the relative simplicity of it. We can both see other people now and do so, though I still have times where I'm attracted to someone on multiple levels but choose not to pursue it because I only have so much time/energy, and often much prefer having a good, low maintenance friendship with the person vs dealing with all the processing that may be needed if trying to take things to a different level. Instead I enjoy the energy I feel when I'm around the person but keep things on a friendly social level vs having drunken time alone together ;-)

Polyamory isn't something I'd advocate to anyone already deep in a relationship. Most married couples that I've seen try out poly have ended up separating soon after, often becoming monogamous with whoever they had recently started dating. As for the few happy couples that tried out poly and stayed together, virtually all of them quickly decided polyamory wasn't for them and went back to being monogamous.

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« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2016, 12:58:37 PM »
Most married couples that I've seen try out poly have ended up separating soon after, often becoming monogamous with whoever they had recently started dating.
You let it sound like Poly was the falt but I argue those pairs mostly tried poly because they already felt that their current mono does not work anymore.

btw I dont see a divorce as a sin, its in line with what I wrote above: Your feelings WILL change over the years, sometime to the good side, sometimes for the bad. I am not a fan of continuing an unhappy marriage just for marriage sake. Also you can be better off with not living together, even if you dont cancel the marriage and be together every second day anyway.

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virtually all of them quickly decided polyamory wasn't for them and went back to being monogamous.
This also saounds for me as you think it is a bad result, I think contrary its a good one. The involved people learned something.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2016, 01:20:48 PM »
I didn't read the thread so bare with me of this is just a rehash.

Understand that ultimately we are all fighting evolution. There is nothing inherently wrong at all with attraction to someone outside of your current spouse. Once you meet someone, fall in love, get married etc. it doesn't automatically turn off your biological desires. With that said we as humans have the wonderful developed ability of compassion and empathy.

My wife and I have two kids and a great marriage. We don't always get along, but we compliment each other well. That's why our marriage is great. She is a wonderful mother. And I know giving into any desires would ruin everything. It would ruin our marriage, ruin trust, ruin the family. It would ruin everything we have worked together to build for many years. Is it worth it? Hell no!!!

A broken family sucks. My parents split (due to infidelity on both sides) when I was about 12. My dad has been married about 4 times now (possibly 5). And it was absolutely horrible as a child. I can't fathom putting my kids through that.

Those are the things I think about when my mind starts to stray. Just my 2 cents. 

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« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2016, 02:00:31 PM »
: Your feelings WILL change over the years, sometime to the good side, sometimes for the bad. I am not a fan of continuing an unhappy marriage just for marriage sake.

You missed a big point -- people and feeling will change over the years.   No one should continue in an unhappy marriage, when, with a bit of work, they can turn it into a happy marriage, again.


I am not saying all marriages can be made to work, just that you seem to automatically dismiss marriage because "people change"... which is so illogical, but it is also the reason why marriages work in the long term.

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« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2016, 02:38:57 PM »
I’d like to chime in on GuitarStv and agree with my friendly reimagining of  2buttons.  None of my comments apply if you’re in a poly relationship. It didn’t seem to me that the OP was raising the question from a poly perspective.   Seems like the question about dealing with an extra-marital attraction loses its zing if you’re in an open marriage. 

I interpreted 2buttons to be saying this:  if you’re attracted to someone else, and you are considering telling your spouse about that attraction, think deeply and self-critically about your motives for that conversation, and what you’re hoping to achieve.  Make sure that you are wanting to speak with them because it will benefit them, not because it will make you feel better.    You have the power to snuff out (or try to snuff out) your extramarital attraction using the simple steps GuitarStv detailed.  Be careful about seriously damaging your spouse’s feelings for what in most (maybe not all) cases are selfish motives.  And also be sure you can answer the question: if your spouse had a crush and resolved it, would you rather they communicate with you through the entire process, or would you rather they had the fleeting feeling, let it pass, and keep treating you like the natural conclusion to all their happy thoughts?  If it’s have the conversation or divorce, well sure, chat.

I would also something to GuitarStv’s advice: imagine for every questionable social interaction you have that your spouse was observing you.  How would they feel?  And then flip it – how would you feel if you watched your spouse doing the same thing with a suitably attractive person?  If either thought experiment sets off any alarm bells for you, follow GuitarStv’s easy-to-read suggestions on social disengagement from your problem relationship.   

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« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2016, 02:40:49 PM »
I’d like to chime in on GuitarStv and agree with my friendly reimagining of  2buttons.  None of my comments apply if you’re in a poly relationship. It didn’t seem to me that the OP was raising the question from a poly perspective.   Seems like the question about dealing with an extra-marital attraction loses its zing if you’re in an open marriage. 

I interpreted 2buttons to be saying this:  if you’re attracted to someone else, and you are considering telling your spouse about that attraction, think deeply and self-critically about your motives for that conversation, and what you’re hoping to achieve.  Make sure that you are wanting to speak with them because it will benefit them, not because it will make you feel better.    You have the power to snuff out (or try to snuff out) your extramarital attraction using the simple steps GuitarStv detailed.  Be careful about seriously damaging your spouse’s feelings for what in most (maybe not all) cases are selfish motives.  And also be sure you can answer the question: if your spouse had a crush and resolved it, would you rather they communicate with you through the entire process, or would you rather they had the fleeting feeling, let it pass, and keep treating you like the natural conclusion to all their happy thoughts?  If it’s have the conversation or divorce, well sure, chat.

I would also something to GuitarStv’s advice: imagine for every questionable social interaction you have that your spouse was observing you.  How would they feel?  And then flip it – how would you feel if you watched your spouse doing the same thing with a suitably attractive person?  If either thought experiment sets off any alarm bells for you, follow GuitarStv’s easy-to-read suggestions on social disengagement from your problem relationship.

I thought this was a fantastic overview and integration of advice given on here. Thanks for that. Elevated the conversation further I feel like =)

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« Reply #75 on: October 10, 2016, 04:09:26 PM »
I’d like to chime in on GuitarStv and agree with my friendly reimagining of  2buttons.  None of my comments apply if you’re in a poly relationship. It didn’t seem to me that the OP was raising the question from a poly perspective.   Seems like the question about dealing with an extra-marital attraction loses its zing if you’re in an open marriage. 

I interpreted 2buttons to be saying this:  if you’re attracted to someone else, and you are considering telling your spouse about that attraction, think deeply and self-critically about your motives for that conversation, and what you’re hoping to achieve.  Make sure that you are wanting to speak with them because it will benefit them, not because it will make you feel better.    You have the power to snuff out (or try to snuff out) your extramarital attraction using the simple steps GuitarStv detailed.  Be careful about seriously damaging your spouse’s feelings for what in most (maybe not all) cases are selfish motives.  And also be sure you can answer the question: if your spouse had a crush and resolved it, would you rather they communicate with you through the entire process, or would you rather they had the fleeting feeling, let it pass, and keep treating you like the natural conclusion to all their happy thoughts?  If it’s have the conversation or divorce, well sure, chat.

I would also something to GuitarStv’s advice: imagine for every questionable social interaction you have that your spouse was observing you.  How would they feel?  And then flip it – how would you feel if you watched your spouse doing the same thing with a suitably attractive person?  If either thought experiment sets off any alarm bells for you, follow GuitarStv’s easy-to-read suggestions on social disengagement from your problem relationship.

I thought this was a fantastic overview and integration of advice given on here. Thanks for that. Elevated the conversation further I feel like =)

Strongly agree.

My personal feeling (full disclosure - unmarried, have been in relationships, one was open) - it is hard to recognize in advance how you will feel in the event of beginning an actual, not-fantasized real life fling/affair/romance/relationship with someone besides your current partner (spouse).  It is even harder to know how they will feel.  But there are many cases where the person will feel more hurt than you imagine, even by just the idea that you want someone other than them.  There are many potential benefits in bringing up the idea to them, but also many potential risks.  If your honest guess is that your partner will be hurt by the idea, then it could be selfish to bring it up.  Thanks to desertadapted for describing the resulting moral calculus so well.

Clearly there are many cases where communication is helpful.  But if the relationship has been explicitly monogamous to date, bringing up a change may be an existential threat to the relationship.  For selfish reasons as well as unselfish ones, tread carefully. 

+1 to the person who observed that many people who turned poly found that their initial relationship ended soon after.  I have seen this happen too.  Fwiw, I think that monogamy and polyamory are simply 2 solutions to the fact that attractions occur, but that many of monogamy's strengths are derived from the fact that both partners are willing to overcome those attractions. 

Once you tell Hubby you're so very attracted to someone else, you can't un-tell him.  Will it be a driver that pushes you to deeper communication?  Or something that causes decades of insecurity and doubt for the sake of relieving a a few months' stress from resisting a crush?  I truly do not know the best answer - communication is great and so is ignorant bliss!

Fwiw, here are a couple of thoughts from other sources:

1. When adding a third person to a relationship, it will only work if the person 2 (the person inviting a newbie) is willing and able to restrict the new relationship to whatever is comfortable for person 1.  In other words, it can only be done up to the point where person 1 is in favor of it.  This includes actual threesomes - they can only be done if person 1 likes it, as well as person 2 and 3.  If you are married, and you begin a romance with a third person or tell your spouse about a crush, you have emotionally added a third person to the relationship in both partners' minds.  How does the spouse feel? 

2. Re OP's question of how to handle the attraction, here is a paraphrase from a fictional character, but one that seemed appropriate because the lady is a 60something, happily married after 40 years with her husband. 

"Darling, I've been married 4 times - to the same man.  Every time, I've had to decide all over again whether I'm in love with him.  And he's had to do the same with me."  Clearly in the context of the book, she didn't mean 4 marriage ceremonies, but rather that as people and circumstances changed, her feelings did too, and she had to re-decide her commitment, just as he did.  It made me think that if the 7 year itch is a thing, then most long term marriages survived it.  Presumably crushes fade, just as honeymoon periods do.  More power to the OP on implementing her best decision, and living as her best self.
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« Reply #76 on: October 10, 2016, 05:08:11 PM »
I don't know exactly how it is for women, but men generally have attraction issues that are purely physical. These are relatively easy to move past. Men accept that you are still human and will still find attractive women attractive and you move on.

Beyond that if you are becoming attracted to new people you meet the attraction should remain fairly shallow unless you start to become close with that person. Maybe in some situations you are forced into this because you work with them. But in general you have to remember that there are many potentially good matches for everyone so if you find yourself building an emotional attachment to someone else you should take a step back before things get out of hand.

Sometimes you need to remember certain parts of your life should remain closed off to other people especially ones you think you could fall in love with.  As long as your needs are being meet by your current marriage this shouldn't be too stressful to do. If it happens in a close circle of friends this might be a lot harder and more awkward but if you make the effort up front to move past your initial feelings you should be able to move past the attraction even if it based on a lot more than physical attraction.

I have only been married to my wife for 2 years now so I probably don't have enough experience to offer the best advice, the above is just logically what I would do. While I have been attracted physically to other women, I haven't felt any attachment towards anyone but my wife and still in general carry the feeling that on a deeper level I could only hope to find someone as good as her but never better. There is always someone more physically attractive especially given men's tendency to seek variety physically, but I do truly believe that no person other than my wife could be more devoted to me and good for me on all levels. Having a child really reinforces that feeling as well.

I am certain with enough time I could find another person who I could have as great a relationship with. They would certainly have different flaws and strengths. But I also know that even if I meet that person figuring out that they had the potential to be as good for me as my wife would take a lot of time and effort that I would not want to give that person because my wife fills that role perfectly right now and life is too short risk losing that.

I suppose this may be harder for more social people that build attachments faster. Everyone is different. I am a pretty asocial person and keep my personal feelings pretty guarded around everyone but my wife. Others are a lot more open so this may be a big challenge for some. All I can see as it may take painful amounts of effort to cutoff forming new attachments to people that could lead to affairs. But personally I would make that evaluation and takes steps to cut it off without sharing it with my spouse. If that fails then its time to talk to your spouse because that means you are about to cheat on them so you are going to hurt them one way or the other. Better probably to do it before you do something you cant take back.

From a mans perspective, or at least how I would feel and how my friends have told me they would feel, having a spous become emotionally attached to another man or actively seeking comfort form another man would be far worse revelation or at least as bad as them sleeping with a stranger based off a physical attraction. Actively building on emotional attraction or not not doing your best to stop it is every bit as much a cheat as sleeping with someone.

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« Reply #77 on: October 10, 2016, 06:05:01 PM »
No. it's selfish bs. Pretend you are not selfish, but everyone clearly sees that basically what you are saying is if I tell my wife I want to commit adultry and we talk about it, I will feel better.

Selfish bs liberal crap. It's ruining America. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

JFK is rolling in his grave.

I found this post hilarious considering how often JFK fucked around on his very own wife.

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« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2016, 02:31:21 PM »
No. it's selfish bs. Pretend you are not selfish, but everyone clearly sees that basically what you are saying is if I tell my wife I want to commit adultry and we talk about it, I will feel better.

Selfish bs liberal crap. It's ruining America. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

JFK is rolling in his grave.

I found this post hilarious considering how often JFK fucked around on his very own wife.

Perhaps it's time for words of wisdom from one of the the leading experts in the field, Donald J. Trump:

"Grab them by the p---y, you can do anything."

Or maybe go "old school" and look to the Grand Master, William Jefferson Clinton for extramarital dating/rape advice? 

Anyone got an good cigar/semen stained blue dress stories you'd like to share about Bill?  At the very least, he took "sexual harassment" of employees to a new level.

Why do we keep voting for jerks like these (and those who enable them like Hillary)?


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« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2016, 02:37:01 PM »
Possibly of interest to this thread - attraction is much like a drug, gives the same highs and can be similarly addicting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-young-and-the-restless/201109/limerence-when-is-it-more-heartbreak

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« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2016, 05:55:08 PM »
Possibly of interest to this thread - attraction is much like a drug, gives the same highs and can be similarly addicting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-young-and-the-restless/201109/limerence-when-is-it-more-heartbreak

Yeah, I've also seen it described the early stages of romantic attraction/love as a form of mental illness. The thought patterns resemble both manic depression and OCD, at least that's what this article purports -- http://www.economist.com/node/2424049. One thing I thought was interesting was how they said that early on romantic love can more easily be stopped chemically than later on in the process. Once it takes hold, it is very hard to control chemically. This article went so far to argue that it  is "one of the strongest forces on Earth," even stronger than hunger. This supports the idea for those of us who want to avoid extramarital attraction that it should be nipped in the bud as early as possible.

Their research supports the idea that you can develop romantic love for a new person while experiencing long term attachment to another. One is not an indictment of the other.

Also, romantic love is different from lust, which is solely the urge to have sex.

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« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2016, 09:17:44 AM »
Perhaps a little off topic, but the idea of romantic love wasn't even invented until about 200 some years ago. Does it exist? Does it actually serve us or do us harm?

I like this talk on the idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltM5qYn25w


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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2016, 11:38:41 AM »
I used to have some troubles with it, but I remind myself how crappy was my romantic life before DH and how fantastic he is and how much he loves me, and I know nothing is worth losing him. Besides, our sex life is the best I ever head, so whatever sex I'd get from an affair would probably not be even satisfying.
I also noticed I get attracted to other men only when our marriage is in dire waters, so now when I start developing a crush I try and concentrate over our relationship, work out what I'm unhappy with and why, and what to do about it.
It helps that my husband is really devoted to me and would never tolerate infidelity - I know it would be a dealbreaker and I'd broke the golden heart of a man that cherish me as the best thing in his life, and losing that would be the worst self-sabotaging I could do. (Yes, I know how self-centered I sound, but it works well for me).

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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2016, 12:27:25 PM »
Yeah, so this happened. OP here.

Since I started this thread, I had a three-day flirt fest on an online platform that ended not with me coming to my senses but instead the guy basically saying, "I have deep feelings for you and can't write you anymore. You're married." While it never progressed beyond some PG-13, once some R-rated, flirting, it really scared the crap out of me. I think every person has their temptations, and clearly mine is online communication in which the layer of "respectability" or interpersonal awkwardness is stripped away and you just have words on the screen. Apparently that leads me to open up more than I should. We never engaged in any dirty talk and no Skyping or phone sex, but if I'd wanted to? Sure, he was game. But all that meant is that we talked about other emotional stuff and I came to find that he was a lovely person that I connected with, which in many respects was even worse. If this had continued any longer, it would have been an emotional affair.

So, clearly I'm just like the test case for all that we've been discussing. I opened up to two online female contacts about this. One was in an online chat in which I told her that I needed to talk about something difficult. Infidelity was briefly alluded to in the chat before we took our conversation to e-mail so that I could delete it. Because, you see, I wasn't going to tell my husband. The flirtation is over, and I just thought I should pick up the pieces all by my lonesome. Well, it turns out my husband was feeling insecure and snooped on my online chat. I'm truly not mad about it, though he feels terrible. So he saw the oblique reference to something and immediately thought it was full-on cheating. After a long day at work for him--all kinds of things running through his head--he waited until the kids were in bed to bring it up.

I confessed everything. He's also read this thread. It's a relief to have it all out there -- the fact that I'm struggling in this marriage and that there's something going on internally to me that makes me crave reinforcement from men other than my husband. Clearly in the internet flirt I was seeking some sort of "transference" (mentioned in the Wikipedia article Metric Mouse mentioned about Limerence) to take the pressure off my other intense feelings for a man. While it worked, it came with a whole host of other problems.

So, I'm seeking individual therapy to get to the root of all this, and I think we're going to come out stronger for this. He doesn't feel like I cheated. I displayed astonishingly bad judgement, but I do take some modicum of comfort in the fact that, even though I really really wanted to, I didn't let things get out of hand.

Phew, I'm exhausted.
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« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2016, 03:40:16 PM »
Yeah, so this happened. OP here.

Since I started this thread, I had a three-day flirt fest on an online platform that ended not with me coming to my senses but instead the guy basically saying, "I have deep feelings for you and can't write you anymore. You're married." While it never progressed beyond some PG-13, once some R-rated, flirting, it really scared the crap out of me. I think every person has their temptations, and clearly mine is online communication in which the layer of "respectability" or interpersonal awkwardness is stripped away and you just have words on the screen. Apparently that leads me to open up more than I should. We never engaged in any dirty talk and no Skyping or phone sex, but if I'd wanted to? Sure, he was game. But all that meant is that we talked about other emotional stuff and I came to find that he was a lovely person that I connected with, which in many respects was even worse. If this had continued any longer, it would have been an emotional affair.

So, clearly I'm just like the test case for all that we've been discussing. I opened up to two online female contacts about this. One was in an online chat in which I told her that I needed to talk about something difficult. Infidelity was briefly alluded to in the chat before we took our conversation to e-mail so that I could delete it. Because, you see, I wasn't going to tell my husband. The flirtation is over, and I just thought I should pick up the pieces all by my lonesome. Well, it turns out my husband was feeling insecure and snooped on my online chat. I'm truly not mad about it, though he feels terrible. So he saw the oblique reference to something and immediately thought it was full-on cheating. After a long day at work for him--all kinds of things running through his head--he waited until the kids were in bed to bring it up.

I confessed everything. He's also read this thread. It's a relief to have it all out there -- the fact that I'm struggling in this marriage and that there's something going on internally to me that makes me crave reinforcement from men other than my husband. Clearly in the internet flirt I was seeking some sort of "transference" (mentioned in the Wikipedia article Metric Mouse mentioned about Limerence) to take the pressure off my other intense feelings for a man. While it worked, it came with a whole host of other problems.

So, I'm seeking individual therapy to get to the root of all this, and I think we're going to come out stronger for this. He doesn't feel like I cheated. I displayed astonishingly bad judgement, but I do take some modicum of comfort in the fact that, even though I really really wanted to, I didn't let things get out of hand.

Phew, I'm exhausted.

Flirtation over - Excellent!
Confessed - Excellent!
Therapy - Excellent!
He doesn't feel you cheated - Excellent!

You could not have a better chance at a permanently good outcome.  I think you will achieve it.  Very happy for you.  Good luck.
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« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2016, 03:53:12 PM »
Hopefully this will only serve to bring you two closer together. Having open and honest communication is key, and if we are smart should be very attractive to us.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #86 on: October 13, 2016, 11:06:27 AM »
Yeah, so this happened. OP here.

Since I started this thread, I had a three-day flirt fest on an online platform that ended not with me coming to my senses but instead the guy basically saying, "I have deep feelings for you and can't write you anymore. You're married." While it never progressed beyond some PG-13, once some R-rated, flirting, it really scared the crap out of me. I think every person has their temptations, and clearly mine is online communication in which the layer of "respectability" or interpersonal awkwardness is stripped away and you just have words on the screen. Apparently that leads me to open up more than I should. We never engaged in any dirty talk and no Skyping or phone sex, but if I'd wanted to? Sure, he was game. But all that meant is that we talked about other emotional stuff and I came to find that he was a lovely person that I connected with, which in many respects was even worse. If this had continued any longer, it would have been an emotional affair.

So, clearly I'm just like the test case for all that we've been discussing. I opened up to two online female contacts about this. One was in an online chat in which I told her that I needed to talk about something difficult. Infidelity was briefly alluded to in the chat before we took our conversation to e-mail so that I could delete it. Because, you see, I wasn't going to tell my husband. The flirtation is over, and I just thought I should pick up the pieces all by my lonesome. Well, it turns out my husband was feeling insecure and snooped on my online chat. I'm truly not mad about it, though he feels terrible. So he saw the oblique reference to something and immediately thought it was full-on cheating. After a long day at work for him--all kinds of things running through his head--he waited until the kids were in bed to bring it up.

I confessed everything. He's also read this thread. It's a relief to have it all out there -- the fact that I'm struggling in this marriage and that there's something going on internally to me that makes me crave reinforcement from men other than my husband. Clearly in the internet flirt I was seeking some sort of "transference" (mentioned in the Wikipedia article Metric Mouse mentioned about Limerence) to take the pressure off my other intense feelings for a man. While it worked, it came with a whole host of other problems.

So, I'm seeking individual therapy to get to the root of all this, and I think we're going to come out stronger for this. He doesn't feel like I cheated. I displayed astonishingly bad judgement, but I do take some modicum of comfort in the fact that, even though I really really wanted to, I didn't let things get out of hand.

Phew, I'm exhausted.

Honestly I would paint this as a win.  Everybody gets tempted, but you didn't give in.  I could see how it would make your husband insecure, but the flip side is that you loved him enough to head it off.  And then it exposed the issues you have enough for you to get help with what's really going on.  Sounds good on all fronts to me. 

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« Reply #87 on: October 13, 2016, 01:51:32 PM »
Late to the party: Glad it worked out OP.

Me? Married less than a year, but been with her for many more years: I don't worry about extramarital attraction, from my end. I "notice" good looking women but I don't even consider it attraction. It's purely a "hey wouldja look at that...neat!" My wife is awesome on most fronts and I picked her because I do believe that we're meant to be together.

That being said, my wife is more emotional and I sometimes wonder if she would take additional steps like OP. All I can do is be supportive emotionally and keep myself in good physical shape. Beyond that...well let's just say hopefully neither of us find ourselves in a precarious position.

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« Reply #88 on: October 13, 2016, 03:26:36 PM »
Well, some of my husband's reactions are shifting but hopefully we can work through that as well. It's really hard too even when you are the party who did the wronging to not at some point think, "Geez, haven't I been flogged enough?" Now I haven't reached that point yet, but if it goes on indefinitely, I can certainly see how or if my emotions shift from shame or guilt to anger. It's also hard not to feel like I've cashed my one chip here (whatever that means) and that if I make another mistake, this marriage of over a decade and three children is over. I don't intend to flirt or stray again, but such thoughts and feelings on my part do wear on my psyche. I think I'm starting to realize that I did this in large part because I feel trapped by being a SAHM to three young children. I am mom. I am wife. I am daughter to my aging parents nearby. I am daughter-in-law to my MIL who lives across the street. I'm hemmed in. This idea that if I falter again, the marriage is over makes me feel even more hemmed in. Ah, human emotion. It sucks sometimes, I tell ya.

Anyway, these are all emotions I plan to explore with my therapist. I'm working with BetterHelp Online (https://www.betterhelp.com/) and it's really nice. It's not Mustachian at $65 a week, but this is a time when I need say fuck it and just pay.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #89 on: October 13, 2016, 04:24:03 PM »
Pay for the therapy. Money extremely well spent. Much cheaper than a divorce. So much cheaper.

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« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2016, 08:26:49 PM »
Not married so don't have a dog in this fight but.... will point out there are a surprisingly large number of forumites who identify as poly...

Would love for them to weigh in as well and the extent to which this precise issue factored into their decision.

FYI: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/personals/polyamorous-and-mustachian/

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« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2016, 09:47:15 AM »
My $.02, and somewhat already stated above: get it out there, ASAP. If that is a problem, it's only because of other problems in the relationship (which will also be laid bare).
My wife and I are both 100% opposed to either of us being intimate with anybody else, but we're also 100% open about attractions, because pretending it doesn't happen is stupid, and only increases the odds of someone acting on them.

Anyway, these are all emotions I plan to explore with my therapist. I'm working with BetterHelp Online (https://www.betterhelp.com/) and it's really nice. It's not Mustachian at $65 a week, but this is a time when I need say fuck it and just pay.
Price tag alone doesn't make that determination, and divorce costs way more. If it is in line with your values, and if you have the means to shell out that cash without straining your resources, it's entirely Mustachian.

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Re: Married or partnered folk: How do you deal with extramarital attraction?
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2016, 10:02:03 AM »
Well, some of my husband's reactions are shifting but hopefully we can work through that as well. It's really hard too even when you are the party who did the wronging to not at some point think, "Geez, haven't I been flogged enough?" Now I haven't reached that point yet, but if it goes on indefinitely, I can certainly see how or if my emotions shift from shame or guilt to anger. It's also hard not to feel like I've cashed my one chip here (whatever that means) and that if I make another mistake, this marriage of over a decade and three children is over. I don't intend to flirt or stray again, but such thoughts and feelings on my part do wear on my psyche. I think I'm starting to realize that I did this in large part because I feel trapped by being a SAHM to three young children. I am mom. I am wife. I am daughter to my aging parents nearby. I am daughter-in-law to my MIL who lives across the street. I'm hemmed in. This idea that if I falter again, the marriage is over makes me feel even more hemmed in. Ah, human emotion. It sucks sometimes, I tell ya.

Anyway, these are all emotions I plan to explore with my therapist. I'm working with BetterHelp Online (https://www.betterhelp.com/) and it's really nice. It's not Mustachian at $65 a week, but this is a time when I need say fuck it and just pay.

I get that it's really hard for you but imagine how it's really really hard for him?  He's the innocent one here as well as your kids.  You've shaken his trust and if you don't have that in a marriage,  what do you have?  Also it looks that the other guy 'broke up' rather than you so I see that there is still more work to do!