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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2017, 06:05:34 AM »
What demonstrably true things about Clinton make her obviously just as bad as Trump?

Attacked and tried to silence rape victims of her husband.

What information revealed by Russia/Wikileaks was false?
What wasn't?  You really think "lock her up" was based on truth?  No, I'm not going to link to their propaganda for you: look it up.  But if you haven't been consuming real news for the last couple of years I don't suppose you are going to start now.

So are you saying, at least some of, the leaked e-mails were fabricated? That is not something anyone (Clinton, Brazile, the DNC, Podesta, etc...) has claimed. Whom exactly are you that you could make that statement?
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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2017, 06:15:16 AM »
What demonstrably true things about Clinton make her obviously just as bad as Trump?

Attacked and tried to silence rape victims of her husband.

What information revealed by Russia/Wikileaks was false?
What wasn't?  You really think "lock her up" was based on truth?  No, I'm not going to link to their propaganda for you: look it up.  But if you haven't been consuming real news for the last couple of years I don't suppose you are going to start now.

So are you saying, at least some of, the leaked e-mails were fabricated? That is not something anyone (Clinton, Brazile, the DNC, Podesta, etc...) has claimed. Whom exactly are you that you could make that statement?
The leaked emails were not fabricated.  The fabrication was that they revealed criminal activity which should have resulted in a jail sentence for Clinton.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2017, 06:21:01 AM »
What demonstrably true things about Clinton make her obviously just as bad as Trump?

Attacked and tried to silence rape victims of her husband.

What information revealed by Russia/Wikileaks was false?
What wasn't?  You really think "lock her up" was based on truth?  No, I'm not going to link to their propaganda for you: look it up.  But if you haven't been consuming real news for the last couple of years I don't suppose you are going to start now.

So are you saying, at least some of, the leaked e-mails were fabricated? That is not something anyone (Clinton, Brazile, the DNC, Podesta, etc...) has claimed. Whom exactly are you that you could make that statement?
The leaked emails were not fabricated.  The fabrication was that they revealed criminal activity which should have resulted in a jail sentence for Clinton.

Wrt the 'lock her up', she was under investigation for a third issue. The commission investigating her were looking for e-mails around a certain date, realized that there won't any, discovered Clinton had a somewhat illegal off-site server, asked her to hand them over, then before turning the server over she deleted the e-mails (which, technically were the US government's). If it wasn't for the two-tier legal system, she'd be in jail for destroying evidence or a similar offence. The 'lock her up' phrase came from this series of dubious if not illegal activity.

Oh, and the e-mails did btw.
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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2017, 09:04:31 AM »
Two-tier legal system?  You mean, there haven't been enough people chanting "lock them up" to the people who illegally hacked Clinton's emails?  I'd agree with you there.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2017, 09:16:53 AM »
And yet again a thread about something terrible Trump did devolves into a discussion of Hillary's emails.

For an unbiased analysis of the email investigation:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-guide-to-clintons-emails/

Yes, she did something that was against the rules in her position. No, she should not be locked up. No one in her position would be locked up for what she did, she is not receiving special treatment. At worst she could have been subject to security sanctions. Anyone who claims to know otherwise is claiming to disagree with the FBI based on information provided to the public by the FBI.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2017, 07:37:37 AM »
So back to the question earlier, what part was propaganda/false that came from Wikileaks/Russia?

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Exactly, the misplaced outraged, barring something I am unaware of, appears to be bias.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2017, 07:23:33 AM »
This also go for the way we raised our girls.    We need to teach them to grow a pair of balls and speak the fuck up and throw a few punches.    Enough with the salad eatin girly attitudes

Ah, you went for the double whammy I see.

1) You make a sexist remark, actually two.  One is "grow a pair of balls" - wtf? I know it's not a literal "grow a pair of balls" advice, but what you're saying is here is that only men are tough and girls should be tough like men.  "Salad eatin girly attitudes" - wtf is that?  What? I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

2) You focus only on the girl's responses - throw a few punches (even if not literal) - how about, I don't know, WE GET BOYS TO STOP BEING ****ING ****S TO WOMEN?? This is so back-ass-wards.  I refuse to accept that women and girls need to learn to navigate a world  where they have to deal with men and boys objectifying them, assaulting them, making unwanted advances, etc. etc.  Girls and women are doing just fine.  How about we teach our boys to not be d*cks and treat women with respect?

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/john-conyers-out-retires/index.html

Conyers is stepping down.  More and more Democrats are calling on Franken to resign.

Although it was slower than other industries, it appears Democrat Congressmen will join others in losing their jobs when accused of sexual misconduct - journalists, tv/film directors, actors, etc.  In nearly all cases, the women (or men, in some instances) are believed and it appears *most* of the men are paying the price (aka losing their jobs).

There is one exception.

What do Donald Trump, Roy Moore, and Blake Farenthold all have in common?  Hmm.  What is the common threads that binds them?

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2017, 08:29:11 AM »
This also go for the way we raised our girls.    We need to teach them to grow a pair of balls and speak the fuck up and throw a few punches.    Enough with the salad eatin girly attitudes

Ah, you went for the double whammy I see.

1) You make a sexist remark, actually two.  One is "grow a pair of balls" - wtf?

I'm pretty sure sufhb was agreeing with you, and using those statements as examples of the kind of behaviors that unfairly (and usually unconsciously) support discriminatory behavior against women.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2017, 08:44:02 AM »
This also go for the way we raised our girls.    We need to teach them to grow a pair of balls and speak the fuck up and throw a few punches.    Enough with the salad eatin girly attitudes

Ah, you went for the double whammy I see.

1) You make a sexist remark, actually two.  One is "grow a pair of balls" - wtf?

I'm pretty sure sufhb was agreeing with you, and using those statements as examples of the kind of behaviors that unfairly (and usually unconsciously) support discriminatory behavior against women.

:insert missed point gif here:

My bad.

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Re: So will anything happen to this offender?
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2017, 12:31:22 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/john-conyers-out-retires/index.html

Conyers is stepping down.  More and more Democrats are calling on Franken to resign.

Although it was slower than other industries, it appears Democrat Congressmen will join others in losing their jobs when accused of sexual misconduct - journalists, tv/film directors, actors, etc.  In nearly all cases, the women (or men, in some instances) are believed and it appears *most* of the men are paying the price (aka losing their jobs).

There is one exception.

What do Donald Trump, Roy Moore, and Blake Farenthold all have in common?  Hmm.  What is the common threads that binds them?

I am impressed and happy that Democrats got Franken and Conyers to stand down.

As per what is the difference:
  • I have no idea why Trump is still standing. His VP is a Republican and would be the replacement.
  • Roy Moore is competing for a seat. Conyer's and Franken's seats belong to states with Democratic governors so them stepping down doesn't affect "the balance of power" in the senate. I think the mere fact that Rob Moore is running for a seat is what is contributing to a lot of the misplaced support.
  • I don't know who Blake Farenthhold is