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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2016, 11:41:49 PM »
Looks like it's resolving itself. I have to say though, who cares what he does? It wouldn't even be on my radar if my boss did that.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2016, 11:55:58 PM »
Looks like it's resolving itself. I have to say though, who cares what he does? It wouldn't even be on my radar if my boss did that.

Depends on if I had thought the intern and myself might be compatible. Then I could see being a bit resentful.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2016, 12:44:38 AM »
Looks like it's resolving itself. I have to say though, who cares what he does? It wouldn't even be on my radar if my boss did that.

Did you read the thread?  It was materially affecting the OP and coworkers.
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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2016, 12:47:56 AM »
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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2016, 03:24:00 PM »
Looks like it's resolving itself. I have to say though, who cares what he does? It wouldn't even be on my radar if my boss did that.

Did you read the thread?  It was materially affecting the OP and coworkers.

You are correct, I missed the line where she said it's affecting her in documented ways.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2016, 07:43:13 AM »
The issues we (coworker and I) have been having with this situation have not been addressed.  Everyone in the company seems to be playing a waiting game.  Most people have just been pretending it isn't happening, which is awkward.

We (the entire group/boss's boss) are trying to get a more rigid group organizational chart on record, and if that is done well it would alleviate some of the issues wrt responsibility and favoritism before a new boss is hired.  Unfortunately, the boss's boss is so far removed from what we do that he isn't very helpful.  The boss intentionally isolated the group from the rest of the company to maintain tight control over us; it's been a point of negative feedback on his reviews every year.  I think only once boss leaves will we be able to do more to shape the group / address systemic issues.

Wife-tern no longer seems to be contributing to the group, which is a shame as we are very busy.  Boss is making large efforts to contribute and likely will until his last day, which I appreciate.  This is also a function of his omnipotent control, which I don't.

Overall, work life is the same/slightly less busy than before my boss announced he was quitting because most of my project got cancelled.  What convenient timing for my boss...

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2016, 09:37:17 AM »
I'm going to offer up this observation, from an outside third party who doesn't know you or yours.  Reading through the OP's posts:

Claim the first:  There are issues at my job because my boss is playing favorites with respect to responsibilities, we were suspicious this was the case but then he married the "favorited" individual proving there were shenanigans.

Claim the second:  As this will be an ongoing issue, sorting it out through HR was pursued.  HR seemed to indicate this was the new status quo.  Leaving the job is now the only option.

Claim the third:  Offending boss is leaving, taking the "favorited" individual with him.  Nothing has improved.

A reasonable theory would be to suggest that you were already unhappy with the status quo before this whole relationship was even a thing.

You don't like that job.

I'd put out a corollary to that theory, that your issue with two other people finding happiness in a situation in which you were not happy caused you to lash out and seek to make miserable those people.  Maybe that isn't what is going on, but you should really look inside yourself and determine if anything having to do with their relationship materially affected you.  At this point, you sound like all of the whining busybodies at every workplace who spend so much time making sure they're being treated fairly they forget to be awesome, easy, employees.

Being a pain in the ass, and being treated like a pain in the ass, is entirely your fault.

But maybe that isn't what is going on.  Maybe this is a lecherous old man preying on a young impressionable woman, as many people reading have assumed and I would surmise your lack of detail intended to create that impression.  It might not be a mid 30's boss meeting a mid 20's young professional and developing a relationship.  Or a mid 40's with a mid 30's.  Maybe this relationship violates the "creepy" rule (half your age plus seven; over 60 anything you can get).

From reading what you wrote, and from my perspective of always wanting to see the other side of the story, I'm betting the boss is rolling his eyes.  In truth, no part of his decisions regarding this person considered you.  None.  And while you might think that's a problem, he was under absolutely no obligation to consider you.

You probably think that all good assignment should go to the best person for the job.  You've probably never been a boss and realized that when you give new people only shit, you lose lots of new people.  You probably think that seniority and superior skills should dominate every decision.  You've probably never been a boss who had a senior person with superior skills up and quit (like you were planning to do) over some perceived office drama.

You were probably going to leave anyway, your boss left before you could ragequit over the drama. Don't change your plans, but look inside yourself and really make peace that other people's business is none of yours.  You being miserable does not make the happiness of others wrong.  You being happy does not make the misery of others wrong.  You are objectively living your own life, and nobody but you is responsible for your happiness.  Other people arranging their life in awesome ways does not materially affect you.  Working with a girlfriend/spouse sounds like hell to me.  I'd be concerned about the well being of my boss, not worried he'd treat me like crap.  I can always find another job.

You can communicate the effect others' decisions have on you, and hope they make different decisions.  But you shouldn't have the feeling of entitlement that the world will adjust to what would be best for you.

I'm happy for your boss and the intern.  I hope they have lots of sex and babies.

I hope you find it in yourself to forgive them and forgive yourself.

If two people are attracted to each other and pursue those feelings, nobody they work with is entitled to anything.  Workplace policies exist not to stop the relationships from happening, but to give companies the legal cover they need to fire employees if it causes an actual problem.

So for that to be the case here, there needed to be actual qualified candidates who applied for the open position and then were not hired.
There needed to be an actual deficiency in the ability of the intern to perform the actual job tasks assigned.
There needed to be an actual change in the existing distribution of work to favor the intern.  I.E., if you were overworked before and are still overworked, you are placing blame in the wrong spot.  It turns out your expectation that a new hire would reduce your workload was the problem, not your boss' peni.
The fact that your boss is leaving is proof that the relationship was not just about power, about him taking advantage.  The "wife-tern" going with him is proof that she wasn't just climbing the cylindrical corporate ladder.  To me, your boss leaving tears the veil off your presentation of yourself as the victim, revealing you to be a small, insecure individual.  Only you can fix that.

What I don't see is that you and your coworkers embraced the new hire, gave appropriate tasks and helped them complete, trained them to do the work you needed done, and promptly brought to the attention of superiors when things weren't working exactly right.

What I do see is a lot of bullshit and innuendo.  Entitlement, selfishness, and ego.

But again, I don't know you and yours.  This might be a case of you work for a scumbag.  It is possible.  I've just met hundreds of people with the story as put forth by the OP, but it's never been what was actually going on.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2016, 09:54:01 AM »
Looking at the situation from another point of view

I hope OP comes back to discuss some of the points you've made, TheOldestYoungMan. Not because I care about the situation, but because, like you said, we're only seeing one side of the story. And no offense to OP... but the way internet forum threads seem to work...I doubt OP will have a moment of self-realization and change their tune once they read your long post (assuming you're correct about it all).

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2016, 12:20:21 PM »
Ahh, I didn't realize OP was a woman.

Doesn't change my central point.

The relationships between coworkers do not turn a great job into a shitty job or vice versa.  OP already didn't like the job/coworkers?  What does the "wife-tern" have to do with it?  OP is the one involving the relationship, using that relationship as defacto evidence of wrongdoing.  And it isn't.

Put it another way.  If how a man "feels" about working with women shouldn't factor into his decision to hire/promote women, then how women "feel" about his relationship with a coworker shouldn't factor into their evaluation of his job performance.  Now actual demonstrable problems are another matter.  But "documenting" your concern with HR doesn't mean there was a problem.  It just means someone at HR wrote down your whinging.

I didn't make the rules.

Again, I only bring it up because the title/origin of the post was about a relationship between a boss and subordinate that have now left and yet the OP still thinks he/she/it has a problem.  Ergo it seems the problem might have had nothing to do with the relationship between boss and subordinate.  And so it is worth looking at why the OP presented it that way.

Not to us, I don't actually care.  I'm sure the OP has lots of actual information hidden behind each of those "not going to be specific" "can't give details" etc. statements, but there comes a point where you've been awfully specific about certain things (although we do need to know what type of cake!) and so lack of details about the favoritism might actually be "there just was! OK!"

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2016, 11:03:10 AM »
To close out the thread, in case anyone is wondering how this has all turned out:

Since they got married, everyone had been ignoring the relationship and not talking about it.  Other than leaving together at the end of the day, the boss and wife-tern barely interacted with each other or the rest of us in the office.  It was very awkward, but easily managed compared to the stressful group dynamic before they revealed their relationship.

A couple weeks ago, the wife-tern stopped showing up to work.  No email or announcement, she just suddenly wasn't here one morning.  Most people pretended like she never worked here, including her husband.  Most people followed his lead to not mention it.

We had a going away dinner for the boss the night before his last day.  She wasn't in attendance, but we got them a card and and went in together for a nice wedding present in their new country.  On his last day of work, the boss worked hard sending out last minute emails, but didn't come by our office.  He said goodbye to middle manager in the afternoon (the rest of us plebeians are directly across the hall in another office and can see/hear), and then left without speaking to anyone else.  We watched him drive away because his parking space is right outside our office window.  I went down to see the man he's shared an office with the last 4 years, and he asked me, "Oh is Boss gone already?  I didn't even get a chance to shake his hand."

An apt ending for a strange era.

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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2016, 01:34:40 PM »
To close out the thread, in case anyone is wondering how this has all turned out:

Since they got married, everyone had been ignoring the relationship and not talking about it.  Other than leaving together at the end of the day, the boss and wife-tern barely interacted with each other or the rest of us in the office.  It was very awkward, but easily managed compared to the stressful group dynamic before they revealed their relationship.

A couple weeks ago, the wife-tern stopped showing up to work.  No email or announcement, she just suddenly wasn't here one morning.  Most people pretended like she never worked here, including her husband.  Most people followed his lead to not mention it.

We had a going away dinner for the boss the night before his last day.  She wasn't in attendance, but we got them a card and and went in together for a nice wedding present in their new country.  On his last day of work, the boss worked hard sending out last minute emails, but didn't come by our office.  He said goodbye to middle manager in the afternoon (the rest of us plebeians are directly across the hall in another office and can see/hear), and then left without speaking to anyone else.  We watched him drive away because his parking space is right outside our office window.  I went down to see the man he's shared an office with the last 4 years, and he asked me, "Oh is Boss gone already?  I didn't even get a chance to shake his hand."

An apt ending for a strange era.
Well, you guys "won".  And now he's happily married and has a better job in a different country.  I hope that's punishment enough.  ;-P

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2016, 02:00:23 PM »
Thank you for providing the conclusion to this bizarre saga!

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2016, 02:27:29 PM »
Well, you guys "won".  And now he's happily married and has a better job in a different country.  I hope that's punishment enough.  ;-P

I giggle far too hard at this. :D

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2016, 05:48:35 PM »
Thanks for the update!

Here's hoping the new boss isn't the same as the old boss.  ;)
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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2016, 08:16:09 PM »
I had a psychopath boss once. Nearly destroyed myself jumping through all that bozo's bullshit and at the end of the day he would steal my results and claim them as his own.  In the psychopath's mind you are pawn or patron.  Some pawns work the situation to their own advantage by supporting he psychopath. Others fight back and usually pay in some way.  I went 5 years with the lowest possible raises my psychopath boss could give me without alerting his patrons that he was manipulating the narrative of my performance.  My direct reports were the top performers in my department and I worked to assure that they got decent annual raises.  In the last year under my psychopath boss, I was making marginally less than some of my direct reports. Finally the psychopath got foisted off on another department and out of the State. 

I told my wife that if the old psychopath ever dies before me, I will travel to his grave and dance on it.  She was of course horrified, but that is how it feels to work for such a being.  Anyway, best wishes Chranstronaut in dealing with your next Boss. -Ap

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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2016, 08:47:11 PM »
I had a psychopath boss once. . . . I told my wife that if the old psychopath ever dies before me, I will travel to his grave and dance on it.  She was of course horrified, but that is how it feels to work for such a being.

One of the partners in my group was a total bully, manipulative mean-girl who made me (and many others) miserable, as I continued to try to please her over the approximate 2-year period (and she tried to get many fired).  But she was the golden child of the group's chair and thus was protected when many employees sounded the horn on her, until it sounded loud and long enough that the firm had to cut her loose.  It was too bad the chair had such loyalty to the bully because we all liked him but for that one major blindness of his.  Anyhow, during this period, the chair was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and he passed away last month.  We all had to see the bully lady crying up a storm at the memorial service as if she were the center of the universe.

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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2016, 11:00:15 AM »
Just figured out that our coworker that bad mouths one of the bosses behind his back is actually good friends with him outside of work. They might actually be at an early stage of romance. Careful what you say to your coworkers. They might be a double-agent.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2016, 09:53:12 AM »
Just figured out that our coworker that bad mouths one of the bosses behind his back is actually good friends with him outside of work. They might actually be at an early stage of romance. Careful what you say to your coworkers. They might be a double-agent.

This goes on all the time where I work. One of your coworkers will bait you into talking about someone, by bashing that person themselves, getting you to feel comfortable about joining in. Then they go run tell the person what all you said.

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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2016, 11:59:19 AM »
Just figured out that our coworker that bad mouths one of the bosses behind his back is actually good friends with him outside of work. They might actually be at an early stage of romance. Careful what you say to your coworkers. They might be a double-agent.

This goes on all the time where I work. One of your coworkers will bait you into talking about someone, by bashing that person themselves, getting you to feel comfortable about joining in. Then they go run tell the person what all you said.

Good Allah work must suck with people like this.  I guess I've never felt comfortable bashing people behind their back, but still....

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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2016, 12:23:24 PM »
Its okay, I've been inoculated against these types of people and their strategies. Years ago when I was in the military I had a particular duty station where this was RAMPANT.

My solution was to mind my own business and spend my free time with the locals (overseas). My supervisor who was in many ways at the center of this kind of behavior (encouraged it IMHO) then noted that I was "not a team player"...

Its okay. Karma eventually took care of the appropriate people. Careers were wrecked.

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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2016, 09:08:35 PM »
As Mel Brooks would say, "it's good to be the king."

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2016, 07:08:15 AM »
She is not a citizen of our country, which keeps things interesting.

Wouldn't marriage altar that potentially?

I don't know if it's relevant, but I find it interesting.  Their marriage would allow her to apply for a green card.  She has a work visa through our company currently.  We have many foreign nationals at the company, so that's not actually all that unusual.

He is being used too.
This might resolve itself, as you will go to bigger fish, once the green card is secure.
So sorry for all this.

Keep all happy (be duplicitous) and still do your job.
Feel sorry for them, and make it work to your advantage.

I know the above is hard to do, but since she is not doing her "work" job, she will mutilate anyone that stands in her way.

Good luck and hope this resolves soon for you.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2016, 09:10:10 AM »
*snip*
Good luck and hope this resolves soon for you.

I think you missed some posts:

Boss quit!  Boss quit!  Moving to another country!

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2016, 07:30:06 PM »
Are we sure this isn't the plot of a 90s romantic comedy? Is the intern clumsy and fall down a lot so she doesn't seem too perfect to be relatable to a modern female audience?

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« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2016, 06:03:06 PM »
It sounds to me like she had all the right skills to move up the corporate ladder, lol.

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Re: Help! My boss just married our intern
« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2016, 09:51:53 AM »
*SNIP
Keep all happy (be duplicitous) and still do your job.
Feel sorry for them, and make it work to your advantage.

THis is my favorite advice in this thread.  Machiavelli would be proud.  -Aperture