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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #600 on: March 21, 2017, 08:56:36 PM »
Don't forget the Grammar Nazis' henchmen, the Punctuation Police.  ;)

Somewhere on the Forums is a story about a union grievance that started because of the confusion caused by a missing comma (the Oxford comma).  Punctuation matters, as the victim of the homicidal panda can testify.  I loves me my commas.*

*Yes I know that is a grammatically incorrect sentence, it is vernacular.  It is hard to hug a comma, but I will try, here goes:

{{{{{,}}}}}

Is this the story?  DH passed the link on to me.

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« Reply #601 on: March 22, 2017, 08:25:07 AM »
Don't forget the Grammar Nazis' henchmen, the Punctuation Police.  ;)

Somewhere on the Forums is a story about a union grievance that started because of the confusion caused by a missing comma (the Oxford comma).  Punctuation matters, as the victim of the homicidal panda can testify.  I loves me my commas.*

*Yes I know that is a grammatically incorrect sentence, it is vernacular.  It is hard to hug a comma, but I will try, here goes:

{{{{{,}}}}}

Is this the story?  DH passed the link on to me.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/03/16/lack-oxford-comma-costs-maine-company-millions-overtime-dispute/BIxK837fA2C06qavQMDs5J/story.html

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #602 on: March 22, 2017, 11:13:55 PM »
Not enough Grammar Nazi's Nazis.

Don't forget the Grammar Nazis' henchmen, the Punctuation Police.  ;)

GuessTypo?

Or just the local branch of the 'Postrophe Patrol?

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #603 on: March 24, 2017, 09:02:15 PM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #604 on: March 25, 2017, 02:39:38 AM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.


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« Reply #605 on: March 25, 2017, 10:13:01 AM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.



And yet, http://wikidiff.com/inoperable/inoperative

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #606 on: March 25, 2017, 10:20:40 AM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.



And yet, http://wikidiff.com/inoperable/inoperative

Is there some group dedicated to bringing the correct meanings of words back?  Internet dictionaries are responsible for the degradation of the English language and some of the differences in words bring such a subtlety that their use can make reading literature or poetry or music so much more enjoyable. 

I really want to make the meaning of "literal" mean "literal" and not the literal opposite of literal! 
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #607 on: March 26, 2017, 03:28:33 AM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.



And yet, http://wikidiff.com/inoperable/inoperative
Did you not read your own link? It provides the same two definitions to inoperable that google does.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #608 on: March 27, 2017, 03:39:18 PM »
Might've been mentioned before, but: inoperative vs inoperable.

Inoperative means not working. Inoperable means can't be successfully surgically operated on.



And yet, http://wikidiff.com/inoperable/inoperative
Did you not read your own link? It provides the same two definitions to inoperable that google does.

Hell, the picture even says "not able to be used" and "not working" under definition 2 of inoperable.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #609 on: March 28, 2017, 12:32:43 AM »
never understand this kind of people...

there are more important things in life than "grammatical errors"

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« Reply #610 on: March 28, 2017, 05:50:23 AM »
never understand this kind of people...

there are more important things in life than "grammatical errors"

I see. And you are, at all times, focused on the most important thing in life?

I never understand this kind of people. Taking the time to hit reply on a forum, only to leave a dismissive comment insulting all prior posters of the thread.

There are more important things in life than needing to assert one's superiority over complete strangers on the internet.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #611 on: March 28, 2017, 09:20:03 AM »
never understand this kind of people...

there are more important things in life than "grammatical errors"

Begging your pardon, there is very little more important than proper grammar.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #612 on: March 28, 2017, 09:53:03 AM »
never understand this kind of people...

there are more important things in life than "grammatical errors"

Like capitalization of the first word in a sentence?

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #613 on: March 28, 2017, 02:36:54 PM »
I learn I've become less of a grammar Nazi with may language learning. There are certain mistakes I don't think native speakers should be making, but I also realize as a Swahili speaker that my grammar in literary form is horrendous simply because I rarely write or read in it and mainly speak it.

I don't pause to think of grammar rules yet when I write, I have to sit there and stew about very simple things.

On that note, find myself "learning" Swahili all over again because I've never stopped to think why I use cha, la or ya. It just comes to me naturally.

I attend a French meet up monthly and there's a lady who's a native Spanish speaker and since I'm learning Spanish from the bottom, we were discussing the Spanish alphabet and she could barely recite it.

My English simply happens to overpower every language because it is not only one of the official languages of Kenya but it's been beaten into me through my love for reading.


On this topic though, it does annoy me when I see people not capitalize I.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #614 on: March 28, 2017, 02:45:41 PM »
"Sneak peak" drives me crazy!

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #615 on: March 28, 2017, 02:52:08 PM »
"Sneak peak" drives me crazy!

You don't like those seamounts that suddenly break the surface?

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« Reply #616 on: March 28, 2017, 04:43:57 PM »
"Sneak peak" drives me crazy!

You don't like those seamounts that suddenly break the surface?

Tectonically speaking, those types of sneaky peaks are actually quite interesting!

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #617 on: March 28, 2017, 04:53:06 PM »
"Sneak peak" drives me crazy!

You don't like those seamounts that suddenly break the surface?

Tectonically speaking, those types of sneaky peaks are actually quite interesting!

You've peaked my interest!
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #618 on: April 04, 2017, 02:56:07 PM »
Is this someone from this thread?! He is a self-styled grammar vigilante...

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #619 on: April 07, 2017, 07:52:08 AM »
Peek.
Peak.
Pique.

Language is both a virus and a weapon. Please use it responsibly.



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« Reply #620 on: April 07, 2017, 08:45:42 AM »
Peek.
Peak.
Pique.

Language is both a virus and a weapon. Please use it responsibly.

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(although, when typing, I often make errors that I never used to make when writing these)

I also have found myself substituting won for one.  Is this a typing-brain thing?  or an Alzheimer's thing?  Should I be concerned about won/one? 
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« Reply #621 on: April 07, 2017, 09:13:38 AM »

I also have found myself substituting won for one.  Is this a typing-brain thing?  or an Alzheimer's thing?  Should I be concerned about won/one?

One ton = unit of weight

Won ton = tasty snack

Maybe you're hungry.  :D
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« Reply #622 on: April 07, 2017, 10:14:41 AM »
Funny, BlueHouse. I struggle with "grateful". I always want to spell it "greatful" because being grateful does not "grate", it is "great". I know how to spell it, but my brain wants to do it differently, every time.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #623 on: April 07, 2017, 11:06:31 AM »
I also have found myself substituting won for one.  Is this a typing-brain thing?  or an Alzheimer's thing?  Should I be concerned about won/one?

Our daughter used to call wonton soup "one time soup" when she was little. I thought, yeah, that works :)

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #624 on: April 15, 2017, 08:34:52 AM »
We have too many people complaining about "word usage" in this thread. Let's get back to complaining about grammar.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #626 on: April 15, 2017, 08:42:38 PM »
This is the worse thread ever!

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #627 on: April 16, 2017, 01:58:37 AM »
This is the worse thread ever!

This reminded me of how often I hear people say "If worse comes to worse".
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #628 on: April 17, 2017, 10:51:02 AM »
This is the worse thread ever!

This reminded me of how often I hear people say "If worse comes to worse".

So common now.  I think someone stopped teaching bad, worse, worst in school!  kids today don't seem to know .
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #629 on: April 17, 2017, 07:42:17 PM »
This is the worse thread ever!

This reminded me of how often I hear people say "If worse comes to worse".

So common now.  I think someone stopped teaching bad, worse, worst in school!  kids today don't seem to know .
I think this happened around the time they stopped reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and teaching cursive writing. Hell in a handbags kettle, I tell you!

That was supposed to be "handbasket", but that autofill is too funny, so stet.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #630 on: April 17, 2017, 08:44:44 PM »
I like "tough road to hoe". Yes, a road would be very hard to hoe. And why would you want to?

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« Reply #631 on: April 17, 2017, 09:16:33 PM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.



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« Reply #632 on: April 18, 2017, 04:28:18 AM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?

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« Reply #633 on: April 18, 2017, 05:34:26 AM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?

I think it's more to do with people repeating what they think they're hearing. I just read posts on both the Lexus and Cadillac forums where people complained about their car having a "shutter" at certain speeds. I haven't seen a car with shutters outside of Mad Max movies.

We also have a neighbor who keeps posting about events in Hunt Track. She lives in Hunt Tract.

Maybe it's because most people don't read much, so they never see the words as they're written.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #634 on: April 18, 2017, 09:09:38 AM »
Maybe it's because most people don't read much, so they never see the words as they're written.

I have the opposite problem. I see words, but never hear them pronounced. When I finally hear the word, it's not how I imagined it.

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« Reply #635 on: April 18, 2017, 09:18:07 AM »
Maybe it's because most people don't read much, so they never see the words as they're written.

I have the opposite problem. I see words, but never hear them pronounced. When I finally hear the word, it's not how I imagined it.

This is true of my husband, as well. He has quite an extensive vocabulary -- probably bigger than mine is. But over the years, we have discovered a number of words he has only read and never heard, so has stumbled over pronunciations in conversations with me.
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« Reply #636 on: April 19, 2017, 09:10:07 AM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?

I think it's more to do with people repeating what they think they're hearing. I just read posts on both the Lexus and Cadillac forums where people complained about their car having a "shutter" at certain speeds. I haven't seen a car with shutters outside of Mad Max movies.

We also have a neighbor who keeps posting about events in Hunt Track. She lives in Hunt Tract.

Maybe it's because most people don't read much, so they never see the words as they're written.
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« Reply #637 on: April 19, 2017, 11:42:36 AM »
Maybe it's because most people don't read much, so they never see the words as they're written.

I have the opposite problem. I see words, but never hear them pronounced. When I finally hear the word, it's not how I imagined it.

This is true of my husband, as well. He has quite an extensive vocabulary -- probably bigger than mine is. But over the years, we have discovered a number of words he has only read and never heard, so has stumbled over pronunciations in conversations with me.

That's a different issue, though. I'm talking about people who just the wrong word, not those who mispronounce the correct word.

The funniest one I remember was reading Rendezvous with Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke. I was maybe eleven, and pronounced rendezvous just the way it was spelled.

I also remember Harlan Ellison talking about mispronouncing a word on a TV interview. He knew how to spell it, knew what it meant, but had never heard it used in conversation.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #638 on: April 19, 2017, 11:45:09 AM »

Howdy Neighbor,  I used to live on Bentwood Drive.  (A few blocks away from Hunt Tract). 


Hi, that's close to me :) I cycle up and down Covered Bridge Road all the time.

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« Reply #639 on: April 19, 2017, 02:14:43 PM »
The funniest one I remember was reading Rendezvous with Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke. I was maybe eleven, and pronounced rendezvous just the way it was spelled.

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I did the same thing, with the same book, at about the same age.
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« Reply #640 on: April 19, 2017, 02:20:01 PM »
The funniest one I remember was reading Rendezvous with Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke. I was maybe eleven, and pronounced rendezvous just the way it was spelled.

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I did the same thing, with the same book, at about the same age.

When I was a very small child -- probably like six or seven -- I had a picture book that had the word Chicago in it. I knew from context that it was a town, but I had never heard of a place called CHICK-a-go.

Because of this book and reading it silently to myself only, it took me a ridiculously long time to associate the town whose name was written CHICK-a-go with the city pronounced shi-KAH-go.
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« Reply #641 on: April 19, 2017, 05:24:43 PM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?
Or hoeing has a new meaning? I can't tell if you're being witty or don't know the other meaning, either way your post deserves a response.

"A tough road to hoe" is correct in urban centers. The old saying evolved; strangely it conveys the same meaning.

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« Reply #642 on: April 20, 2017, 12:22:34 AM »

When I was a very small child -- probably like six or seven -- I had a picture book that had the word Chicago in it. I knew from context that it was a town, but I had never heard of a place called CHICK-a-go.

Because of this book and reading it silently to myself only, it took me a ridiculously long time to associate the town whose name was written CHICK-a-go with the city pronounced shi-KAH-go.

Ha - I've done it too, been so used to my imagined pronunciation that the correct one sounds weird.
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« Reply #643 on: April 20, 2017, 02:32:55 AM »
When my brother was young, he was going to join the For-ee-jin Lee-jin.

I was planning a trip to Yo-sem-ite.
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« Reply #644 on: April 20, 2017, 05:40:19 AM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?
Or hoeing has a new meaning? I can't tell if you're being witty or don't know the other meaning, either way your post deserves a response.

"A tough road to hoe" is correct in urban centers. The old saying evolved; strangely it conveys the same meaning.
Is it correct because it has been used incorrectly so often that it is just accepted now?  and what is the other meaning of "hoeing".  Do you mean "ho" as in a slang form of whore?  I'm so lost.
Anyway, when does a misuse of a word or phrase become so common that it changes the meaning or adds an alternate meaning to the word or phrase? 
I hear literally is an example, but I don't accept it. What's next?  Irregardless because so many people make the error?  How are we going to continue to judge others if language is no longer a differentiator?  (Just kidding.  Sorta)
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #645 on: April 20, 2017, 06:05:31 AM »
It depends on whether you are a prescriptive linguist or a descriptive linguist. Language is constantly evolving. Take the use of the subjunctive. Is it "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"? I learned to say it the first way, but when I ask people which one is correct, most tell me that both sound right.

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« Reply #646 on: April 20, 2017, 06:10:17 AM »
I just learned what an Oxford comma is thanks to this thread.  After struggling so often with the thing myself, I find it hilarious how this little comma ended up being the subject of million dollar lawsuits.

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« Reply #647 on: April 20, 2017, 07:09:35 AM »
It depends on whether you are a prescriptive linguist or a descriptive linguist. Language is constantly evolving. Take the use of the subjunctive. Is it "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"? I learned to say it the first way, but when I ask people which one is correct, most tell me that both sound right.
The first musical I ever saw was "Fiddler On the Roof", so I know which version sounds right to me and who's singing it, lol.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #648 on: April 20, 2017, 07:21:39 AM »
It depends on whether you are a prescriptive linguist or a descriptive linguist. Language is constantly evolving. Take the use of the subjunctive. Is it "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"? I learned to say it the first way, but when I ask people which one is correct, most tell me that both sound right.
I saw something about forensic speech analysis for crime analysis and I think it was 12 or 13% of English speakers use the subjunctive tense and those are usually considered upper income and from highly educated backgrounds.  That's why I love those things -- because experts (and I'm not one) can tell so much about people just from how they speak.   But I don't know if the same will be possible after people who are born texting start to rule the world. 
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #649 on: April 20, 2017, 08:02:26 AM »
But it's ROW not ROAD! And you hoe a row, then another... until finally the whole field is weed-free. A tough row has too many deep rooted weeds, and probably stones.

Exactly. A linguistics professor of mine wondered if the shift from the original "row" to "road" was because of our increasingly urban society. Perhaps most people have forgotten hoeing?
Or hoeing has a new meaning? I can't tell if you're being witty or don't know the other meaning, either way your post deserves a response.

"A tough road to hoe" is correct in urban centers. The old saying evolved; strangely it conveys the same meaning.
Is it correct because it has been used incorrectly so often that it is just accepted now?  and what is the other meaning of "hoeing".  Do you mean "ho" as in a slang form of whore?  I'm so lost.
Anyway, when does a misuse of a word or phrase become so common that it changes the meaning or adds an alternate meaning to the word or phrase? 
I hear literally is an example, but I don't accept it. What's next?  Irregardless because so many people make the error?  How are we going to continue to judge others if language is no longer a differentiator?  (Just kidding.  Sorta)
A hoe (or ho) is the slang form of whore. A tough road to hoe means the ho is having a tough time doing business, just like the original meant the field was tough to cultivate.

A phrase is acceptable when the person hearing it understands its meaning. When I talk to you I should use tough row to hoe, to an urbanite I could use tough road to hoe. In your example you used words that were used with incorrect meanings (literally), in my example there are two correct meanings; I judge when people just use the word incorrectly. Eventually though, literally will have a new meaning in the dictionary.  As the usage grows the new meaning will become the standard; that's the way English works or we would all still understand Shakespeare.
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