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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #400 on: July 07, 2015, 09:22:54 AM »
Arggh!

It's not "would of".  What the hell does that mean?
It's "would have"; as in, "I would have been"
I'm sorry, I have seen this in three separate threads today.  Thanks for letting me vent.  I feel much better now.
Confession time: I often doublespace.  It is an old habit left from manual typewriters.

I unapologetically double space after periods.  I get that it has become "wrong," but I am a very fast typist, and I only learned in the past couple of years that the standard had changed.  I'm too old and too lazy to retrain myself.

And here's a new one, which I read on FB yesterday: "escape goat," instead of "scapegoat."

Your Facebook friend better run after that goat.

Friend of a friend got an email saying he was busy because it was the end of their physical year.

So....they're done with all physical activity for the year? They plan on vegetating for the rest of the year?

I propose that "physical year" become an official term.  Definition: The period of time between the beginning of one's New Year's Resolution to exercise more, and the moment when one officially abandons said resolution.

Therefore, the end of the "physical year" for most people would be... January 2.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #401 on: July 07, 2015, 09:47:25 AM »
Arggh!

It's not "would of".  What the hell does that mean?
It's "would have"; as in, "I would have been"
I'm sorry, I have seen this in three separate threads today.  Thanks for letting me vent.  I feel much better now.
Confession time: I often doublespace.  It is an old habit left from manual typewriters.

I unapologetically double space after periods.  I get that it has become "wrong," but I am a very fast typist, and I only learned in the past couple of years that the standard had changed.  I'm too old and too lazy to retrain myself.

And here's a new one, which I read on FB yesterday: "escape goat," instead of "scapegoat."

Your Facebook friend better run after that goat.

Friend of a friend got an email saying he was busy because it was the end of their physical year.

So....they're done with all physical activity for the year? They plan on vegetating for the rest of the year?

I propose that "physical year" become an official term.  Definition: The period of time between the beginning of one's New Year's Resolution to exercise more, and the moment when one officially abandons said resolution.

Therefore, the end of the "physical year" for most people would be... January 2.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #402 on: July 08, 2015, 10:06:45 AM »
Google "the awful German language" by Mark Twain if you haven't read it yet.  Or just search for sentences that end in ridiculousness like "haben sind gewesen gehabt haben geworden sein" to get a feel for the shenanigans.

Any language with a word that means an improvement that makes things worse can't be all bad.  No, I never can remember the word.  And I need it depressingly often.

I don't know the word, either, but here's something funny about the word improvement: In the field of civil engineering, an "improvement" is any man-made thing on a piece of land. So, any building, sidewalk, water line, parking lot, fence, power pole, electric line, curb, storm drain, you name it, is an "improvement" on that land.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #403 on: July 08, 2015, 10:56:28 AM »
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #404 on: July 08, 2015, 02:44:35 PM »
I unapologetically double space after periods.  I get that it has become "wrong," but I am a very fast typist, and I only learned in the past couple of years that the standard had changed. 
I haven't read the article yet, but on my iphone, when I double space, that's a cue for the messaging app to insert a (.) period.  So I think that the double-spacers are still okay.  And I promise to read the article later.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #405 on: July 08, 2015, 02:51:58 PM »
General opinions on double contractions?

Example I've probably used most: wouldn't've. As in, "Y'all wouldn't've gone to the movies if the weather was nice out."

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #406 on: July 08, 2015, 03:52:22 PM »
General opinions on double contractions?

Example I've probably used most: wouldn't've. As in, "Y'all wouldn't've gone to the movies if the weather was nice out."

I have literally never seen double contractions before.

I wouldn't use them myself but I don't really have an opinion on whether they're right or not.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #407 on: July 08, 2015, 04:04:54 PM »
General opinions on double contractions?

Example I've probably used most: wouldn't've. As in, "Y'all wouldn't've gone to the movies if the weather was nice out."

I think it's fine when writing dialogue,  since it's an imitation of the way some people speak (myself included).

I wouldn't write them outside of very informal speech, though.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #408 on: July 08, 2015, 04:46:54 PM »
Overuse/misuse of the word "eclectic."  Particularly people who describe themselves as eclectic.  Aside from a handful of ancient Greek philosophers, the modern word generally refers to a construct drawn from the best of a variety of sources.  Only Frankenstein's monster could be eclectic.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #409 on: July 09, 2015, 07:04:51 AM »
General opinions on double contractions?

Example I've probably used most: wouldn't've. As in, "Y'all wouldn't've gone to the movies if the weather was nice out."

It's a complete abomination. As is y'all. And to think I might move to Texas.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #410 on: July 09, 2015, 10:29:42 AM »
General opinions on double contractions?

Example I've probably used most: wouldn't've. As in, "Y'all wouldn't've gone to the movies if the weather was nice out."

I have literally never seen double contractions before.

I wouldn't use them myself but I don't really have an opinion on whether they're right or not.

I've never seen them, but I sure have heard them. I guess it's only a matter of time before they hit the pages everywhere, sigh.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #411 on: July 09, 2015, 04:03:56 PM »
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« Reply #412 on: July 10, 2015, 07:42:21 AM »
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Wow. Kind of somehow reminds me of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof: "One of those no-neck monsters hit me with some ice-cream."

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #413 on: July 10, 2015, 04:28:13 PM »
For me the biggest thing that irks me isn't one specific mistake (they're/there/their or loose/lose etc.) but repeated mistakes. I can overlook any typo done once or twice, though I'll usually still notice and cringe a little on the inside. What gets me is when people make the same mistake over and over. I tried reading gocurrycracker.com a few times and had to stop because they have a chronic issue with dropping periods from the last sentence in each paragraph. Once I noticed that it was all I could see and it drove me up the effing wall.

Oh, God, I thought that was just me.  I can read GCC but I keep wanting to yell WHY DO YOU HATE USING PERIODS? 

And more annoying shortened words I see:

Rezzies (reservations)
Vacay (vacation)
Resto (restaurant)
Luxe (deluxe)
Bae (baby)

Annoying indeed.  I think these are all part of the adult baby-talk fad mentioned earlier ("veggie" is the one that is my pet peeve).    People apparently think that baby talk will make then sound winsome and charming, instead of childish and grating.  I keep hoping that they will come to their senses and that soon it will all go away.



Nice to know others feel this way.  Maybe we aren't "cool"  ? Haha

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #414 on: July 10, 2015, 04:58:24 PM »
This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

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« Reply #415 on: July 10, 2015, 07:49:07 PM »
This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

Haha. Can't disagree with that.

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« Reply #416 on: July 10, 2015, 08:01:31 PM »
This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

Haha. Can't disagree with that.

Au contraire, my good chap.  We are so cool the rest of the world simply drips with envy over our frozenness, n'est-ce pas?

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« Reply #417 on: July 10, 2015, 08:05:54 PM »
This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

Haha. Can't disagree with that.

Au contraire, my good chap.  We are so cool the rest of the world simply drips with envy over our frozenness, n'est-ce pas?

Haha you can believe that if it makes you feel better XD

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« Reply #418 on: July 13, 2015, 06:55:17 AM »
Mais oui, nous sommes la creme de la creme.  Les pauvres autres.

This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

Haha. Can't disagree with that.

Au contraire, my good chap.  We are so cool the rest of the world simply drips with envy over our frozenness, n'est-ce pas?

Haha you can believe that if it makes you feel better XD
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #419 on: July 13, 2015, 03:28:32 PM »
This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

This is how I feel as well...but then I have met R@63 in real life and thought she was somewhat cool. I think I can resolve this conflict by forgiving her for participating in this thread because she was a university professor and comes by her grammatical arrogance somewhat honestly.

Not sure about the others though. :)


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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #420 on: July 13, 2015, 06:20:48 PM »
grammatical arrogance

I'm sure this applies to some grammar Nazis but not to all.

For myself, it's about basic competency. The fundamentals. Not esoteric grammar rules or typos. This is true with grammar as with anything else. On the roads you expect people to have basic driving competency, and it doesn't make you arrogant.

Isn't grammar national socialism the same as Antimustachian Shame and Comedy? We're mocking people but deep down we wish they knew better.

I think most grammar nazis are just disheartened by the numbers of people who aren't competent with grammar/spelling. Like it's some kind of advanced skill.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #421 on: July 13, 2015, 07:26:50 PM »
And some comments are made with tongue planted firmly in cheek, while visions of Inspector Clouseau mouthing the words occupy the imagination. ;)

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« Reply #422 on: July 13, 2015, 08:57:20 PM »
How about the misuse of the term begging the question!

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« Reply #423 on: July 16, 2015, 08:59:00 AM »
A few weeks ago, I saw someone write "come uppins" instead of "comeuppance."

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« Reply #424 on: July 17, 2015, 11:15:48 PM »

A few weeks ago, I saw someone write "come uppins" instead of "comeuppance."

FB is a constant source of amusement.

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« Reply #425 on: July 18, 2015, 05:08:15 AM »
Dammed with faint praise.  Actually, I have rarely aspired to be cool, so maybe this is "good".

In a professional/academic environment, people will be judged for their written work (as well as everything else, of course).  The basic issue in all this is you want people to pay attention to what you are saying in your writing (and take your information seriously), not how you wrote your information.  Bad/sloppy writing is a distraction.  Look how distracted people on this thread get when they see bad writing, they totally lose track of the message.

I found the students who wrote clearly also thought clearly, and the students who wrote sloppily tended to think sloppily.  Editing is a great tool, but most people think they write everything perfectly the first time through and don't need to edit.

Let's face it, if someone writes something poorly on FB, it is not a huge issue.  If someone writes badly in a scientific paper, or a grant application, or a CV, it can be a major problem.

And I hope I was clear, because I haven't had my coffee yet  :-(    Dangerous writing before coffee.  But I did use the Preview button.

This is a thread full of people complaining about the way other people use grammar.  No one here is cool.  Sorry.

This is how I feel as well...but then I have met R@63 in real life and thought she was somewhat cool. I think I can resolve this conflict by forgiving her for participating in this thread because she was a university professor and comes by her grammatical arrogance somewhat honestly.

Not sure about the others though. :)
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #426 on: July 18, 2015, 03:00:10 PM »
On Facebook:

"[The puppies'] mother was killed in a viscous Way"

I have no idea how you would kill a dog, or any living thing for that matter, in a viscous way...

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« Reply #427 on: July 18, 2015, 03:16:03 PM »
On Facebook:

"[The puppies'] mother was killed in a viscous Way"

I have no idea how you would kill a dog, or any living thing for that matter, in a viscous way...

Drown it in molasses? That is indeed cruel and vicious.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #428 on: July 19, 2015, 08:13:34 AM »
I have no idea how you would kill a dog, or any living thing for that matter, in a viscous way...

One could argue that flypaper leads to a viscous death.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #429 on: July 19, 2015, 08:16:02 AM »
Drown it in molasses? That is indeed cruel and vicious.
It's happened before.
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« Reply #430 on: July 20, 2015, 11:00:45 AM »
Drown it in molasses? That is indeed cruel and vicious.
It's happened before.

I'm glad you posted that, since it was my first thought, but the link was wonky. FTFY.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #431 on: July 20, 2015, 11:27:41 AM »
Weird, wonder how that happened.

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« Reply #432 on: July 21, 2015, 08:52:35 PM »
grammatical arrogance

I'm sure this applies to some grammar Nazis but not to all.

For myself, it's about basic competency. The fundamentals. Not esoteric grammar rules or typos. This is true with grammar as with anything else. On the roads you expect people to have basic driving competency, and it doesn't make you arrogant.

Isn't grammar national socialism the same as Antimustachian Shame and Comedy? We're mocking people but deep down we wish they knew better.

I think most grammar nazis are just disheartened by the numbers of people who aren't competent with grammar/spelling. Like it's some kind of advanced skill.

Which could be another thread - for example, basic competency in driving should include driving in the 'driving' lane, not using any of the 'overtaking' lanes unless... overtaking! In other words - don't be a middle lane hog! But I digress.
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« Reply #433 on: July 22, 2015, 04:48:35 PM »
I just moved into the city, and I'm walking everywhere now. One thing I've noticed is how bad most drivers are. They just don't understand the rules of the roads.

Come to a stop sign and not know who has the right of way.

Speeding up really fast - and then braking really hard - between stop signs.

And as a pedestrian I have many cars come to a complete stop and wait for me to cross the road, even though I am on the sidewalk not even entering the street.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #434 on: August 10, 2015, 10:06:35 PM »
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« Reply #435 on: August 22, 2015, 02:25:19 PM »
You know what I dream of sometimes? Spelling and grammar moderators on the forum. Nothing mean or snarky, but they would just quietly edit people's posts to correct mistakes. People copy other people, and I think the general linguistic standard would improve if people read more correct writing. Hopefully the moderators would eventually become almost obsolete!

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« Reply #436 on: August 22, 2015, 03:46:11 PM »
You know what I dream of sometimes? Spelling and grammar moderators on the forum. Nothing mean or snarky, but they would just quietly edit people's posts to correct mistakes. People copy other people, and I think the general linguistic standard would improve if people read more correct writing. Hopefully the moderators would eventually become almost obsolete!

Agreed! Also I finally figured out who your avatar is, Coco Chanel :)
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« Reply #437 on: August 22, 2015, 10:46:53 PM »
shelivesthedream - You mean you'd fix stuff like this?

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« Reply #438 on: August 23, 2015, 01:48:48 AM »
You know what I dream of sometimes? Spelling and grammar moderators on the forum. Nothing mean or snarky, but they would just quietly edit people's posts to correct mistakes. People copy other people, and I think the general linguistic standard would improve if people read more correct writing. Hopefully the moderators would eventually become almost obsolete!

Agreed! Also I finally figured out who your avatar is, Coco Chanel :)

Yes! Sort of pre-Chanel. Not sure of the exact year, but in the I cropped photo her dress is clearly Edwardian. I had the photo printed onto a canvas and it's on my bedroom wall. I think it must have been just after I saw the film "Coco Before Chanel".

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Exactly. Just quietly insert "'ve", no need to tell anyone, and we can all get on with our lives knowing that there is one fewer error in the world. My assumption is that through unconscious imitation and peer pressure, everyone's linguistic standard would improve without anyone really noticing.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #439 on: August 23, 2015, 02:12:36 AM »
Is 'I got' really incorrect and worse than 'I've got'?

I would love to be the grammar mod in charge of properly differentiating between 'jive' and 'jibe'. That mistake happens about twice a day here and it drives me nuts.

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« Reply #440 on: August 23, 2015, 02:30:08 AM »
Is 'I got' really incorrect and worse than 'I've got'?

I would love to be the grammar mod in charge of properly differentiating between 'jive' and 'jibe'. That mistake happens about twice a day here and it drives me nuts.

YES. YES IT IS. (Phew! Needed to get that one off my chest! :P) (The poster could, I note, have meant "I acquired" in which case "I got" would have been alright, but as it's been mentioned on this thread I assume not.)

I foresee a problem with the grammar mods... Correcting each other!

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #441 on: August 23, 2015, 02:39:58 AM »
So as long as the poster means what you assume they mean - that is, you get to pick what they were trying to say and they don't - they've made a mistake.

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« Reply #442 on: August 23, 2015, 02:47:08 AM »
So as long as the poster means what you assume they mean - that is, you get to pick what they were trying to say and they don't - they've made a mistake.

I suppose if there were doubt you could message the poster to ask, but in my fantasy world no one knows about the grammar mods except the grammar mods - we'd just zip about doing our thing with nothing but the warm glow of knowing we're grammaring right to reward us.

Also, the "I got" example was a little trickier than the things I had in mind. I was thinking of "viola" for "voila" and "free reign" for "free rein". Things which are just WRONG whichever way you slice them. Or misuse of "there/their/they're"...

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #443 on: August 23, 2015, 06:59:41 AM »
Going beyond grammar, improper spelling drives me up a wall also. You couldn't be bothered to give your sentence a once-over before hitting send? Phones have spellcheck now!

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #444 on: August 23, 2015, 07:22:30 AM »
Also, the "I got" example was a little trickier than the things I had in mind. I was thinking of "viola" for "voila" and "free reign" for "free rein". Things which are just WRONG whichever way you slice them. Or misuse of "there/their/they're"...
Yeah, there's definitely plenty of that about.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #445 on: August 23, 2015, 08:20:17 AM »
Also, the "I got" example was a little trickier than the things I had in mind.

Yeah, it's a dialect difference falling out from languages being fuzzy about the boundaries between past actions and their current results. Here in Newfoundland almost everybody says "I got". Americans are leaning toward (towards?) "I've got" and mainland Canadians toward "I have". This messes up second language learners... Jacob from ERE uses "I got" almost exclusively.

Now we need grammar mods with a dialectology degree! Or else they'll be correcting Americans when they say "I just ate", or Brits when they say "I've just eaten".

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #446 on: August 25, 2015, 05:03:02 AM »
You know what I dream of sometimes? Spelling and grammar moderators on the forum. Nothing mean or snarky, but they would just quietly edit people's posts to correct mistakes. People copy other people, and I think the general linguistic standard would improve if people read more correct writing. Hopefully the moderators would eventually become almost obsolete!

I would like that too, with the exception that I would like to be notified when corrections are applied to my writing. I'm a bit of a grammar snob, but as I've found out on this thread, am also incorrect at times. I'd like to know so I can correct myself in the future.  I grew up with a mother who corrected every error as I spoke and I no longer have that. I find myself picking up the habits of others and misusing language too often.

One of the worst things I see is when someone corrects proper use of object pronouns.   Then I have to correct them and say, no, I was correct and you are not. (I think! )

I also hate "whomever" even when it is used correctly. So I never use it.
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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #447 on: August 25, 2015, 06:47:04 AM »
How have I missed this thread before? My people! I'd love a secret grammar/spelling mod as long as profanity used for emphasis and humor and the obviously ironic use of slang/neologisms/nonstandard English would be spared. Amirite?

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #448 on: August 25, 2015, 07:30:59 AM »
Are you people serious?  The grammar nazis want to create secret grammar police?  You can practice grammar national socialism in the confines of your thread until you're blue in the face, but there's no way the rest of us are going to sit back and let you establish the grammar gestapo.

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Re: Grammar nazi
« Reply #449 on: August 25, 2015, 11:20:47 AM »
I found myself grammar-nazi-ing the other day, and got pushback! I emailed the CBC to suggest they replace "staunch" with "stanch" in an article about  the hemorrhaging Chinese economy, and the quickly replied to tell me that their style guide requires "staunch"! Apparently this is a distinction that the entire rest of the planet stopped worrying about and didn't tell me.
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