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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #100 on: July 06, 2023, 10:35:22 AM »
Shudder.  If I had to choose between ticks and hard winters I would choose hard winters every time. No ticks, no freezing rain, just lovely snow and cold.

I spent a lot of time in the woods when I was between about 6 and 12.  DD did the same when she was the same ages.  I can't imagine doing that now without being drenched in repellent.

That's the nice thing about living where there are no deer, we have very few ticks here.

Moose?

Deer are very vulnerable to bad winters.  I wonder if our deer population is also increasing as winters get milder.

No moose on our island, very few animals period. I saw one little weasel and that's the only wild mammal I've seen our here in two summers even though I'm surrounded by nature.
Am I remembering correctly that there is an occasional polar bear? Like, once every few years or so?

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« Reply #101 on: July 06, 2023, 11:01:20 AM »
Shudder.  If I had to choose between ticks and hard winters I would choose hard winters every time. No ticks, no freezing rain, just lovely snow and cold.

I spent a lot of time in the woods when I was between about 6 and 12.  DD did the same when she was the same ages.  I can't imagine doing that now without being drenched in repellent.

That's the nice thing about living where there are no deer, we have very few ticks here.

Moose?

Deer are very vulnerable to bad winters.  I wonder if our deer population is also increasing as winters get milder.

No moose on our island, very few animals period. I saw one little weasel and that's the only wild mammal I've seen our here in two summers even though I'm surrounded by nature.
Am I remembering correctly that there is an occasional polar bear? Like, once every few years or so?

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

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« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2023, 12:42:35 PM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.

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« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2023, 02:26:10 PM »
Can you imagine having a shower and finding multiple ticks on you?  And wondering if you missed any?  Ugh.

Welcome to my part of the world... You get used to the problem. I haven't had a tick yet all year but then I haven't wandered through the wood much this summer.

i also scrub the bite with rubbing alcohol.    Don't know that it helps but it doesn't hurt.

Just spent a few days in northern WI for the first time in about 15 years. Within one hour of feet on the ground and just a short stint into the woods, I had a tick and heard loons. That is some northern WI vibes right there.

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« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2023, 03:13:23 PM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.
If moose were going to exist on mcat island, they would. One of the interesting facts that I was told in Newfoundland was that they introduced moose for hunting (the island didn’t have any) and they bread really well, so now the centre of Newfoundland has the highest density of moose anywhere. However, Newfoundland is very difficult to get around easily because it’s like a hand with many fingers off it, and very jagged. Most of it, including mcat island, was originally part of Europe, and this bit of continental Europe was wrenched away when the continents broke apart. There’s a place in western Newfoundland where the layer underneath the crust is exposed, and nothing grows, where the division between North America and the piece it stole from the European continent is. Mcat island is right on the end of one of the fingers, in an area that doesn’t have any moose, and all the little islands aren’t really big enough, or the right ecology to support a moose.

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« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2023, 07:11:20 PM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.
If moose were going to exist on mcat island, they would. One of the interesting facts that I was told in Newfoundland was that they introduced moose for hunting (the island didn’t have any) and they bread really well, so now the centre of Newfoundland has the highest density of moose anywhere. However, Newfoundland is very difficult to get around easily because it’s like a hand with many fingers off it, and very jagged. Most of it, including mcat island, was originally part of Europe, and this bit of continental Europe was wrenched away when the continents broke apart. There’s a place in western Newfoundland where the layer underneath the crust is exposed, and nothing grows, where the division between North America and the piece it stole from the European continent is. Mcat island is right on the end of one of the fingers, in an area that doesn’t have any moose, and all the little islands aren’t really big enough, or the right ecology to support a moose.

Bingo, if they wanted to be here, they would be here. But we don't really have many animals here, period, it's too harsh. We don't even have rats, and rats are everywhere.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #106 on: July 06, 2023, 07:15:33 PM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.
If moose were going to exist on mcat island, they would. One of the interesting facts that I was told in Newfoundland was that they introduced moose for hunting (the island didn’t have any) and they bread really well, so now the centre of Newfoundland has the highest density of moose anywhere. However, Newfoundland is very difficult to get around easily because it’s like a hand with many fingers off it, and very jagged. Most of it, including mcat island, was originally part of Europe, and this bit of continental Europe was wrenched away when the continents broke apart. There’s a place in western Newfoundland where the layer underneath the crust is exposed, and nothing grows, where the division between North America and the piece it stole from the European continent is. Mcat island is right on the end of one of the fingers, in an area that doesn’t have any moose, and all the little islands aren’t really big enough, or the right ecology to support a moose.

A good chunk of the east coast also used to be part of Europe.  Continental plates come together and pull apart all the time, geologically speaking.  Africa is a good example of pulling apart right now.  This article mentions that spot in Newfoundland.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/geological-regions

Moose wander so any place could see them*, but as you said, they need a lot of vegetation to thrive so won't stay long if things are not suitable.  And if they have suitable food they can have population explosions. Isle Royale is a fascinating example.  No moose, then moose, then a lot of moose and then a lot of unhealthy moose and stripped vegetation.  Then one winter the ice froze more than usual and some wolves came over.  Problem solved.

*For a wandering example, moose live in Alfred Bog, but I've seen them in Rigaud, say 50 km east of the bog, and I've also seen them crossing a main highway just outside Ottawa, which would be at least 50 km west of the bog.

Moose are impressive, no-one argues with a moose.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #107 on: July 06, 2023, 07:18:43 PM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.
If moose were going to exist on mcat island, they would. One of the interesting facts that I was told in Newfoundland was that they introduced moose for hunting (the island didn’t have any) and they bread really well, so now the centre of Newfoundland has the highest density of moose anywhere. However, Newfoundland is very difficult to get around easily because it’s like a hand with many fingers off it, and very jagged. Most of it, including mcat island, was originally part of Europe, and this bit of continental Europe was wrenched away when the continents broke apart. There’s a place in western Newfoundland where the layer underneath the crust is exposed, and nothing grows, where the division between North America and the piece it stole from the European continent is. Mcat island is right on the end of one of the fingers, in an area that doesn’t have any moose, and all the little islands aren’t really big enough, or the right ecology to support a moose.

Bingo, if they wanted to be here, they would be here. But we don't really have many animals here, period, it's too harsh. We don't even have rats, and rats are everywhere.

Not surprising, since you have shallow soil and harsh winters, so little vegetation to support herbivores.  No herbivores means no carnivores. 

How is the bird population?  Birds have the advantage that they can nest and have babies in summer one place (if there is lots of summer food) and then be good Canadians and go south for the winter.    ;-)  Like snow geese in the Arctic.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2023, 11:06:23 AM »

Yeah, they float over now and then. There was one on the neighbouring island last year, but it's not like they live here, they just occasionally arrive.

Moose are good swimmers.  And they do wander.
If moose were going to exist on mcat island, they would. One of the interesting facts that I was told in Newfoundland was that they introduced moose for hunting (the island didn’t have any) and they bread really well, so now the centre of Newfoundland has the highest density of moose anywhere. However, Newfoundland is very difficult to get around easily because it’s like a hand with many fingers off it, and very jagged. Most of it, including mcat island, was originally part of Europe, and this bit of continental Europe was wrenched away when the continents broke apart. There’s a place in western Newfoundland where the layer underneath the crust is exposed, and nothing grows, where the division between North America and the piece it stole from the European continent is. Mcat island is right on the end of one of the fingers, in an area that doesn’t have any moose, and all the little islands aren’t really big enough, or the right ecology to support a moose.

Bingo, if they wanted to be here, they would be here. But we don't really have many animals here, period, it's too harsh. We don't even have rats, and rats are everywhere.

Not surprising, since you have shallow soil and harsh winters, so little vegetation to support herbivores.  No herbivores means no carnivores. 

How is the bird population?  Birds have the advantage that they can nest and have babies in summer one place (if there is lots of summer food) and then be good Canadians and go south for the winter.    ;-)  Like snow geese in the Arctic.

Newfies frickin' love bird feeders, everyone has them, but we don't have a ton of birds. I see a few species flying around, but nowhere near what you would see in Ottawa around the average city birdhouse, much less in more rural areas.

Just a ton of crows and seagulls.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2023, 11:15:22 AM »
Moose are impressive, no-one argues with a moose.

Except squirrels. Saw it on TV when I was a kid... ;)

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2023, 11:16:36 AM »
"The UN secretary general has said that “climate change is out of control”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/07/un-climate-change-hottest-week-world

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2023, 01:41:45 PM »
"The UN secretary general has said that “climate change is out of control”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/07/un-climate-change-hottest-week-world



Is this someone we are supposed to recognize or just some random meme?


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« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2023, 02:15:42 PM »
"The UN secretary general has said that “climate change is out of control”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/07/un-climate-change-hottest-week-world



We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2023, 02:57:48 PM »
... whistling past the graveyard.

Seriously, people have to cope in one way or another with what's happening; and telling oneself that there is really nothing to see should be seen as another self-help effort.
Good luck with that strategy though.

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« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2023, 03:17:29 PM »
Is this someone we are supposed to recognize or just some random meme?

That's Julia Garner playing Anna Delvey, a famous con woman known for her epic gaslighting

It's a very funny joke. I legit laughed.

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« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2023, 03:21:57 PM »
Is this someone we are supposed to recognize or just some random meme?

That's Julia Garner playing Anna Delvey, a famous con woman known for her epic gaslighting

It's a very funny joke. I legit laughed.

Oh, I have read about Anna "Delvey" Sorokin - that is indeed very funny.
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« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2023, 03:40:51 PM »
Is this someone we are supposed to recognize or just some random meme?

That's Julia Garner playing Anna Delvey, a famous con woman known for her epic gaslighting

It's a very funny joke. I legit laughed.

Ohh - thanks for the info.

I don't recognize either name but the additional context does make this funny. 🤣

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« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2023, 03:50:25 PM »
Is this someone we are supposed to recognize or just some random meme?

That's Julia Garner playing Anna Delvey, a famous con woman known for her epic gaslighting

It's a very funny joke. I legit laughed.

Oh, I have read about Anna "Delvey" Sorokin - that is indeed very funny.

Julia Garner is also the shit and portrays her so frickin' well. I could hear her while reading the meme, which is a huge part of what makes it funny.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #119 on: July 07, 2023, 04:25:10 PM »
... whistling past the graveyard.

Seriously, people have to cope in one way or another with what's happening; and telling oneself that there is really nothing to see should be seen as another self-help effort.
Good luck with that strategy though.

Just don't plan on spending the rest of your early retired life on the coast of Louisiana.

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« Reply #120 on: July 07, 2023, 05:04:43 PM »
We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

I'm sorry! It was worth the joke for those that got it, but I shouldn't expect everyone to have consumed all the masses of pop culture available 😅

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« Reply #121 on: July 07, 2023, 05:28:49 PM »
We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

I'm sorry! It was worth the joke for those that got it, but I shouldn't expect everyone to have consumed all the masses of pop culture available 😅

Lol - no worries. @Metalcat explained it well then I got it. 😃

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« Reply #122 on: July 07, 2023, 05:32:03 PM »
We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

I'm sorry! It was worth the joke for those that got it, but I shouldn't expect everyone to have consumed all the masses of pop culture available 😅

It was a very good joke, IMO.

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« Reply #123 on: July 07, 2023, 05:47:29 PM »
We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

I'm sorry! It was worth the joke for those that got it, but I shouldn't expect everyone to have consumed all the masses of pop culture available 😅

It was a very good joke, IMO.

Agreed.

This is more of a me problem since I rarely watch TV shows or movies or play video games, so I often don't understand pop culture references.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #124 on: July 07, 2023, 06:00:45 PM »
We have come full circle.

I can no longer tell the difference between the people who think all the other people are being too dramatic, and the people who are making fun of the people who think everyone else is being too dramatic.

I'm sorry! It was worth the joke for those that got it, but I shouldn't expect everyone to have consumed all the masses of pop culture available 😅

I got it, and I’ve never seen the show. It was a good joke!

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« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2023, 01:59:10 PM »
We got this out in the oceans:

"To summarize this section, the recent discovery of the marine Prochlorococcus has identified an enormous new source of oxygen on planet Earth. The implications are not yet fully understood but must be substantial."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8960603/

This organism seems to like subtropical latitudes which are expanding northwards and southwards.
If it takes advantage of the greater light exposure and increasing CO2, atmospheric oxygen levels will increase.
Currently, oxygen levels are at 21%, but above 23% wildfires become uncontrollable.

There was a time, the carboniferous, when oxygen levels and CO2 were high and wildfires were basically everywhere, all the time.

So here we have another potential positive feedback loop, and I am very unhappy about it involving a microorganism prone to exponential proliferation, and an ongoing increase in atmospheric CO2 that acts as a fertilizer for wildfire fuel (forests and other biomass).

Yes, the campfire comparison is kind of uninformed given that being terminally choked out by smoke isn´t a completely unrealistic scenario.

Looks like there is new evidence for increasing abundance of phytoplankton in the oceans in the tropical/subtropical belt.

Briefly, during the Carboniferous period atmospheric oxygen and carbon dioxide were very high and there were vast tropical rain forests/swamps covering extensive tropical lowlands.
These forests were continually burning due to the elevated atmospheric O2 and the abundance of fuel biomass (the abundance of fuel might have been boosted by the absence of wood (lignin) digesting organisms).
But not all wood was burned - a lot got buried in oxygen free swamps and got converted to coal.

The ongoing sequestration of organic carbon left oxygen behind, and thus maintained elevated atmospheric oxygen level in a sort of steady state until the rainforests collapsed in a cooling event at the transition from the Carboniferous to the Permian period.
A good part of the current rise in CO2 is due to the burning of the coal from the Carboniferous.

The CO2 levels in the Carboniferous were much higher than today, but there is one scenario in which CO2 levels could rise quickly and dramatically due to the release of methane from methane clathrate, mainly from ocean sediments and melting permafrost, as a consequence of ocean warming.
This methane is a potent greenhouse gas in its own right but is unstable and is oxidized to CO2 and water.

Today, there are no tropical lowlands anywhere near the extent of carboniferous coal swamps, and there are wood digesting organisms everywhere.
So even if the atmospheric CO2 levels go up dramatically, sequestration of organic carbon as wood would not have anywhere near the impact the mechanism had during the Carboniferous, as most wood would be oxidized by fire or biologic mechanisms, cycling the fixed carbon back into the atmosphere as CO2.

And here comes prochlorococcus, which is superabundant and is increasing its geographic range towards higher latitudes due to ocean warming.
Interestingly, prochlorococcus productivity is not constrained by limited availability of phosphate, as plants and phytoplanktons are, as it utilizes sulfolipids instead of phospholipids in its cell membranes.

I can't see a better candidate for large scale organic carbon sequestration than prochlorococcus proliferation driven organic carbon deposition in the increasingly anoxic ocean depths.

It is clear that the mechanisms outlined here act synergistically in part:

1. increasing CO2
2. ocean warming and spreading anoxia
3. prochlorococcus proliferation
4. methane release (? massive or not)
5. further increase in CO2 causing higher productivity in plants
6. further ocean warming and anoxia
7. sequestration of organic carbon from dead phytoplankton in the anoxic ocean depths with consequently rising atmospheric O2
8. possibly a new steady state with elevated O2, CO2 and terrestrial biomass and continual wildfires

This steady state could last for millions of years and would be eerily reminiscent of conditions in the Carboniferous minus the coal swamps.

Humans probably wouldn't do well in such a world.

Cheers!


World’s oceans changing colour due to climate breakdown, study suggests

The sea is becoming greener due to changes in plankton populations, analysis of Nasa images finds

Earth’s oceans are changing colour and climate breakdown is probably to blame, according to research.

The deep blue sea is actually becoming steadily greener over time, according to the study, with areas in the low latitudes near the equator especially affected.

“The reason we care about this is not because we care about the colour, but because the colour is a reflection of the changes in the state of the ecosystem,” said BB Cael, a scientist at the National Oceanography Centre at the University of Southampton and author of the study published in Nature.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/12/worlds-oceans-changing-colour-due-to-climate-breakdown-study-suggests


The paper the article is referring to:

Global climate-change trends detected in indicators of ocean ecology
B. B. Cael, Kelsey Bisson, Emmanuel Boss, Stephanie Dutkiewicz & Stephanie Henson
Published: 12 July 2023, nature

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06321-z
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« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2023, 06:00:42 PM »
Cheers yourself!

If oxygen and carbon dioxide levels are elevated, does this mean an increase in atmospheric volume?   Maybe not the right term...  I mean the total amount of atmosphere, ie is some other component (N2?) being lowered somehow, or is there just going to be more atmosphere?

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« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2023, 06:46:13 PM »
Cheers yourself!

If oxygen and carbon dioxide levels are elevated, does this mean an increase in atmospheric volume?   Maybe not the right term...  I mean the total amount of atmosphere, ie is some other component (N2?) being lowered somehow, or is there just going to be more atmosphere?

Well, N2 is pretty inert and with no mechanism to strip it away that I know of, atmospheric volume would increase proportionally with increases in O2 and CO2, with adjustment for increased atmospheric pressure (which is related to volume but definitely a conceptually more convenient way to look at the atmosphere than volume) - but I don't know beyond this somewhat educated guess.

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« Reply #128 on: July 13, 2023, 06:17:09 PM »
Now we've got over 300 wildfires in northern BC.   https://globalnews.ca/news/9827820/bc-wildfire-latest-news-update-burning-july-12/

The only good news is that we came back from our vacation out west on Sunday after 10 days of excellent weather (except for one major thunder storm on Friday).

Oh yeah, there was a tornado in Ottawa today for good measure.   
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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #129 on: August 17, 2023, 07:12:10 PM »
And now Maui is on fire. Who's next?

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« Reply #130 on: August 17, 2023, 07:17:31 PM »
And now Maui is on fire. Who's next?

Yellowknife, NWT.  The whole city of 20K people is being evacuated.  Fun times.

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« Reply #131 on: August 18, 2023, 07:19:07 AM »
And now Maui is on fire. Who's next?

Yellowknife, NWT.  The whole city of 20K people is being evacuated.  Fun times.

CBC put together a fun map so you can visualize what's going on regarding the fires - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2023/climate-dashboard/.  Really eye opening.

(They were also doing an overlay that showed where the smoke was heaviest and where it was travelling, but unfortunately that seems to be broken now.)

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« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2023, 07:34:21 AM »
And now Maui is on fire. Who's next?

Yellowknife, NWT.  The whole city of 20K people is being evacuated.  Fun times.

CBC put together a fun map so you can visualize what's going on regarding the fires - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2023/climate-dashboard/.  Really eye opening.

(They were also doing an overlay that showed where the smoke was heaviest and where it was travelling, but unfortunately that seems to be broken now.)

Canada is lit AF!
Seriously, the visualization gives scope of the spread. Ridiculously crazy, the number of fires.

(thanks @GuitarStv for the URL)

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2023, 08:52:26 AM »
We are entering an age of increased climate volatility and likely more frequent and severe wildfires. Plan accordingly.  Avoid living in dangerous forested areas. If you choose not to, at least get a 300 foot firebreak going around your house.  Be ready to evacuate. Have adequate fire insurance coverage. Have a plan B.  Avoid electric utility company stocks.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2023, 09:04:04 AM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #135 on: August 18, 2023, 09:48:36 AM »
And now Maui is on fire. Who's next?

Yellowknife, NWT.  The whole city of 20K people is being evacuated.  Fun times.

CBC put together a fun map so you can visualize what's going on regarding the fires - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2023/climate-dashboard/.  Really eye opening.

(They were also doing an overlay that showed where the smoke was heaviest and where it was travelling, but unfortunately that seems to be broken now.)

Canada is lit AF!
Seriously, the visualization gives scope of the spread. Ridiculously crazy, the number of fires.

(thanks @GuitarStv for the URL)

Kelowna, a major urban center in BC of like 150K people has a very real chance of being burned to the ground right now. Parts of the city are starting to be evacuated, the fire jumped over the lake during the night and embers are now starting fires all over the city, and high winds and more lightning is expected over the weekend. So both Yellowknife and kelowna, major urban areas for their provinces, are being heavily impacted at the same time.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/what-you-need-to-know-about-bc-wildfires-aug-18-2023-1.6940311

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #136 on: August 18, 2023, 10:00:19 AM »
We are entering an age of increased climate volatility and likely more frequent and severe wildfires. Plan accordingly.  Avoid living in dangerous forested areas. If you choose not to, at least get a 300 foot firebreak going around your house.  Be ready to evacuate. Have adequate fire insurance coverage. Have a plan B.  Avoid electric utility company stocks.

???

I'm on a rock in the ocean where it would be very hard for fire to spread anywhere near my house and we were still facing a massive potential crisis due to wildfires many hours away because they were threatening to block highway access and our entire supply chain, with no resources on the larger island to control the fires.

You can only plan accordingly to a certain degree.

My DH worked in exactly this kind of emergency planning for the federal government, their models are batshit insane in terms of complexity and what they account for. The average person is pretty fucked when trying to account for the robustness of a region against natural disasters.

No one thought Ottawa was particularly susceptible to massive flooding, fires, and tornadoes and suddenly "100 year floods," fires, and tornadoes became a kind of ordinary event pretty much overnight.

I grew up hearing about extreme weather events and feeling like where I lived was thankfully remarkably boring in terms of weather. Now it feels like violent weather chaos has become the norm.

This summer alone has involved fires, tornadoes, haul the size of baseballs, and completely washed out inner city roads from massive flooding, and that's just in the 2.5 months since I left.

I'm in an area known for its unbelievably extreme weather and it's felt like a calm oasis comparably.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #137 on: August 18, 2023, 10:25:48 AM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?

Agreed.  Sounds a little... dramatic :P

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2023, 10:28:58 AM »
There is also this site.
https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/

You can have fores fires anywhere there are trees.  I lived in a forested area many years ago and we had a forest fire because the idiot near us started an outdoor fire when it was dry and windy.  We had water bombers putting it out because the whole area was sparsely populated and everyone was on wells, so no nice handy fire hydrants.

And it doesn't have to be conifers either, although they burn really nicely.  Our fire was in beech-maple forest.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #139 on: August 18, 2023, 11:23:19 AM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?
When the fires came to Canberra (the capital of Australia) in 2003, and fire tornadoes were documented for the first time, and about 500 homes were destroyed in one afternoon, we weren’t in a forested area. The fire that I could see from my house for three weeks in 2020 wasn’t started in a forested area - a fire fighting helicopter started it with its lights in grassland, and it destroyed millions of acres.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #140 on: August 18, 2023, 02:42:29 PM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?
When the fires came to Canberra (the capital of Australia) in 2003, and fire tornadoes were documented for the first time, and about 500 homes were destroyed in one afternoon, we weren’t in a forested area. The fire that I could see from my house for three weeks in 2020 wasn’t started in a forested area - a fire fighting helicopter started it with its lights in grassland, and it destroyed millions of acres.

Crap.  How ironic is that?

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2023, 12:42:36 PM »
And now Tenerife, Spain has a major wildfire, with 26,000 being evacuated.  I think everyone is going to be happy to see winter this year.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2023, 01:11:17 PM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?


I thought everyone was aware if they were in or near an area of high risk.  Here is a map to get you started...



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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2023, 02:42:34 PM »
There is a hurricane bearing down on California, the seas around here are overheating with drastic effects on the coral reefs, and there are fires where none should be - certainly interesting times we are living through:


A changing climate, growing human populations and widespread fires contributed to the last major extinction event − can we prevent another?

Published: August 17, 2023 3.42pm EDT

Over the past decade, deadly wildfires have become increasingly common because of both human-caused climate change and disruptive land management practices. Southern California, where the three of us live and work, has been hit especially hard.

Southern California also experienced a wave of wildfires 13,000 years ago. These fires permanently transformed the region’s vegetation and contributed to Earth’s largest extinction in more than 60 million years.

As paleontologists, we have a unique perspective on the long-term causes and consequences of environmental changes, both those linked to natural climate fluctuations and those wrought by humans.


https://theconversation.com/a-changing-climate-growing-human-populations-and-widespread-fires-contributed-to-the-last-major-extinction-event-can-we-prevent-another-211712



Pre–Younger Dryas megafaunal extirpation at Rancho La Brea linked to fire-driven state shift

18 Aug 2023
Vol 381, Issue 6659

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo3594

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2023, 03:21:16 PM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?


I thought everyone was aware if they were in or near an area of high risk.  Here is a map to get you started...




So much of that map is red or yellow that it's almost pointless.  And yes, at least some people could leave those areas and move to... Tornado Alley, I guess.  Is that actually better?  Or extreme blizzard land, the flood plains of the mighty Mississippi, and places likely to be hit by hurricanes.  Problem solved!

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2023, 03:34:03 PM »
What Villanelle said. Are we supposed to just abandon the entire western half of the US? Should be easy!

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2023, 04:32:35 PM »
What Villanelle said. Are we supposed to just abandon the entire western half of the US? Should be easy!
I don't think anyone said it would be easy, it's a lot of environmental refugees to manage.

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2023, 04:42:02 PM »
What Villanelle said. Are we supposed to just abandon the entire western half of the US? Should be easy!
I don't think anyone said it would be easy, it's a lot of environmental refugees to manage.

Precisely, I don't think Canada has seen such high numbers of internally displaced persons due to environmental disaster ever before.
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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #148 on: August 19, 2023, 05:35:08 PM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?


I thought everyone was aware if they were in or near an area of high risk.  Here is a map to get you started...




Funny how the very fires this thread was about were in areas designated as "low risk" by the 2021 fire risk maps...

So folks who act very chose where to live in 2021 based on where they thought the risk was low may have put themselves right in the path of an absolutely massive fire.

As I already said, for many, many years the Ottawa area of Ontario has been a very weather benign place to live except for some ultra mega snowstorms, but we have the infrastructure to generally handle that.

Otherwise, crazy weather events and major fires just didn't really happen. Now they are happening constantly, multiple in a single season.

Everyone can follow your advice and live according to that map, but what happens when things are rapidly changing and last year's map doesn't predict next year's disaster risk?

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Re: Getting kinda bummed out about these wildfires . . .
« Reply #149 on: August 20, 2023, 05:49:49 AM »
Avoid living in dangerous forested areas.

Which are dangerous forested areas?  Most of BC wasn't considered particularly dangerous . . . until this year.  Is it just any area where there are trees now?


I thought everyone was aware if they were in or near an area of high risk.  Here is a map to get you started...




Funny how the very fires this thread was about were in areas designated as "low risk" by the 2021 fire risk maps...

So folks who act very chose where to live in 2021 based on where they thought the risk was low may have put themselves right in the path of an absolutely massive fire.

As I already said, for many, many years the Ottawa area of Ontario has been a very weather benign place to live except for some ultra mega snowstorms, but we have the infrastructure to generally handle that.

Otherwise, crazy weather events and major fires just didn't really happen. Now they are happening constantly, multiple in a single season.

Everyone can follow your advice and live according to that map, but what happens when things are rapidly changing and last year's map doesn't predict next year's disaster risk?

Low risk is a relative designation, not a guarantee there will never be a fire. Does Canada have fire risk maps?

 

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