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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2025, 12:46:06 PM »
Musk has taken over the treasury payment department and has locked employees out of their computers. He can stop paying federal employees, social security, Medicare, etc. He also has lists of all the employees including the FBI, CIA, etc.

Can you link this please? I've heard he wants it but can't find where he's done it. I'd like the link to share.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Furthermore, in the General Services Administration...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lackeys-general-services-administration

This is VERY VERY bad! Are these people even federal employees with clearance to do this? What can we do? Who can do anything?

Just to be clear: What is speculation and what is fact in all this?

From what I can tell there is a good bit of speculation about what Musk et al are doing, but I haven’t seen any evidence of exactly what they’ve done. I read that “some” federal employees have lost access to systems and that “It is unclear precisely why Musk’s team sought access to those systems.” But…what if anything is illegal in all this?

It certainly seems like odd business going on but I can’t tell what. I’m just  trying to learn the truth.
Why don't you do a minute of research yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Reuters - about as high-quality and unbiased a source as there is.

LOL, that’s one of the pieces I read. Not much meat and contains  limited source material from someone who didn’t want to be named…and even they didn’t know much.

Do YOU read this?

I agree we should vet our news but even if details are inaccurate such as whether he’s had minions attaching hard drives to OPM computers and locked out workers (with the aid of a yes man OPM manager), the big question is how is an unelected individual bypassing Congress for any of this, even as a “consultant”?

Freezing USAID and suspending 60 of its employees also seems unconstitutional.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2025, 02:19:08 PM »
I don't want to go into the details of my own situation too deeply (aside from what I've already said) as while I live 900 miles away from DC, my duty station is still DC. So I don't think any relocation would be relevant to me but very well could be to others.

Telework was taken away officially yesterday at my agency for all non bargaining unit employees (supervisory 13s, 14s, 15s).

I'm currently on leave due to a birth but we did receive perhaps the most official looking document today and does indirectly mention backpay in case of a govt shutdown. 

I am still gathering information and appreciate the feedback and advice, especially those who are/were feds or have experience with severance.  Many questions still remain!

I know a household with two feds, one is resigning (and already has a new job lined up in private sector) and the other is not. Interesting hedge. Crystal balls are still very blurry!

If your telworking 100% 900miles from DC, legally they should have changed your official duty station to your home address. Check your last sf50. It will list your organization and address (the large middle boxes, box 14 and 22), but separately list your duty station as your home city (box 39 small box near the bottom).

Note the email you attached is a canned email that OPM required all agencies to send out. Try asking your agency about any info in it and I wonder if they will direct you to contact OPM like ours did. They don't want to touch answering questions about it with a ten foot pole.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2025, 02:29:46 PM »
Besides being reported in the New York Times yesterday it was on the national news. Musk had his workers put software on the computers and locked the employees out of their computers. The head of the treasury payment department wouldn’t give them access so he was relieved of duty. Now people that aren’t federal employees have access to all the information that social security, Medicare, etc have. They deposit money into SS accounts monthly and can also remove money if there’s an overpayment.

 The department previously had staff that was closely vetted so the information was safe. Today I only left enough money to cover my bills because of this. I moved the extra money to an unrelated online bank. It’s illegal and no one is stopping them. Once your information is compromised there’s no going back. They could decide to suddenly stop payments like they did with other programs or cut what people receive. My SS was supposed to double because of the SS fairness act but now SS put on its website it could take a year or longer for people to receive the increase and backpay. I bet we never see it.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2025, 02:32:33 PM »
Musk has taken over the treasury payment department and has locked employees out of their computers. He can stop paying federal employees, social security, Medicare, etc. He also has lists of all the employees including the FBI, CIA, etc.

Can you link this please? I've heard he wants it but can't find where he's done it. I'd like the link to share.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Furthermore, in the General Services Administration...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lackeys-general-services-administration

This is VERY VERY bad! Are these people even federal employees with clearance to do this? What can we do? Who can do anything?

Just to be clear: What is speculation and what is fact in all this?

From what I can tell there is a good bit of speculation about what Musk et al are doing, but I haven’t seen any evidence of exactly what they’ve done. I read that “some” federal employees have lost access to systems and that “It is unclear precisely why Musk’s team sought access to those systems.” But…what if anything is illegal in all this?

It certainly seems like odd business going on but I can’t tell what. I’m just  trying to learn the truth.
Why don't you do a minute of research yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Reuters - about as high-quality and unbiased a source as there is.

LOL, that’s one of the pieces I read. Not much meat and contains  limited source material from someone who didn’t want to be named…and even they didn’t know much.

Do YOU read this?
HOnestly, I'm of the opinion you've been largely trolling this forum for a long time - should have respected my own ignore list and not looked at what you wrote.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2025, 02:42:16 PM »
Musk has taken over the treasury payment department and has locked employees out of their computers. He can stop paying federal employees, social security, Medicare, etc. He also has lists of all the employees including the FBI, CIA, etc.

Can you link this please? I've heard he wants it but can't find where he's done it. I'd like the link to share.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Furthermore, in the General Services Administration...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lackeys-general-services-administration

This is VERY VERY bad! Are these people even federal employees with clearance to do this? What can we do? Who can do anything?

Just to be clear: What is speculation and what is fact in all this?

From what I can tell there is a good bit of speculation about what Musk et al are doing, but I haven’t seen any evidence of exactly what they’ve done. I read that “some” federal employees have lost access to systems and that “It is unclear precisely why Musk’s team sought access to those systems.” But…what if anything is illegal in all this?

It certainly seems like odd business going on but I can’t tell what. I’m just  trying to learn the truth.
Why don't you do a minute of research yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Reuters - about as high-quality and unbiased a source as there is.

LOL, that’s one of the pieces I read. Not much meat and contains  limited source material from someone who didn’t want to be named…and even they didn’t know much.

Do YOU read this?
HOnestly, I'm of the opinion you've been largely trolling this forum for a long time - should have respected my own ignore list and not looked at what you wrote.

Yea, @Ron Scott started this entire thread with completely fabricated statements and refuses to provide any source for his continued statements completely detached from reality.  Then he jumps in to criticize other sources.

His profile even bemouns the dividing of the republic while all his posts seem to indicate a desire to divide on statements of outrage and falsehood.


It’s classic troll behavior. I’ve ignored and suggest you do as well.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2025, 02:45:21 PM »
Musk has taken over the treasury payment department and has locked employees out of their computers. He can stop paying federal employees, social security, Medicare, etc. He also has lists of all the employees including the FBI, CIA, etc.

Can you link this please? I've heard he wants it but can't find where he's done it. I'd like the link to share.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Furthermore, in the General Services Administration...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lackeys-general-services-administration

This is VERY VERY bad! Are these people even federal employees with clearance to do this? What can we do? Who can do anything?

Just to be clear: What is speculation and what is fact in all this?

From what I can tell there is a good bit of speculation about what Musk et al are doing, but I haven’t seen any evidence of exactly what they’ve done. I read that “some” federal employees have lost access to systems and that “It is unclear precisely why Musk’s team sought access to those systems.” But…what if anything is illegal in all this?

It certainly seems like odd business going on but I can’t tell what. I’m just  trying to learn the truth.
Why don't you do a minute of research yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Reuters - about as high-quality and unbiased a source as there is.

LOL, that’s one of the pieces I read. Not much meat and contains  limited source material from someone who didn’t want to be named…and even they didn’t know much.

Do YOU read this?
HOnestly, I'm of the opinion you've been largely trolling this forum for a long time - should have respected my own ignore list and not looked at what you wrote.

Yea, @Ron Scott started this entire thread with completely fabricated statements and refuses to provide any source for his continued statements completely detached from reality.  Then he jumps in to criticize other sources.

His profile even bemouns the dividing of the republic while all his posts seem to indicate a desire to divide on statements of outrage and falsehood.


It’s classic troll behavior. I’ve ignored and suggest you do as well.

LOL—did you actually read the piece cited above!?

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2025, 10:25:00 PM »
Some quotes of things that actually happened, from sources provided in this thread:

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Aides to Elon Musk charged with running the U.S. government human resources agency have locked career civil servants out of computer systems that contain the personal data of millions of federal employees, according to two agency officials.

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The systems include a vast database called Enterprise Human Resources Integration, which contains dates of birth, Social Security numbers, appraisals, home addresses, pay grades and length of service of government workers, the officials said.

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Don Moynihan, a professor at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan, said the actions inside OPM raised concerns about congressional oversight at the agency and how Trump and Musk view the federal bureaucracy.
"This makes it much harder for anyone outside Musk's inner circle at OPM to know what's going on," Moynihan said.

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A team including current and former employees of Musk assumed command of OPM on Jan. 20, the day Trump took office.

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The new appointees in charge of OPM have moved the agency's chief management officer, Katie Malague, out of her office and to a new office on a different floor, the officials said.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2025, 07:57:57 AM »
HOnestly, I'm of the opinion you've been largely trolling this forum for a long time - should have respected my own ignore list and not looked at what you wrote.

I regret it every time I don't respect the ignore list.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #108 on: February 02, 2025, 03:08:34 PM »
Musk has taken over the treasury payment department and has locked employees out of their computers. He can stop paying federal employees, social security, Medicare, etc. He also has lists of all the employees including the FBI, CIA, etc.

Can you link this please? I've heard he wants it but can't find where he's done it. I'd like the link to share.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Furthermore, in the General Services Administration...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lackeys-general-services-administration

This is VERY VERY bad! Are these people even federal employees with clearance to do this? What can we do? Who can do anything?

Just to be clear: What is speculation and what is fact in all this?

From what I can tell there is a good bit of speculation about what Musk et al are doing, but I haven’t seen any evidence of exactly what they’ve done. I read that “some” federal employees have lost access to systems and that “It is unclear precisely why Musk’s team sought access to those systems.” But…what if anything is illegal in all this?

It certainly seems like odd business going on but I can’t tell what. I’m just  trying to learn the truth.
Why don't you do a minute of research yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

Reuters - about as high-quality and unbiased a source as there is.

LOL, that’s one of the pieces I read. Not much meat and contains  limited source material from someone who didn’t want to be named…and even they didn’t know much.

Do YOU read this?

Any new thoughts/regrets now that this story has blown up and we're living in a country where a private citizen, an unhinged CEO with a list of conflicts of interest too long to begin to detail has unfettered access to private data of pretty much all US citizens?

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2025, 08:05:49 AM »
The list of names of the people who work for musk are being released all over social media. People are calling the FBI, etc demanding they be arrested. If the government doesn’t take action I would venture to guess that society will. Sadly they are all ages 19-24 so probably too young to realize what they have done is a crime.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2025, 08:33:36 AM »
The list of names of the people who work for musk are being released all over social media. People are calling the FBI, etc demanding they be arrested. If the government doesn’t take action I would venture to guess that society will. Sadly they are all ages 19-24 so probably too young to realize what they have done is a crime.

Is it a crime if there's no chance of consequences for actions taken?  Trump has veto power over legal repercussions for anyone in the country.  And the SC has said that Trump himself is a God-king and fully above the law while in office.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #111 on: February 03, 2025, 09:31:00 AM »
The list of names of the people who work for musk are being released all over social media. People are calling the FBI, etc demanding they be arrested. If the government doesn’t take action I would venture to guess that society will. Sadly they are all ages 19-24 so probably too young to realize what they have done is a crime.

It’s possible that just like he uses his child X as a human shield during rallies, Musk is using these young grads/interns as a human shield for DOGE. The MO is very Trump-like, and if history repeats they will go to jail while he does not.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #112 on: February 05, 2025, 04:47:01 PM »
I only read about half this thread.
I get that there are lots of federal employees who don't really have a home office/nearby.

But the people I know, live(d) near one.
My boss was complaining at lunch today on behalf of her friends.
1. Employee moved from NJ to Philly on the expectation of only having to go into the office one day a week.  No more. So sad.
2. Employee has a young child and no daycare provider, needs to be home to pick the child up from the bus stop.  And what about the 2-3 hours after that? If your child can't get home alone, can they be home alone unsupervised? Or does employee usually quit work at 2:15 and pick up at night?  When I worked for the federal government, there was a form you had to sign that you had daycare for your young kids. 
3. My family member is federal, WFH; regularly throw parties, entertains, talks on the phone for an hour, all while "working"; checks his computer every 15 minutes to make sure nothing has blown up but doesn't make an effort to find maintenance work or anything else to do. Whereas I, in the private sector, rarely take 5 minutes to make a personal call.
4. Another one of my family member, retired for 10 years, worked from home 2 days a week.  I saw him take maybe half a dozen conference calls in 5 years.
5. This aligns with the federal managers and staff I worked with, 10 years ago, who WFH on MF.  You couldn't get an email reply, an important meeting, no contact unless it was an emergency. Did they do important paperwork or training on that time?  I would be surprised.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #113 on: February 05, 2025, 08:28:17 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/buyout-trump-offer-workforce-resignation-musk-doge-opm-education-rcna190881

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A spokesperson for the Office of Personnel Management said that this was false, and pointed to a memo that states the resignation offer’s “assurances are binding on the government. Were the government to backtrack on its commitments, an employee would be entitled to request a rescission of his or her resignation.” However, the memo includes a sample agreement that includes a clause that agency heads retain the sole discretion to rescind the deal, and employees waive the right to challenge it before the Merit Systems Protection Board, "or any other forum.”

Just so we're clear - these words came out of somebody's mouth with a straight face

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #114 on: February 05, 2025, 08:45:21 PM »
Everyone in my sister's office has to be RTO by Friday. I asked her about it and she said it'll be a net loss for the government. Before, with hybrid work, everyone would frequently work beyond their contracted hours off the clock to get stuff finished, answer their phones on weekends, etc. She said the general sentiment from everyone is that all stops. Work only occurs strictly on the clock, no exceptions. That's technically the law anyway. When upper management is asking why stuff isn't getting done it'll be "FAFO."
« Last Edit: February 05, 2025, 08:48:18 PM by MrGreen »

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #115 on: February 05, 2025, 09:03:13 PM »
I only read about half this thread.
I get that there are lots of federal employees who don't really have a home office/nearby.

But the people I know, live(d) near one.
My boss was complaining at lunch today on behalf of her friends.
1. Employee moved from NJ to Philly on the expectation of only having to go into the office one day a week.  No more. So sad.
2. Employee has a young child and no daycare provider, needs to be home to pick the child up from the bus stop.  And what about the 2-3 hours after that? If your child can't get home alone, can they be home alone unsupervised? Or does employee usually quit work at 2:15 and pick up at night?  When I worked for the federal government, there was a form you had to sign that you had daycare for your young kids. 
3. My family member is federal, WFH; regularly throw parties, entertains, talks on the phone for an hour, all while "working"; checks his computer every 15 minutes to make sure nothing has blown up but doesn't make an effort to find maintenance work or anything else to do. Whereas I, in the private sector, rarely take 5 minutes to make a personal call.
4. Another one of my family member, retired for 10 years, worked from home 2 days a week.  I saw him take maybe half a dozen conference calls in 5 years.
5. This aligns with the federal managers and staff I worked with, 10 years ago, who WFH on MF.  You couldn't get an email reply, an important meeting, no contact unless it was an emergency. Did they do important paperwork or training on that time?  I would be surprised.

I know plenty of people in the private sector I could say the same about. I also know plenty of people who go into the office, but spend a lot of time at lunch, having coffee, chatting & fooling around. I'm not sure how WFH changes any of that. There are folks who aren't particularly productive on all sides. (btw, that's what goals, metrics & a performance management process are for.) Some who WFH, some who go to the office. Your example suggests that, based on the handful of people you/your boss knows, all federal employees should not be allowed to WFH, because some of them are inefficient. Unless there's actual data that plays out to track that, it's really not illustrative of anything.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #116 on: February 06, 2025, 08:11:04 AM »
Everyone in my sister's office has to be RTO by Friday. I asked her about it and she said it'll be a net loss for the government. Before, with hybrid work, everyone would frequently work beyond their contracted hours off the clock to get stuff finished, answer their phones on weekends, etc. She said the general sentiment from everyone is that all stops. Work only occurs strictly on the clock, no exceptions. That's technically the law anyway. When upper management is asking why stuff isn't getting done it'll be "FAFO."

But that's the goal though.  Republicans have long argued that government is useless and inefficient.  This is part of the plan to make that belief into a reality.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #117 on: February 06, 2025, 11:23:53 AM »
https://bsky.app/profile/kyledcheney.bsky.social/post/3lhjoxvnzty2n

Judge orders a stay on the resignation plan for at least a few days to hear arguments.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #118 on: February 06, 2025, 03:07:29 PM »
A supervisor called me a few hours ago telling me that she was ordered to call all of her staff and tell them verbally that all of the agency's employees (regardless of union / bargaining unit status / hired remote status, etc.) have to return by X date.

Apparently all of the agency's supervisors... down to first line supervisors... were told to do this verbally and to refuse to  put it in writing.

Disclaimer: Apolitical statement of fact. I don't mind returning to work... just this weird, blatantly bullshit "it's not in writing, it didn't happen" kid stuff is insane.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #119 on: February 06, 2025, 03:10:47 PM »
A supervisor called me a few hours ago telling me that she was ordered to call all of her staff and tell them verbally that all of the agency's employees (regardless of union / bargaining unit status / hired remote status, etc.) have to return by X date.

Apparently all of the agency's supervisors... down to first line supervisors... were told to do this verbally and to refuse to  put it in writing.

Disclaimer: Apolitical statement of fact. I don't mind returning to work... just this weird, blatantly bullshit "it's not in writing, it didn't happen" kid stuff is insane.
Send an email confirming the conversation. They'll have to either reply "no I didn't say that" or you've got your written proof.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2025, 03:29:00 PM »
A supervisor called me a few hours ago telling me that she was ordered to call all of her staff and tell them verbally that all of the agency's employees (regardless of union / bargaining unit status / hired remote status, etc.) have to return by X date.

Apparently all of the agency's supervisors... down to first line supervisors... were told to do this verbally and to refuse to  put it in writing.

Disclaimer: Apolitical statement of fact. I don't mind returning to work... just this weird, blatantly bullshit "it's not in writing, it didn't happen" kid stuff is insane.
Send an email confirming the conversation. They'll have to either reply "no I didn't say that" or you've got your written proof.

Thanks for that. The union eventually stepped in and issued a statement / they're on it.

Here's how absurd this is... the acting head of the agency had every single supervisor telephone their staff individually and inform them of an apocryphal return to office date. This is for an agency with tens of thousands of FTEs.

Given how long this would take... calling each employee individually... the first call recipients (myself included) assumed we were being targeted to pressure us out by what was originally believed to be the resignation deadline.

But, in reality, the best / easiest to get along with staff seem to have been called first to test the waters.

Not doing a good job of articulating how perverse today was... I feel for folks who went through a Lehman Bros. mass firing. We're kinda heading towards that it feels.

Edit: Typos
« Last Edit: February 06, 2025, 03:33:32 PM by nouseforausername »

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #121 on: February 07, 2025, 06:25:27 AM »
Can ALL Federal Employees strike at once? Wouldn't that put an end to this nonsense? Let Red State folks miss one SS Check and see what happens.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #122 on: February 07, 2025, 06:40:54 AM »
The rule of law is dead, I think. I'm not very confident that a court decision would be obeyed by the Trump administration at this point. So if they want to fire you... they'll just stop paying and dare the courts to try to enforce it.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

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« Reply #123 on: February 07, 2025, 09:18:11 AM »
The rule of law is dead, I think. I'm not very confident that a court decision would be obeyed by the Trump administration at this point. So if they want to fire you... they'll just stop paying and dare the courts to try to enforce it.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

-W

Yep, I sadly agree. Congress has rolled over and injunctions don't matter when you control the bank accounts.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2025, 12:18:29 PM »
FEMA employees saying there's not enough desk space after mandated return to work.

https://x.com/samstein/status/1889325006221365484

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2025, 12:25:44 PM »
The rule of law is dead, I think. I'm not very confident that a court decision would be obeyed by the Trump administration at this point. So if they want to fire you... they'll just stop paying and dare the courts to try to enforce it.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

-W

This is my assumption. If they control the checks to Federal employees (and the politicians), and tax returns/SS/details of citizen identity, what's to stop them from just withholding payment to everything until everyone lets them do what they want?

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #126 on: February 11, 2025, 12:36:35 PM »
The rule of law is dead, I think. I'm not very confident that a court decision would be obeyed by the Trump administration at this point. So if they want to fire you... they'll just stop paying and dare the courts to try to enforce it.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

-W

This is my assumption. If they control the checks to Federal employees (and the politicians), and tax returns/SS/details of citizen identity, what's to stop them from just withholding payment to everything until everyone lets them do what they want?
First thought - A crowd of 100,000 armed octagenarians storming the whitehouse.

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #127 on: February 11, 2025, 02:23:40 PM »
The rule of law is dead, I think. I'm not very confident that a court decision would be obeyed by the Trump administration at this point. So if they want to fire you... they'll just stop paying and dare the courts to try to enforce it.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

-W

This is my assumption. If they control the checks to Federal employees (and the politicians), and tax returns/SS/details of citizen identity, what's to stop them from just withholding payment to everything until everyone lets them do what they want?
First thought - A crowd of 100,000 armed octagenarians storming the whitehouse.

But where would they park all those custom golfcarts? https://youtu.be/eF1jVIn8DxY

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Re: Federal Employees WFH? WTF?
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2025, 07:33:06 PM »
Can ALL Federal Employees strike at once? Wouldn't that put an end to this nonsense? Let Red State folks miss one SS Check and see what happens.

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It is illegal for federal employees to strike. That would get you terminated.