Election follow up poll

[Glenstache]

So, we are heading up on 2 months post election night, and almost 2 weeks post-inauguration. How do people feel about their votes now, and why? I am most interested in the reasons why people are happy or not happy with how they voted in hindsight.

To get the ball rolling: I voted for Clinton and I would again, especially given the shitshow that has unfolded after Jan 20th.

[NoStacheOhio]

Where's the option for "I wouldn't change my vote, but I'm deeply unsettled by the events of the past week and a half"

[Glenstache]

Where's the option for "I wouldn't change my vote, but I'm deeply unsettled by the events of the past week and a half"

Honestly, I thought about that, but the context of whom a person voted for changes the flavor of that so much that I didn't.

[MayDay]

I'm Clinton and happy. My H is third party and unhappy. Our state was swing, he was convinced it would go C, and it went T. He regrets not voting C. He is definitely in the entitled white privilege voting third party category. 

[jrhampt]

I find trump utterly contemptible for numerous reasons and can imagine no circumstances under which I ever would have voted for him unless maybe he was running against bannon.  I see no danger of me changing my mind now that he is actually president.  In fact I have participated in the only protests I ever have been a part of.  Almost made it 40 years without doing that.

[SuperMex]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.
 

[Khaetra]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump

Well, I won't attack you, but I will say I do disagree with how you see things.  The idea of the ban (and it is a ban, as Trump himself called it that) is a bad idea and put America in danger.  There has been not one person from those countries that have attacked us, but Saudi Arabia, which is where the 9/11 hijackers came from are not on that list.  But Trump has businesses there.  What would happen if another 9/11 event happened and the folks who carry it out came from SA?  Would it be okay because has businesses there and well, y'know, they aren't all like that over there? 

As far as protesting goes, I can only give you my personal view.  To me it's not that the R's won.  I have a big old R stamped on my voter card and you would think I'd be happy.  I'm not at all happy.  It's the guy who won that's the issue for me.  He said terrible things about women and minorities, mocked a disabled person and acts like a jilted 13 year-old on Twitter.  He has not the first idea how Gov't works and he has a Nazi as his right-hand man.  Could you imagine the backlash Obama would have gotten if he went on a 'Thank You' tour and tweeted how mean the press or SNL was to him?  For all of Obama's faults he was an eloquent speaker and and adult, traits the man in the WH does not have.  He has no business being there and if protesting peacefully and writing my Congress/Senator critters to let them know I am not happy with what happening is a good way to get my point across then I will do it.

[MasterStache]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.

I am not going to attack you're vote but will point out your straw-man fallacy. Do you know how long it takes currently for a Syrian refugee to enter the US? I'll tell you, nearly 2 years. If you want to understand why, here is a description of the vetting process:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/

Saying "we" want to let terrorist into the US is point black insulting and demeaning. The current vetting process is actually why the government had difficulty raising the cap on immigrants allowed into the US. Its worked very well. How many Syrians have infiltrated the US and killed a bunch of Americans? The answer is 0. Homegrown (ie. domestic) terrorist are far more likely.

Banning a large group of folks trying to escape torture, rape and murder, including women and children does nothing to make America safer, despite what you may think. Heck what happened in Canada a couple days ago? You are condemning innocent people to die all in the name of "border security."

I'm not saying folks there aren't hell bent on killing us. Heck we are killing them everyday from the skies. But that's why we have an extensive vetting process. No one is just let in. And no one is advocating this.

Here are some more stats to show your fears are largely unfounded
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/immigration-stats-by-the-numbers-trnd/

[radram]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.

Thank you for your post. You seem to be a person that believes in following the rules, but then is prepared to work to change them. What should happen to people who refuse to follow a legal court order? At a time when common ground will be most important, do you share the concern of others when people ignored the order to immediately suspend the deportation process while it clearly continued? What about AG Yates; same fate or different?

[golden1]

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

It sounds like you weren't invested in America enough to change it and were willing to give up on it.  I am willing to do something that has proven to work (non-violent protest) in order to change the country to something I feel proud to be a part of.  I know that is inflammatory, but I don't know how else to interpret this. 

[SuperMex]

I agree with both of you actually in almost everything you are saying I just don't see the solution the same. I am aware of how long and arduous the vetting process is I helped two Iraqi interpreters go through the process to get to the U.S.  The "ban" is for a short time to make sure the process is working and to see if we can make improvements to the process. It is the same thing Obama did for almost six months after two Iraqis who went through vetting were caught plotting an attack. I don't think Obama was wrong for that nor do I think Trump is wrong.

Your right Syria and many other countries are very dangerous and innocent people are dying there everyday. However, I don't see the solution as allowing all a mass migration of refuges to come to the U.S. I don't see why we have any obligation to help them at all. Unless Every American is safe, feed, housed, and has health care provided we shouldn't be helping others. I remember a time when I was in South Korea when my son came down with swine flu, I worked at the hospital and we didn't have any Tamiflu. In fact there was no Tamiflu on the economy either. Just a few weeks before that they shipped 500,000 doses to North Korea.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia/seasonal-flu-2009-2014-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-ab/north-korea/76852-north-korea-agrees-to-accept-medicine-from-south-korea-to-fight-swine-flu-outbreak

American tax dollars should help Americans first and only if we have extra should we be helping others. Since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt and have homeless veterans we obviously have no extra.

[deadlymonkey]

I agree with both of you actually in almost everything you are saying I just don't see the solution the same. I am aware of how long and arduous the vetting process is I helped two Iraqi interpreters go through the process to get to the U.S.  The "ban" is for a short time to make sure the process is working and to see if we can make improvements to the process. It is the same thing Obama did for almost six months after two Iraqis who went through vetting were caught plotting an attack. I don't think Obama was wrong for that nor do I think Trump is wrong.

Your right Syria and many other countries are very dangerous and innocent people are dying there everyday. However, I don't see the solution as allowing all a mass migration of refuges to come to the U.S. I don't see why we have any obligation to help them at all. Unless Every American is safe, feed, housed, and has health care provided we shouldn't be helping others. I remember a time when I was in South Korea when my son came down with swine flu, I worked at the hospital and we didn't have any Tamiflu. In fact there was no Tamiflu on the economy either. Just a few weeks before that they shipped 500,000 doses to North Korea.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia/seasonal-flu-2009-2014-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-ab/north-korea/76852-north-korea-agrees-to-accept-medicine-from-south-korea-to-fight-swine-flu-outbreak

American tax dollars should help Americans first and only if we have extra should we be helping others. Since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt and have homeless veterans we obviously have no extra.

First, Obama never banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months.  They changed the vetting process (after consulting with State, the military, Homesland security etc...) and instituted tougher procedures. During those 6 months, the number of refugees decreased but never stopped, there was never a ban.

Second, flag on the play for Strawman argument about South Korea.  This is not South Korea, there Tamiflu procedures have no bearing on the discussion.

Third, there have always been homeless vets (and non vets), there will always be homeless vets (and non vets).  The fact is there are a number of very effective programs to help them, and perhaps you should look to the party that likes to cut funding for those programs and all programs that help the disadvantaged.  Staking out you position is akin to me saying that we should not offer any tax cuts until we no longer have a national debt, or dince you are concerned about not having extra money...we should raise taxes until there are no homeless vets.

[mtn]

I polled 3rd party and happy about it, but I almost feel like this needs another qualifier: I live in a state that was so far Clinton it didn't matter what I did. If I lived in a contested state I would have voted Clinton, no doubt.

[farmecologist]

Very interesting poll results.  I frankly didn't expect that.

[SuperMex]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.

Thank you for your post. You seem to be a person that believes in following the rules, but then is prepared to work to change them. What should happen to people who refuse to follow a legal court order? At a time when common ground will be most important, do you share the concern of others when people ignored the order to immediately suspend the deportation process while it clearly continued? What about AG Yates; same fate or different?

Failing to follow a legal court order in my opinion is a crime. Again even though they may haven't agreed if they accepted it to be legal they had to do it. But if they thought it wasn't a lawful order they had an obligation to say so to their superiors and seek a legal opinion. As soon as they were told by competent legal authority that is was legal they had an obligation to execute the order. In the case of AG Yates she was a public servant so she had the option to say I don't feel comfortable following this order and I therefore resign effective immediately. The part where she really messed up and could easily be prosecuted is when she committed sedition by encouraging others to not follow a lawful order.

[SuperMex]

I agree with both of you actually in almost everything you are saying I just don't see the solution the same. I am aware of how long and arduous the vetting process is I helped two Iraqi interpreters go through the process to get to the U.S.  The "ban" is for a short time to make sure the process is working and to see if we can make improvements to the process. It is the same thing Obama did for almost six months after two Iraqis who went through vetting were caught plotting an attack. I don't think Obama was wrong for that nor do I think Trump is wrong.

Your right Syria and many other countries are very dangerous and innocent people are dying there everyday. However, I don't see the solution as allowing all a mass migration of refuges to come to the U.S. I don't see why we have any obligation to help them at all. Unless Every American is safe, feed, housed, and has health care provided we shouldn't be helping others. I remember a time when I was in South Korea when my son came down with swine flu, I worked at the hospital and we didn't have any Tamiflu. In fact there was no Tamiflu on the economy either. Just a few weeks before that they shipped 500,000 doses to North Korea.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia/seasonal-flu-2009-2014-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-ab/north-korea/76852-north-korea-agrees-to-accept-medicine-from-south-korea-to-fight-swine-flu-outbreak

American tax dollars should help Americans first and only if we have extra should we be helping others. Since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt and have homeless veterans we obviously have no extra.

First, Obama never banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months.  They changed the vetting process (after consulting with State, the military, Homesland security etc...) and instituted tougher procedures. During those 6 months, the number of refugees decreased but never stopped, there was never a ban.

Second, flag on the play for Strawman argument about South Korea.  This is not South Korea, there Tamiflu procedures have no bearing on the discussion.

Third, there have always been homeless vets (and non vets), there will always be homeless vets (and non vets).  The fact is there are a number of very effective programs to help them, and perhaps you should look to the party that likes to cut funding for those programs and all programs that help the disadvantaged.  Staking out you position is akin to me saying that we should not offer any tax cuts until we no longer have a national debt, or dince you are concerned about not having extra money...we should raise taxes until there are no homeless vets.

We gave the Tamiflu to South Korea so they could give it to North Korea so it does have some validity.

As far as taxes I believe we should have a flat VAT tax of about 10% that goes directly to paying down the debt along with a law making it illegal to run a deficit unless we are in a state of national emergency confirmed by a 2/3rd vote of the house and senate.

[Cookie78]

I didn't vote in your election, but I'd like to see the results of your poll. Can you add a didn't/couldn't vote option?

[acroy]

Trump and very happy about it. 4th Estate hysterics. Identity politics backfiring.  Swamp being drained. Haven't been this entertained in years, and he's just warming up the 'You're Fired!' gun.

[Sailor Sam]

I voted for Clinton. I was never happy about it, but I don't regret it either.

[Nick_Miller]

I voted Clinton, and I'm happy about it.

That being said, I wasn't thrilled with Clinton. I did not like her, and I did not trust her. I loved Bernie. He was my guy. In my 25 years as an adult, I had NEVER given money to ANY political campaign. I donated to Bernie's campaign numerous times (small amounts).

That being said (again!), when it came down to Trump versus Clinton, I didn't feel I had a choice. She was at least an adult and very knowledgeable about a wide variety of issues.

I truly think Trump is mentally unstable, or at the very least, does not have the temperment to be president. He doesn't have restraint or diplomacy or any nuance at all. I disagree with Pence on ALMOST EVERYTHING but I would still sleep far better with Pence driving the car.

I did not protest yet (although many of my friends did!)  I am waiting for his inevitable moves against the LGBT community and his moves in favor of Christians being able to discriminate against others. Oh I'll be out there protesting then, either with my body or my $ or both. The ACLU is going to have a banner fund-raising year.

[jrhampt]

Just a reminder that what some people like to dismiss as "identity politics ", others call "civil rights".

[Cwadda]

3rd party (Johnson) and I'm happy about it. The two party system we have is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Also, these parties are corrupt.

My state is almost completely blue, so voting Republican or Democrat does not matter. However, if a 3rd party receives 5% of the popular vote, they are eligible for general election funding. I think this goes a lot further than voting in a state where my vote is negligible.

If I lived in a swing state however, I'd feel very conflicted. I'm not sure what my vote would've been.

[MasterStache]

I voted Clinton, and I'm happy about it.

That being said, I wasn't thrilled with Clinton. I did not like her, and I did not trust her. I loved Bernie. He was my guy. In my 25 years as an adult, I had NEVER given money to ANY political campaign. I donated to Bernie's campaign numerous times (small amounts).

That being said (again!), when it came down to Trump versus Clinton, I didn't feel I had a choice. She was at least an adult and very knowledgeable about a wide variety of issues.

I truly think Trump is mentally unstable, or at the very least, does not have the temperment to be president. He doesn't have restraint or diplomacy or any nuance at all. I disagree with Pence on ALMOST EVERYTHING but I would still sleep far better with Pence driving the car.

I did not protest yet (although many of my friends did!)  I am waiting for his inevitable moves against the LGBT community and his moves in favor of Christians being able to discriminate against others. Oh I'll be out there protesting then, either with my body or my $ or both. The ACLU is going to have a banner fund-raising year.

They collected 6 times as much money online this past weekend than the entirety of last year. Over 350,000 were from folks who never donated to them before. Pretty friggin awesome. Trump is certainly bringing folks together. Just not in the way he intended.

[golden1]

Voted for Clinton, glad I didn't vote for Trump because then I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror in the AM.  I am also glad that I can look my kids in the eye every day.  I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.   

[Gin1984]

Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.

Thank you for your post. You seem to be a person that believes in following the rules, but then is prepared to work to change them. What should happen to people who refuse to follow a legal court order? At a time when common ground will be most important, do you share the concern of others when people ignored the order to immediately suspend the deportation process while it clearly continued? What about AG Yates; same fate or different?

Failing to follow a legal court order in my opinion is a crime. Again even though they may haven't agreed if they accepted it to be legal they had to do it. But if they thought it wasn't a lawful order they had an obligation to say so to their superiors and seek a legal opinion. As soon as they were told by competent legal authority that is was legal they had an obligation to execute the order. In the case of AG Yates she was a public servant so she had the option to say I don't feel comfortable following this order and I therefore resign effective immediately. The part where she really messed up and could easily be prosecuted is when she committed sedition by encouraging others to not follow a lawful order.

No, her responsibility as AG is to say no to president if his order is illegal.  You do not have to resign to say no.  Also, the court had already stayed the EO because of the potential illegalness of it so to say it was a legal order is not true.

[Chris22]

I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.

Frankly, I'm seeing a ton of bullying done by the opposition to Trump these days too.  Shouting people down, boycotts and protests over everything (boycott LL Bean because 1 of the 50 family members contributed to Trump??), etc etc etc.  There's become a "socially acceptable" stance on Trump and his politics and if you cross it, prepare to be bullied and shamed.


I voted 3rd party and I'm happy with that.  I still think out of any random 100 people, Trump was the 2nd least worthy of being President and Hillary is the least.

[Sockigal]

I voted Clinton, and I'm happy about it.

That being said, I wasn't thrilled with Clinton. I did not like her, and I did not trust her. I loved Bernie. He was my guy. In my 25 years as an adult, I had NEVER given money to ANY political campaign. I donated to Bernie's campaign numerous times (small amounts).

That being said (again!), when it came down to Trump versus Clinton, I didn't feel I had a choice. She was at least an adult and very knowledgeable about a wide variety of issues.

I truly think Trump is mentally unstable, or at the very least, does not have the temperment to be president. He doesn't have restraint or diplomacy or any nuance at all. I disagree with Pence on ALMOST EVERYTHING but I would still sleep far better with Pence driving the car.

I did not protest yet (although many of my friends did!)  I am waiting for his inevitable moves against the LGBT community and his moves in favor of Christians being able to discriminate against others. Oh I'll be out there protesting then, either with my body or my $ or both. The ACLU is going to have a banner fund-raising year.

I have identical views. I settled for Clinton, even though I loved Bernie's ideology and energy! I do believe, like Bernie that very few people have too much money & power in government which has led to a rapid decline in the middle class. The gap is getting wider and wider, while we fight about hot button issues like abortion, transgender rights, immigration, the war against Christmas, taking away guns, climate change and LGBTQ rights. I hate that the GOP constantly uses these issues to stir emotions to receive votes based on fear. And Fox sensationalizes or just makes up almost anything they want. We are busy fighting over these issues where very little compromise can exist anyway. Yes I have views on all those issues and they are really important topics, but while we are busy looking at the fireworks over the White House congress is using this time to introduce all kinds of bills that most American's don't agree with:

H.R. 193 American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017: Withdraws the US from the United Nations.

H.R. 586 Sanctity of Human Life Act:   each human life begins with fertilization, cloning, or its equivalent, at which time every human has all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (3) Congress, each state, the District of Columbia, and each U.S. territory have the authority to protect all human lives.

H.R. 621:  The Secretary of the Interior to sell Federal Lands in Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming.

H.R. 7: No taxpayer  funding for abortion and insurance companies who do business with the federal government cannot fund abortions (which is just about every insurance company that exists).

H.R. 2802: Prohibits the federal government from taking discriminatory action against a person on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman and sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage. (There goes protections for the LGBTQ community. Lets people and businesses discriminate or not serve due to sexual orientation)

On top of these bills they are introducing lots of bills that dismantle environmental protections, one even dissolving  law enforcement functions of the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management. Looks like the EPA is getting dismantled also in a new bill to be introduced soon.

I'm just so sad thinking about the world that the current congress is carving out for our country right now. I feel for Federal workers whom have spent their careers dedicated to the service of others. I feel for our environment. I remember what it was like growing up in Southern California before any smog regulations. It wasn't that different from China cities during the summer. I remember burning eyes and lungs. I feel for our LGBTQ community.

[Kris]

I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.

Frankly, I'm seeing a ton of bullying done by the opposition to Trump these days too.  Shouting people down, boycotts and protests over everything (boycott LL Bean because 1 of the 50 family members contributed to Trump??), etc etc etc.  There's become a "socially acceptable" stance on Trump and his politics and if you cross it, prepare to be bullied and shamed.


I voted 3rd party and I'm happy with that.  I still think out of any random 100 people, Trump was the 2nd least worthy of being President and Hillary is the least.

Good lord, is anyone else a freaking SICK of the "tu quoque" logical fallacy as I am?

[MasterStache]

I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.

Frankly, I'm seeing a ton of bullying done by the opposition to Trump these days too.  Shouting people down, boycotts and protests over everything (boycott LL Bean because 1 of the 50 family members contributed to Trump??), etc etc etc.  There's become a "socially acceptable" stance on Trump and his politics and if you cross it, prepare to be bullied and shamed.


I voted 3rd party and I'm happy with that.  I still think out of any random 100 people, Trump was the 2nd least worthy of being President and Hillary is the least.

Good lord, is anyone else a freaking SICK of the "tu quoque" logical fallacy as I am?

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

[Nick_Miller]

I voted Clinton, and I'm happy about it.

That being said, I wasn't thrilled with Clinton. I did not like her, and I did not trust her. I loved Bernie. He was my guy. In my 25 years as an adult, I had NEVER given money to ANY political campaign. I donated to Bernie's campaign numerous times (small amounts).

That being said (again!), when it came down to Trump versus Clinton, I didn't feel I had a choice. She was at least an adult and very knowledgeable about a wide variety of issues.

I truly think Trump is mentally unstable, or at the very least, does not have the temperment to be president. He doesn't have restraint or diplomacy or any nuance at all. I disagree with Pence on ALMOST EVERYTHING but I would still sleep far better with Pence driving the car.

I did not protest yet (although many of my friends did!)  I am waiting for his inevitable moves against the LGBT community and his moves in favor of Christians being able to discriminate against others. Oh I'll be out there protesting then, either with my body or my $ or both. The ACLU is going to have a banner fund-raising year.

I have identical views. I settled for Clinton, even though I loved Bernie's ideology and energy! I do believe, like Bernie that very few people have too much money & power in government which has led to a rapid decline in the middle class. The gap is getting wider and wider, while we fight about hot button issues like abortion, transgender rights, immigration, the war against Christmas, taking away guns, climate change and LGBTQ rights. I hate that the GOP constantly uses these issues to stir emotions to receive votes based on fear. And Fox sensationalizes or just makes up almost anything they want. We are busy fighting over these issues where very little compromise can exist anyway. Yes I have views on all those issues and they are really important topics, but while we are busy looking at the fireworks over the White House congress is using this time to introduce all kinds of bills that most American's don't agree with:

H.R. 193 American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017: Withdraws the US from the United Nations.

H.R. 586 Sanctity of Human Life Act:   each human life begins with fertilization, cloning, or its equivalent, at which time every human has all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (3) Congress, each state, the District of Columbia, and each U.S. territory have the authority to protect all human lives.

H.R. 621:  The Secretary of the Interior to sell Federal Lands in Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming.

H.R. 7: No taxpayer  funding for abortion and insurance companies who do business with the federal government cannot fund abortions (which is just about every insurance company that exists).

H.R. 2802: Prohibits the federal government from taking discriminatory action against a person on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman and sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage. (There goes protections for the LGBTQ community. Lets people and businesses discriminate or not serve due to sexual orientation)

On top of these bills they are introducing lots of bills that dismantle environmental protections, one even dissolving  law enforcement functions of the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management. Looks like the EPA is getting dismantled also in a new bill to be introduced soon.

I'm just so sad thinking about the world that the current congress is carving out for our country right now. I feel for Federal workers whom have spent their careers dedicated to the service of others. I feel for our environment. I remember what it was like growing up in Southern California before any smog regulations. It wasn't that different from China cities during the summer. I remember burning eyes and lungs. I feel for our LGBTQ community.

Let's be friends!

[farmecologist]

3rd party (Johnson) and I'm happy about it. The two party system we have is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Also, these parties are corrupt.

My state is almost completely blue, so voting Republican or Democrat does not matter. However, if a 3rd party receives 5% of the popular vote, they are eligible for general election funding. I think this goes a lot further than voting in a state where my vote is negligible.

If I lived in a swing state however, I'd feel very conflicted. I'm not sure what my vote would've been.

I'm glad you at least voted..but I hope you do know that a 3rd party vote in our system is pretty much a 'non vote'.  It's sad but true.

What really irritates me are the folks who didn't vote at all 'out of protest' of one thing or another.  Especially the Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary.  Frankly, you have to be a realist.

Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

[Nick_Miller]

3rd party (Johnson) and I'm happy about it. The two party system we have is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Also, these parties are corrupt.

My state is almost completely blue, so voting Republican or Democrat does not matter. However, if a 3rd party receives 5% of the popular vote, they are eligible for general election funding. I think this goes a lot further than voting in a state where my vote is negligible.

If I lived in a swing state however, I'd feel very conflicted. I'm not sure what my vote would've been.

I'm glad you at least voted..but I hope you do know that a 3rd party vote in our system is pretty much a 'non vote'.  It's sad but true.

What really irritates me are the folks who didn't vote at all 'out of protest' of one thing or another.  Especially the Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary.  Frankly, you have to be a realist.

Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

Yes it was a freakin' terrible choice! Or "tarable" as Sir Charles Barkley would say. He added nothing! "Okay Hil, let's add a snarky middle-aged white guy career politician with no name recognition! That will really shore up our base!"

I agree that having Bernie on board as VP would have brought some energy over from his campaign, although some of his supporters would have objected to it. But her ego (i guess), or maybe his, wouldn't allow for it.

[SuperMex]

I have identical views. I settled for Clinton, even though I loved Bernie's ideology and energy! I do believe, like Bernie that very few people have too much money & power in government which has led to a rapid decline in the middle class. The gap is getting wider and wider, while we fight about hot button issues like abortion, transgender rights, immigration, the war against Christmas, taking away guns, climate change and LGBTQ rights. I hate that the GOP constantly uses these issues to stir emotions to receive votes based on fear. And Fox sensationalizes or just makes up almost anything they want. We are busy fighting over these issues where very little compromise can exist anyway. Yes I have views on all those issues and they are really important topics, but while we are busy looking at the fireworks over the White House congress is using this time to introduce all kinds of bills that most American's don't agree with:

H.R. 193 American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017: Withdraws the US from the United Nations.

H.R. 586 Sanctity of Human Life Act:   each human life begins with fertilization, cloning, or its equivalent, at which time every human has all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (3) Congress, each state, the District of Columbia, and each U.S. territory have the authority to protect all human lives.

H.R. 621:  The Secretary of the Interior to sell Federal Lands in Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming.

H.R. 7: No taxpayer  funding for abortion and insurance companies who do business with the federal government cannot fund abortions (which is just about every insurance company that exists).

H.R. 2802: Prohibits the federal government from taking discriminatory action against a person on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman and sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage. (There goes protections for the LGBTQ community. Lets people and businesses discriminate or not serve due to sexual orientation)

On top of these bills they are introducing lots of bills that dismantle environmental protections, one even dissolving  law enforcement functions of the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management. Looks like the EPA is getting dismantled also in a new bill to be introduced soon.

I'm just so sad thinking about the world that the current congress is carving out for our country right now. I feel for Federal workers whom have spent their careers dedicated to the service of others. I feel for our environment. I remember what it was like growing up in Southern California before any smog regulations. It wasn't that different from China cities during the summer. I remember burning eyes and lungs. I feel for our LGBTQ community.
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I read the bills the only one that is alarming to me is: H.R. 193 American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017

I think it is a bluff for negotiating purposes as it is the only thing that makes sense.

The other ones are really common sense in my opinion. H.R. 621:  The Secretary of the Interior to sell Federal Lands in Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming

This bill actually says we should sell land that was identified to be sold in 1997 it goes on to say any land that is used by the public, wanted by Indian tribes, and a couple other things is exempt. What I really like is it says all proceeds will go directly to paying down the national debt.

[radram]

As far as taxes I believe we should have a flat VAT tax of about 10% that goes directly to paying down the debt along with a law making it illegal to run a deficit unless we are in a state of national emergency confirmed by a 2/3rd vote of the house and senate.

Please correct me if I am wrong. You are saying to treat future spending and past debt as different actions.

As for debt, a flat tax that pays off the debt after some amount of time, say 20 years just to throw out a number. For future spending, essentially a balanced budget amendment with the payment of the past debt being handled by the flat tax that pays the debt.

Overall flat tax proposals for both combined show deficits beyond 10 years from now. The real rate would most likely need to be around 20%, with the poor paying 7-10 times more than they are now.

[SuperMex]

As far as taxes I believe we should have a flat VAT tax of about 10% that goes directly to paying down the debt along with a law making it illegal to run a deficit unless we are in a state of national emergency confirmed by a 2/3rd vote of the house and senate.

Please correct me if I am wrong. You are saying to treat future spending and past debt as different actions.

As for debt, a flat tax that pays off the debt after some amount of time, say 20 years just to throw out a number. For future spending, essentially a balanced budget amendment with the payment of the past debt being handled by the flat tax that pays the debt.

Overall flat tax proposals for both combined show deficits beyond 10 years from now. The real rate would most likely need to be around 20%, with the poor paying 7-10 times more than they are now.

Here in Germany they have normal income tax and then they have a 19% VAT tax as well.

What I like about the VAT tax is it taxes all money including dirty money. It also rewards saving and you can increase or decrease VAT on different items to reward or discourage certain behavior.

In the U.S. only honest people pay any meaningful tax. As an example let's say I am a local small town bookie, drug dealer, fence, escort service manager etc; I pay zero federal tax. In a flat tax situation anytime this dirty money is spent it is taxed.

When you are spending more than you make the first step is to stop doing that. Therefore the balanced budget amendment I recommend should be step one.

Step two is pay your debt down. That is where the VAT would come in it should be written in such a way that as soon as our debt is paid off the VAT will end.

I do think everyone should pay something with our current system 47% pay nothing or actually negative taxes (they get earned income credit).

If you spend a billion a year good for you Mr. Gates now pony up 100 million for the national debt. If you spend 10K then you pay 1K thanks for participating.

[farmecologist]

The other ones are really common sense in my opinion. H.R. 621:  The Secretary of the Interior to sell Federal Lands in Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming

This bill actually says we should sell land that was identified to be sold in 1997 it goes on to say any land that is used by the public, wanted by Indian tribes, and a couple other things is exempt. What I really like is it says all proceeds will go directly to paying down the national debt.

I just did a quick search on H.R. 621 and found this :

https://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?273527-Selling-Public-LandHR-621-and-622-Do-We-All-Agree-that-Jason-Chaffetz-is-a-Coward

Some very interesting discussion from sportsmen (hunters) regarding this proposal.  Lets just say they are not in favor of it.  And these are some very, very conservative people.  A lot of the discussion involves what 'use by the public' means and who gets to make that decision. 

And here is an article that list some of the lands up for 'disposal' :

http://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/articles/public-land-for-sale-here-are-some-of-the-33-million-acres-being-eyed-for-disposal-w463372

Sure looks like they have a public use to me!  This bill is a blatant land grab....

[Chris22]

and you can increase or decrease VAT on different items to reward or discourage certain behavior.

Exactly a reason I DON'T like a VAT.  I don't need the government "rewarding or discouraging" any more than they already do.  We need less gov't meddling, not more.

[Malloy]

I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.

Frankly, I'm seeing a ton of bullying done by the opposition to Trump these days too.  Shouting people down, boycotts and protests over everything (boycott LL Bean because 1 of the 50 family members contributed to Trump??), etc etc etc.  There's become a "socially acceptable" stance on Trump and his politics and if you cross it, prepare to be bullied and shamed.


I voted 3rd party and I'm happy with that.  I still think out of any random 100 people, Trump was the 2nd least worthy of being President and Hillary is the least.

Good lord, is anyone else a freaking SICK of the "tu quoque" logical fallacy as I am?

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Right.

Making fun of someone for how they are born (skin color, medical condition) is vastly different than criticizing the acting leader of a political party on the basis of his actions.  As for his supporters, I agree that they face a great deal of social condemnation for choices they themselves made of their own free will.  Perhaps (certainly) I could be a better person, but I just can't quite muster as much sympathy as I no doubt should.

[radram]

As far as taxes I believe we should have a flat VAT tax of about 10% that goes directly to paying down the debt along with a law making it illegal to run a deficit unless we are in a state of national emergency confirmed by a 2/3rd vote of the house and senate.

Please correct me if I am wrong. You are saying to treat future spending and past debt as different actions.

As for debt, a flat tax that pays off the debt after some amount of time, say 20 years just to throw out a number. For future spending, essentially a balanced budget amendment with the payment of the past debt being handled by the flat tax that pays the debt.

Overall flat tax proposals for both combined show deficits beyond 10 years from now. The real rate would most likely need to be around 20%, with the poor paying 7-10 times more than they are now.

Here in Germany they have normal income tax and then they have a 19% VAT tax as well.

What I like about the VAT tax is it taxes all money including dirty money. It also rewards saving and you can increase or decrease VAT on different items to reward or discourage certain behavior.

In the U.S. only honest people pay any meaningful tax. As an example let's say I am a local small town bookie, drug dealer, fence, escort service manager etc; I pay zero federal tax. In a flat tax situation anytime this dirty money is spent it is taxed.

When you are spending more than you make the first step is to stop doing that. Therefore the balanced budget amendment I recommend should be step one.

Step two is pay your debt down. That is where the VAT would come in it should be written in such a way that as soon as our debt is paid off the VAT will end.

I do think everyone should pay something with our current system 47% pay nothing or actually negative taxes (they get earned income credit).

If you spend a billion a year good for you Mr. Gates now pony up 100 million for the national debt. If you spend 10K then you pay 1K thanks for participating.

I see. I have heard of a VAT. I think I understand that better now. Won't this system encourage bartering again to avoid the tax. I want the craigslist ads all to myself :)

I understand the idea of spending less than you collect. There has not been a single proposal on either side that proposes to do that in the next 10 years. The most resent proposals never have a plan to get there at all.

The more things change....

[Cranberries]

I didn't vote in your election, but I'd like to see the results of your poll. Can you add a didn't/couldn't vote option?

Currently the results stand as:

6 (5.9%) Trump and happy
77 (76.2%) Clinton and happy
16 (15.8%) 3rd party and happy
2 (2%) 3rd party and unhappy
All other options are 0

I find myself wondering about the swing state vs non swing state status of the 3rd party votes in particular. I voted Clinton and am very happy with the decision, but could have voted 3rd party with no risk of affecting the election results.

[golden1]

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all. 

[SuperMex]

and you can increase or decrease VAT on different items to reward or discourage certain behavior.

Exactly a reason I DON'T like a VAT.  I don't need the government "rewarding or discouraging" any more than they already do.  We need less gov't meddling, not more.

I agree with you on that what I was pointing out is that a VAT makes it very easy to reward or punish certain behavior if you want to. I am only in favor of a VAT for a limited time to pay down the debt and nothing else.

[Gin1984]

3rd party (Johnson) and I'm happy about it. The two party system we have is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Also, these parties are corrupt.

My state is almost completely blue, so voting Republican or Democrat does not matter. However, if a 3rd party receives 5% of the popular vote, they are eligible for general election funding. I think this goes a lot further than voting in a state where my vote is negligible.

If I lived in a swing state however, I'd feel very conflicted. I'm not sure what my vote would've been.

I'm glad you at least voted..but I hope you do know that a 3rd party vote in our system is pretty much a 'non vote'.  It's sad but true.

What really irritates me are the folks who didn't vote at all 'out of protest' of one thing or another.  Especially the Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary.  Frankly, you have to be a realist.

Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

Yes it was a freakin' terrible choice! Or "tarable" as Sir Charles Barkley would say. He added nothing! "Okay Hil, let's add a snarky middle-aged white guy career politician with no name recognition! That will really shore up our base!"

I agree that having Bernie on board as VP would have brought some energy over from his campaign, although some of his supporters would have objected to it. But her ego (i guess), or maybe his, wouldn't allow for it.

They were trying to get an equivalent to Biden for Clinton.  Part of why Obama won was that Biden could call Ryan on his lies in a way Obama could not. 

[Unique User]

I didn't vote in your election, but I'd like to see the results of your poll. Can you add a didn't/couldn't vote option?

Currently the results stand as:

6 (5.9%) Trump and happy
77 (76.2%) Clinton and happy
16 (15.8%) 3rd party and happy
2 (2%) 3rd party and unhappy
All other options are 0

I find myself wondering about the swing state vs non swing state status of the 3rd party votes in particular. I voted Clinton and am very happy with the decision, but could have voted 3rd party with no risk of affecting the election results.

I wondered about that also.  How many 3rd party voters in swing states like NC, PA, etc regret their votes?  I don't think I would regret it if I voted 3rd party and lived in a safe blue state. 

[Cookie78]

I didn't vote in your election, but I'd like to see the results of your poll. Can you add a didn't/couldn't vote option?

Currently the results stand as:

6 (5.9%) Trump and happy
77 (76.2%) Clinton and happy
16 (15.8%) 3rd party and happy
2 (2%) 3rd party and unhappy
All other options are 0

I find myself wondering about the swing state vs non swing state status of the 3rd party votes in particular. I voted Clinton and am very happy with the decision, but could have voted 3rd party with no risk of affecting the election results.

Thank you!

[Chris22]

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.

[Daisy]

I voted 3rd party in a swing state and am happy with my vote.

I'm an anti war libertarian leaning person, so that totally ruled out Clinton for me. I did not want to vote for Trump.

I wanted one of the 3rd party candidates to reach 5%. I lean libertarian and also thought they had a greater chance to hit 5%, so voted for Johnson. Surprisingly I was impressed with Stein's anti war talk and almost voted for her.

I have mentioned my vote to others and some say they wish they would have done what I did to get one of the 3rd parties to 5%, and they regret their vote. I was sure this was a perfect election for a 3rd party to get to 5%, and the pre election polling showed it was possible, but alas most people voted out of fear. I also know many left the presidential pick blank and I wish they would have voted 3rd party instead.

[Gin1984]

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.

So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

[Chris22]

Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.

So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.

[Proud Foot]

Add another one to "Voted for Clinton and happy about it".  Didn't really want to vote for her but felt I had no other choice given the options.  Being a registered Republican and after watching the primary I knew I could not in good conscience vote for Trump.  I could have (and probably should have) voted third party as my state is a solid red state with no hope of changing but after the start of the general election I was turned off by all the campaigning so did not really even research any of the third party candidates.