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How much caffeine do you consume daily?

500+ mg (multiple cups of coffee, chocolate and energy drinks)
22 (20.8%)
300mg (about 2 16 oz energy drinks depending on brand)
24 (22.6%)
150mg (average size coffee)
29 (27.4%)
50mg or less (small glass of tea)
31 (29.2%)

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Caffeine addiction
« on: May 08, 2017, 04:35:30 PM »
Whats up MMM Family!
 
 This is my very first post and its going to be about something 90% of Americans consume daily.

 I've recently had an epiphany that involves caffeine. I wanted to get some feedback and see if anyone has experienced some of the things that i have been through with this drug (yes, DRUG)

One day a few months back i had a lightbulb moment. I was researching things about loss of motivation, Anxiety, bad mood, low energy etc. I came across an article/studies about caffeine. IT ALL MADE SENSE.

For 3 years now i have been taking pre-workout supplements and consuming drinks like coffee that contain lots of caffeine pretty much daily. As i look back and see where my social anxiety and depression symptoms started occurring it was when i began to consume caffeine in high doses. I strongly encourage you guys to do your research on what caffeine does to your central nervous system overtime. Caffeine puts your body in a fight/flight stage releasing cortisol and adrenaline. This should only happen when we're in danger.

Its now been a few months and i can't tell you how much research I've done on the subject. I've tried to quit several times but can't make it past the headaches/withdrawal symptoms. I think I've made it almost 7 days before giving in.
The hardest part about this whole process is being self employed and losing motivation. I have to run my business and if i don't consume caffeine i literally want to do nothing but sleep all day.

Waking up to this has been insane. Realizing that people aren't lined up at starbucks for the antioxidants coffee contains but for the caffeine. haha

Was wondering if anyone here has gone through anything similar and has successfully given up caffeine? I know i sound like an addict but its the truth. I'm addicted to caffeine :/



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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 05:40:53 PM »
Absolutely true. I've given up caffeine several times over the years. The longest it stuck was from the day I found out I was pregnant with my first child until the day after my second cook was born. Just under 3 years. I quit for about 7 months last year. The first 2 weeks are the hardest. Have a supply of painkillers ready to combat the headaches. I found the best was alternating paracetamol and ibuprofen every 4 hours so they wouldn't wear off. If they wrote of I suffered a killer headache for a couple hours before it kicked back in. I want to quit again but dreading the headaches.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 06:04:35 PM »
I've never noticed any effects from caffeine, whether drinking Diet Coke all day (6-8 cans at times) or drinking nothing but water for a few months straight. I've never been a coffee drinker, and only drink tea when I go to Ireland.

I can drink Diet Coke right before bedtime and sleep soundly. Whether I drink caffeinated drinks or not seems to have no effect on me - no headaches, no cravings etc. I should donate my body to science :)

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 06:37:01 PM »
I've never noticed any effects from caffeine, whether drinking Diet Coke all day (6-8 cans at times) or drinking nothing but water for a few months straight. I've never been a coffee drinker, and only drink tea when I go to Ireland.

I can drink Diet Coke right before bedtime and sleep soundly. Whether I drink caffeinated drinks or not seems to have no effect on me - no headaches, no cravings etc. I should donate my body to science :)

You're lucky haha We all Metabolize caffeine differently according to genetics. There are actually 3 stages/types. Some people can take more than 500mg and barely feel the effects where some can consume tea and get jitters and anxiety.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 07:00:49 PM »
Don't quit cold turkey. Taper down gradually over several months and you'll never have a headache. It worked for me.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 04:03:03 AM »
I'm very sensitive to caffeine, so at most I'd have a half caf coffee once a week, and now I pretty much have no caffeine at all. I do have some caffeine if I get a pre-period headache as that's the only thing that seems to work.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 07:37:09 AM »
At the beginning of the year I learned that my dad had been diagnosed years ago with something called POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, sounds somewhat scary if you read up on it but in my family it's fairly mild) when he was trying to figure out why he got dizzy spells and occasionally passed out. Since the symptoms are a family trait I read up on POTS and saw that caffeine can exacerbate it. Thinking back the timing seemed to work out that my dizzy spells went away when I gave up soda a few years ago but came back when I started drinking caffeinated water mixes. So at the beginning of the year I chopped my caffeine intake in half (from four 120mg drinks a day to two).

Then recently I had three episodes over a few weeks where I had high anxiety/mild depression that happened on days where I drank my old levels of caffeine. I did some googling and saw that there can be a correlation between caffeine and anxiety/depression. Now did the caffeine cause my bad days, or was I having a bad day that caused me to say "fuck it" and drink more caffeine? I honestly don't know but I figured there's no point in risking it and I immediately chopped my intake in half again (down to one 120mg drink a day). That was about 2 weeks ago and in another few weeks I'll cut it out completely.

Taking this step down approach has been surprisingly easy, but probably made much easier by the fact that I've had two medical issues potentially linked to caffeine. I did make sure I had ibuprofen and Excedrin handy for the first week of each step down but the withdrawal headaches were pretty minor

Potential bonus to cutting it out: my older sister swears that when she gave up caffeine her skin cleared up

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 09:46:44 AM »
This is interesting that this subject comes up now.

I am a total caffeine addict, and until recently, I drank a large mug of coffee every morning (probably 2 cups), then some tea mid morning.  Most afternoons I drank a medium iced coffee and occasionally another one at 4pm (but usually on fridays).  I just recently changed jobs and due to being busy learning stuff and spending more time on the production floor, I find that I have halved my caffeine intake, and despite the anxiety of starting a new job, my general anxiety level is WAY down.  I also just made the connection as to why I was getting screaming headaches mid afternoon all last week, but they have faded now. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2017, 10:19:49 AM »
Then recently I had three episodes over a few weeks where I had high anxiety/mild depression that happened on days where I drank my old levels of caffeine. I did some googling and saw that there can be a correlation between caffeine and anxiety/depression. Now did the caffeine cause my bad days, or was I having a bad day that caused me to say "fuck it" and drink more caffeine? I honestly don't know but I figured there's no point in risking it and I immediately chopped my intake in half again (down to one 120mg drink a day). That was about 2 weeks ago and in another few weeks I'll cut it out completely.

It'll help.

In my teens and very early 20's I drank coffee regularly. Loved the buzz. Could hang out in coffee shops until 9pm and still sleep well. Then around 23/24 years old I started having serious anxiety issues related to leaving college without any plan or career prospects or philosophy of life. I talked to a doctor about the constant worry, the electric "zings" I occasionally felt through my chest and the GI distress and his first question was "how much caffeine do you drink?". Gave up caffeine and suddenly all that got significantly better. Kind of dumb of me not to put that together on my own, that regularly flogging your adrenal system with caffeine might lead to a perpetual fight or flight reaction.

I like to say my body decided for me to give up caffeine. I still regard coffee as "liquid worry" but have slipped a little green tea back into my morning routine, after maybe 7-8 years of avoiding caffeine entirely.

It is also nice to not need a jump start every morning. Now when I really need help (running on a couple hours sleep or less) a small cup of coffee or black tea is magic.

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 11:24:11 AM »
I had a very stressful work period where I was drinking several cups of coffee a day.  I got a hand tremor from it.  Cut way back, yes the whacked at the back of the head with a paddle[ /i]headache was a few days.  Now I have one cup, max 2 cups, before noon, and the rest of the day is decaf (I like coffee) or other liquids.

You all realise that caffeine is an alkaloid the the coffee plant puts in its seeds so insects don't eat them and they get to germinate, right?  Natural selection at work, those plants that did not protect their seeds had no offspring, plants that protected their seeds had offspring - lots of caffeine now.  We all all drinking insecticide.  Yummy insecticide.  Fortunately we are not insects and the dosage is pharmacological, not lethal.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 11:36:19 AM »
Then recently I had three episodes over a few weeks where I had high anxiety/mild depression that happened on days where I drank my old levels of caffeine. I did some googling and saw that there can be a correlation between caffeine and anxiety/depression. Now did the caffeine cause my bad days, or was I having a bad day that caused me to say "fuck it" and drink more caffeine? I honestly don't know but I figured there's no point in risking it and I immediately chopped my intake in half again (down to one 120mg drink a day). That was about 2 weeks ago and in another few weeks I'll cut it out completely.

It'll help.

In my teens and very early 20's I drank coffee regularly. Loved the buzz. Could hang out in coffee shops until 9pm and still sleep well. Then around 23/24 years old I started having serious anxiety issues related to leaving college without any plan or career prospects or philosophy of life. I talked to a doctor about the constant worry, the electric "zings" I occasionally felt through my chest and the GI distress and his first question was "how much caffeine do you drink?". Gave up caffeine and suddenly all that got significantly better. Kind of dumb of me not to put that together on my own, that regularly flogging your adrenal system with caffeine might lead to a perpetual fight or flight reaction.

I like to say my body decided for me to give up caffeine. I still regard coffee as "liquid worry" but have slipped a little green tea back into my morning routine, after maybe 7-8 years of avoiding caffeine entirely.

It is also nice to not need a jump start every morning. Now when I really need help (running on a couple hours sleep or less) a small cup of coffee or black tea is magic.
The weird thing though is that I rarely had any anxiety issues when I drank a lot before the first cut back or when I was drinking embarrassing amounts of Dr. Pepper 4-5 years ago

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 01:09:29 PM »
I've never noticed any effects from caffeine, whether drinking Diet Coke all day (6-8 cans at times) or drinking nothing but water for a few months straight.

Neither have I. I used to be a professor, and probably drank close to a coffee per day, Monday-Friday every week for the 9 months of the school year. As soon as the year was over, I'd drink no coffee at all during the summer (or maybe one cup per month). Never noticed any withdrawal, never had cravings.

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 01:30:10 PM »
I am addicted to coffee but this addiction is under control. One cup of good coffee -usually a home-made espresso-based drink like cappuccino per day and I am good to go. Funnily, when my wife and I camp (about six months of the year), we start our day with one cup of coffee in the morning, black, no sugar, prepared in a Bialetti stove-top coffee maker. When I am at home, I drink my cappuccino with milk (obviously) and two sugar cubes. I tried black coffee at home but somehow it doesn't work.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 01:45:45 PM »
i drink my caffeine in the form of black tea. i usually always have a cup on hand at work and cut myself off at 9pm. but i do suffer from withdrawal if i stop. i'm generally super sensitive to anything that affects sleep or energy so it's not surprising to me.

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 02:53:22 PM »
I have a pretty strong caffeine addiction though for me the majority of the addiction is habit based. In my experience getting over caffeine chemically takes maybe 3 days to leave my system and involves about 2 more days after that of headaches and general grogginess. After that physically I am more or less fine.

What usually draws me back in is I miss the ritual of having an energy drink or coffee at a fixed time. Kind of like a cigarette smoker misses taking a smoke break outside.

I have done a number of uppers including ephedrine HCL, Clenbuterol, and also 1,3 dimethylamylamine when it was once in pre-workout powders. What I learned from taking these stronger now mostly regulated or straight banned uppers is that caffeine is for the most part incredibly mild. Though the caveat is some people have a much stronger negative reaction to caffeine than others.

With caffeine if I have way to much it will generally make me feel physically a bit ill, possibly a bit groggy in the evening. And maybe a tad irritable. Mostly because I am groggy. But these symptoms are always generally mild and I would never go so far as to say they made me feel depressed.

The other nice part of caffeine is I can have very little each day, like one cup of coffee will keep me happy. Or a lot like 4 cups or 1 cup and two energy drinks and I can jump between heavy and light dosages without ever having worse come down periods.

The same can not be said for more potent amphetamine like uppers. These first off will give you a heart attack if you overdose. Second if you max out the recommend upper limit doses for as much as 2-3 weeks the come down I would definitely describe as a haze of depression. My mood from using these too long is notably dampened and I feel almost listless. This issue can generally be avoided by coming down off these drugs gradually. Something I never have to do with caffeine except to avoid bad headaches. So by comparison the mood swings I find are incredibly mild. Also I can generally skip a day of caffeine and feel fine mood wise. I cannot say the same for ephedrine.

In summary I just want to point out that for people who develop a reasonable tolerance to caffeine it is a very mild and manageable upper. There is certainly a level of chemical dependence but it is generally mild as you can fully purge it form your system in under a week if you go cold Turkey. I have also found that my energy regulation goes back to normal after a few weeks. While you are dependent on caffeine it is true it will likely fully control your periods of high energy. Where as in its absences you will generally be able to achieve natural highs while say working out.

I would also say you probably do some amount of harm to a healthier sleep cycle while regularly using caffeine.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2017, 04:44:27 PM »
I am finding that caffeine is good occasionally, like once a week, to get me out of ruts I would otherwise fall into. But more than that and it is actually not good. A lot is simple habit, and drinking coffee every time you feel sleepy will actually make things worse because you still won't have the rest you need. The only time this is somewhat justified is when you have a job where you are unable to make your own decisions...

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2017, 05:03:23 PM »


I have done a number of uppers including ephedrine HCL, Clenbuterol, and also 1,3 dimethylamylamine when it was once in pre-workout powders. What I learned from taking these stronger now mostly regulated or straight banned uppers is that caffeine is for the most part incredibly mild. Though the caveat is some people have a much stronger negative reaction to caffeine than others.



 pre workout with DMAA haha that was the old jack3d formula. There is a brand called mesomorph that still contains 1-3d. its actually not banned like the majority think. That stuff is ridiculous! So far I've made it today without any caffeine. Mild headache but feel extremely low energy. I'm going to fight through it this time. Seeing all the replies to this post will keep me motivated.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2017, 06:12:33 PM »
Hey,
I recently have up caffeine (start last Friday) due to some heart burn I was getting. So far its going ok. Substituted my morning cup of very strong aeropress or stovetop with a hot chocolate made from 100% raw cacao powder (which I acknowledge has a small caffeine component but my reading indicates minimal).

I had headaches the first few days and it has also coincided with some head cold symptoms. Unclear if related or not.

The biggest challenge is the office environment. I have herbal teas which get me through.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2017, 07:21:56 PM »
I consum caffeine very rarely.  Maybe twice a month I put a splash of regular coffee in my mug of decaf. I am extremely sensitive to caffeine and I don't enjoy the feeling of being under its influence: anxious, trembling, sweating, gi upset, and later inability to sleep.

I will have a caffeinated energy "goo" before a race. The only time the caffeine doesn't bother me too much is iif I am about to do intense exercise for two hours.

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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2017, 04:39:20 PM »
For a few years, Mr. YK and I had daily lattes. They smell and taste so good. But, we clearly became addicted to them. If I didn't have one by 10 am, I would get a terrible headache. It wasn't fun to always plan out when to have a latte if you didn't have time to make one in the morning.

We quit by having less and less each week, then switching to green tea, then to nothing. I think I did it over the course of a month. We both sleep so much better, and Mr. YK used to take FOREVER to wake up, but now wakes up in a normal time frame. Not being dehydrated from it is really nice. Also, it makes traveling internationally easier if you don't have to deal with the headache withdrawal.

I'll have tea every once in a while, but it's mostly herbal teas.

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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2017, 06:40:17 AM »
As a tip, I've found that one way to stay awake is to over-hydrate yourself. You'll end up peeing it all out, but it will keep you awake without using caffeine.

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2017, 06:54:33 AM »
I used to never drink coffee, it started in my late 20s early 30s and has gotten worse over the years. I drink a cup at home and get tons of gift cards for starbucks so grab another at work an hour later. Sometimes a third cup in the afternoon. It's kind of like RangerOne says it feels like something to do, get out of the office for five minutes then come back. That's exactly what smoking was about, for some reason quitting smoking especially with it banned in restaurants and bars wasn't too difficult for me, but it looks like I replaced it with coffee. I guess I should take up chewing toothpicks or pistachios or something or just go for a damn walk and no coffee.

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2017, 07:32:54 AM »
I've never noticed any effects from caffeine, whether drinking Diet Coke all day (6-8 cans at times) or drinking nothing but water for a few months straight.

Neither have I. I used to be a professor, and probably drank close to a coffee per day, Monday-Friday every week for the 9 months of the school year. As soon as the year was over, I'd drink no coffee at all during the summer (or maybe one cup per month). Never noticed any withdrawal, never had cravings.

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I'm another of the very low side effects people. If I don't have any caffeine at all, I will get a headache, but only on the first day, and it doesn't last very long. I can also drink several cups of coffee with supper and go to bed at 9pm (normal for me) and sleep without issues. I like coffee (and Earl Grey) and drink a minimum of four cups of drip or percolator coffee a day, usually more. I would only give it up if prices spiked.


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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2017, 11:43:11 AM »
I do my best to never consume caffeine except when I really need it. I tend to drink it about once every 3 months or longer.  Thursday and Friday I worked 16 hour days which began at midnight so I ended up drinking 3 cups of coffee each day to get through it. This morning I woke up with a headache (which never happens) and I'm guessing it's from the coffee (either consuming so much or stopping it after the binge).

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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2017, 02:59:06 PM »
Gave it up, best thing I ever did.  You don't realize how bad it is until you're off of it.  That extra energy if gives you?  Well, you pay for it in crashes that you don't even realize at the time.  That extra work you think you're getting done?  Turns out you're doing a worse job overall...  It may not be as severe as hardcore drug addictive, but the social acceptance of caffeine addiction makes  it insidious.

It feels easy to give up when you're using tons.  It's like your body is so saturated that it takes time to taper off and develop side effects, but then when you get them it's severe.  I had stomach issues and a mild headache for pretty much an entire Summer, starting a couple weeks after going cold turkey.  Now I'm very sensitive to it.  A couple of times I thought I'd get away with just a little pick me up.  Nope.  Don't do it!  A single cup of coffee or even half a glass of Coke will leave me with a blinding headache in the next 24-48 hours.

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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2017, 04:26:05 PM »
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Don't quit cold turkey. Taper down gradually over several months and you'll never have a headache. It worked for me.

I never drank a lot, but I always enjoyed my cup of coffee in the morning. The taste, the warmth, the routine, those moments of slowly waking up and enjoying something hot and sweet. However, I've always had to be very careful as well because I am also extremely sensitive. Apparently being on oral birth control pills can make the half-life of caffeine in the body twice what it would otherwise be, whereas smoking can decrease the half life. I looked that stuff up after having tea in the evening and literally not sleeping all night long.

My doctor recommended I quit caffeine when I was trying to get pregnant two pregnancies ago. I reluctantly cut my morning cut of coffee down to 0.5 regular, 0.5 decaf. I didn't experience the withdrawal headaches, but I was a massive BITCH for a good 7+ days straight. Fascinating withdrawal. I ended up getting pregnant before cutting down the zero. Then once the baby came, out of sheer desperation after months of no sleep, I just cut out that remaining 0.5 cup of regular and switched to 100% decaf. I didn't notice a thing, probably because caffeine withdrawal was the least of my worries at that point in my life.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 10:29:34 PM »
Caffeine is a blessing and a curse lol. 

I drink about 2-3 servings of coffee every morning and then a few more every evening.

I feel tired as hell until if I don't.

I should probably cut back.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 07:41:48 AM »
I drink several large cups of black tea throughout the day, but that's mostly just to keep warm (I'm one of those 'always cold' people). Caffeine has never really affected me. And I don't really like the flavor of coffee. I'll grab a coffee (mixed with a packet of hot cocoa) from the cafe at work 3-4 times per month if I just can't seem to stay awake. I don't get a buzz from it--it barely takes the edge off the sleepiness. Doesn't keep me up at night either if I have a late cup of tea.

I will say, however, that I tried to save money by using dehydrated coffee instead of buying from the cafe (I don't like the flavor much anyway; it's mostly just to caffeinate my hot cocoa). For some reason, I'd drink this coffee on like Tuesday or Wednesday, then get a migraine the following Sunday or Monday. No idea why. No additives or anything, and why would hit hit several days later? Anyway, stopped drinking it and the migraines went back to their normal occasional cadence.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 08:13:04 AM »
I drink coffee, but since I don't actually enjoy the taste if coffee generally only 1 cup per work day and none on weekends. I do like the occasional tea though. I also don't drink any coffee on vacations or any time I'm not working.

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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 08:21:09 AM »
I drink several large cups of black tea throughout the day, but that's mostly just to keep warm (I'm one of those 'always cold' people). Caffeine has never really affected me. And I don't really like the flavor of coffee. I'll grab a coffee (mixed with a packet of hot cocoa) from the cafe at work 3-4 times per month if I just can't seem to stay awake. I don't get a buzz from it--it barely takes the edge off the sleepiness. Doesn't keep me up at night either if I have a late cup of tea.

I will say, however, that I tried to save money by using dehydrated coffee instead of buying from the cafe (I don't like the flavor much anyway; it's mostly just to caffeinate my hot cocoa). For some reason, I'd drink this coffee on like Tuesday or Wednesday, then get a migraine the following Sunday or Monday. No idea why. No additives or anything, and why would hit hit several days later? Anyway, stopped drinking it and the migraines went back to their normal occasional cadence.

I'm trying to trace my migraine triggers - they usually happen on the weekend. Thanks for the suggestion that a trigger might be 2-3 days prior. It expands my search ideas. ;)

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2017, 09:39:42 AM »
I drink several large cups of black tea throughout the day, but that's mostly just to keep warm (I'm one of those 'always cold' people). Caffeine has never really affected me. And I don't really like the flavor of coffee. I'll grab a coffee (mixed with a packet of hot cocoa) from the cafe at work 3-4 times per month if I just can't seem to stay awake. I don't get a buzz from it--it barely takes the edge off the sleepiness. Doesn't keep me up at night either if I have a late cup of tea.

I will say, however, that I tried to save money by using dehydrated coffee instead of buying from the cafe (I don't like the flavor much anyway; it's mostly just to caffeinate my hot cocoa). For some reason, I'd drink this coffee on like Tuesday or Wednesday, then get a migraine the following Sunday or Monday. No idea why. No additives or anything, and why would hit hit several days later? Anyway, stopped drinking it and the migraines went back to their normal occasional cadence.

I'm trying to trace my migraine triggers - they usually happen on the weekend. Thanks for the suggestion that a trigger might be 2-3 days prior. It expands my search ideas. ;)

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2017, 10:14:53 AM »
I'm trying to trace my migraine triggers - they usually happen on the weekend. Thanks for the suggestion that a trigger might be 2-3 days prior. It expands my search ideas. ;)

I was getting weekend migraines last year. I was convinced that it was because my sleeping habits changed over the weekend, but I fixed that and still got the migraines. They always hit my second day off. I was stressed at work, and I saw that the stress relief of weekends could trigger migraines. I started running and meditating during the week, and the migraines went away. I've since changed jobs, and they haven't come back.

Back on topic. I gave up caffeine for Lent this past year. It was way more difficult than I anticipated. My energy levels were much lower. I also discovered I wasn't drinking nearly enough water. I'm back on caffeine, but I'm also drinking more water and feeling better.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2017, 07:14:11 PM »
I've known a number of people over the years with the weekend migraine thing...  Interestingly they're all 2-3 cup a day drinkers during the week who don't drink coffee on the weekend...  :-)  I can't think of a single case where adding coffee to the weekend routine didn't cure the mysterious migraines...  Which would mean that they misdiagnosed themselves with migraines and it was really addiction withdrawal headaches...

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 01:47:32 PM »
Well, inspired by my own headacheyness and lethargy, I cut out caffeine this week. I've been taking paracetamol and ibuprofen.

The only caffeine I've been drinking has been a couple of cups of hot chocolate a day. Previously I'd been drinking 2 (or 3) cups of half-caf and one cup of tea a day.

My wife sent me a thing a while back about "highly sensitive people", and I guess I am one. I can't take *anything* these days.

I'd drink coffee and just feel like a puddle on the floor after, ha. I miss it quite a bit, but not as much as I was expecting (I've quit a few times in the past). Not sure I've got my energy back as I've never been particularly high energy.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 03:41:58 PM »
Well, inspired by my own headacheyness and lethargy, I cut out caffeine this week. I've been taking paracetamol and ibuprofen.

The only caffeine I've been drinking has been a couple of cups of hot chocolate a day. Previously I'd been drinking 2 (or 3) cups of half-caf and one cup of tea a day.

My wife sent me a thing a while back about "highly sensitive people", and I guess I am one. I can't take *anything* these days.

I'd drink coffee and just feel like a puddle on the floor after, ha. I miss it quite a bit, but not as much as I was expecting (I've quit a few times in the past). Not sure I've got my energy back as I've never been particularly high energy.

When I quit last year, it took at least two months before I got my energy back and even then it came in waves. It's one reason why I'm hesitant to quit again. I regret starting again.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2017, 10:49:39 PM »
I've known a number of people over the years with the weekend migraine thing...  Interestingly they're all 2-3 cup a day drinkers during the week who don't drink coffee on the weekend...  :-)  I can't think of a single case where adding coffee to the weekend routine didn't cure the mysterious migraines...  Which would mean that they misdiagnosed themselves with migraines and it was really addiction withdrawal headaches...
Caffeine is often used to treat migraine symptoms, regardless of the trigger. Mine wasn't due to the caffeine, it was due to the instant coffee itself. In retrospect (once I noticed the pattern), the instant coffee guaranteed the weekend migraine. But if I had a week with regularly brewed coffee or no coffee at all, it was much less likely to happen (barring a different trigger). Sometimes caffeine helps mine, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm not saying you're wrong--caffeine withdrawal and dehydration were my first two guesses (both easily ruled out). But I don't know if we should be painting everyone with the same broad brush.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2017, 07:47:36 AM »
I developed a horrible migraine this past weekend on Friday night lasting all the way through Saturday afternoon/evening. I cut out my usual pre-workout for a few days (which included a 200mg caffeine pill) beforehand. I am sure this had a lot to do with it. I am working on smaller doses of pre-workout and cutting my caffeine pill in half.  I drink about a half cup of coffee in the morning as well.

I enjoy the pre-workout because it really boost my energy levels for a good workout. I make my own as well with only 4 ingredients so I know what goes in it. 

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2017, 09:42:27 AM »
One week with (virtually) no caffeine.

Apparently coffee is about 80mg a cup; tea 40; and hot chocolate 5.

I'm drinking 1-2 cups of hot choc a day. So maybe 10-15mg, rather than 120?

Also taking two halves of a paracetamol (so 500mg), and a couple of ibuprofen (= 2x200mg) to take the edge off. Not sure if the headaches are withdrawal related or just my poor sensitive head.

Not feeling too much longing, unless I a) think about it, or b) it's a dreary day like today... Hmm. Mostly just miss the warm thick liquid.. hot choc is ok I guess. But damn it's a lot of sugar.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2017, 11:28:50 AM »
I've cut out coffee and started drinking white tea instead.  Still a bit of caffeine but much less.  Already I am sleeping better.  No headaches either.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2017, 12:06:57 PM »
I'm in a constant battle with caffeinated, diet, soft drinks.  I can easily drink a six-pack of diet soda in a day.  I'm pretty sure that my addiction to the sweetener is probably a bigger factor than to the caffeine.  I regularly cut all soda and just replace with unsweetened brewed tea.  After a few days of substituting brewed tea for soda, I can wean myself off tea with no withdrawal symptoms -- and I find quitting tea to be so much easier than quitting soda. 


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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2017, 02:42:07 PM »
I'm in a constant battle with caffeinated, diet, soft drinks.  I can easily drink a six-pack of diet soda in a day.  I'm pretty sure that my addiction to the sweetener is probably a bigger factor than to the caffeine.  I regularly cut all soda and just replace with unsweetened brewed tea.  After a few days of substituting brewed tea for soda, I can wean myself off tea with no withdrawal symptoms -- and I find quitting tea to be so much easier than quitting soda.
I get soda (Dr Pepper mostly) cravings after dinner--I think it's the sugar more than the caffeine. So I started drinking San Pellegrino water after dinner instead. It's cold and fizzy and is an adequate replacement. Plain water just tastes bad after food to me, but the minerals give my fizzy water just enough flavor that I don't miss the soda as much. I don't think I've had a Dr Pepper since March, now that I think of it.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2017, 02:44:52 PM »
One week with (virtually) no caffeine.

Apparently coffee is about 80mg a cup; tea 40; and hot chocolate 5.

I'm drinking 1-2 cups of hot choc a day. So maybe 10-15mg, rather than 120?

Also taking two halves of a paracetamol (so 500mg), and a couple of ibuprofen (= 2x200mg) to take the edge off. Not sure if the headaches are withdrawal related or just my poor sensitive head.

Not feeling too much longing, unless I a) think about it, or b) it's a dreary day like today... Hmm. Mostly just miss the warm thick liquid.. hot choc is ok I guess. But damn it's a lot of sugar.

Hot lemon water?  It is now my first thing in the morning hot drink.  Coffee before food wasn't doing well.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2017, 02:57:38 PM »
One week with (virtually) no caffeine.

Apparently coffee is about 80mg a cup; tea 40; and hot chocolate 5.

I'm drinking 1-2 cups of hot choc a day. So maybe 10-15mg, rather than 120?

Also taking two halves of a paracetamol (so 500mg), and a couple of ibuprofen (= 2x200mg) to take the edge off. Not sure if the headaches are withdrawal related or just my poor sensitive head.

Not feeling too much longing, unless I a) think about it, or b) it's a dreary day like today... Hmm. Mostly just miss the warm thick liquid.. hot choc is ok I guess. But damn it's a lot of sugar.

Hot lemon water?  It is now my first thing in the morning hot drink.  Coffee before food wasn't doing well.
Also, oolong, green, and white teas have less caffeine than black. Most herbal teas have no caffeine.
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2017, 03:02:38 PM »
I'm in a constant battle with caffeinated, diet, soft drinks.  I can easily drink a six-pack of diet soda in a day.  I'm pretty sure that my addiction to the sweetener is probably a bigger factor than to the caffeine.  I regularly cut all soda and just replace with unsweetened brewed tea.  After a few days of substituting brewed tea for soda, I can wean myself off tea with no withdrawal symptoms -- and I find quitting tea to be so much easier than quitting soda.

That's my problem too. I normally have pepsi max. I already have a headache this morning  (it's 7am where I am) because I only had one can yesterday instead of the 2-3 I have been having lately.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2017, 03:49:34 PM »
One week with (virtually) no caffeine.

Apparently coffee is about 80mg a cup; tea 40; and hot chocolate 5.

I'm drinking 1-2 cups of hot choc a day. So maybe 10-15mg, rather than 120?

Also taking two halves of a paracetamol (so 500mg), and a couple of ibuprofen (= 2x200mg) to take the edge off. Not sure if the headaches are withdrawal related or just my poor sensitive head.

Not feeling too much longing, unless I a) think about it, or b) it's a dreary day like today... Hmm. Mostly just miss the warm thick liquid.. hot choc is ok I guess. But damn it's a lot of sugar.

Hot lemon water?  It is now my first thing in the morning hot drink.  Coffee before food wasn't doing well.
Also, oolong, green, and white teas have less caffeine than black. Most herbal teas have no caffeine.

I used to drink rooibos. Honestly I am not a fan of tea; I only started drinking tea at work when kind people would offer a cup of whatever at least twice an hour, and I couldn't take all the coffee.

Coffee just has a different texture to it. Hot chocolate is close. I tried chicory root but it's not the same.

No doubt it's "coke tastes better unless you don't know it's coke".
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2017, 02:58:24 PM »
I've had good luck limiting coffee to a specific time of day:  5 to 7 am.  The rest of the day I have green tea or oolong tea.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2017, 06:12:42 AM »


I enjoy the pre-workout because it really boost my energy levels for a good workout. I make my own as well with only 4 ingredients so I know what goes in it.

That's what got me to become addicted to caffeine. I never consumed caffeine but when I started working out I was introduced to this "pre workout powder" and have been consuming it for years. It does give me a really intense and focused workout but I remember being that way before ever taking it. This is Day 3 with no caffeine and I feel miserable.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2017, 10:47:35 AM »
I'm 4th day without coffee (switched to white tea), not caffeine free, but much less.  Already I'm getting more appetite in the morning, less binging on crap at night, getting tired at a reasonable time, and 'monkey mind' is dialed down when trying to fall asleep. 

So far it's been all good.  I think in a few weeks I will switch to a tea without any caffeine and be done with it. 
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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2017, 04:41:54 PM »
I tried quitting energy drinks, lasted a whole month. What a total disaster. I work graveyard and don't normally have problems staying awake, the lethargy and sleepiness was incredible. Now back to normal routine, slightly lower intake, much better off. I figured after a few weeks I'd be OK, but no. think I may have screwed over my system into needing the sugar and caffeine.

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Re: Caffeine addiction
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2017, 08:48:01 PM »
I used to drink coffee - about a pot a day. Could not function in the morning without it. Gave it up about 8 years ago. Now I drink one cup of black tea in the morning and that's it for caffeine.