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« Reply #1250 on: October 05, 2018, 01:20:08 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

She's currently on tv talking about how great it is.  She apparently thinks he's going to be not only totally nonpartisan, but a liberal vote on the court who will support women's rights and limit executive power. 

I think she's going to live to regret her decision, when he turns out to be everything he claims to be instead of what she envisions he will become.
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« Reply #1251 on: October 05, 2018, 01:21:25 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

I am starting to wonder if we've reached a tipping point that we can't recover from.

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« Reply #1252 on: October 05, 2018, 01:33:20 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

I am starting to wonder if we've reached a tipping point that we can't recover from.

I come from the mountaineering/wilderness professional subculture. I was raised to, and trained to assess the facts with as clear an eye as I can, and then focus not on what is most likely, but on what is most likely to give me the best chance of the results I want. When you're trapped in a slot canyon with your arm under a boulder, you figure out how to cut your arm off with the damn pocketknife. Most of the time you will die, but unless you can focus on that next step, you've guaranteed your death.

Edited to add: In this case we figure out how the hell to win the senate, and how to get Manchin to not throw away his base, and then we reassess.
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« Reply #1253 on: October 05, 2018, 01:37:28 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

She's currently on tv talking about how great it is.  She apparently thinks he's going to be not only totally nonpartisan, but a liberal vote on the court who will support women's rights and limit executive power. 

I think she's going to live to regret her decision, when he turns out to be everything he claims to be instead of what she envisions he will become.

She knows exactly what he is.

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« Reply #1254 on: October 05, 2018, 01:39:29 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

I am starting to wonder if we've reached a tipping point that we can't recover from.

Very likely yes, but I'm still going to vote.

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« Reply #1255 on: October 05, 2018, 01:40:23 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

I am starting to wonder if we've reached a tipping point that we can't recover from.

Very likely yes, but I'm still going to vote.

Oh so am I, but...fucking hell, I want to be optimistic but I'm not sure I can keep it up.

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« Reply #1256 on: October 05, 2018, 01:46:15 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

She's currently on tv talking about how great it is.  She apparently thinks he's going to be not only totally nonpartisan, but a liberal vote on the court who will support women's rights and limit executive power. 

I think she's going to live to regret her decision, when he turns out to be everything he claims to be instead of what she envisions he will become.
i bet she never regrets a goddamn thing and dies in peace of old age surrounded by her loved ones, just like Nobel Peace Prize Award Winner Heinz Alfred "Henry" Kissinger and Sir James Wilson Vincent "Jimmy" Savile
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« Reply #1257 on: October 05, 2018, 01:50:16 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.

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« Reply #1258 on: October 05, 2018, 01:56:17 PM »
Looks like Collins is voting to confirm, as expected.  Kavanaugh will sit on the Supreme Court.

She's currently on tv talking about how great it is.  She apparently thinks he's going to be not only totally nonpartisan, but a liberal vote on the court who will support women's rights and limit executive power. 

I think she's going to live to regret her decision, when he turns out to be everything he claims to be instead of what she envisions he will become.
i bet she never regrets a goddamn thing and dies in peace of old age surrounded by her loved ones, just like Nobel Peace Prize Award Winner Heinz Alfred "Henry" Kissinger and Sir James Wilson Vincent "Jimmy" Savile
Yep.

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« Reply #1259 on: October 05, 2018, 02:01:35 PM »
Collins is voting yes.

Manchin is also voting yes.  A democrat is voting for Kavanaugh.

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« Reply #1260 on: October 05, 2018, 02:03:29 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.
Sexual assault and attempted rape.

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« Reply #1261 on: October 05, 2018, 02:05:54 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.
Sexual assault and attempted rape.

By whom?

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« Reply #1262 on: October 05, 2018, 02:07:23 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.
Sexual assault and attempted rape.

By whom?
Brett Kavanaugh and one of his friends.

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« Reply #1263 on: October 05, 2018, 02:09:29 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.
Sexual assault and attempted rape.

By whom?
Brett Kavanaugh and one of his friends.

Did she actually say that?  (I had to turn her off, couldn't stand hearing her any more.) If she did say that, did she expressly acknowledge that she is voting a sexual predator onto the Supreme Court?

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« Reply #1264 on: October 05, 2018, 02:10:04 PM »
Collins has just described Dr Ford as a "survivor".  Just who and what does she think Dr Ford survived?

The disconnect is astonishing.
Sexual assault and attempted rape.

Perhaps Collins is still stuck on the idea of mistaken identity, as in it happened but it wasn't Kavanaugh. Or perhaps that's what she's telling herself so she can sleep at night.

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« Reply #1265 on: October 05, 2018, 02:11:30 PM »
Is there a communication disconnect here? I didn't actually listen to Collin's speech, because why the fuck would I. Did she call Kavanaugh a survivor? Or Russell Ford? Neither of those make sense. Then again, acknowledging that Christine Blasey Ford is a survivor and then still voting to confirm Kavanaugh also makes no sense, unless Collins just doesn't give a fuck. Which sounds about right.

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« Reply #1266 on: October 05, 2018, 02:15:47 PM »
Is there a communication disconnect here? I didn't actually listen to Collin's speech, because why the fuck would I. Did she call Kavanaugh a survivor? Or Russell Ford? Neither of those make sense. Then again, acknowledging that Christine Blasey Ford is a survivor and then still voting to confirm Kavanaugh also makes no sense, unless Collins just doesn't give a fuck. Which sounds about right.

I believe the communication broke down when you didn't listen to the speech.

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« Reply #1267 on: October 05, 2018, 02:16:53 PM »
Is there a communication disconnect here? I didn't actually listen to Collin's speech, because why the fuck would I. Did she call Kavanaugh a survivor? Or Russell Ford? Neither of those make sense. Then again, acknowledging that Christine Blasey Ford is a survivor and then still voting to confirm Kavanaugh also makes no sense, unless Collins just doesn't give a fuck. Which sounds about right.

She called Christine Ford a survivor.  She also said that since there were no witnesses to the assuault, the entire Senate should side with the "presumption of innocence" argument and assume he didn't do it.  Sexual assault survivors everywhere, sit up and take note; you need a witness to your assault if you want to press charges.  Unless you are literally raped in front of credible witnesses, there can be no justice.  Republican Senator Susan Collins said so.
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« Reply #1268 on: October 05, 2018, 02:18:09 PM »
Is there a communication disconnect here? I didn't actually listen to Collin's speech, because why the fuck would I. Did she call Kavanaugh a survivor? Or Russell Ford? Neither of those make sense. Then again, acknowledging that Christine Blasey Ford is a survivor and then still voting to confirm Kavanaugh also makes no sense, unless Collins just doesn't give a fuck. Which sounds about right.

Collins called Dr Ford a survivor, while voting for Kavanaugh.


By acknowledging that Dr Ford is a survivor she should also, logically, be acknowledging that Kavanaugh is the perpetrator.  But she is voting him onto the Supreme Court.  So either she is knowingly voting a perpetrator onto the Supreme Court or she is inventing some unknown perpetrator that assaulted Dr Ford, despite Dr Ford's 100'% certainty of Kavanaugh's identity as the perpetrator.

Collins has just made a long speech all based on "logic" as to why none of the reasons put forward against Kavanaugh apply.  But she has totally undermined any credibility by her illogical response regarding Dr Ford.

That is what I meant.

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« Reply #1269 on: October 05, 2018, 02:32:18 PM »
the wise man smiled, beatific. he said: There is no difference between survivors and perpetrators. you jackass. You Buffoon

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« Reply #1270 on: October 05, 2018, 02:58:00 PM »
So, do we think Brett will have a somewhat awkward first day at work on Monday?

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« Reply #1271 on: October 05, 2018, 02:59:35 PM »
So, do we think Brett will have a somewhat awkward first day at work on Monday?
Nah, he'll get a warm reception from Clarence Thomas.

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« Reply #1272 on: October 05, 2018, 03:08:53 PM »
So, do we think Brett will have a somewhat awkward first day at work on Monday?
Nah, he'll get a warm reception from Clarence Thomas.
Warm, but likely silent.

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« Reply #1273 on: October 05, 2018, 03:13:30 PM »
So, do we think Brett will have a somewhat awkward first day at work on Monday?
Nah, he'll get a warm reception from Clarence Thomas.

"Hey Brett!  Broski!  Welcome to Tit and Clit, senior citizen edition.  Did you know your wife can be a republican lobbyist and take unlimited financial donations from defendants in the cases we rule on?" 

Warm, but likely silent.

Thomas is quiet because he's been way out of his depth since day one.  Did you know he was only a judge for two years before they put him on the Supreme Court?

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« Reply #1274 on: October 05, 2018, 03:32:32 PM »
Just a reminder that midterms are in 4 weeks or so.  We only have control over our own actions.  I will be voting.  Save the despair for after the midterms, please.  Until then I will be crossing my fingers.

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« Reply #1275 on: October 05, 2018, 03:55:08 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing. I doubt Ds will make much headway against the R machine with the way every conservative has lined up for Trump lately. The narrative has change not one iota since 2016. Trump has pulled all the air out of the room, not even a NYT expose can wobble this machine. Unemployment is below 4% for fcks sake, Trump is "winning" on all fronts, and now we got a conservative court to go along with the Trumpian executive and legislation branches. I predict a bloodbath for Ds. Rs will come out in full force, and the dejected Ds won't even bother...

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« Reply #1276 on: October 05, 2018, 03:55:59 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

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« Reply #1277 on: October 05, 2018, 04:01:10 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

Not likely. Democrats set to take the House can wish it, but it is pointless without the Senate on board.

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« Reply #1278 on: October 05, 2018, 04:05:39 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

Not likely. Democrats set to take the House can wish it, but it is pointless without the Senate on board.

If Democrats don't win the Senate in 2018, then do it after 2020, or 2022, or whenever the next time Democrats elect enough people to do it is.

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« Reply #1279 on: October 05, 2018, 04:15:21 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

Not likely. Democrats set to take the House can wish it, but it is pointless without the Senate on board.

If Democrats don't win the Senate in 2018, then do it after 2020, or 2022, or whenever the next time Democrats elect enough people to do it is.

And what exactly would the grounds be for impeachment? This would set a terrible precedent. And then we'd have Republican controlled Senate trying to impeach every damn Democrat appointed SC justice based on something, anything found in the past. RBJ smoked a joint in college, ermagerd impeach her!

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« Reply #1280 on: October 05, 2018, 04:16:58 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

Not likely. Democrats set to take the House can wish it, but it is pointless without the Senate on board.

If Democrats don't win the Senate in 2018, then do it after 2020, or 2022, or whenever the next time Democrats elect enough people to do it is.

And what exactly would the grounds be for impeachment?

Lying under oath is a slam-dunk. Sexual assault and attempted rape are harder to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but only that's the standard for criminal conviction, not impeachment.

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« Reply #1281 on: October 05, 2018, 04:23:45 PM »
Also, everyone involved in squelching the FBI's investigation and report should be charged with obstruction of justice.

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« Reply #1282 on: October 05, 2018, 04:30:17 PM »
This might be a small comfort in this strange world, where attempted rape is renamed horseplay:

The Nobel Peace Price was today awarded Nadia Murad and Denis Mukwege for their fight against rape:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/world/nobel-peace-prize.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

So inspiring.

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« Reply #1283 on: October 05, 2018, 05:04:33 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing.

I hope the sage isn't over. I hope he gets impeached.

Not likely. Democrats set to take the House can wish it, but it is pointless without the Senate on board.

If Democrats don't win the Senate in 2018, then do it after 2020, or 2022, or whenever the next time Democrats elect enough people to do it is.

And what exactly would the grounds be for impeachment? This would set a terrible precedent. And then we'd have Republican controlled Senate trying to impeach every damn Democrat appointed SC justice based on something, anything found in the past. RBJ smoked a joint in college, ermagerd impeach her!

Lying under oath.

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« Reply #1284 on: October 05, 2018, 05:17:20 PM »
You can give Kavanaugh the reasonable benefit of the doubt that he didn't sexually assault a woman, and still vote no.
He clearly lied under oath. He showed he does not have the temperament to be a supreme court justice very clearly.

I have ZERO thought that he will not predecide cases. There will be no point in even arguing them in front of him.

I think we will see a lot of corruption of the court with him sitting on it.

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« Reply #1285 on: October 05, 2018, 05:25:27 PM »
You can give Kavanaugh the reasonable benefit of the doubt that he didn't sexually assault a woman, and still vote no.

I'm pretty sure Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman. We already have affidavits from four other people corroborating Ford's story. It wouldn't be admissible in a criminal trial since it's hearsay (it's other witness recalling things Ford said, after the incident) but again, this isn't a criminal trial and the standards of evidence are different.

I think we will see a lot of corruption of the court with him sitting on it.

There was already a lot of corruption on the court even before Kavanaugh, but he'll make it worse.

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« Reply #1286 on: October 05, 2018, 05:28:08 PM »
Term limits for house, senate, supreme court? Also mandatory retirement age 80? Already Have to be a certain age to be president so don't see a problem with age discrimination. Too many problems, need change.
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« Reply #1287 on: October 05, 2018, 05:29:23 PM »
A man credibly accused of sexual assault nominated a man credibly accused of sexual assault to the Supreme Court so that soon, women who are raped will be forced to carry their babies to term against their will.

Abolish the Republican Party.

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« Reply #1288 on: October 05, 2018, 05:43:47 PM »
A man credibly accused of sexual assault nominated a man credibly accused of sexual assault to the Supreme Court so that soon, women who are raped will be forced to carry their babies to term against their will.

More importantly, millions of American citizens are smugly congratulating themselves for helping to make this happen.  Hey guys, we did it!  High fives all around!  Let's go vote for more republicans!  Maybe Roy Moore can go up for the next available Supreme Court seat?  He was a judge, right?

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« Reply #1289 on: October 05, 2018, 05:48:01 PM »
Want to know why Democrats hold no branch of federal government in this country? Decisions like this one. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, only that one party is willing to do whatever takes and one party isn't.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-kavanaugh-election/liberal-groups-wont-support-democrats-backing-kavanaugh-idUSKCN1MF2GM

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« Reply #1290 on: October 05, 2018, 05:54:07 PM »
A man credibly accused of sexual assault nominated a man credibly accused of sexual assault to the Supreme Court so that soon, women who are raped will be forced to carry their babies to term against their will.

More importantly, millions of American citizens are smugly congratulating themselves for helping to make this happen.  Hey guys, we did it!  High fives all around!  Let's go vote for more republicans!  Maybe Roy Moore can go up for the next available Supreme Court seat?  He was a judge, right?
Right, it's like a wise man once said, the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. People like to pretend that the mustache twirling brothers Koch are duping the hardscrabble everyman out there but that's ten layers of gauze to veil the obvious: the politics are bad because the voters are bad.

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« Reply #1291 on: October 05, 2018, 06:43:53 PM »
You can give Kavanaugh the reasonable benefit of the doubt that he didn't sexually assault a woman, and still vote no.

I'm pretty sure Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman. We already have affidavits from four other people corroborating Ford's story. It wouldn't be admissible in a criminal trial since it's hearsay (it's other witness recalling things Ford said, after the incident) but again, this isn't a criminal trial and the standards of evidence are different.

I think we will see a lot of corruption of the court with him sitting on it.

There was already a lot of corruption on the court even before Kavanaugh, but he'll make it worse.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he sexually assaulted multiple women. But let's say someone isn't. He still shouldn't be seated on the court.

My heart breaks for the women who will soon here what I did with my first pregnancy. "I'm sorry your baby isn't viable but termination its not legal here (at this gestation) The only thing I can do for you is pray the baby dies before he is born."
I hope there is a network and support for women to travel for their medical needs.
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« Reply #1292 on: October 05, 2018, 06:59:33 PM »
You can give Kavanaugh the reasonable benefit of the doubt that he didn't sexually assault a woman, and still vote no.

I'm pretty sure Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman. We already have affidavits from four other people corroborating Ford's story. It wouldn't be admissible in a criminal trial since it's hearsay (it's other witness recalling things Ford said, after the incident) but again, this isn't a criminal trial and the standards of evidence are different.

I think we will see a lot of corruption of the court with him sitting on it.

There was already a lot of corruption on the court even before Kavanaugh, but he'll make it worse.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he sexually assaulted multiple women. But let's say someone isn't. He still shouldn't be seated on the court.

My heart breaks for the women who will soon here what I did with my first pregnancy. "I'm sorry your baby isn't viable but termination its not legal here (at this gestation) The only thing I can do for you is pray the baby dies before he is born."
I hope there is a network and support for women to travel for their medical needs.

Oh that is so incredibly cruel and horrific to inflict on a woman. Honestly worse than Gitmo torture.

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« Reply #1293 on: October 05, 2018, 07:09:04 PM »
You can give Kavanaugh the reasonable benefit of the doubt that he didn't sexually assault a woman, and still vote no.

I'm pretty sure Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman. We already have affidavits from four other people corroborating Ford's story. It wouldn't be admissible in a criminal trial since it's hearsay (it's other witness recalling things Ford said, after the incident) but again, this isn't a criminal trial and the standards of evidence are different.

I think we will see a lot of corruption of the court with him sitting on it.

There was already a lot of corruption on the court even before Kavanaugh, but he'll make it worse.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he sexually assaulted multiple women. But let's say someone isn't. He still shouldn't be seated on the court.

My heart breaks for the women who will soon here what I did with my first pregnancy. "I'm sorry your baby isn't viable but termination its not legal here (at this gestation) The only thing I can do for you is pray the baby dies before he is born."
I hope there is a network and support for women to travel for their medical needs.

Oh that is so incredibly cruel and horrific to inflict on a woman. Honestly worse than Gitmo torture.

My doctor's were kind and caring and did what they could to provide me options. Politicians who thought they knew better than doctor's tied their hands though, so the doctor's could not do what they and their patient thought best.

It's the future we will have when Roe is gone. My case was not unique, but rare, as I was third trimester before there were indications of problems. (It was genetic so I don't know WTF happened early on...I had all recommended prenatal care.) But now it's going to happen to so many more women.

This is so personal to me. No one should be in the position I was in. No one should have to travel for medical care, assuming they can even afford it.

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1294 on: October 05, 2018, 07:55:29 PM »
I already submitted my absentee ballot.  I hope everyone votes out the Republicans on every level.

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1295 on: October 05, 2018, 08:08:41 PM »
Now that the Kavanaugh saga is almost to a close it feels like a giant waste of energy was spent for nothing. I doubt Ds will make much headway against the R machine with the way every conservative has lined up for Trump lately. The narrative has change not one iota since 2016. Trump has pulled all the air out of the room, not even a NYT expose can wobble this machine. Unemployment is below 4% for fcks sake, Trump is "winning" on all fronts, and now we got a conservative court to go along with the Trumpian executive and legislation branches. I predict a bloodbath for Ds. Rs will come out in full force, and the dejected Ds won't even bother...

Yeah, it's possible. The D's chances are slipping, per 538. Mueller could have footage of Trump promising Putin to get rid of Magnitsky and it wouldn't change Republican support.

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1296 on: October 05, 2018, 08:55:19 PM »
Man. This place got real salty.

The way I see it, as liberals shift towards "equality" Roe V Wade would need to be reconsidered at some point. Reproduction Rights will gradually shift from "preventatives" to "improving offspring" as our understanding of genetics improves. Unless we're cool with Rich people making their children smarter, faster, stronger before birth.

Is Kavanaugh a bad choice? Not sure. I don't have the expertise to evaluate it. As GuitarStv pointed out "Congress has some of the sharpest minds in America" so if they think his jurisprudence is good, that is all that matters. We never really had any control over this.

So go process your grief. A battle that was coming  is now going to be here soon. And hell, Democrats can blame Republicans now for the loss of Roe V Wade instead of dismantling it themselves. (I'm betting big on the social equality becoming a big issue.)

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1297 on: October 05, 2018, 09:06:25 PM »
Man. This place got real salty.

The way I see it, as liberals shift towards "equality" Roe V Wade would need to be reconsidered at some point. Reproduction Rights will gradually shift from "preventatives" to "improving offspring" as our understanding of genetics improves. Unless we're cool with Rich people making their children smarter, faster, stronger before birth.

Is Kavanaugh a bad choice? Not sure. I don't have the expertise to evaluate it. As GuitarStv pointed out "Congress has some of the sharpest minds in America" so if they think his jurisprudence is good, that is all that matters. We never really had any control over this.

So go process your grief. A battle that was coming  is now going to be here soon. And hell, Democrats can blame Republicans now for the loss of Roe V Wade instead of dismantling it themselves. (I'm betting big on the social equality becoming a big issue.)
Insightful and thoughtful comments regarding the improvement of the genetic stock of our blood from the NSDAP candidate, Adolf Hitler. Thank you sir! I shall keep your wise remarks in mind as I hasten to the ballot box forthwith

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1298 on: October 05, 2018, 09:14:08 PM »
ATTENTION: THIS THREAD HAS NOW REACHED ITS TOP.
DO NOT PROCEED FURTHER.

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Re: Brett Kavanaguh: Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1299 on: October 05, 2018, 09:28:49 PM »
In my opinion, Republicans will NEVER overturn Roe vs. Wade.

If they do, they INSTANTLY lose at least 20% of their voters. I can't tell you how many people I have talked to that tell me anti-choice is the ONLY reason they vote republican.