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An Obituary of The New York Times
« on: November 30, 2016, 09:40:41 AM »
Very interesting article about the mainstream media, propagating their own hidden agenda.

http://www.unz.com/article/an-obituary-of-the-new-york-times/

What I have seen is that most papers and media outlets in the US  have a bias and their reporting shows it.

Personal experience. I have been subscribing to the New York Times for almost 15 or 20 years. About 3 years ago, I started seeing misinformation from the NYT. Especially during and after the election of Prime Minister Modi. What I read in Indian papers and what happened on the ground did not match what the NYT reported. I ended up cancelling my subscription about 18 months ago.







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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 09:47:33 AM »
Very interesting article about the mainstream media, propagating their own hidden agenda.

http://www.unz.com/article/an-obituary-of-the-new-york-times/

What I have seen is that most papers and media outlets in the US  have a bias and their reporting shows it.

Personal experience. I have been subscribing to the New York Times for almost 15 or 20 years. About 3 years ago, I started seeing misinformation from the NYT. Especially during and after the election of Prime Minister Modi. What I read in Indian papers and what happened on the ground did not match what the NYT reported. I ended up cancelling my subscription about 18 months ago.

http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/united-states/c/ron-unz-controversial-writer.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.WD8CDE_57ok

Not sure I would cite an organization that has this guy at its heart.

And ironic that you would cite something by this site as an argument against "bias." Especially against the New York Times.

There is a difference between perspective and bias.

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/what-does-it-take-for-you-to-consider-a-news-source-to-be-trustworthy/msg1320479/#msg1320479
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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 09:54:42 AM »
If you are looking for an unbiased news source, you won't find it.  It is a unicorn.  However, the NYT generally checks it's sources.  Is it perfect?  No way.  But it is better than most out there. 

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 12:07:43 PM »
Very interesting article about the mainstream media, propagating their own hidden agenda.

http://www.unz.com/article/an-obituary-of-the-new-york-times/

What I have seen is that most papers and media outlets in the US  have a bias and their reporting shows it.

Personal experience. I have been subscribing to the New York Times for almost 15 or 20 years. About 3 years ago, I started seeing misinformation from the NYT. Especially during and after the election of Prime Minister Modi. What I read in Indian papers and what happened on the ground did not match what the NYT reported. I ended up cancelling my subscription about 18 months ago.

Fake news source to try to discredit real news outlet. Disgusting.

"I started seeing misinformation" Like what? Please be specific. Here's an example: when our area had a devastating wildfire, I saw some misinformation. The paper (and now I don't remember which one) mistook the fire in Northern Colorado (High Park Fire) with the one burning near Colorado Springs (Waldo Canyon Fire) and mixed up their acreages burned. That's called a mistake and a good paper issues errata on a regular basis. The NYT does this, in fact.
I have also noticed slants in papers like the Huffington Post. I knew many details of a project involving animal rights concerns, some of which the Huffpost glossed over in order to make a sided-argument. This wasn't fake news, but it was slanted. Most papers have a slant to some degree, because the paper is serving as a filter for a lot of information.

In this case, I think your assertion is full of shit. Following a blog is fine. Somehow thinking a blog is privy to some "secret" information that regular news media are seeking to cover up is bullshit. News orgs TRY TO SCOOP each other. They do not collude to hide "special" information from the public. They do try to guess what the public will read, and thus cover that more heavily. Nobody is covering what I'm currently having for lunch, for example. They are, however, covering whatever Trump did in the last hour.

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016, 02:02:33 PM »
"Fake news source to try to discredit real news outlet. Disgusting."

I agree, the New York Times shouldn't try to discredit unz like that.


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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 02:14:45 PM »
Very interesting article about the mainstream media, propagating their own hidden agenda.

http://www.unz.com/article/an-obituary-of-the-new-york-times/

What I have seen is that most papers and media outlets in the US  have a bias and their reporting shows it.

Personal experience. I have been subscribing to the New York Times for almost 15 or 20 years. About 3 years ago, I started seeing misinformation from the NYT. Especially during and after the election of Prime Minister Modi. What I read in Indian papers and what happened on the ground did not match what the NYT reported. I ended up cancelling my subscription about 18 months ago.

Fake news source to try to discredit real news outlet. Disgusting.

"I started seeing misinformation" Like what? Please be specific. Here's an example: when our area had a devastating wildfire, I saw some misinformation. The paper (and now I don't remember which one) mistook the fire in Northern Colorado (High Park Fire) with the one burning near Colorado Springs (Waldo Canyon Fire) and mixed up their acreages burned. That's called a mistake and a good paper issues errata on a regular basis. The NYT does this, in fact.
I have also noticed slants in papers like the Huffington Post. I knew many details of a project involving animal rights concerns, some of which the Huffpost glossed over in order to make a sided-argument. This wasn't fake news, but it was slanted. Most papers have a slant to some degree, because the paper is serving as a filter for a lot of information.

In this case, I think your assertion is full of shit. Following a blog is fine. Somehow thinking a blog is privy to some "secret" information that regular news media are seeking to cover up is bullshit. News orgs TRY TO SCOOP each other. They do not collude to hide "special" information from the public. They do try to guess what the public will read, and thus cover that more heavily. Nobody is covering what I'm currently having for lunch, for example. They are, however, covering whatever Trump did in the last hour.

Your assumption is that 1) the OP brought some critical thinking skills along, and 2) that this was an honest assessment.

It looks like neither is true.


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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016, 02:15:25 PM »
I believe you'd be interested in the concept of Gell-Mann amnesia. Murray Gell-Mann, a physicist, noticed that he was able to shake his head at the idiotic reporting the science section and then, 5 minutes later, believe the reporting about far away places in the news section. How can he believe it's not all crap? The fact is that lots of us have the experience of being there and then reading about it in the Times. In every case I can remember, the Times was way off base. So all news to me is pretty unreliable.

I recently read someone saying, "actually, reporters should be stenographers, writing down the things powerful people say." Lots of reporters attacked him, because of the idea that bad reporting, merely acting like the stenographers of the powerful, is what causes wars like the Iraq war. But the guys point was subtle. Reporters should not try to interpret the words too much. If you don't want to write down what Trump says, find another beat.

The future is dangerous for reporters. They will be allowed in only when they can act as unpaid PR people. I bet they will trade their integrity for this kind of access once again. Better would be to avoid reporting things that they can't understand, and report truths from elsewhere. But then they wouldn't be going to the dinner parties and meeting the powerful people "on background" and riding around in the president's plane. How boring.

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2016, 02:19:07 PM »
The fact is that lots of us have the experience of being there and then reading about it in the Times. In every case I can remember, the Times was way off base. So all news to me is pretty unreliable.

Yea - nothing like broad, unsubstantiated generalities to back up a supposition.

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2016, 06:15:27 PM »
When you read the news, what makes you think it's true, without using any broad generalisations of course.

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2016, 06:37:25 PM »
Major papers don't currently have a reputation for printing fiction. They have source, take interviews, investigate, and report on real events.

The only thing that would make news better is to take away the corporate interests that own the papers and television media with all their political vested interests. In its current state its still far better than the news Russian and Chinese citizens get from their state controlled media.

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Re: An Obituary of The New York Times
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 02:11:15 AM »
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