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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2025, 05:24:20 PM »
Back in court today. Judge wants to know how someone can challenge their deportation. DoJ says they can file a habeas brief

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3lkvuqthcfs2i

El Salvador was kind enough to return somebody they didn't think met the criteria, which runs counter to the DoJ saying they're certain everyone they sent was a bad guy (on a flight that shouldn't have left in the first place)

https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lkvyc726qs23

The ineptitude and haphazard method of this first removal just reinforces how dangerous allowing this precedent to stand would be -
'Our client has been disappeared': Lawyer seeks answers on Venezuelan imprisoned with no due process

and this - Haberman says Trump's remarks have upset his own staff and other Republicans

There is no ineptitude and haphazardness here at all.  It is highly calculated and deliberate.  It is absolutely the point to deny those legitimately entitled to due process their legislated rights.  It makes the next attack on human rights only a small step beyond this one.  They haven’t even started on incarceration of “the enemy within” - ie Americans who are ideologically opposed or represent a threat to their power base. 

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2025, 08:06:36 PM »
Back in court today. Judge wants to know how someone can challenge their deportation. DoJ says they can file a habeas brief

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3lkvuqthcfs2i

El Salvador was kind enough to return somebody they didn't think met the criteria, which runs counter to the DoJ saying they're certain everyone they sent was a bad guy (on a flight that shouldn't have left in the first place)

https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lkvyc726qs23

The ineptitude and haphazard method of this first removal just reinforces how dangerous allowing this precedent to stand would be -
'Our client has been disappeared': Lawyer seeks answers on Venezuelan imprisoned with no due process

and this - Haberman says Trump's remarks have upset his own staff and other Republicans

Haberman is a POS who spent the last 4 years sanewashing Trump because of a slight tiff with Biden. She needs to fuck right off.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2025, 08:14:56 PM »
Back in court today. Judge wants to know how someone can challenge their deportation. DoJ says they can file a habeas brief

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3lkvuqthcfs2i

El Salvador was kind enough to return somebody they didn't think met the criteria, which runs counter to the DoJ saying they're certain everyone they sent was a bad guy (on a flight that shouldn't have left in the first place)

https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lkvyc726qs23

The ineptitude and haphazard method of this first removal just reinforces how dangerous allowing this precedent to stand would be -
'Our client has been disappeared': Lawyer seeks answers on Venezuelan imprisoned with no due process

and this - Haberman says Trump's remarks have upset his own staff and other Republicans

There is no ineptitude and haphazardness here at all.  It is highly calculated and deliberate.  It is absolutely the point to deny those legitimately entitled to due process their legislated rights.  It makes the next attack on human rights only a small step beyond this one.  They haven’t even started on incarceration of “the enemy within” - ie Americans who are ideologically opposed or represent a threat to their power base.

But then wouldn't it have been more effective to at least had that first batch of deportees actually be 100% vetted correctly?  With El Salvadore now doing the homework for this administration, it makes the case for 'just trusting them' a lot weaker.  All sorts of stories are coming out about how some aren't even Venezuelan, some are women with no gang ties, and lots of families just confused why a tattoo is enough to get 'disappeared'.   The administration's response "not having paperwork on these guys shows just how bad they were" isn't holding up very well.

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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2025, 08:23:05 PM »
They don't give a crap about people trusting them.  Given that Trump's administration is ignoring the judiciary and congress, who is going to stop them?

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« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2025, 01:42:43 AM »
Back in court today. Judge wants to know how someone can challenge their deportation. DoJ says they can file a habeas brief

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3lkvuqthcfs2i

El Salvador was kind enough to return somebody they didn't think met the criteria, which runs counter to the DoJ saying they're certain everyone they sent was a bad guy (on a flight that shouldn't have left in the first place)

https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lkvyc726qs23

The ineptitude and haphazard method of this first removal just reinforces how dangerous allowing this precedent to stand would be -
'Our client has been disappeared': Lawyer seeks answers on Venezuelan imprisoned with no due process

and this - Haberman says Trump's remarks have upset his own staff and other Republicans

There is no ineptitude and haphazardness here at all.  It is highly calculated and deliberate.  It is absolutely the point to deny those legitimately entitled to due process their legislated rights.  It makes the next attack on human rights only a small step beyond this one.  They haven’t even started on incarceration of “the enemy within” - ie Americans who are ideologically opposed or represent a threat to their power base.

But then wouldn't it have been more effective to at least had that first batch of deportees actually be 100% vetted correctly?  With El Salvadore now doing the homework for this administration, it makes the case for 'just trusting them' a lot weaker.  All sorts of stories are coming out about how some aren't even Venezuelan, some are women with no gang ties, and lots of families just confused why a tattoo is enough to get 'disappeared'.   The administration's response "not having paperwork on these guys shows just how bad they were" isn't holding up very well.

I don't think so. 

Let's say you were a fascist dictator in the making.  What you'd ideally want is to imprison or execute any political opponents and those ideologically opposed to you.  You want to create an ideological vacuum on the opposite side of the political spectrum, since that shores up your ongoing power.  But you can't just go straight out and send your DoJ or assassins after your political opposition.  That would be seen as an egregious breach of power and you'd face an uprising.

Instead you do it bit by bit.  Start with a group of 'undesirables'.  After all, it's them criminal immigrants wots responsible for all them problems wit' our country.  I mean, who could reasonably disagree with that?  But you widen the net.  Some of the deportations happen illegally.  You ignore the law.  You observe which parts of the system are most active in defending the rights of the deportees.  You dismantle the infrastructure supporting that part of the system, limiting its power.

And then you go again.  The net is widened further.  Maybe this time there's deportations coupled with brutal beatings or maybe a whole heap of immigrants, including legal ones, are gunned down for 'resisting deportation'.  Again, observe the parts of the system most active in defending rights.  Dismantle and repeat.

Eventually there is no line between immigrant and citizen, the law is equally impotent in protecting all.  Then perhaps the targets change to those citizens who are 'damaging our way of life'. 

At each stage, the infrastructure supporting the defense of civil rights is stripped further and further away, whilst the power of the police state grows stronger and stronger.  Eventually there is no rule of law other than the dictator's decree.

It's a well worn path.  Spain, Germany, Albania, Yugoslavia, Russia and Chile, to name a few, have all walked its journey.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2025, 01:58:50 AM »
But then wouldn't it have been more effective to at least had that first batch of deportees actually be 100% vetted correctly? 

Doing it well is secondary to proving that you can do it at will.

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« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2025, 01:48:47 PM »
Back in court today. DoJ arguing that defendants can challenge their deportation with a Habeas hearing, but they'd prefer they didn't and are deliberately going out of their way to keep them from the proper jurisdiction to do so.

https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3ll5hxhlwj22t

https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3ll5hzud6uk26

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2025, 10:20:41 AM »
Another person with no criminal history sent to El Salvador, sent with paperwork full of errors.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article302671624.html

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« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2025, 09:36:56 AM »
So Trump is going after student visa holders, including the young woman at Tuffs who was snatched by ICE after having her visa revoked.  It seems that her offenses were: cowriting an op-ed to a student newspaper and hosting a potluck for Palestinian students. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75720q9d7lo

Even allowing for their ridiculously expansive definition of aiding a terrorist group, this seems to be a waste of resources at best.  Aren't there real terrorists or gang members to find?

How they are finding these small targets?  Palantir?


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« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2025, 09:43:12 AM »

How they are finding these small targets?  Palantir?

Israel and pro-Israel groups sending them names.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/14/israel-betar-deportation-list-trump



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« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2025, 09:50:36 AM »
DoJ arguing in court that if they're forced to care about the conditions of the prisons in El Salvador it might hurt our relationship with that country.

https://bsky.app/profile/kyledcheney.bsky.social/post/3llh3fwg6zd2o

Rubio arguing that "we think they might be in a gang based on 'trust me bro'" is enough to deport legal residents.

https://x.com/camilapress/status/1905396651381960739

"This gang is the most dangerous one out there." Cool story. Nobody asked. Tell us how the people you're deporting are connected to this gang. We're still waiting.




« Last Edit: March 28, 2025, 12:29:45 PM by Travis »

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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2025, 12:26:09 PM »
Rubio cracking down on the ruckus.
I love how he spouted off a whole list of questionable activities that, in his pea brain, warrants expulsion of student visa holders.
Especially since the young lady in question had not taken part in any of those activities.
But the ruckus!

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« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2025, 01:14:45 PM »

How they are finding these small targets?  Palantir?

Israel and pro-Israel groups sending them names.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/14/israel-betar-deportation-list-trump

Did some digging, BP/ICE did use Palantir in the first Trump term although the contracts started earlier.  There was reporting that they are using "AI" now, which is likely just Palantir too.  Palantir is a really good spy tool, but it has a questionable record in finding actual criminals.  I'm not disputing The Guardian, I'm sure Betar input was also used.

The amount of data Palantir can scrape up is like big brother.  Ask JP Morgan.  The gap between the CCP and the US is narrowing.

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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2025, 04:24:28 PM »
ICE and DoD have spent $40 million so far on operating the deportation side of Gitmo.

https://archive.li/BvDcD

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/us/politics/migrants-guantanamo-costs.html

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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2025, 09:46:09 PM »
There's confusion as to under what authority the latest 17 'criminals' were deported under, since the AEA is currently in litigation...

Trump administration says it deported 17 more ‘violent criminals’ to El Salvador (Associated Press)

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The Trump administration said Monday that it has deported 17 more “violent criminals” from the Tren de Aragua and MS-13 gangs to El Salvador, as it doubles down on a policy of removing people from the U.S. to countries other than their own despite criticism over lack of transparency and human rights issues.

Trump has claimed the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua is invading the United States and invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, a wartime authority that allows the president broader leeway on policy and executive action to speed up mass deportations. He sent dozens of people to El Salvador before a judge barred further deportations under the act’s authority. The administration is now asking the Supreme Court to allow it to resume those deportations.

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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2025, 11:32:11 PM »
ICE confirming they sent someone to El Salvador by mistake, but also still trying to argue that the court can't compel them to send the guy back to the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

https://archive.li/JNvjh

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« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2025, 04:40:49 AM »
ICE confirming they sent someone to El Salvador by mistake, but also still trying to argue that the court can't compel them to send the guy back to the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

https://archive.li/JNvjh

How is this not some kind of human-rights-violation or breaking some kind of international law?????

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« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2025, 06:17:07 AM »
ICE confirming they sent someone to El Salvador by mistake, but also still trying to argue that the court can't compel them to send the guy back to the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

https://archive.li/JNvjh

How is this not some kind of human-rights-violation or breaking some kind of international law?????

Well, the US is not a member of the International Criminal Court, so Trump doesn't even have to declare that we're withdrawing.

https://www.coalitionfortheicc.org/country/united-states

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« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2025, 07:25:43 AM »
ICE confirming they sent someone to El Salvador by mistake, but also still trying to argue that the court can't compel them to send the guy back to the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

https://archive.li/JNvjh

How is this not some kind of human-rights-violation or breaking some kind of international law?????

The administration is clearly and brazenly breaking multiple constitutional protections with these deportations, but apparently the opposition is so punch drunk and slow to the draw that they have not figured out how to stop it.  One side is daring the judicial branch to 'defend these thugs', while the other side is still carefully playing by the rules and crafting a message...

Here is more reporting on just how heinous this mistake was - Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported and sent to mega prison (CNN)

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The Trump administration conceded in a court filing Monday that it mistakenly deported a Maryland father to El Salvador “because of an administrative error” and argued it could not return him because he’s now in Salvadoran custody.

The filing stems from a lawsuit over the removal of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national who in 2019 was granted protected status by an immigration judge, prohibiting the federal government from sending him to El Salvador.
 

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« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2025, 07:31:15 AM »
Whoopsies happen.  That's the beauty of there being no due process or method of appeal.  They happen, but then there are no repercussions.

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« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2025, 08:20:52 AM »
ICE confirming they sent someone to El Salvador by mistake, but also still trying to argue that the court can't compel them to send the guy back to the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

https://archive.li/JNvjh

How is this not some kind of human-rights-violation or breaking some kind of international law?????

The administration is clearly and brazenly breaking multiple constitutional protections with these deportations, but apparently the opposition is so punch drunk and slow to the draw that they have not figured out how to stop it.  One side is daring the judicial branch to 'defend these thugs', while the other side is still carefully playing by the rules and crafting a message...

Here is more reporting on just how heinous this mistake was - Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported and sent to mega prison (CNN)

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The Trump administration conceded in a court filing Monday that it mistakenly deported a Maryland father to El Salvador “because of an administrative error” and argued it could not return him because he’s now in Salvadoran custody.

The filing stems from a lawsuit over the removal of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national who in 2019 was granted protected status by an immigration judge, prohibiting the federal government from sending him to El Salvador.
 

This infuriates me.

As the deportee's lawyer points out, the govt is paying the foreign prison US$6 million to house the deportees. They could ask for the guy back and withhold payment until he's delivered. They're not "powerless" to fix their mistake.

Courts need to start demanding responsibility.

And there should be consequences. Imho the general pattern is an attempt to flout courts, by someone who's made a career out of that. A start would be enjoining the administration to demand return of the erroneously deported person, even though this modest compliance would be a fairly modest consequence.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2025, 08:22:41 AM by BicycleB »

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« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2025, 10:16:27 AM »
Perhaps the victim of that illegal deportation could probably have a valid asylum claim in a first-world country, such as Canada?

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« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2025, 12:23:34 PM »
Leavitt up on her pulpit arguing that the error was simply paperwork, and he's totally a gang member, trust us.

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1907106368143692169

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1907106824853066104

The "evidence."

https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3llrdgrmpgk2v
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« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2025, 12:33:58 PM »
I suspect that it's not going to be long before we issue a travel advisory for Canadians going to the US.  We're already being told not to bring any electronic devices (burner phones are recommended) as immigration officers can seize them without cause and then search your social media for unflattering posts related to Donald Trump.

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« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2025, 03:09:34 PM »
Welcome to Fascism.

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« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2025, 01:16:25 PM »
Judge orders Kilmar Garcia returned to the US.  I imagine this will result in a couple more weeks of delays, hand-wringing, and appeals by the DoJ.

https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3llz3qsz3oc25

Response by the WH Press Secretary: not if we don't want to.

https://x.com/seungminkim/status/1908275597005963525
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« Reply #76 on: April 05, 2025, 04:05:38 PM »
One of the lawyers working these cases on behalf of the DoJ fired for not wanting to step on ethical land mines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/05/us/politics/justice-dept-immigration-lawyer-leave.html

https://archive.ph/yvI2p

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« Reply #77 on: April 05, 2025, 04:19:58 PM »
One of the lawyers working these cases on behalf of the DoJ fired for not wanting to step on ethical land mines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/05/us/politics/justice-dept-immigration-lawyer-leave.html

https://archive.ph/yvI2p

Let's hope he gets mad enough about the besmirching of his reputation to flip and start defending some of these folks.

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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2025, 09:49:10 AM »
60 Minutes did a nice piece on the initial 238 migrants deported to El Salvador - What records show about the migrants sent to Salvadoran mega-prison

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Three weeks ago 238 Venezuelan migrants were flown from Texas to a maximum security prison in El Salvador that country's president offered to take them and the Trump administration used a law not invoked since World War II to send them claiming they are all terrorists and violent gang members.  The government has released very little information about the men, but through internal government documents we've obtained a list of their identities and found that an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even criminal charges.  They are now prisoners - among them a makeup artist, a soccer player, and a food delivery driver being held in a place so harsh that El Salvador's justice minister once said the only way out is in a coffin

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« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2025, 11:13:38 AM »
Not Alien Enemies Act, but a British woman was detained for more than two weeks by ICE.  Ironically US travel advisories warn about this sort capricious enforcement happens in other countries.

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Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/i-was-a-british-tourist-trying-to-leave-america-then-i-was-detained-shackled-and-sent-to-an-immigration-detention-centre

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« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2025, 02:00:05 PM »
The fascism is being noticed.  Travel to the US seems to be taking a nosedive - https://www.axios.com/2025/04/04/foreign-visits-american-airports-travel-warnings.

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« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2025, 05:18:04 PM »
Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that as long as everyone gets a Habeas hearing in the right jurisdiction, these deportations can continue.  Minority opinion points out right away that the government intentionally bounces people from state to state and then says once they're out of the country they're gone, sucks to suck.

https://apnews.com/9988b667199e1b02fc0a6a83570225c1

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf

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« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2025, 07:49:03 PM »
Yeah, that Supreme Court ruling is a mess - Supreme Court allows Trump to enforce Alien Enemies Act for rapid deportations for now (CNN)

It gives the government cover to continue expedited deportations while somehow trusting that they will give suspects sufficient time to challenge their being held prior to deportation.  As this administration has shown, they'll come up with some flimsy justification as to how they've complied as they continue to run roughshod over civil liberties, common decency in many cases, and the rule of law.  I guess we have to hope lower court litigation grinds out some wins.

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« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2025, 08:19:18 PM »
It's not a mess.  It's an enabler for state sanctioned human rights abuses.

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2025, 02:49:06 PM »
Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that as long as everyone gets a Habeas hearing in the right jurisdiction, these deportations can continue.  Minority opinion points out right away that the government intentionally bounces people from state to state and then says once they're out of the country they're gone, sucks to suck.

https://apnews.com/9988b667199e1b02fc0a6a83570225c1

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf

I can't believe that they just ignored that we're not actually at war, nor being invaded.  Seems like a no-brainer.

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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2025, 03:24:21 PM »
To be fair, the Supreme Court did not review and pass judgment on the case, they only ruled on a technical basis that there were improper grounds on which the judgement was brought (or something like that, I'm not a lawyer).  Something about the jurisdiction being Texas and not DC or maybe the other way around, but they did go the extra mile to require habeas reviews going forward...

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« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2025, 06:46:40 PM »
To be fair, the Supreme Court did not review and pass judgment on the case, they only ruled on a technical basis that there were improper grounds on which the judgement was brought (or something like that, I'm not a lawyer).  Something about the jurisdiction being Texas and not DC or maybe the other way around, but they did go the extra mile to require habeas reviews going forward...

I get that the Supreme Court likes to rule on narrow grounds and many things (like this) are temporary stays while further arguments play out.  I think this is generally a good approach.  Not every case needs to set a grand precedent, and minor procedural items get taken by the news as some grand rebuke.

However, I take a massive issue with this one.

We have a person being denied fundamental due process and being sent to a maximum security prison outside of the country with zero potential recourse against those that did it to him.

If you want to put something temporary in place, it should start from the point of the person being in the country with access to his lawyer.  Further arguments can continue while he's not being denied fundamental freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2025, 07:07:58 PM »
The lack of due process is surely entirely the point.

It's part of the fascism playbook.

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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2025, 08:58:42 PM »
To be fair, the Supreme Court did not review and pass judgment on the case, they only ruled on a technical basis that there were improper grounds on which the judgement was brought (or something like that, I'm not a lawyer).  Something about the jurisdiction being Texas and not DC or maybe the other way around, but they did go the extra mile to require habeas reviews going forward...

I get that the Supreme Court likes to rule on narrow grounds and many things (like this) are temporary stays while further arguments play out.  I think this is generally a good approach.  Not every case needs to set a grand precedent, and minor procedural items get taken by the news as some grand rebuke.

However, I take a massive issue with this one.

We have a person being denied fundamental due process and being sent to a maximum security prison outside of the country with zero potential recourse against those that did it to him.

If you want to put something temporary in place, it should start from the point of the person being in the country with access to his lawyer.  Further arguments can continue while he's not being denied fundamental freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

I agree with you fully, this is a hair on fire emergency that stains us indelibly every day it continues.  I was just making a comment in response to the post above mine, that there should have been a ruling since we are pretty obviously not at war with Venezuela...

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« Reply #89 on: April 10, 2025, 11:45:31 AM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB


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« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2025, 12:17:33 PM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB

Love that ICE men are wearing masks while performing these illegal arrests without cause/paperwork.  Shows that they know full well that what is going on is wrong, but are happy to do it.

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« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2025, 12:33:46 PM »
The government finally presented its evidence against Khalil. It's a memo from Rubio arguing that his views are anti-Semitic. That's it.

https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-university-trump-c60738368171289ae43177660def8d34

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« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2025, 12:41:48 PM »
ICE trying to force its way into an L.A. school to arrest kidnap students.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lmi5bae2tz24

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« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2025, 01:36:37 PM »
Another oopsie from Pam - Justice Department dropping charges against man they accused of being MS-13’s ‘leader for the East Coast’

The funniest part is, the single firearm charge is allowing this 'horrible threat' to avoid being disappeared.  The defendant is fighting to keep this criminal charge!  Look look, I've unlawfully got another gun and I'm jay walking!!

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“The undersigned is keenly aware of the unusual nature of this motion,” he wrote. “But these are unusual times.”

According to court documents unsealed last month in the Eastern District of Virginia, Villatoro Santos was taken into custody on an outstanding administrative immigration warrant. He was also charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Federal agents found several firearms in the residence.

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« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2025, 02:15:32 AM »
Another oopsie from Pam - Justice Department dropping charges against man they accused of being MS-13’s ‘leader for the East Coast’

The funniest part is, the single firearm charge is allowing this 'horrible threat' to avoid being disappeared.  The defendant is fighting to keep this criminal charge!  Look look, I've unlawfully got another gun and I'm jay walking!!

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“The undersigned is keenly aware of the unusual nature of this motion,” he wrote. “But these are unusual times.”

According to court documents unsealed last month in the Eastern District of Virginia, Villatoro Santos was taken into custody on an outstanding administrative immigration warrant. He was also charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Federal agents found several firearms in the residence.
The government doesn't want him in the US justice system over fears of what might come out about MS13's shady dealings with President Bukele of El Salvador, who made a secret deal with MS13 to help him get elected.

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« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2025, 07:43:05 AM »
Things are really coming to a head - Supreme Court says Trump must ‘facilitate’ return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador

This isn't to say that the Trump administration will actually get this guy back any time soon (Stephen Miller is out saying El Salvador has jurisdiction, not US courts), but it's starting to shine a much brighter and hard to ignore light how unlawful and corrupt this administration is when they can't (or won't) comply with the Supreme Court.  I have to believe even average Americans can understand not being able to get an erroneously disappeared green card holder back when the Supreme Court says you have to is a concern.
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« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2025, 10:01:16 AM »
DoJ tried to file a motion to delay action on the Garcia case - by having someone not in the federal bar sign off on the doc.

https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielmalor.bsky.social/post/3lmk6qxhogt2y

And the DoJ says they're not in a hurry to comply.

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1910729982898552990
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« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2025, 10:38:26 AM »
Why would DOJ be in a hurry to comply.  There's literally no repercussion if they don't.

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« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2025, 04:39:59 PM »
DoJ formally taking the position that they have no power to bring Garcia back. Of course, they've never even bothered to ask either.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:t4x2ruk2qmob2b2cx55h4v7r/post/3lmsl6if3722y?ref_src=embed

And the number of people snatched off the street and disappeared into the gulag continues to grow. Being a brown-skinned refugee seems to be the only criteria.

https://documentedny.com/2025/04/14/ice-bukele-cecot-tren-de-aragua-el-salvador-new-york-deported/

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« Reply #99 on: April 15, 2025, 07:05:49 AM »
The document, called the “Alien Enemy Validation Guide,” instructs immigration officials to use a point system to identify members of Tren de Aragua. Eight points makes someone a “validated” member of the group. Having tattoos associated with the gang is worth four points.

Wearing clothing associated with the gang is worth another four.

A second government document indicates that the administration considers a crown tattoo — much like the one worn by soccer star Lionel Messi — and the “Jump Man” symbol, popularized by Michael Jordan, to be Tren de Aragua symbols.

Clothing associated with the gang includes “high-end urban street wear.”


So having a crown tattoo and wearing "high-end urban street wear" is apparently enough to declare someone a member of Tren de Aragua. I guess that explains how the gay makeup artist profiled in the 60-minutes segment linked earlier got declared a Tren de Aragua member (he had crown tattoos with the words "mom" and "dad"). This is all horrifying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/world/americas/trump-migrants-deportations.html?smid=nytcore-android-share