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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2025, 03:39:05 PM »
Another Garcia hearing just started. DHS said if they complied with the court order to facilitate his return, they'd do it - and then deport him somewhere else. Which is another court order violation since he already has a six year old order on the books that he can't be deported at all.

https://x.com/jakemrosen/status/1912232918358933741

Also, the DoJ lawyer overseeing the case has been fired.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2025, 08:49:11 AM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB

Love that ICE men are wearing masks while performing these illegal arrests without cause/paperwork.  Shows that they know full well that what is going on is wrong, but are happy to do it.

Seems inevitable that some ICE agents will get shot up taking this approach eventually. Actually - maybe this is the quiet plan to justify even more egregious laws.

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« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2025, 03:39:47 PM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB

Love that ICE men are wearing masks while performing these illegal arrests without cause/paperwork.  Shows that they know full well that what is going on is wrong, but are happy to do it.

Seems inevitable that some ICE agents will get shot up taking this approach eventually. Actually - maybe this is the quiet plan to justify even more egregious laws.

Sadly this is the fiction that the gun industry has sold us. Unless you have a trained, Black Panther-style militia ready to defend people about to be deported, anyone planning to barricade themselves or keep a gun on their person is not going to succeed. This story has been played out thousands of times in American history, and no one wins against the black helicopters and swat. Remember too that most immigrants come from countries where keeping a gun was illegal, prohibitively expensive, and mostly regarded as something only a criminal would do. Finally, most immigrants came here to raise a family in peace, not get them all shot.

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« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2025, 04:44:59 PM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB

Love that ICE men are wearing masks while performing these illegal arrests without cause/paperwork.  Shows that they know full well that what is going on is wrong, but are happy to do it.

Seems inevitable that some ICE agents will get shot up taking this approach eventually. Actually - maybe this is the quiet plan to justify even more egregious laws.

Sadly this is the fiction that the gun industry has sold us. Unless you have a trained, Black Panther-style militia ready to defend people about to be deported, anyone planning to barricade themselves or keep a gun on their person is not going to succeed. This story has been played out thousands of times in American history, and no one wins against the black helicopters and swat. Remember too that most immigrants come from countries where keeping a gun was illegal, prohibitively expensive, and mostly regarded as something only a criminal would do. Finally, most immigrants came here to raise a family in peace, not get them all shot.

Just Joe didn't say they would succeed in the end or elude ICE. I don't think immigrants will fight the government/ICE agents successfully. They won't win against the black helicopters. However, there are a lot of guns out there and many people who carry and have access to them. With people being smash and grabbed and taken to who knows where, I could easily see someone getting a gun and carrying it and eventually using it. It would definitely feed into the propaganda and make everything worse.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2025, 04:57:31 PM »
The irony is that the people deported to El Salvador were ostensibly members of a violent Venezuelan gang yet not a single one of them brandished a weapon while being rounded up by ICE?

Meanwhile, several people who were pardoned by Trump for invading the Capitol on January 6 did brandish weapons during recent traffic stops and were executed by police.
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« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2025, 05:06:30 PM »
ICE couldn't burst into someone's home to arrest them (without a warrant), so they ambushed her on the street and smashed their way into her car.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/video-ice-arrest-wesminster-elsy-noemi-berrios-QJ7CIME76ZGPZEBW5C3REEPZ6E

https://archive.li/AkQNB

Love that ICE men are wearing masks while performing these illegal arrests without cause/paperwork.  Shows that they know full well that what is going on is wrong, but are happy to do it.

Seems inevitable that some ICE agents will get shot up taking this approach eventually. Actually - maybe this is the quiet plan to justify even more egregious laws.

Sadly this is the fiction that the gun industry has sold us. Unless you have a trained, Black Panther-style militia ready to defend people about to be deported, anyone planning to barricade themselves or keep a gun on their person is not going to succeed. This story has been played out thousands of times in American history, and no one wins against the black helicopters and swat. Remember too that most immigrants come from countries where keeping a gun was illegal, prohibitively expensive, and mostly regarded as something only a criminal would do. Finally, most immigrants came here to raise a family in peace, not get them all shot.

Just Joe didn't say they would succeed in the end or elude ICE. I don't think immigrants will fight the government/ICE agents successfully. They won't win against the black helicopters. However, there are a lot of guns out there and many people who carry and have access to them. With people being smash and grabbed and taken to who knows where, I could easily see someone getting a gun and carrying it and eventually using it. It would definitely feed into the propaganda and make everything worse.

This is basically what the black panthers were founded to do. They patrolled oakland neighborhood to challenge police brutality.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2025, 05:17:40 PM »
The irony is that the people deported to El Salvador were ostensibly members of a violent Venezuelan gang yet not a single one of them brandished a weapon while being rounded up by ICE?

Meanwhile, several people who were pardoned by Trump for invading the Capitol on January 6 did brandish weapons during recent traffic stops and were executed by police.

Seriously. Watching the patience and care the lady had for her daughter who recorded her being kidnapped was heartbreaking. All she was concerned about was her daughter not being taken as well and being ok. Such a dichotomy.

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« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2025, 07:45:41 PM »
What is going on here?!

U.S.-born American citizen under ICE hold in Florida after driving from Georgia

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Juan Carlos Gomez-Lopez is being held even though a county judge found his birth certificate “authentic” and said there wasn’t reason to consider him an “illegal alien.”

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« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2025, 07:53:18 PM »
What is going on here?!

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Juan Carlos Gomez-Lopez is being held even though a county judge found his birth certificate “authentic” and said there wasn’t reason to consider him an “illegal alien.”

The white nationalists have taken over.

Seriously, if you're brown, carry around your US passport and a copy of your birth certificate. Even then, it might not be enough.

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« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2025, 09:43:18 PM »
And keep copies with a relative in case the gov't "loses" your's...

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« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2025, 10:52:58 PM »
What is going on here?!

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Juan Carlos Gomez-Lopez is being held even though a county judge found his birth certificate “authentic” and said there wasn’t reason to consider him an “illegal alien.”

Fascism. 

It's still early stages from fascist playbook.  But it's a well worn path that many other countries have experienced.  The US would be the odd one out if its citizens got out of this without much, much worse to come.  Fascism is what's going on here.

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« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2025, 04:38:53 AM »
Seriously, if you're brown, carry around your US passport and a copy of your birth certificate. Even then, it might not be enough.

Sadly, this is not hyperbole.  My immigrant spouse is paying for and applying for the passport plastic "card" to keep in the wallet, specifically for this reason, even though we have no other need for it (no plans on crossing land borders in North America.)

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« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2025, 06:33:38 AM »

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« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2025, 07:04:14 AM »
What is going on here?!

U.S.-born American citizen under ICE hold in Florida after driving from Georgia

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Juan Carlos Gomez-Lopez is being held even though a county judge found his birth certificate “authentic” and said there wasn’t reason to consider him an “illegal alien.”

He was released after a few hours, thankfully:
https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-citizen-released-from-jail-after-arrest-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/

Still, it's terrifying. He was a passenger in a car that was pulled over in a traffic stop, and the cops assumed he was an illegal immigrant and arrested him purely because he was brown and didn't speak English.

You have to wonder whether they released him because this case immediately drew protests and media attention. If not for that, there's no telling what could have happened.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #114 on: April 18, 2025, 07:38:56 AM »
They're coming for the white ladies too:

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-woman-gets-homeland-security-email-leave-country-despite-being-us-citizen/3545821/

This could happen to any of us.

You can bet that scammers will mimic that letter.  It will be the new Nigerian Prince.  But, will anyone in the administration chase them down?

How laughable that we have to re-learn why official business isn't conducted via email--just because they are in a hurry.

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« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2025, 09:35:26 AM »

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« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2025, 03:38:49 PM »
Looks like the Supreme Court is shutting down Trump's 'one weird trick' to disappear Venezuelans -

What to know about the Supreme Court’s midnight Alien Enemies Act order
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In a rare overnight order handed down by the Supreme Court early Saturday morning, a majority of justices blocked the Trump administration from deporting a group of immigrants in Texas. Two conservatives — Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito — dissented from the decision.

The court’s brief order did not explain its reasoning. The court ordered the Trump administration to respond to the emergency appeal “as soon as possible,” which it did later Saturday. In the meantime, the court said, “The government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this court.”

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« Reply #118 on: April 20, 2025, 04:39:20 PM »
Looks like the Supreme Court is shutting down Trump's 'one weird trick' to disappear Venezuelans -

What to know about the Supreme Court’s midnight Alien Enemies Act order
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In a rare overnight order handed down by the Supreme Court early Saturday morning, a majority of justices blocked the Trump administration from deporting a group of immigrants in Texas. Two conservatives — Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito — dissented from the decision.

The court’s brief order did not explain its reasoning. The court ordered the Trump administration to respond to the emergency appeal “as soon as possible,” which it did later Saturday. In the meantime, the court said, “The government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this court.”

Alito's dissent criticized, among other points, that the case hadn't made its way through lower courts yet.

As if the government was going to stand by while the courts weighed it out

As if this issue hasn't already been flagrantly mishandled by the government

As if there was some remedy should the government deport the plaintiffs, and the court rules for them later

As if the Supreme Court hadn't heard a raft of government petitions without going through the full process

As if the Supreme Court hadn't already limited the jurisdiction of lower court orders (the immediate issue is in Texas, but why re-litigatw this for every potential detention center?)

The transparent stalling / gaslighted is just ridiculous.  If this was a novel, I would have already stopped reading because it wasn't believable.

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« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2025, 05:27:18 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/20/us-citizen-jose-hermosillo-border-patrol

These ice agents either have a quota to fill or they're just racist dicks.

ETA Never mind. Even if there is a quota you'd have to be a racist dick to fill it. Anyone with a conscience should have quit by now. I hope they all get measles.
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« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2025, 06:08:39 PM »
Trump going to expand the terrorist list to include Haitians

I don't know why likely-Antichrist Trump is doing one-offs and not just issuing a single uber-Executive Order that labels anyone from his list of "shithole countries" to be terrorists. Might as well add scientists, academics, democratic voters, and residents of blue states to the list too.

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« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2025, 06:09:51 PM »

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« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2025, 07:18:33 AM »
Seriously, if you're brown, carry around your US passport and a copy of your birth certificate. Even then, it might not be enough.

Sadly, this is not hyperbole.  My immigrant spouse is paying for and applying for the passport plastic "card" to keep in the wallet, specifically for this reason, even though we have no other need for it (no plans on crossing land borders in North America.)

Honestly, this is not about rules - it's tribal warfare.  The way to avoid abuse and harassment is to clearly identify as a member and supporter of the ruling tribe.  He would likely be safer if he just bought and wore a MAGA hat everywhere he went.

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« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2025, 09:41:24 AM »
ICE/CBP arresting citizens and holding them for 10 days at a time (and lying on the paperwork).  This one is in Arizona. There was another two weeks ago in Florida, and one a few days ago in NY.

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/

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« Reply #124 on: April 21, 2025, 09:53:08 AM »
Seriously, if you're brown, carry around your US passport and a copy of your birth certificate. Even then, it might not be enough.

Sadly, this is not hyperbole.  My immigrant spouse is paying for and applying for the passport plastic "card" to keep in the wallet, specifically for this reason, even though we have no other need for it (no plans on crossing land borders in North America.)

Honestly, this is not about rules - it's tribal warfare.  The way to avoid abuse and harassment is to clearly identify as a member and supporter of the ruling tribe.  He would likely be safer if he just bought and wore a MAGA hat everywhere he went.

This is probably the reason why every protest I've been to has been predominantly female, white, and over 60.  People are weighing their personal risks and staying home. The last one I was at a few people were wearing masks and sunglasses so their maga family members wouldn't recognize them in pictures.

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« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2025, 10:28:46 AM »
DoJ in court today arguing that they didn't think SCOTUS meant that "facilitate" required them to work with El Salvador, just domestic hurdles. Except, you know, the only domestic hurdles are the DoJ not giving a shit.

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lnfvje7vik2d

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« Reply #127 on: April 29, 2025, 11:58:08 AM »
DoJ: if you block us and we just transfer the work to the DoD, the restraining order doesn't count.

Plaintiff: Watch this move

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« Reply #128 on: April 30, 2025, 08:15:23 PM »
DoJ: if you block us and we just transfer the work to the DoD, the restraining order doesn't count.

Plaintiff: Watch this move

https://bsky.app/profile/rparloff.bsky.social/post/3lnxj4han3c2l

Listing 40 government agencies is both ridiculous and hilariously on point.  Is it even be a serious legal argument that an order could pertain only to one department of this "unitary" executive?  It seems like a judge should tell the government lawyers that they're wasting the court's time.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #129 on: April 30, 2025, 08:34:54 PM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

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« Reply #130 on: April 30, 2025, 11:57:12 PM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

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« Reply #131 on: May 01, 2025, 02:42:59 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

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« Reply #132 on: May 01, 2025, 07:33:25 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

So now that it's been made abundantly clear that Trump's administration will defy the SC, and we've been shown ample evidence that congress is uninterested in holding Trump to follow the constitution . . . what happens?

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« Reply #133 on: May 01, 2025, 09:27:01 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

So now that it's been made abundantly clear that Trump's administration will defy the SC, and we've been shown ample evidence that congress is uninterested in holding Trump to follow the constitution . . . what happens?

Not much.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #134 on: May 01, 2025, 09:40:23 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

So now that it's been made abundantly clear that Trump's administration will defy the SC, and we've been shown ample evidence that congress is uninterested in holding Trump to follow the constitution . . . what happens?

Not much.

One might think (or at least hope) that our well informed populace would see the examples of freedoms being trampled and raise up some resistance.  So far these growing examples of kids with cancer, legal citizens, and questionable MS13 allegations being denied due process are met with a collective ... meh

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #135 on: May 01, 2025, 09:58:54 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

Trump, Leavitt, and Bondi all told the press that "El Salvador is a sovereign country and we can't make them do anything." That was after they tried the "the Constitution stops over the Gulf" defense.

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« Reply #136 on: May 01, 2025, 11:01:37 AM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

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« Reply #137 on: May 01, 2025, 11:49:58 AM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

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« Reply #138 on: May 01, 2025, 11:53:00 AM »
Trump now saying he could bring the 'mistakenly deported' Abrego Garcia Maryland man back, but has decided not to (which is brazenly in defiance of the Supreme Court) - Trump says he ‘could’ bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, but won’t

Things are definitely coming to a head with the affronts to the rule of law.  In a similar vein, the Senate narrowly lost a vote to send over to the House a resolution to end the emergency authority behind the tariffs - Vice President Vance casts tie-breaking Senate vote to kill bipartisan effort to rebuke Trump’s trade policy

Not that anyone expects a course correction toward actually Making America Great Again, but maybe making it less historically terrible is a win at this point...

Funny how the story shifted from "We can't" to "I don't want to."

I dunno, I don't remember anyone in the executive branch ever saying they had no power to bring folks back from CECOT. They just didn't want to, and were sticking to the argument that courts had no power to order it because once the prisoners leave US soil it becomes a diplomatic issue and courts have historically had no power to order diplomats to do much of anything.

Trump, Leavitt, and Bondi all told the press that "El Salvador is a sovereign country and we can't make them do anything." That was after they tried the "the Constitution stops over the Gulf" defense.

The first thing they could do is stop paying El Salvador to house them.

Of course, it's all BS.  They just want us to move on and forget about them.

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« Reply #139 on: May 01, 2025, 12:13:56 PM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

Articles of impeachment have been introduced and those of us who are calling Congress regularly are asking our reps to act on them. You can do this too.

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« Reply #140 on: May 01, 2025, 12:19:32 PM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

Articles of impeachment have been introduced and those of us who are calling Congress regularly are asking our reps to act on them. You can do this too.

I guess GuitarStv could do that... but being a Canadian it will matter even less... Now, if Canada became the USA's cherished 51st State, he could have a lot more sway!

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« Reply #141 on: May 01, 2025, 12:28:56 PM »
So the best approach is begging the people in power who are totally fine with what Trump is doing to turn on him by strongly worded email?  Yikes.  That plan is foolproof enough to have been written by Chuck Schumer.

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« Reply #142 on: May 01, 2025, 12:38:03 PM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

Next step is another SCOTUS case where Trump can call them radical Leftists

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« Reply #143 on: May 01, 2025, 12:55:05 PM »
It is beyond naive to think that the general population has any ability whatsoever to do anything about the blatant illegality exhibited every day by the Trump administration. Hell, even those in Congress opposed to Trump have no ability to do a single thing to stop him. Protests? What will that accomplish (other than possibly endangering yourself and your own liberties)? Calling your representative to tell them how you feel? They already know, and they have no ability or no desire to do anything about it. U.S. Senator Cory Booker gave a much-lauded 25+ hour speech and guess what it accomplished? Nothing at all. Another U.S. Senator traveled to El Salvador to meet with one of the prisoners being illegal held there, and guess what changed? Nothing.

Elections matter, and our misguided populace elected Trump and his ilk. There's nothing that can be done about it until -- or more likely, unless there is -- a future election. How is it not registering that the Trumpublicans control all branches of government, and they are pleased to do whatever they want to tear down laws, rights, freedoms, government order, fairness, history, science, medicine, traditions, and decency?

The Trump administration and his enablers in Congress and the courts could not give a Single F*ck about what you or I think. On the contrary, many take glee in causing grief for those who are bothered by this administration's actions. Banging on a drum and chanting with protest signs and calling or emailing representatives is as useful as pissing in the wind. And violence clearly is no answer and would be just as futile.

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« Reply #144 on: May 01, 2025, 12:56:44 PM »
It is beyond naive to think that the general population has any ability whatsoever to do anything about the blatant illegality exhibited every day by the Trump administration. Hell, even those in Congress opposed to Trump have no ability to do a single thing to stop him. Protests? What will that accomplish (other than possibly endangering yourself and your own liberties)? Calling your representative to tell them how you feel? They already know, and they have no ability or no desire to do anything about it. U.S. Senator Cory Booker gave a much-lauded 25+ hour speech and guess what it accomplished? Nothing at all. Another U.S. Senator traveled to El Salvador to meet with one of the prisoners being illegal held there, and guess what changed? Nothing.

Elections matter, and our misguided populace elected Trump and his ilk. There's nothing that can be done about it until -- or more likely, unless there is -- a future election. How is it not registering that the Trumpublicans control all branches of government, and they are pleased to do whatever they want to tear down laws, rights, freedoms, government order, fairness, history, science, medicine, traditions, and decency?

The Trump administration and his enablers in Congress and the courts could not give a Single F*ck about what you or I think. On the contrary, many take glee in causing grief for those who are bothered by this administration's actions. Banging on a drum and chanting with protest signs and calling or emailing representatives is as useful as pissing in the wind. And violence clearly is no answer and would be just as futile.

So, you are saying there is absolutely nothing to be done, to be clear?


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« Reply #145 on: May 01, 2025, 01:07:09 PM »
It is beyond naive to think that the general population has any ability whatsoever to do anything about the blatant illegality exhibited every day by the Trump administration. Hell, even those in Congress opposed to Trump have no ability to do a single thing to stop him. Protests? What will that accomplish (other than possibly endangering yourself and your own liberties)? Calling your representative to tell them how you feel? They already know, and they have no ability or no desire to do anything about it. U.S. Senator Cory Booker gave a much-lauded 25+ hour speech and guess what it accomplished? Nothing at all. Another U.S. Senator traveled to El Salvador to meet with one of the prisoners being illegal held there, and guess what changed? Nothing.

Elections matter, and our misguided populace elected Trump and his ilk. There's nothing that can be done about it until -- or more likely, unless there is -- a future election. How is it not registering that the Trumpublicans control all branches of government, and they are pleased to do whatever they want to tear down laws, rights, freedoms, government order, fairness, history, science, medicine, traditions, and decency?

The Trump administration and his enablers in Congress and the courts could not give a Single F*ck about what you or I think. On the contrary, many take glee in causing grief for those who are bothered by this administration's actions. Banging on a drum and chanting with protest signs and calling or emailing representatives is as useful as pissing in the wind. And violence clearly is no answer and would be just as futile.

So, you are saying there is absolutely nothing to be done, to be clear?

Unfortunately, for us regular folks, yes. We can do our best to take care of ourselves, our families, our neighbors and friends. I think economic boycotts have some ability to possibly move the needle a bit, as we've seen with Tesla and Musk. And if we have a chance in a future election to replace Trump and those like him, we can vote against them. But the deck is seriously stacked in favor of the Trumpublican party and only getting worse, so elections in the future may be entirely performative as in Russia. And again -- people all over the world are gravitating to this lawless, populist stance, so even if the deck wasn't stacked, I'm not sure it would be a favorable outcome.

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« Reply #146 on: May 01, 2025, 01:15:44 PM »
It is beyond naive to think that the general population has any ability whatsoever to do anything about the blatant illegality exhibited every day by the Trump administration. Hell, even those in Congress opposed to Trump have no ability to do a single thing to stop him. Protests? What will that accomplish (other than possibly endangering yourself and your own liberties)? Calling your representative to tell them how you feel? They already know, and they have no ability or no desire to do anything about it. U.S. Senator Cory Booker gave a much-lauded 25+ hour speech and guess what it accomplished? Nothing at all. Another U.S. Senator traveled to El Salvador to meet with one of the prisoners being illegal held there, and guess what changed? Nothing.

Elections matter, and our misguided populace elected Trump and his ilk. There's nothing that can be done about it until -- or more likely, unless there is -- a future election. How is it not registering that the Trumpublicans control all branches of government, and they are pleased to do whatever they want to tear down laws, rights, freedoms, government order, fairness, history, science, medicine, traditions, and decency?

The Trump administration and his enablers in Congress and the courts could not give a Single F*ck about what you or I think. On the contrary, many take glee in causing grief for those who are bothered by this administration's actions. Banging on a drum and chanting with protest signs and calling or emailing representatives is as useful as pissing in the wind. And violence clearly is no answer and would be just as futile.

So, you are saying there is absolutely nothing to be done, to be clear?

Unfortunately, for us regular folks, yes. We can do our best to take care of ourselves, our families, our neighbors and friends. I think economic boycotts have some ability to possibly move the needle a bit, as we've seen with Tesla and Musk. And if we have a chance in a future election to replace Trump and those like him, we can vote against them. But the deck is seriously stacked in favor of the Trumpublican party and only getting worse, so elections in the future may be entirely performative as in Russia. And again -- people all over the world are gravitating to this lawless, populist stance, so even if the deck wasn't stacked, I'm not sure it would be a favorable outcome.

I don't agree. Silence implies consent. We need to be loud, as loud as we can be. And as disruptive as possible.

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« Reply #147 on: May 01, 2025, 01:58:28 PM »
“IF we have another election” is the new “I’m moving to Canada” for liberal voters.

If we don’t have elections, we are in a WAR, motherfuckers.

Also, stop saying shit like this while not doing shit.

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« Reply #148 on: May 01, 2025, 02:00:23 PM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

Articles of impeachment have been introduced and those of us who are calling Congress regularly are asking our reps to act on them. You can do this too.

I guess GuitarStv could do that... but being a Canadian it will matter even less... Now, if Canada became the USA's cherished 51st State, he could have a lot more sway!

Sorry I always mix up @GuitarStv and @ChpBstrd. Not sure they’ve ever been seen together in the same room.
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« Reply #149 on: May 01, 2025, 02:49:36 PM »
Texas Republican judge rules Trump's use of the AEA is illegal.

https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lo4ncaj6ex2a

So . . . they will continue to ignore and then what?  That's the question nobody wants to find an answer to.  The president is (in character) doing shit he's not legally allowed to.  So what happens now?  Continued nothing.

Articles of impeachment have been introduced and those of us who are calling Congress regularly are asking our reps to act on them. You can do this too.

I guess GuitarStv could do that... but being a Canadian it will matter even less... Now, if Canada became the USA's cherished 51st State, he could have a lot more sway!

Sorry I always mix up @GuitarStv and @ChpBstrd. Not sure they’ve ever been seen together in the same room.

In fairness, most who know me have called me a cheap bastard at some point or other.