Author Topic: NEW 2 year on off relationship - starts Pg 21. Issues with trust/attachment.  (Read 149698 times)

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I'll remind you that any backsliding you are tempted to do in order to be "kind" will mean you have to retread the hard ground you've already gained, and it will be even more difficult the second time. Caving may feel easier in the moment, but it will make it harder on both of you in the long run. 

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Well she's coming by the house tonight after work in a couple hours. I guess we may actually come to a conclusion then. I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.
That's your fault. You keep equivocating and trying to be "nice." Until you come out and say, "This relationship is 100% over" you'll be in this limbo.

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I get it. I guess I misread her words a few days back.

I will be submitting the job acceptance tomorrow and I guess tonight I'll tell her that/I'll either be selling or renting the house. May say something about our fundamental wants are different and even if I were staying this is what's best for us.

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@zoochadookdook, you'd be really wise to follow @former player's advice. Sign the Texas offer right now, send it time stamped today.

As a side bonus, the fact you've signed it will make it much easier to block/ignore/derail the lady's attempts to get back together.

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Wow. How many times during this thread, that ex girlfriend has you saying AGAIN make a decision or is this the final offer, etc etc when you've already had The Talk? I feel like I keep going through deja vu reading this thread.

I know no contact seems harsh but is needed at this point.   
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I get it. I guess I misread her words a few days back.

I will be submitting the job acceptance tomorrow and I guess tonight I'll tell her that/I'll either be selling or renting the house. May say something about our fundamental wants are different and even if I were staying this is what's best for us.

All this will do is open up lines of argument for her to pursue is this Merry-Go-Round of insanity that you have been stuck on for months. Seriously give a lot of thought to the mantra "Less is more". No qualifiers, no ifs, no convincing. Just a plain and straightforward "This relationships is over".

Ifs give her some hope, other statements give her something to retread the same discussions. Just let it hang there. It will be painful (for both of you), but this must end.

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I get it. I guess I misread her words a few days back.

I will be submitting the job acceptance tomorrow and I guess tonight I'll tell her that/I'll either be selling or renting the house. May say something about our fundamental wants are different and even if I were staying this is what's best for us.
Well she's coming by the house tonight after work in a couple hours. I guess we may actually come to a conclusion then. I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.

Man, she is gaslighting you hard.  Probably not intentionally, but that really doesn't matter.  You need to learn to say No.  Practice saying "that doesn't work for me."  No further explanation.  DO NOT ENGAGE with her, anything you say she will try to grab onto and twist.

'I'm coming over to the house tonight to talk' - 'That doesn't work for me."
'You need to let me know what you're doing' - 'No, that won't be necessary.  My decisions are my business."

Any time she starts in with "you need to tell me" or "we need to talk" you need to shut her down with "The only thing we need to talk about is when you'll be ready to move out.  How long do you need to move your things?"  Do not be redirected to feelings or job situation or anything else.  Stay businesslike, and stay on topic.
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I'm really rooting for the OP on this one.  If he does the right thing and breaks up with the girl, he will have dodged a bullet.  He will avoid a terrible marriage and an expensive divorce.  Good luck.

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I get it. I guess I misread her words a few days back.

I will be submitting the job acceptance tomorrow and I guess tonight I'll tell her that/I'll either be selling or renting the house. May say something about our fundamental wants are different and even if I were staying this is what's best for us.
Well she's coming by the house tonight after work in a couple hours. I guess we may actually come to a conclusion then. I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.

Man, she is gaslighting you hard.  Probably not intentionally, but that really doesn't matter.  You need to learn to say No.  Practice saying "that doesn't work for me."  No further explanation.  DO NOT ENGAGE with her, anything you say she will try to grab onto and twist.

'I'm coming over to the house tonight to talk' - 'That doesn't work for me."
'You need to let me know what you're doing' - 'No, that won't be necessary.  My decisions are my business."

Any time she starts in with "you need to tell me" or "we need to talk" you need to shut her down with "The only thing we need to talk about is when you'll be ready to move out.  How long do you need to move your things?"  Do not be redirected to feelings or job situation or anything else.  Stay businesslike, and stay on topic.

Technically she didn't say we need to talk. I said texting during work was kind of informal and she asked if I wanted her to come by the house after work to which I said yes. I would rather talk in person from sense of respectfulness. Is it right or wrong? Either way it's how i'm doing it. I think she really wants definitive closure from me.

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The offer said let them know by the end of the week (sunday). I'll sign tomorrow if I don't hear anything back from my current company.

Girlfriend just texted me telling me I need to let her know what I'm doing decision wise. I already told her I'm taking that job unless they somehow offer me of the career of the century but I think she may need that re iterated as I am  taking it. Told her I'm taking it and she said what does that mean for us and the house. It's weird because I feel like I already had this conversation.

Did you have that conversation?  Did you already tell her the job is immaterial and that you are breaking up with her because of the irreconcilable problems you've been having?  Or did you let her believe that the relationship is ending because you're moving to take a job?

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I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.

Why is this? Do you remember the words you said to her?

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The offer said let them know by the end of the week (sunday). I'll sign tomorrow if I don't hear anything back from my current company.

Girlfriend just texted me telling me I need to let her know what I'm doing decision wise. I already told her I'm taking that job unless they somehow offer me of the career of the century but I think she may need that re iterated as I am  taking it. Told her I'm taking it and she said what does that mean for us and the house. It's weird because I feel like I already had this conversation.

Did you have that conversation?  Did you already tell her the job is immaterial and that you are breaking up with her because of the irreconcilable problems you've been having?  Or did you let her believe that the relationship is ending because you're moving to take a job?

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I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.

Why is this? Do you remember the words you said to her?

I said we have issues in our relationship and going in circles is not solving the problems we have. The job is unrelated. In her mind I think she's seeing the job as the reasoning? Either way I'm headed home.

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The offer said let them know by the end of the week (sunday). I'll sign tomorrow if I don't hear anything back from my current company.

Girlfriend just texted me telling me I need to let her know what I'm doing decision wise. I already told her I'm taking that job unless they somehow offer me of the career of the century but I think she may need that re iterated as I am  taking it. Told her I'm taking it and she said what does that mean for us and the house. It's weird because I feel like I already had this conversation.

Did you have that conversation?  Did you already tell her the job is immaterial and that you are breaking up with her because of the irreconcilable problems you've been having?  Or did you let her believe that the relationship is ending because you're moving to take a job?

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I guess 2 days ago wasn't actually a conclusion just a "if i take this job" situation.

Why is this? Do you remember the words you said to her?

I said we have issues in our relationship and going in circles is not solving the problems we have. The job is unrelated. In her mind I think she's seeing the job as the reasoning? Either way I'm headed home.

In that case, yes, she is gaslighting you. It's an abusive tactic and it's common in codependent relationships. You told her your reasons and she's pretending it's for another reason because she can't or won't accept how you feel. If it wasn't clear that she doesn't respect your feelings and needs before, it should be painfully clear now.

She's coming over to pull out every manipulative trick she has, and since you're raw from the past few days, you are going to be particularly vulnerable to it. I highly discourage letting her come over, but since it's happening anyway, I wish you the best of luck and please, please, please take of yourself. Not her, not her feelings. Your self.

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Whatever you do, don't have sex with her.

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If you need scripts, Captain Awkward has them. See, for instance: https://captainawkward.com/2011/09/28/question-118-how-do-i-break-up-with-someone/ and anything tagged "breakups."

Good luck.

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AAAGH be strong Zoocha!!! We are all rooting for you that she will understand and allow you to make plans to move on with your life unencumbered.

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I am not rooting that she will understand. That locates power in exactly the wrong place. I am hoping that Zooch himself will hold the line.


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I am having anxiety now about the OP, his inability  to set a strong boundary, his wishy washiness. I know this thread isnt about me, but good lord I have the angst! I have the heebee jeebies!

Maybe I should just exit this thread for the time being because—This isnt about me! It is not my circus!

But daaayam. Someone send me PM when he has extricated himself from the girlfriend and the current  job, Pretty please!



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Whatever you do, don't have sex with her.
yes. Spoken like a mother or a father.

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Well that went bad

First off my old car overheated on the way so she picked me up and drove me back and forth.

Got to the house. Called a towtruck.

She asked if I was sure what I wanted to do I said yes-neither of us is getting what we want in a relationship. She said she's been crying for days and just can't picture a life without me.

Then to the house. She asked if I would rent it as I don't know where I'll be in like 6 months plus and this was supposed to be "our" home with the memories and such attached. I guess I just had no idea how much she loved the house between decorating and showing to our friends. I told her I don't want her to associate it with our relationship/something to cling to and she said oh you just want a complete break.

She's crying and silent the whole time and just says she needs to go, she trusted me too much and she never thought I'd do this.

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Well that went bad

First off my old car overheated on the way so she picked me up and drove me back and forth.

Got to the house. Called a towtruck.

She asked if I was sure what I wanted to do I said yes-neither of us is getting what we want in a relationship. She said she's been crying for days and just can't picture a life without me.

Then to the house. She asked if I would rent it as I don't know where I'll be in like 6 months plus and this was supposed to be "our" home with the memories and such attached. I guess I just had no idea how much she loved the house between decorating and showing to our friends. I told her I don't want her to associate it with our relationship/something to cling to and she said oh you just want a complete break.

She's crying and silent the whole time and just says she needs to go, she trusted me too much and she never thought I'd do this.

Ugh. Oh my God, She is gas lighting and guilt tripping you and manipulating you SOOOOO bad. I have felt some sympathy for her during all this, but I think I just ran out. She honestly needs to pull her big girl panties on, grow up, and stop trying to make you feel like shit so you will stay out of obligation. She doesn’t care how you feel. She only cares about what she wants. This is the opposite of love.

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She didn’t trust you THAT much.

The hardest part is over now. If you deal with the logistics quickly, you can stop talking to each other, and you can both start healing. It’s sucks so bad now but future you is gonna look back and be so grateful to present day you for ending this. She likely will, too — I myself am TOTALLY grateful to the boyfriend who dumped me because (1) it needed to happen, (2) I wasn’t strong enough to do it, and (3) it freed me up to go find the kind of partner I really wanted and needed. I bet your ex will feel the same in a few months.

Just try to cut contact as soon as you can ... every time you talk, it will rip the wound open again. You both will heal much faster if you make a clean break, I promise. You won’t find healing or closure in conversation, even though it feels like you should. It just doesn’t work that way.

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Well that went bad

First off my old car overheated on the way so she picked me up and drove me back and forth.

Got to the house. Called a towtruck.

She asked if I was sure what I wanted to do I said yes-neither of us is getting what we want in a relationship. She said she's been crying for days and just can't picture a life without me.

Then to the house. She asked if I would rent it as I don't know where I'll be in like 6 months plus and this was supposed to be "our" home with the memories and such attached. I guess I just had no idea how much she loved the house between decorating and showing to our friends. I told her I don't want her to associate it with our relationship/something to cling to and she said oh you just want a complete break.

She's crying and silent the whole time and just says she needs to go, she trusted me too much and she never thought I'd do this.

Nooooo she is clinging onto the house as a way to cling on to you! Break free little grasshopper!

Go bounce in some fresh green grass and nail another grasshopper and you'll seriously know you made the right choice.

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Well that went bad

First off my old car overheated on the way so she picked me up and drove me back and forth.

Got to the house. Called a towtruck.

She asked if I was sure what I wanted to do I said yes-neither of us is getting what we want in a relationship. She said she's been crying for days and just can't picture a life without me.

Then to the house. She asked if I would rent it as I don't know where I'll be in like 6 months plus and this was supposed to be "our" home with the memories and such attached. I guess I just had no idea how much she loved the house between decorating and showing to our friends. I told her I don't want her to associate it with our relationship/something to cling to and she said oh you just want a complete break.

She's crying and silent the whole time and just says she needs to go, she trusted me too much and she never thought I'd do this.

Start strong and put the house on the market. It's hard, but you are taking the right steps.

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I’m sorry this is dragging out and so difficult for you. You are making the right choice. As others have said, this hurts now but in time i am confident that you will heal and be much happier for it. I am rooting for you.

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Well that went bad

First off my old car overheated on the way so she picked me up and drove me back and forth.

Got to the house. Called a towtruck.

She asked if I was sure what I wanted to do I said yes-neither of us is getting what we want in a relationship. She said she's been crying for days and just can't picture a life without me.

Then to the house. She asked if I would rent it as I don't know where I'll be in like 6 months plus and this was supposed to be "our" home with the memories and such attached. I guess I just had no idea how much she loved the house between decorating and showing to our friends. I told her I don't want her to associate it with our relationship/something to cling to and she said oh you just want a complete break.

She's crying and silent the whole time and just says she needs to go, she trusted me too much and she never thought I'd do this.

This sounds absolutely gut-wrenching and difficult, but keep holding firm.

It seems that for her, if you rent the house instead of selling it, it's the last little crack of the door being held open.  A sign that you could come back and reverse the break-up. 

I do feel sad for her.  Despite all the conversations you've been having over the last few months, she did not really expect this to happen.  In her shoes I would also be crying and upset. 

But remember that she has also contributed to this moment -- it's not all on you.  You both have endlessly discussed the relationship and could not come up with a shared vision of the future. So it had to end.
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Do not call her for help anymore.  Get an Uber, or carpool with a co-worker.

She wants you to rent the house instead of selling it because she thinks that you and she will get back together, move back into the house, and get married? 

She is going to miss the house and her decorating?  She should not have played house with you for years without a firm commitment.  That was a mistake for both of you.

I think it is ridiculous that she will miss the house.  I tend to think that true love don't give a damn about material possessions, you know?  I think she is in love with the idea and the fantasy and the status of being coupled, or married, with her decorating and her furniture.  You, you are her accessory.

Get out, don't talk to her, and put the house on the market.  Sign your contract for the new job!

p.s. do you have family that you are close to?  Are you talking to them about all your life changes too?
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You have to proceed as though you are broken up with her, because you are now.  In essence, that means acting like she does not exist.  She is no longer a resource for you.  If you need something, you call whomever you'd call if she fell off the face of the earth.  It's not fair to her to keep using her as a resource when you don't want to be with her anymore.  It gives her false hope, and it prevents both of you from moving on. Tell yourself now that 100% you will not contact her for ANYTHING, other than business-like details about finalizing the details of separating your lives.  Tell yourself that, and stick to it.

And remember that any time you soften your words with her, even out of kindness, you are backsliding and creating more work for yourself to get completely broken up and moved on. 

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Do not call her for help anymore.  Get an Uber, or carpool with a co-worker.

She wants you to rent the house instead of selling it because she thinks that you and she will get back together, move back into the house, and get married? 

She is going to miss the house and her decorating?  She should not have played house with you for years without a firm commitment.  That was a mistake for both of you.

I think it is ridiculous that she will miss the house.  I tend to think that true love don't give a damn about material possessions, you know?  I think she is in love with the idea and the fantasy and the status of being coupled, or married, with her decorating and her furniture.  You, you are her accessory.

Get out, don't talk to her, and put the house on the market.  Sign your contract for the new job!



+1000. Couldn’t have said it better.

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Do not call her for help anymore.  Get an Uber, or carpool with a co-worker.

She wants you to rent the house instead of selling it because she thinks that you and she will get back together, move back into the house, and get married? 

She is going to miss the house and her decorating?  She should not have played house with you for years without a firm commitment.  That was a mistake for both of you.

I think it is ridiculous that she will miss the house.  I tend to think that true love don't give a damn about material possessions, you know?  I think she is in love with the idea and the fantasy and the status of being coupled, or married, with her decorating and her furniture.  You, you are her accessory.

Get out, don't talk to her, and put the house on the market.  Sign your contract for the new job!

p.s. do you have family that you are close to?  Are you talking to them about all your life changes too?

I 100% agree with all of the advice given (I may disagree on your seeming position on cohabitation before marriage).

Honestly the p.s. might be the most important part. When a relationship of that duration and closeness (emotional, proximity, and convenience) ends you discover how much you have come to rely on the other person for everything; from an unexpected even (like a car breaking down) to just venting at the end of a tough day. Shifting to a support structure to to meet those needs is important and close friends/family are a good place to start.

Zoocha, looking back I am thankful for the ends the were quick and complete, they hurt like heck, but they were miles better than those that drug on for an extended period. As callous as this sounds, your number one priority needs to be taking care of yourself; don't go out of your way to accommodate her if it adversely impacts you.


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This is going faster and more easily than I was guessing. Strike fast, keep going, Zooch - you're doing great this evening.

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Just logged in to say that this has got to be the most frustrating thread I’ve experienced in the 25 years I’ve spent using the internet. I sincerely hope OP is a troll, and if not....bless your heart. Hopefully moving to a new city will end this nonsense.

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Just logged in to say that this has got to be the most frustrating thread I’ve experienced in the 25 years I’ve spent using the internet. I sincerely hope OP is a troll, and if not....bless your heart. Hopefully moving to a new city will end this nonsense.
As frustrating as it can be at times I am actually really proud of how much progress the OP has made. He is remarkably open to considering new ideas and is on the oath to changing his world view and upending his life in the space of a few months. I expect few people would manage to do the same, even presented with the same situation that seems so obvious to outsiders. I’m impressed with his work.

(Pssst: keep it up!)

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Stay strong, Zooch.  Your ex-girlfriend may get very angry as she grieves the relationship, and I would not be surprised if you get yelled at.  Just be cool and don't get caught up in it.   Start planning your move to the new city. Interview some realtors.  I know you can sell it on your own, but a realtor will be helpful to you, especially if you go out of state soon.

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As frustrating as it can be at times I am actually really proud of how much progress the OP has made. He is remarkably open to considering new ideas and is on the oath to changing his world view and upending his life in the space of a few months. I expect few people would manage to do the same, even presented with the same situation that seems so obvious to outsiders. I’m impressed with his work.

(Pssst: keep it up!)

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As frustrating as it can be at times I am actually really proud of how much progress the OP has made. He is remarkably open to considering new ideas and is on the oath to changing his world view and upending his life in the space of a few months. I expect few people would manage to do the same, even presented with the same situation that seems so obvious to outsiders. I’m impressed with his work.

(Pssst: keep it up!)

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Keep it up, Zooch!!

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Sitting at the mechanic carless right now; have a feeling I may need to replace it (head gasket if gone is $1200 or so and it's worth maybe 1500)

Anyways she messaged me last night (While I was staying at my buddies)

Basically convo went like this

Her: I'm having a really hard time. I feel like nobody else understands. And I can't stop crying.

Me: Your friends and family don't? I'm sorry, it just isn't working for me to a degree of where i'm happy from a relationship perspective. And I know it must e confusing and hurtful for me to say I'm not ready for what you want over and over but I can't get there like we are

Her: I'm just really hurt right now...this decision is very permanent. It's not like a vacation you can return from after a few weeks. And I'm trying to feel at home here but it still feels like I'm at a strangers house. I feel like my choices have been taken away and I'm being shoved into this life I don't want. 

Her: I put so much love and patience into our relationshp. I'm sorry I didn't meet your expectations.

Me: Your mom loves you. She talks you up at every social even. I didn't have high expectations or such; I just never felt wanted after (what was my fault) the cheating early on. I tried to provide for you as well as I could-I never so much as sniffed at another female-but I got hurt a lot in my self esteem trying to feel like a romantic partner and not just a provider.

Her: I lover her too I just feel like I lost a limb and my world is upside down. And you know I don't want you as just a provider. I've never asked for a penny.

Hey : For so long I've pictured  us growing old together.

Me: I've been like this for months. Just sad. I realize it's not fair for me to compromise on your vision of the future and not be 100% for it just like I can't make you see or have a certain kind of relationship with me. Hopefully we still get old, you've got so much good things going for you quality wise as a person and with your new job; I know how passionate you are about children.

Hey: I just feel....not excited for anything right now. I'm going to try to go to sleep.

Me: I get it, like numb. That's how I feel. You and the dogs take care

It's just sad. She really didn't view this as actually something that could happen-when she said she was all in she had just had a picture of the future and that I'd always be the one she'd be with. By all means we were going through the motions of life together-getting through college, real jobs, the house.....etc.
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Good progress.  Stay strong. 

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Now is a perfect time to stop texting about the emotional stuff.  You and the dogs take care is a perfect sign off.  I would recommend not replying to anything other than logistics about moving furniture.

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Yeah I'm just worried about her. I don't think she's the type to ever self harm or such but I do want to make sure she has support of friends and family to the point that they're around her close enough.

I was thinking of suggesting a moving company and being out this weekend for her to come through. Still not 100% sure on the dogs and if she's taking them both or one.

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Let her figure that stuff out on her own.  Are the dogs with her now?  Assume she is keeping both. 
Note that she may rage at you or make sexual advances towards you.  Both are acts of desperation at this point. It sounds like she has a strong relationship with her mom.  She's going to be OK, really.  In 3 to 6 months, you will both be doing much better.  The last half of 2019 might be hard, but you will both be prepared for a wonderful 2020.

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@zoochadookdook

I'm chiming in for the first time to tell you well done!  You are doing the right thing here and handling it correctly, like a gentleman.

I think this was your first and only serious relationship?  So this is your first breakup.  Breakups suck.  There's no way to do it without some pain, really.

You might not realize it, but your text conversation with your ex last night fell into the time honored cliche of "It's not you, it's me".  There's a reason this is time honored.  It's the way to be polite about things, and leave no room for the other person to say "But I can change to be more like what you want!"

The less you communicate with your ex now, the better.  You are giving her a great opportunity to have to grow and mature by making a clean break with her.  She needs to deal with the loss of things she dreamed of -- apparently growing old together, and living in that house and decorating it, were things she dreamed of and always imagined doing.  It will take some time, but eventually she will realize that she can still have those things, but with someone who wants *just* those things as well. 

But you need to give her the space to find people to comfort her on her own.  She is using you for emotional support right now because that's what she is used to, but when you stop providing that, she will develop other resources.  She has to do this, and the longer you prop her up the harder it will be for her to develop and mature. 

Trust that you are doing the right thing in separating from her and allowing her to grow and mature as you focus on yourself.

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Agree with what is said above.

At this point, the best thing you can do is not get engaged with her in the emotional conversations anymore. The next time she tries -- and she will try -- just say, "I think it's probably best not to dwell on this together anymore. You suggested no contact, and I think that's the right thing to do."

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Well we definitely have to  communicate as far as all her stuff goes. Hey life is pretty much rolled up in the house. Yeah I mean I understand the logic of why this is better but it still feels like I'm just tossing out something I love. I mean I just want us both to be as happy as we can vs just existing.

Regarding the actual house; I have considered renting vs selling. Even before all this I have talked about owning rentals with my father and such. Considering I know the house, the area, and all as well as having family and friends in the area-I was thinking of keeping this as my first rental.  Between hiring a company vs trying to manage myself. I am a entrepreneur by design and will almost certainly be pursuing side hustles in texas (driving clean body cars back north to resell/buying a house and renting to roommates to save some funds etc) but this would not only keep me property back here; but also build equity in it. Anyone have any advice that's related strictly to the monetary decision making behind keeping properties as rentals?

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You're just making it harder on yourself, man. Why should it take more than a day for her to move out?  Just tell her she has this weekend to move out. 

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Well we definitely have to  communicate as far as all her stuff goes. Hey life is pretty much rolled up in the house. Yeah I mean I understand the logic of why this is better but it still feels like I'm just tossing out something I love. I mean I just want us both to be as happy as we can vs just existing.

Regarding the actual house; I have considered renting vs selling. Even before all this I have talked about owning rentals with my father and such. Considering I know the house, the area, and all as well as having family and friends in the area-I was thinking of keeping this as my first rental.  Between hiring a company vs trying to manage myself. I am a entrepreneur by design and will almost certainly be pursuing side hustles in texas (driving clean body cars back north to resell/buying a house and renting to roommates to save some funds etc) but this would not only keep me property back here; but also build equity in it. Anyone have any advice that's related strictly to the monetary decision making behind keeping properties as rentals?

I would think you'd have to calculate the return on your investment by renting it versus the rate of return if you sold it and invested the proceeds.  I would personally also weigh heavily the headache of being a landlord, particularly long distance.  You'll have a lot more life flexibility if you sell.

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You're just making it harder on yourself, man. Why should it take more than a day for her to move out?  Just tell her she has this weekend to move out.

She's got a lot of stuff; not sure if she could find a place to store it and organize a move by this weekend.  House is 1800 sq feet and we have lots of junk to pick through.

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Well we definitely have to  communicate as far as all her stuff goes. Hey life is pretty much rolled up in the house. Yeah I mean I understand the logic of why this is better but it still feels like I'm just tossing out something I love. I mean I just want us both to be as happy as we can vs just existing.

Regarding the actual house; I have considered renting vs selling. Even before all this I have talked about owning rentals with my father and such. Considering I know the house, the area, and all as well as having family and friends in the area-I was thinking of keeping this as my first rental.  Between hiring a company vs trying to manage myself. I am a entrepreneur by design and will almost certainly be pursuing side hustles in texas (driving clean body cars back north to resell/buying a house and renting to roommates to save some funds etc) but this would not only keep me property back here; but also build equity in it. Anyone have any advice that's related strictly to the monetary decision making behind keeping properties as rentals?

I would think you'd have to calculate the return on your investment by renting it versus the rate of return if you sold it and invested the proceeds.  I would personally also weigh heavily the headache of being a landlord, particularly long distance.  You'll have a lot more life flexibility if you sell.

I've ran the numbers in this calculator: https://www.narpm.org/members/resources/rent-vs-sell-calculator/
Even with vacancy numbers/repair numbers it seems like renting it is a better way to build wealth long term; which the proceeds would be doing anyways. I guess going through a rental management company is an option as well which slims your margins but takes away some of the headaches.

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Biggerpockets.com is an excellent web site for all info. about being a landlord.  There are also landlords here who can help you. @arebelspy is very experienced with managing out of state rentals. Perhaps he can help.


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Well we definitely have to  communicate as far as all her stuff goes. Hey life is pretty much rolled up in the house. Yeah I mean I understand the logic of why this is better but it still feels like I'm just tossing out something I love. I mean I just want us both to be as happy as we can vs just existing.

Regarding the actual house; I have considered renting vs selling. Even before all this I have talked about owning rentals with my father and such. Considering I know the house, the area, and all as well as having family and friends in the area-I was thinking of keeping this as my first rental.  Between hiring a company vs trying to manage myself. I am a entrepreneur by design and will almost certainly be pursuing side hustles in texas (driving clean body cars back north to resell/buying a house and renting to roommates to save some funds etc) but this would not only keep me property back here; but also build equity in it. Anyone have any advice that's related strictly to the monetary decision making behind keeping properties as rentals?

I would think you'd have to calculate the return on your investment by renting it versus the rate of return if you sold it and invested the proceeds.  I would personally also weigh heavily the headache of being a landlord, particularly long distance.  You'll have a lot more life flexibility if you sell.

I've ran the numbers in this calculator: https://www.narpm.org/members/resources/rent-vs-sell-calculator/
Even with vacancy numbers/repair numbers it seems like renting it is a better way to build wealth long term; which the proceeds would be doing anyways. I guess going through a rental management company is an option as well which slims your margins but takes away some of the headaches.

How much do you expect to make on the sale? How does the rent wealth calculation compare to the sale proceeds invested in the stock market at an average 7% return?

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I found that the nuisance/worry factor in being a long-distance landlord of my former home outweighed the long-term benefits and sold up (and then bought a rental locally, mostly for non-financial reasons) after a few years.  The problems of a long-distance rental can be offset by knowing a reliable cadre of local workmen to carry out repairs and maintenance and having someone local to find and vet tenants.  Having family in the area is an advantage if they can provide any of those services (don't take them for granted, pay them) and also if they can provide you with a place to stay if you have to visit the area to deal with any house issues.

Of course, keeping the house as a rental may also affect what you do for housing in your new location: whether you can buy down there and what you can afford if you do.  So that needs to be factored into any decision.

Long term you are going to be all right financially whatever decision you make: real estate and index investing are both good ways to reach financial security and independence.  So I think you should do whatever feels right to you and that you think you will regret the least: it's very unlikely to be much of a mistake whichever way you jump.