Author Topic: "‘It's the breaking of a taboo’: the parents who regret having children"  (Read 10150 times)

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I had this discussion with my mother (as an adult). She and my father had been married 12 years and she was 34 when she had her first child. She had told me before that they had had children because it was the thing to do next and they were getting older. I had an inkling that she might regret having had children - she had once told me that she'd had a miscarriage a couple of years before us and had felt relieved when it happened.

When we came into the world, we completely derailed my parents' relationship. My mom chafed under the expectation of being our sole caregiver and wanted to go back to school. My father resented that she wasn't willing to be a happy, traditional mother like all his friends' wives, who were perfectly fulfilled by motherhood and needed nothing else.

My father was a functional alcoholic and occasionally erratic. Before we were born, this wasn't a problem. He seemed fun and interesting. After we were born, my mother resented him because she felt he couldn't be trusted with our care.

They were happy - and then they very quickly weren't. It took parenthood only a couple of years to destroy their relationship. When they divorced, my mother was a single mother and my father went on to marry a more traditional wife and had another family with her. As a single mother, all of my mother's goals were put off. She ultimately did get her PhD, but only after many years - I was 19 when she finally finished.

By all objective measurements, I think her life would have been better without children (and since I have chosen not to have children, I would not be offended by the notion of her regretting us!). She told me that regret wasn't the right word, because she loves us and now that we're adults, it's hard to look back and picture a life without us. But that yes, if she hadn't had children, things would have been different for her - maybe better. Mostly though, she said that she regretted having children with our father. It wasn't the kids that were the mistake - it was the partner she chose to have children with. A different partner might have supported her dreams, or taken on more of a hands-on role with the kids. A different partner might have shared the burden. They could have bonded over their shared experience with parenthood, instead of pulling apart. But they weren't really sharing it - she was alone in motherhood.

And in reading the article, that seems to be a common thread. There's this dissatisfaction with the role that the father is accepting and the role that is expected of the mother. But it's hard to foresee that the person you fell in love with isn't the most complementary parent for you. Except women are supposed to love motherhood, so everyone pretends that they don't understand why she might not be happy in this role, so the regretful mother feels alone - in society and in her relationship. Motherhood can end up very lonely and isolating.

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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   

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I've been reading along here and I just wanted to say thanks to CPA Cat for your post. 

I don't have kids either and my dad was a functioning alcoholic too.  Sometimes I think that when they were handing out maternal feelings body parts, I was at the end of the line and they ran out of them.  :)   But also my childhood wasn't particularly happy and I was not convinced that if my child was struggling, that I would be able to give them the help they need.   Also, I don't think I would have liked being a SAHM.   When I was growing up, at least on my street, the moms stayed home with the kids and maybe eventually got a part-time job once the kids were in their late teens and the dads went out to work. 

I think the kind of partner you have is very important too.  If I'd met my current husband when I was in my child-bearing years, maybe I would have felt differently.  In his previous marriage, I know he was a very hands-on parent. 

Interesting thread here and yes, I agree with the previous poster that it is an important conversation. 

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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   

I just listened to this fascinating podcast about why younger folks in Japan are not having kids, etc...

   http://bbc.in/2kaxv1v

Appears to be more associated with extreme changes in traditional gender roles...but wow it can really affect an entire country.

Anyway, just thought it seemed somewhat relevant.

 





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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   
Interesting data point: half of all pregnancies in the USA are unintended. Seems like half of all parents were not intending to become parents; so I'm not sure that just regretting children will be enough to curb birth rates to the point that it 'becomes a problem' - already half of all parents were not planning on having children, and still did.

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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   
Interesting data point: half of all pregnancies in the USA are unintended. Seems like half of all parents were not intending to become parents; so I'm not sure that just regretting children will be enough to curb birth rates to the point that it 'becomes a problem' - already half of all parents were not planning on having children, and still did.

Really?? I thought all those American religious and political leaders who oppose teaching kids about safe sex had convinced them all to stay away from sex? Preach abstinence or something like that?

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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   
Interesting data point: half of all pregnancies in the USA are unintended. Seems like half of all parents were not intending to become parents; so I'm not sure that just regretting children will be enough to curb birth rates to the point that it 'becomes a problem' - already half of all parents were not planning on having children, and still did.

Really?? I thought all those American religious and political leaders who oppose teaching kids about safe sex had convinced them all to stay away from sex? Preach abstinence or something like that?

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I was having a conversation the other day about evidence that abortions go down under Democratic governments and whether anti-abortion Christians ought therefore to vote Democrat even though they don't want to tighten the laws on abortion. The person I was talking to is an English anti-abortion Christian and said he'd find it very difficult to know why way to vote in America. Even more difficult when it became apparent that he was only considering increased funding for social programmes as a reason abortions went down under Democrats, and I had to point out that increased use of contraception probably had something to do with it. He then mused for some time about whether the evils of contracepting would outweigh the evils of more actual abortions, and what the relative scales would need to be to balance out.

Also, there's a difference between a particular pregnancy being unintended ("I guess I want to have kids someday when I'm older... oh shit, I'm pregnant right now") and deciding not to have children ever. That article says that only 18% of all pregnancies are truly unwanted - 27% are mistimed.

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I'm a pro-life Christian and I vote Democratic. I want to live in a country where the option to CHOOSE life is supported, instead of where a personal decision is legislated. Wouldn't it be great if abortion were legal but nobody got them because of their personal convictions and confidence in having a social safety net with their children?

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^ In my dream world, we would see every single child on the planet fully supported before reexamining our collective consciousness around abortion. Right now, my attention is focused on the thousands upon thousands of children who need our resources so they can survive, preferably be nurtured, etc. Like most people, I don't love abortion, but if I wanted to protest it, my method would be getting all the current kids well supported in their homes, placed with awesome adoptive families, etc. I think that would be the fastest way to see what probably most of us want.

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You know, the more I think on this, I think it is actually a good thing that this is openly discussed.  Maybe it will lead to parenting in developed countries being less shitty.  If enough people drop out of parenting to where it becomes a societal problem, maybe more social supports will be put in place to support parenting and make it a better experience.   
Interesting data point: half of all pregnancies in the USA are unintended. Seems like half of all parents were not intending to become parents; so I'm not sure that just regretting children will be enough to curb birth rates to the point that it 'becomes a problem' - already half of all parents were not planning on having children, and still did.

Really?? I thought all those American religious and political leaders who oppose teaching kids about safe sex had convinced them all to stay away from sex? Preach abstinence or something like that?

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I was having a conversation the other day about evidence that abortions go down under Democratic governments and whether anti-abortion Christians ought therefore to vote Democrat even though they don't want to tighten the laws on abortion. The person I was talking to is an English anti-abortion Christian and said he'd find it very difficult to know why way to vote in America. Even more difficult when it became apparent that he was only considering increased funding for social programmes as a reason abortions went down under Democrats, and I had to point out that increased use of contraception probably had something to do with it. He then mused for some time about whether the evils of contracepting would outweigh the evils of more actual abortions, and what the relative scales would need to be to balance out.

Also, there's a difference between a particular pregnancy being unintended ("I guess I want to have kids someday when I'm older... oh shit, I'm pregnant right now") and deciding not to have children ever. That article says that only 18% of all pregnancies are truly unwanted - 27% are mistimed.
True, but abortion is equally great at ending mistimed pregnancies as it is at ending truly unwanted pregnancies. This is why they should be vastly more available. Than they are now. Adoption also works for mis timed babies, with 36 couples waiting for every baby that is adopted. I would like to see this process streamlined as well.

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...with 36 couples waiting for every baby that is adopted.

The couples waiting should contact the province of BC! Currently more than 900 children waiting for homes here :(

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...with 36 couples waiting for every baby that is adopted.

The couples waiting should contact the province of BC! Currently more than 900 children waiting for homes here :(
I would imagine international adoption is even more complex and beaurecratic and slow than intranational; but this is information that should be shared.