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What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« on: February 23, 2012, 07:37:43 AM »
I used to read Frugal Dad frequently, but all it is now is infographics (that usually have little to no connection with finances).  I even gave the site a grace period and checked back today and it was still the same.  Am I the only one disappointed with this?  I thought it was a decent read before.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 07:58:43 AM »
I used to read Frugal Dad frequently, but all it is now is infographics (that usually have little to no connection with finances).  I even gave the site a grace period and checked back today and it was still the same.  Am I the only one disappointed with this?  I thought it was a decent read before.

I never followed Frugal Dad (just read some random articles in passing when linked to from another finance site), but I've noticed a similar problem with Get Rich Slowly and The Simple Dollar, the first two I followed.

So many of their ideas are so.... basic. 

I think the problem is that as I get more Mustachian, their content, targeted towards the average American, gets less relevant to me, as I'm so far past it.

My wife has noticed the same thing independently (although she only reads GRS, not TSD).  Example: a day or two ago GRS had an article about 5 easy ways to save or something like that.  All were pretty obvious (put money in a jar, automatic deductions for 401k, etc), but in particular I remember the last one, because my wife commented.

The tip was to put your money in a place where it's hard to access (takes a few days to get out, etc.).  My wife said "Why put it in a place that's so hard to access?  How about you just don't spend it?"

That's the default mindset for a Mustachian, and a foreign concept to the average person.

If and when MMM targets a larger audience and dumbs down his articles to include basic tips about mind hacks to save money (the obvious ones you've heard a million times, like envelope budgeting), we'll likely be frustrated with that as well.

To be fair to those other sites, they are trying to write to those other people who need that.  And it's hard to produce content day in and day out.  It's just that the average Mustachian has moved beyond the baby steps.

But that's why I'm glad we have a site like MMM, who doesn't baby his readers.
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 08:35:13 AM »
I used to read Frugal Dad frequently, but all it is now is infographics (that usually have little to no connection with finances).  I even gave the site a grace period and checked back today and it was still the same.  Am I the only one disappointed with this?  I thought it was a decent read before.

I've been wondering the same thing.  My guess is that it was bought out, but hasn't been announced yet.  I doubt that Jason at frugal dad is making those infographics himself.  It was almost an overnight switch, so I bet a larger company owns the site now.

Many of the bigger personal finance blogs are no longer owned by their original owners (including Get Rich Slowly and The Simple Dollar), so it's not the same kind of focus/content they originally had and it's a lot less personal.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 08:52:54 AM »
Many of the bigger personal finance blogs are no longer owned by their original owners (including Get Rich Slowly and The Simple Dollar), so it's not the same kind of focus/content they originally had and it's a lot less personal.

The Simple Dollar too????  I didn't know that.

I noticed the change at Frugal Dad, and am disappointed too.  Yes the concepts were simple but I enjoyed his writing.  I rarely check it now.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 10:28:55 AM »
I never followed Frugal Dad (just read some random articles in passing when linked to from another finance site), but I've noticed a similar problem with Get Rich Slowly and The Simple Dollar, the first two I followed.

So many of their ideas are so.... basic. 

I have to agree, and I think there are some other issues with the drop in quality there. I found Trent's site right after he first got started and he was posting great content about frugality and digging his way out. He even turned the blog into his job and wrote two books now, I think. I think what has happened though, is to maintain that site and it's audience means forever repeating the same basic information.

How long has Dave Ramsey been repeating the same information? Two decades now? Any deviation away from that and there goes half their audience.

Many of the bigger personal finance blogs are no longer owned by their original owners (including Get Rich Slowly and The Simple Dollar), so it's not the same kind of focus/content they originally had and it's a lot less personal.

Whoa! You sure about the Simple Dollar? I knew of some personal behind the scenes issues that I think are why Get Rich Slowly's content are going down hill, but I'd be surprised to know Trent sold his site to someone else.

But like I said, there are only so many ways you can tell people to SPEND LESS THAN YOU EARN. And yet, as simple as a concept as it is, we all seem to struggle with it at some point in our lives, lol.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 10:30:37 AM »
The Simple Dollar too????  I didn't know that.

Yeah, here's a link to his post about it: http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/12/15/an-announcement-about-the-future-of-the-simple-dollar/

He still does all the writing (I think), so there may not be much of a change there.  The ads are probably better placed and targeted though... :)

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »
Apparently buying personal finance blogs is big business.  Here's an announcement from QuinStreet about the purchase of Consumerism Commentary.  Apparently these sites sold for $1M or more:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/quinstreet-announces-acquisition-of-consumerismcommentarycom-2011-11-28

Here's another article: http://www.doughroller.net/make-money/list-of-personal-finance-blogs-that-have-sold-for-1-million-or-more/

Interesting stuff.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 11:04:15 AM »
Hope MMM doesn't join the crowd.

That being said, I think the drop in quality is more perceived than real.. That is, to us Mustachians it's old hat, but to a new reader I don't know that the current content is that much below previous content.

Just now to us it's regurgitated.
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 11:10:59 AM »
Wow, that is very interesting.

I hope MMM doesn't sell.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 11:20:01 AM »
Wow, that is very interesting.

I hope MMM doesn't sell.

I figure even if he does, we've probably got another year of good posts before it comes to that point.  ;)
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 11:29:18 AM »
Maybe its just perception, but both of those sites (GRS and TSD) have been going downhill for quite some time. It used to feel like I could relate to the authors, like we were on a PF journey and they were just a couple steps ahead of me. Then at some point, they (or their buyers) realized that rather than growing *with* their audience, there was more money to be made in appealing to the lowest common denominator. Since there are many more folks in debt than there are folks entering the "third and fourth" stages of personal finance, those are the people to market to. I'm thinking ERE and MMM fans just aren't that profitable a demographic. Like how all the good TV shows get cancelled, yet mindless drivel stays on for season after season.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 12:44:16 PM »
It is BIG business. But I've seen some of my favorite blogs quality go down hill after becoming parts of networks. Primary example, Gizmodo.

However that being said, Google's changes over the summer that attacked all the how-to network spam blogs has made these other blogs highly more profitable.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 01:48:06 PM »
It is BIG business. But I've seen some of my favorite blogs quality go down hill after becoming parts of networks. Primary example, Gizmodo.

I never followed Gizmodo much, but I do enjoy one of their sister blogs (I believe?), Lifehacker.  I've only followed it for a few years, so I don't know if it used to be better, but I feel the quality is decent and isn't going downhill.

AJ may have nailed it, though.  Appeal to the lowest common denominator / largest demographic.

I can't blame them too much.  1) They're partly in it for the money, that makes more, and 2) They may want to help people struggling financially, and the people in stage one (debt) are struggling more, and so they can help them more and help a larger number of people.

It just doesn't leave a lot of places for people like us.  Long live MMM!
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 10:26:32 AM »
One more reason why I'm glad MMM isn't interested in doing the whole book tour thing. As much as I'd love to see the Mustachian philosophy become as popular as say, Kawasaki's or Ramsey or The Secret, I don't think it intrinsically appeals to as many people due to the complexity and extremism of its principles (lots of complainypantsers out there)

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 02:35:43 PM »
I never followed Gizmodo much, but I do enjoy one of their sister blogs (I believe?), Lifehacker.  I've only followed it for a few years, so I don't know if it used to be better, but I feel the quality is decent and isn't going downhill.

AJ may have nailed it, though.  Appeal to the lowest common denominator / largest demographic.

I can't blame them too much.  1) They're partly in it for the money, that makes more, and 2) They may want to help people struggling financially, and the people in stage one (debt) are struggling more, and so they can help them more and help a larger number of people.

It just doesn't leave a lot of places for people like us.  Long live MMM!

Lifehacker has declined slightly. But they are making some changes to get back into it. They used to post more direct how-to's. Now they do more reposting of other peoples info.

Gizmodo used to be a big tech blog, but today it rarely looks like a tech blog. The writers can't seem to stop expressing their own liberal point of views on a blog where it's inappropriate and half the stuff they cover rarely seems to focus on technology.

The guy that started that site sold it over to gawker awhile ago, and left the site even more recently so it's gotten worse.

Lifehacker, iO9 and Japolink seem to be staying on par for the most part.

AOLMedia has been buying up quite a few blogs as well, like TechChunch.

As much as I'd love to see the Mustachian philosophy become as popular as say, Kawasaki's or Ramsey or The Secret, I don't think it intrinsically appeals to as many people due to the complexity and extremism of its principles (lots of complainypantsers out there)

One of these things is not like the other things.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 02:39:47 PM »

As much as I'd love to see the Mustachian philosophy become as popular as say, Kawasaki's or Ramsey or The Secret, I don't think it intrinsically appeals to as many people due to the complexity and extremism of its principles (lots of complainypantsers out there)

One of these things is not like the other things.

Sure all 3 are, because she was talking about the popularity.  All 3 are popular philosophies (and one might even say popular philosophies regarding money.)

That being said, I initially figured you were talking about the scam artist, then I figured it was the hoax, then the shill, then I realized all three actually were the same bunk, and can't figure out WHICH one you're trying to single out.  ;)

That aside, I do think for her purposes (desired popularity of Mustachian mindset), they can be grouped together.
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 02:41:59 PM »
You just put way to much thought into me poking fun of the secret.

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 02:52:28 PM »
You just put way to much thought into me poking fun of the secret.

hah.  Well at least I got it on my second try!
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 03:27:59 PM »
Point of information I was poking fun at The Secret since that I actually know two people for whom it is their route and philosophy to financial independence. Not Mustachians of course. Not even Dave Ramsey's.

Second point of information - why does everyone assume I'm female? :(
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2012, 03:42:50 PM »
Second point of information - why does everyone assume I'm female? :(

Probably the screen name?  dancedance to me seems much more likely to be a female than male.

Plus the vast, vast majority of people I've seen mention "The Secret" are female.

I have a new avatar you can try that may help though:



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(Just teasin' you, no offense intended.  My bad on that assumption.  :) )
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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 10:27:24 PM »
Yea, at one point Frugal Dad was pushing a lot of coupons and making a lot of money off affiliate links (I assume, because I used to work for a direct competitor) and then he got a site redesign and started doing a lot of infographics, and now it's all college stuff. Could be a shift in his own interests, could be that he got bought out!

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Re: What ever happened to Frugal Dad?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 11:06:59 PM »
Holy old thread Batman!  Thanks for the memories.

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2013, 02:00:20 AM »

My wife has noticed the same thing independently (although she only reads GRS, not TSD).  Example: a day or two ago GRS had an article about 5 easy ways to save or something like that.  All were pretty obvious (put money in a jar, automatic deductions for 401k, etc), but in particular I remember the last one, because my wife commented.

The tip was to put your money in a place where it's hard to access (takes a few days to get out, etc.).  My wife said "Why put it in a place that's so hard to access?  How about you just don't spend it?"

That's the default mindset for a Mustachian, and a foreign concept to the average person.

It's decent advice. It's partly why I paid my mortgage down early, and is also why my emergency fund is in a savings account earning 4% interest, where I loose 3% if I make a withdraw.

These semi forced habits, are having a positive effect on my desire to spend. But I attribute most of it to the awesomeness of the MrMM community.

 

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