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Take the PBS poll and enter your result here.   See how "Out of touch" with the working class you are!

0-25
71 (25.6%)
25-50
155 (56%)
50-75
49 (17.7%)
75+
2 (0.7%)

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Voting closed: June 11, 2016, 08:31:59 PM

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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2016, 02:40:54 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2016, 07:35:00 AM »
This got me dead to rights.  I scored 43 which put me in three groups that described my life very well.  My parents were divorced.  The parents I spent the most time with were upper middle class with my mother being a manager and my step father being a lawyer.  I also spent a lot of time with my father who lived in a working class neighborhood and was a non-manager. 

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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2016, 07:50:50 AM »
30 points. I don't know. It seemed to peg me pretty accurately as a a) first generation upper middle class with middle class parents, and b) second generation upper middle class who gets out a lot.

My parents grew up extremely poor and became middle class after getting higher education and immigrating. They then continued to work their way up and made wise investments and moved into upper middle class. For the first 15 years of my life, we moved every two years as my parents' financial situation improved. So both a) and b) are true.

After growing up in my lower middle class --> middle class --> upper middle class neighbourhoods, I moved to a really poor area of town for graduate school, and then moved to China, where I lived in a neighbourhood where the average monthly salary is about $500 USD. So I suppose I have made a point of getting out a lot.

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2016, 09:14:56 AM »
Got 34. I'm middle class and my parents were middle class.

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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2016, 06:24:11 PM »
54 - 1st generation born in the US, Rural upbringing, (ex) union member, non-military, do not drink domestic beer!

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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2016, 07:05:03 PM »
A thought I had about this quiz last night - "American Middle Class" means "White American Middle Class." I didn't get asked about anything that would have touched on all the Latino/Spanish stuff I do. For example, the tv shows and movies didn't include anything like that. There was no question about, "Have you ever attended a quincinera?"

It's not really a criticism, just a thing to point out. This is the same thing I see in politics. Palin says you are a "real American" if you are her kind of American. There is a whole parallell America that isn't just white people and culture that might affect our "bubbles." I happen to think I get out a lot with people outside my socioeconomic level - they just happen to be Latinos and not within the scope of this survey.

Great comment!

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« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2016, 05:44:36 AM »
Took this back in April (and passed it around my office). I scored a 72.  Grew up solidly (lower) middle class.  Now somehow reside in the upper 3% or so (no fucking idea how that happened, though my other siblings have all done pretty well for themselves as well; 1 is a college grad, the other 2 are not).

Good point about the lack of diversity in those questions, FIREby35.

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« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2016, 01:35:48 PM »
14. Would be 7 but for my answers on factory floor and domestic beer. I am clearly out of touch...

Years back I was developing code for auto stations at a powertrain factory, so I had to visit the floor from time to time to make sure the thing worked. Also I purchased a mass market beer once, but it tasted like crap so I will not be buying mass market going forward. I drink 1 bottle or less a week, so the cost increase is negligible :)

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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2016, 02:08:38 PM »
I'm a bit annoyed at the beer question. I don't have fridge of domestic beer because I don't buy beer at all. It's not like I'm buying fancy stuff.

Or is this saying there are no poor people who don't drink at all?


/yes, I realize I'm privileged, my score was a 33, which was higher than I'd expect. I guess it was "helped" by the fact that I used to live a block from a HUD development. (A house we bought when DH was in grad school, and at the time of purchasing I didn't have a job at all... the fact that we got the loan really says something...)

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« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2016, 02:28:34 PM »
48. Interesting questions. I "cheated" by being Canadian I guess. Apparently growing up in the sticks, having a background in factory work, and having C-grade and born-again Christian friends/classmates makes me somewhat American, though I would have lost points for not watching television, fishing, or drinking beer.

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« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2016, 02:41:20 PM »
54 here.   The descriptions are dead on.   I work in a factory as skilled trade....

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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2016, 03:32:35 PM »
24 - but a few of the questions are really "American" and one is really gender-based, and my score would have been higher if it had more CanCon.  I could probably get a few of the ranks for the Canadian Armed Services, since I worked one summer at a Forces Base hospital.  We don't have the same number of fundamentalist Christians, so my odds of knowing some are low (I grew up in Anglo in Quebec, ask me how many Catholics I knew/know).  I don't like beer - and it didn't ask about wine or hard cider or hard liquor.  And my summer jobs were waitressing and hospital lab and experimental farm work (hi, marijuana-guarding dogs back in '71) and office work, but a lot of the male students I knew in university had factory summer jobs, it was very gender split back then.  And not only was I a union member my whole working life, I was on strike (more than once). Where was a question about walking a picket line when it is -20oC?

But yes, engineer father, well educated for her times mother, well educated me.  Where I live now - people are surprised when I am practical, they expect me to be all "ivory tower".

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« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2016, 07:53:57 PM »
I got a 29.   I come from an educated background, but lived in a small town for several years.    I suspect that's where my points mostly come from.

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« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2016, 08:27:14 PM »
67 - It probably would have been higher, but I don't drink or fish. I grew up poor in a rural area and am first generation middle class so it was pretty spot on for me.  Even though I have a professional position at a nonprofit, I work daily with clients who struggle and have a lot of barriers to employment.  It keeps me grounded and makes me keenly aware of how tough a lot of people have it.  Part of my job is doing vocational training so I spend a lot of time in our company warehouse.  I was able to break the cycle of poverty for myself because people were willing to help me, and I love being able to give that same help to others.

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« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2016, 10:01:51 AM »
63.  My parents were in medicine, but we lived in very small town midwest areas where few people have college degrees.  I grew up thinking a town of 10,000 was a bigger town because they usually had a McDonalds AND a BurgerKing.  My parents now live in the southeast and our kids love WaffleHouse/HuddleHouse for breakfast, and I had a pickup for a while because I always wanted one and finally purchased one.  Jimmy Johnson is NASCAR related and I don't watch much TV or movies.

I'm not sure I agree that the typical rural lifestyle is what defines a bubble, but if you define bubble as insulation from rural america, then no, I'm not in a bubble.

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« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2016, 11:24:07 AM »
Fun - I got 65 and am a cross between:

42–100: A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and movie going habits. Typical: 66.

11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33.

I am somewhere between middle and upper middle and my parents were definitely middle class but purposely chose to raise us in the blue collar neighborhood they grew up in. I've never watched any of the TV shows mentioned so I think I might have atypical television habits.

After high school and a couple of summers in college I worked at a FedEx processing plant and an airline MRO (so i counted those as a factory though they aren't quite but they were shift work) and I certainly was in the Pepsi and GM plants enough in my life, I have lots of high school friends that went military, my brother is a smoker, and my grandparents used to go to Branson every year, oh and I used to be asked to sing the national anthem at lots of Kiwanis meetings growing up - those things definitely bumped my score up. My background is so bizarrely at odds with everyone that I work with (lots of east coast engineers) but I've grown to love being the "Midwesterner."

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« Reply #66 on: June 02, 2016, 01:53:12 PM »
I got 45.  Not really sure what I should do with this information or why I should care.    The United States is a huge country geographically with a lot of sub-cultures and mixes of urban / suburban / rural dwellers so a wide range of scores should be expected.

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« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2016, 06:10:10 PM »
5. Pretty sure that's the lowest score on this thread so far.

And yea, I definitely grew up and still live in a bubble. Grandparents were doctors, all my aunts and uncles from my dad's side have PhDs, my aunts and uncles from my mom's side have at least a bachelors. Parents were natural savers and paid in full for my expensive college education.
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« Reply #68 on: June 02, 2016, 07:33:01 PM »
This quiz is Smug Level 9000.

How exactly is this Mustachian? Do you need the self assurance of fitting in with "elites" ?
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« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2016, 01:07:37 AM »
You can be smug in every way here. If you score one way you're a regular every day low brow person with salt of the earth interests. If you score the other way you're an intellectual far above the hoi poloi. If you score in the middle you got your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds.

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« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2016, 05:45:09 AM »
You can be smug in every way here. If you score one way you're a regular every day low brow person with salt of the earth interests. If you score the other way you're an intellectual far above the hoi poloi. If you score in the middle you got your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds.

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« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2016, 10:39:23 AM »
26.  Raised in a large military family, somewhere in the middle class, live in a place that's not big enough to be a city but not small enough to be a small town.  We can't really afford to eat at sit-down chain restaurants all the time, I don't watch much TV, not really into the hunting/fishing stuff, and I only go to a couple of movies that I'm really interested in seeing, so I'm sure that brought my score down and pegs me as an upper class when I'm not (Like to be though).

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« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2016, 12:15:22 PM »
I think many people may be taking this survey out of it's intended context. The score buckets are huge, uneven (and overlapping, if I remember correctly), because it's not supposed to be scientific or even particularly diagnostic. It was originally included in the author's book in which he argues that due to increasing self-segregation of the American intellectual elite, many people  are becoming disconnected from "working class America". He created and included the quiz to preempt the reaction of many of his readers (who likely are included in the intellectual elite category) of, "Oh, well I'M not out of touch!"

The point of the quiz isn't the score you get, it's the number of questions about things you've never heard of or haven't thought about.

Though, as one of my former classmates commented on Facebook, "While the theory is interesting, and may have some credibility, let us not forget that Charles Murray really, really sucks."
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« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2016, 01:23:11 PM »
I think many people may be taking this survey out of it's intended context. The score buckets are huge, uneven (and overlapping, if I remember correctly), because it's not supposed to be scientific or even particularly diagnostic. It was originally included in the author's book in which he argues that due to increasing self-segregation of the American intellectual elite, many people  are becoming disconnected from "working class America". He created and included the quiz to preempt the reaction of many of his readers (who likely are included in the intellectual elite category) of, "Oh, well I'M not out of touch!"

The point of the quiz isn't the score you get, it's the number of questions about things you've never heard of or haven't thought about.

Though, as one of my former classmates commented on Facebook, "While the theory is interesting, and may have some credibility, let us not forget that Charles Murray really, really sucks."

Yes, I find Murray to be off-putting in terms of his personal philosophies (he's sexist, possibly racist, and rabidly libertarian), and I have a vague memory of finding some of his Bell Curve conclusions problematic from an analysis standpoint, but it's been decades since I read it..

However, this quiz comes from the book "Coming Apart", wherein he examines assortatative mating patterns specifically among white Americans (to try to control for racial issues that complicate sociological patterns) and how they eventually affect earning potential/social segregation/average IQs among groups/eventual broad societal patterns.  I don't know about his data sets/analysis, so can't speak to how biased they are, but I found the book really interesting and definitely worth a read. In fact, I find Murray's work nearly always interesting to read (he's also heavily promoted a form of guaranteed basic income for all citizens).

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« Reply #74 on: June 04, 2016, 10:23:32 PM »
I think many people may be taking this survey out of it's intended context. The score buckets are huge, uneven (and overlapping, if I remember correctly), because it's not supposed to be scientific or even particularly diagnostic. It was originally included in the author's book in which he argues that due to increasing self-segregation of the American intellectual elite, many people  are becoming disconnected from "working class America". He created and included the quiz to preempt the reaction of many of his readers (who likely are included in the intellectual elite category) of, "Oh, well I'M not out of touch!"

The point of the quiz isn't the score you get, it's the number of questions about things you've never heard of or haven't thought about.

Though, as one of my former classmates commented on Facebook, "While the theory is interesting, and may have some credibility, let us not forget that Charles Murray really, really sucks."

ooh,  where's the "like" button.   Best response so far.  :-)

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« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2016, 11:18:34 AM »
Some counter-questions -

- How many live classical music/theatre/opera events have you attended in the last year?

- How many books have you read in the last year (other than for school, work, or technical manuals)?

- How many newspapers do you read that have over 500,000 subscribers (paper plus online)?

- In the past 10 elections (Presidential and midterm), how many did you vote in?

- Name the governors of two states other than your own.

- How many foreign countries have you visited? Do you like to/wish you could do foreign travel?

- How many foreign languages do you speak other than English?  Do you wish you knew more languages?

- How many friends do you have who were born in other countries, or whose parents were?


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« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2016, 12:05:05 PM »
Some counter-questions -

- How many live classical music/theatre/opera events have you attended in the last year?

- How many books have you read in the last year (other than for school, work, or technical manuals)?

- How many newspapers do you read that have over 500,000 subscribers (paper plus online)?

- In the past 10 elections (Presidential and midterm), how many did you vote in?

- Name the governors of two states other than your own.

- How many foreign countries have you visited? Do you like to/wish you could do foreign travel?

- How many foreign languages do you speak other than English?  Do you wish you knew more languages?

- How many friends do you have who were born in other countries, or whose parents were?

Good questions to identify further silo-ing. Out of curiosity, what did you mean by 'counter'?

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« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2016, 12:47:39 PM »
Its interesting that poor and working class is defined as the "American Culture" and deviation from that is interpreted as being "in a bubble".  Having grown up in the working class, dependent of career military dad and both my parents from rural Texas, I'd posit the opposite - it's the rural and working class that live in a bubble.  They have very narrow and close minded views, compared to the people I met in college and later in my upper middle class working career. 

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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2016, 12:54:12 PM »
----Good questions to identify further silo-ing. Out of curiosity, what did you mean by 'counter'?----

Just to show that there are more ways to be American than what you drive and whether you have beer in the fridge.

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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2016, 01:38:48 PM »
Its interesting that poor and working class is defined as the "American Culture" and deviation from that is interpreted as being "in a bubble".  Having grown up in the working class, dependent of career military dad and both my parents from rural Texas, I'd posit the opposite - it's the rural and working class that live in a bubble.  They have very narrow and close minded views, compared to the people I met in college and later in my upper middle class working career.

Ironic, right?

The term used in the book is not 'bubble'. It's 'silo-ing,' and the point under discussion was not that one group is 'better' so much as to point out that the vast majority of Americans throughout our history (and even today despite rising rates of educational attainment) did not attend college or work in white collar professions where only very particular types of intellectual capacity are valued. Therefore, the the author used that type of person is more numerically representative of 'traditional' American culture. Statistically speaking, it IS more representative. As you point out (though Murray did not), 'traditional, populist' American culture was, and remains, somewhat parochial and anti-intellectual. Murray's point is that because of increased silo-ing caused by assortatative mating (usually occurring at elite colleges or in the early stages of these high-powered careers) and by the modern intellectual and skill sets demanded by the global economy, this results in a relatively small subset of Americans (the highly educated professionals who work in the creative class or in careers with heavy intellectual demands) having lifestyles not only COMPLETELY different than the 'average' American's life, but remaining ignorant of just how different the two experiences are. Yet, nearly all the power brokers in our society come from this small subset of Americans (and I'd submit, this is part of why this current political explosion of populism and anti-establishment energy seems to have taken all the power brokers and the media by surprise).

If those reading this thread are interested in another granular breakdown of this topic, a GREAT book is Bill Bishop's "The Big Sort". There are some really neat survey data in there looking at political siloing, which indicate that conservatives and liberals drive different makes of cars, watch different tv and movies, do different types of exercise, raise their kids differently, look for different traits in their pets, landscape differently, etc. Essentially, the two political groups are living side by side in very different versions of America.

Anyway, back to Murray, who points out that many of the upper/intellectual minority of Americans have more in common with, and feel more comfortable socializing with, u/i individuals from OTHER countries than their fellow working-class, less educated Americans. But often, they don't even realize how separated they are from their fellow citizens.

My score (38) pegs me to a tee. My mom came from the working class, my father from 'old-school' upper middle professional with a few bachelor's degrees in business/engineering, etc., who built business in different sales (realty, insurance, etc) but were actively scornful of careers in the liberal arts, though ok with the sciences. I scored as high as I did mainly because I grew up in a very small town and did hard physical work. My husband scored around a 85 I think, when did this exercise a few years ago. The scores pegged him also. He was from a working poor, or occasionally working class, family. who broke out via the military. Then he went to college and a career in scientific research and academia, and now considers himself to have almost nothing in common with anyone in his family, and as a result, rarely has contact with them.

Essentially, we represent an older 'mating model' discussed in Murray's book, where we crossed a bit of class boundary to marry. However, had we had children, that crossover knowledge likely wouldn't have lasted through the next generation. Because we actively self-sorted ourselves into the minority of the educated, upper income American culture...any kids would have likely ended up effectively silo-ed from 'regular America' from birth.

Very interesting stuff.

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« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2016, 06:54:33 PM »
Just stay the hell out of the South.  And I say that as someone from Texas.  Is anyone surprised that the South is an albatross around the neck of this nation?  One more example of why we should have just let them secede:



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« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2016, 07:46:04 AM »
Just stay the hell out of the South.  And I say that as someone from Texas.  Is anyone surprised that the South is an albatross around the neck of this nation?  One more example of why we should have just let them secede:



Ha, too late. I'm in Texas also.

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« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2016, 09:42:17 PM »
Its interesting that poor and working class is defined as the "American Culture" and deviation from that is interpreted as being "in a bubble".  Having grown up in the working class, dependent of career military dad and both my parents from rural Texas, I'd posit the opposite - it's the rural and working class that live in a bubble.  They have very narrow and close minded views, compared to the people I met in college and later in my upper middle class working career.

Narrow and close-mindedness views are not exclusive to any class.

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« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2016, 10:22:14 AM »
Its interesting that poor and working class is defined as the "American Culture" and deviation from that is interpreted as being "in a bubble".  Having grown up in the working class, dependent of career military dad and both my parents from rural Texas, I'd posit the opposite - it's the rural and working class that live in a bubble.  They have very narrow and close minded views, compared to the people I met in college and later in my upper middle class working career.

Narrow and close-mindedness views are not exclusive to any class.

Not exclusive to any class, ethnic/cultural group, spiritual affiliation, geographic area, generation or any other grouping you can imagine.

In fact it might be safe to say that narrow and close-mindedness views is one of the broadest and most inclusive characteristics of society as a whole.

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« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2016, 04:41:09 PM »
3. I am a 24 year old female in Southern California. I am trying to figure out what exactly this means, though apparently it means I'm detached.

I would argue that I'm not that uncommon for my region though. A lot of us who drink will choose the craft beer and we don't all watch tv.
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« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2016, 05:07:14 PM »
3. I am a 24 year old female in Southern California. I am trying to figure out what exactly this means, though apparently it means I'm detached.

I would argue that I'm not that uncommon for my region though. A lot of us who drink will choose the craft beer and we don't all watch tv.

Roughly, I think the number would indicate you are likely a second generation child of parents (and likely grandparents) who were upper middle class to upper class, white-collar, college-educated and that worked in some sort of intellectually demanding technical/information management career. You perhaps went to a somewhat selective secondary school (possibly private) and also graduated college yourself, likely with a graduate degree. The majority of your childhood friends probably shared a similar background.


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« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2016, 07:17:56 PM »
3. I am a 24 year old female in Southern California. I am trying to figure out what exactly this means, though apparently it means I'm detached.

I would argue that I'm not that uncommon for my region though. A lot of us who drink will choose the craft beer and we don't all watch tv.

My DH is also from Southern California and had a similar score to yours. I smile because I feel like Southern California is actually a different planet- a beautiful, wonderful planet, but not the one I grew up on.

My DH would say he is distinctly middle class but when we were driving around his home town I once asked him to look around the street and I said "where are the Chevys and Fords?", his response was "Well I drove a Toyota in high school" (It was an Avalon). My SIL once apologized to me because she thought her garage made her look like "White Trash."  I was totally flummoxed so she pointed out her 24 pack of soda against a wall. I politely explained that in the midwest we use the terminology rather sparingly and storing soda in the garage definitely did not meet the criteria.

The California coast and East Coast (Mid-lantic to Mass) are just so drastically different from the  middle of the country.  One is not better than the other but I often find it difficult to find common ground with my in-laws and they think I'm nuts.

On a related, but funny, note, we were recently in Indiana visiting family over race weekend and I made a comment about my friends all skipping work for "Carb (Carburetion) Day." My husband said "You skip work to eat and drink carbs all day? That is so Indiana." Different planets y'all.

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Re: Take the PBS News Hour quiz! What is your "Out of Touch" Score?
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2016, 08:35:38 PM »
3. I am a 24 year old female in Southern California. I am trying to figure out what exactly this means, though apparently it means I'm detached.

I would argue that I'm not that uncommon for my region though. A lot of us who drink will choose the craft beer and we don't all watch tv.

My DH is also from Southern California and had a similar score to yours. I smile because I feel like Southern California is actually a different planet- a beautiful, wonderful planet, but not the one I grew up on.

My DH would say he is distinctly middle class but when we were driving around his home town I once asked him to look around the street and I said "where are the Chevys and Fords?", his response was "Well I drove a Toyota in high school" (It was an Avalon). My SIL once apologized to me because she thought her garage made her look like "White Trash."  I was totally flummoxed so she pointed out her 24 pack of soda against a wall. I politely explained that in the midwest we use the terminology rather sparingly and storing soda in the garage definitely did not meet the criteria.

The California coast and East Coast (Mid-lantic to Mass) are just so drastically different from the  middle of the country.  One is not better than the other but I often find it difficult to find common ground with my in-laws and they think I'm nuts.

On a related, but funny, note, we were recently in Indiana visiting family over race weekend and I made a comment about my friends all skipping work for "Carb (Carburetion) Day." My husband said "You skip work to eat and drink carbs all day? That is so Indiana." Different planets y'all.
There are a lot of poor and deeply impoverished people in Southern Cali. Lots of immigrants and 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, as well as non immigrants,  who work minimum wage blue color jobs or service industry. Those people seem to be largely forgotten when Cali class statistics crop up. I grew up in SoCal with a divorced German immigrant Mom who barely scraped by on 2  low paying jobs while trying to raise 3 kids. She wasn't the exception either as there were many many others like her. I myself (along with sibs) would be stasticly in the low income working class bracket here but all of us found financial success and FI and RE fairly early. So don't let those mega mcmansions and Teslas fool you, for every one of those in Cali you have hordes of low income workers servicing their luxury lifestyles.

Oh- I hope I didn't offend - I certainly did not mean to! When I said coast I was specifically thinking all the ocean side towns from San Diego northwards. I actually worked a warehouse gig in Vacaville at my first job and had some family out in Temecula (which is still lovely but more economically diverse than like, La Jolla). CA is obviously a huge and economically (and culturally) diverse state.  My amusement stems from my husband's and his families' deep conviction that they are "typical" middle class. It struck me as germane to the quiz and littleqt's response as well.

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« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2016, 09:01:00 AM »
Its interesting that poor and working class is defined as the "American Culture" and deviation from that is interpreted as being "in a bubble".  Having grown up in the working class, dependent of career military dad and both my parents from rural Texas, I'd posit the opposite - it's the rural and working class that live in a bubble.  They have very narrow and close minded views, compared to the people I met in college and later in my upper middle class working career.

Narrow and close-mindedness views are not exclusive to any class.

Well tell that to Charles Murray.

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« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2016, 10:29:00 AM »
I forget - I am sort of brain-dead these days from my horrible ongoing cold - anoxia will do that.  And really I should never have taken it, it is so US oriented (which makes perfect sense in context).  It would be interesting to see the outcome for Canadians on a Canadian based questionnaire.  We are apparently more socially mobile (more chance to rise if born at the bottom, more chance to sink if born at the top) - lots of articles about it when I googled.  So I imagine it would be quite different for types of questions and results.

Silos in general though - I live in a rural mostly farming area, and people make assumptions about me all the time - I find out about them when I don't act like they expect me too and I get a reaction (well they mean to be nice).  Things like "that was so practical and down-to-earth" (i.e. they expected me to be all "ivory tower").  But other results - I know lots of people who go to the theatre (both Montreal and Ottawa) - the dividing line here is age, the retirees can afford to get home at midnight, the ones who have to get to work the next morning can't). 
Curious what one question you felt was gender based? I didn't see anything specific although many where slanted towards "male" given that they were more likely to do some of those things than females were (i.e. drive a truck,  military, physical job, etc...). Not that women don't do those things (Ive done all of them) but probably not as many as men.

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« Reply #90 on: June 08, 2016, 02:46:27 PM »
I got a 77, which really surprises me because, except for 1 year of truck driving 12 years ago, I've been in IT in the DFW area since 1996.
I got a 76.  I see we are the same age, or thereabouts.

Military service, rural upbringing, spent time working in a factory...

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« Reply #91 on: June 08, 2016, 03:08:43 PM »
61

I'm guessing it's "low" because i don't drink domestic beer...because i'm gluten intolerant...*grasps to hold onto redneck points...

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« Reply #92 on: June 08, 2016, 03:25:53 PM »
I got a 68.  But this might also be generational.

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« Reply #93 on: June 08, 2016, 04:29:58 PM »
As a person who came from a working-class milieu and grew up without much money, I can tell you that there is nothing virtuous or romantic about that situation. Flagellating ourselves for being out of touch with it is supremely wrong-headed. Charles Murray is an asshat who needs to stop writing.

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« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2016, 08:42:13 AM »
3. I am a 24 year old female in Southern California. I am trying to figure out what exactly this means, though apparently it means I'm detached.

I would argue that I'm not that uncommon for my region though. A lot of us who drink will choose the craft beer and we don't all watch tv.

My DH is also from Southern California and had a similar score to yours. I smile because I feel like Southern California is actually a different planet- a beautiful, wonderful planet, but not the one I grew up on.

My DH would say he is distinctly middle class but when we were driving around his home town I once asked him to look around the street and I said "where are the Chevys and Fords?", his response was "Well I drove a Toyota in high school" (It was an Avalon). My SIL once apologized to me because she thought her garage made her look like "White Trash."  I was totally flummoxed so she pointed out her 24 pack of soda against a wall. I politely explained that in the midwest we use the terminology rather sparingly and storing soda in the garage definitely did not meet the criteria.

The California coast and East Coast (Mid-lantic to Mass) are just so drastically different from the  middle of the country.  One is not better than the other but I often find it difficult to find common ground with my in-laws and they think I'm nuts.

On a related, but funny, note, we were recently in Indiana visiting family over race weekend and I made a comment about my friends all skipping work for "Carb (Carburetion) Day." My husband said "You skip work to eat and drink carbs all day? That is so Indiana." Different planets y'all.
There are a lot of poor and deeply impoverished people in Southern Cali. Lots of immigrants and 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, as well as non immigrants,  who work minimum wage blue color jobs or service industry. Those people seem to be largely forgotten when Cali class statistics crop up. I grew up in SoCal with a divorced German immigrant Mom who barely scraped by on 2  low paying jobs while trying to raise 3 kids. She wasn't the exception either as there were many many others like her. I myself (along with sibs) would be stasticly in the low income working class bracket here but all of us found financial success and FI and RE fairly early. So don't let those mega mcmansions and Teslas fool you, for every one of those in Cali you have hordes of low income workers servicing their luxury lifestyles.

Same goes for places on the east coast like NYC, Philly and Boston.  I've lived in all three.  You tend to notice the wealthy people more because their houses and cars stand out.  But NYC, for example, is powered largely by legions of low-paid workers who commute long hours (because it's too expensive for them to live in the City) on the subways and commuter rails, and there are far, far more of them than the 1%'ers.  You just have to be paying attention and not looking at all the rich people who are more eye-catching.

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« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2016, 08:34:30 PM »
Sorry to bump this, but I'm just pretty surprised. I think of myself as pretty middle-class and spoiled these days, and consider myself somewhat removed from my working-class roots (in a negative way - that is, I sometimes think I might be too out of touch). But my score was 78, and I'm pretty sure it'd have been even higher if not for the fact I don't watch TV. You can take the boy out of the blue-collar way, but...

(FWIW, I also question some of the implications behind this quiz. I don't resent those people I know who would be considered 'out of touch' per this quiz - I am happy for them having had such a fortunate younger life. Many, in fact most, of them are pretty aware of how lucky they are, too. Plus, of course, being American is about more than drinking Bud Light and watching the race.)
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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2016, 12:04:07 PM »
FiveThirtyEight had a great article on this recently:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/normal-america-is-not-a-small-town-of-white-people/

Thanks, I really enjoyed that, both as a social scientist and as a non-conservative.

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« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2016, 06:37:21 AM »
Interesting.  My score was 67, one of the highest scores on this board.  The quiz did ask some questions I wouldn't have thought of; for example, yes, I've worked in a factory -- I don't think most people here have done that. 

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« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2016, 03:22:55 PM »
I work *in* a factory currently. 

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« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2016, 05:27:42 AM »
I got a 77.

I grew up lower middle class, and that got me a lot of points.  As did serving the the military.

But I'm a multimillionaire with multiple college degrees.  Sure I watch football and occasionally Nascar.  I also go to art museums and read widely.

Can't someone do both?

The survey seems to imply that if you do "middle class" things, that you must still be middle class.



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