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Shower that Recycles Water
« on: April 13, 2017, 06:49:57 AM »
https://orbital-systems.com/

They claim to be able to recycle most of the water you use when you shower, purify it, and reuse it.

It sounds like it could be a great green investment.  Although, $3k+ for the unit is a bit steep.  I wonder what the Pay-Back duration would be on water savings.

It's even WiFi connected.... any idea why though?

Anyway, it might be a good option for anyone building a new home or retrofitting their bathroom.

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Re: Shower that Recycles Water
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2017, 07:06:58 AM »

Just for fun... (check my math!)

water rates around here are $11.16 for 1000 gallons or 0.0116/gal

price of purifier is $3600, so:
3600 / 0.0116 = 322580 gallons of water for the cost of the purifier.  This is assuming it is 100% efficient, loses no water and uses no replaceable filters or power or anything.

A 2.5gpm shower head is by no means an efficient shower head.  Lets use it as an extravagance.

322580 gallons / 2.5 gpm = 129032 min of showering

Lets assume a normal shower is 10 minutes and you take one a day.  (I have no idea what a national average is so I pulled this out of the air.  Multiple occupants of a house will obviously change this.)
129032 min / 10 = 12903 showers

12903 showers / 365 days in a year = 35 years

Obviously there are a lot of factors I've fudged that will nudge this either direction.  I suspect you'd do a lot more to save water if you just didn't have a lawn.

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Re: Shower that Recycles Water
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:11 AM »
Interesting.  We are looking to reduce electrical usage 25% so that our usage matches the output of the solar array we installed.   We already installed a tankless water heater to only heat water on demand, which is nice, but sending all that hot water down the drain is a waste.  Since the tankless heater requires a certain flow rate to trigger the heating element, I don't know how it would work with a shower like this, but recirculating already hot water will require minimal additional heat to maintain the temp.  It must have a supplemental heat source in addition to the pump.

The up-front cost is huge (spork's estimates seem conservative for a 1 shower/day family), but there is a recurring cost of filter pods as well, which you can probably only get from the manufacturer, and they will probably gouge you on the consumable.  Many companies will sell a system nearly at cost and make all their money on consumables.

I wonder if this is patented or if prices will come down with competitors.  It is a great idea, and I wonder how hard it would be to make a DIY version with a hidden recirc pump, heater and filter in the basement where the drain is.  Something where the filter is universally available with lots of suppliers.

WIFI is probably to track how much water and electricity is saved vs. a standard shower.  People who drop loads of cash on a green technology like to be constantly reminded of what a great thing they did and how wonderful they are for doing it.  Our solar array production is tracked and we receive a monthly summary email update.

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Re: Shower that Recycles Water
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 07:32:00 AM »
Great insights!

Spork's math, although rough, makes enough of a case against purchasing this simply for water costs.  However, it could make you feel good about not being water-wasteful.  It also doesn't take into account the cost of traditional shower hardware that you would forego purchasing if this were used as an alternative rather than a replacement.  Any idea how much plumbing in a tradition shower would cost compared to this system?  I'm sure it's still a 15 year pay off, not counting filters.

I also thought about the filter replacements.  You're probably right about the costs involved there, Homestead.  That seems to be Brita's business plan.

I'm sure there will be competitors and lower prices in the future.  It's a great idea, that a lot of greenies will love...  It may become mandatory to install these types of systems in California next time there is a serious drought.

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Re: Shower that Recycles Water
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2017, 08:57:56 AM »
Great insights!

Spork's math, although rough, makes enough of a case against purchasing this simply for water costs.  However, it could make you feel good about not being water-wasteful.  It also doesn't take into account the cost of traditional shower hardware that you would forego purchasing if this were used as an alternative rather than a replacement.  Any idea how much plumbing in a tradition shower would cost compared to this system?  I'm sure it's still a 15 year pay off, not counting filters.


Yeah my math is very back-of-an-envelope... adjust if you know minutes per day or gpm or whatever...  It just sounded fun to compute.

I don't think you will forgo any plumbing by installing this.  I can't say I know this for a fact.  But I'd suspect you actually have more plumbing, not less.  I'm just picturing that you'd have something similar to a traditional plumbing set up with additional plumbing added on to take wastewater back into the system.

And yeah, wifi is because... wifi.  As a computer security nerd my general feelings are that if it doesn't need network connectivity, it shouldn't have it.  This is just another OS to maintain.  (Hint: it won't be maintained.)

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Re: Shower that Recycles Water
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2017, 02:31:55 PM »
Isn't this as easy as using the gray water to, say, water a tree and shrubs? Run it through a bio water filter right into the ground. A few cities actually allow this (at least from the clothes washer).

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!