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If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:19:30 PM »
Joe Rogan on Ben Shapiro's podcast:

"If you have fuck you money and you don't say fuck you, who will?"

https://youtu.be/KdFMBSPxfMw

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2019, 02:07:31 PM »
Reminds me of the recent thing with Bezos recently and the National Inquirer.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 02:11:08 PM »
Not gonna even click that link.... Shapiro is one of those toxic outrage brigade of commentators that all of us would be better off from not listening to.

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2019, 04:00:39 PM »
Not gonna even click that link.... Shapiro is one of those toxic outrage brigade of commentators that all of us would be better off from not listening to.

I did.  Curiously, I didn't magically turn into a Nazi.  Though I still disagree with him on many points.  Really it was two guys having a civil conversation and the only real bad part was it had very little to do with FIRE.  The tagline wasn't until the end.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2019, 04:11:30 PM »
I saw that episode when it was newish. If I recall, Joe Rogan was considered alt-right because he has conservative speakers on (conveniently ignoring left wing and apolitical guests), in particular Alex Jones, and at that time Alex Jones was still getting flamed for his crap. So for awhile Joe Rogan was in a defensive posture. This comes out in the interview with Shapiro. Anyway, I like Rogan. Neil deGrasse Tysonbeat the conspiracy-minded framework of fallacious reasoning out of Rogan; since then Rogan's thinking has sharpened.

Here is Rogan with Russel Brand (a socialist) and Jim Breuer, speaking on fuck you money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEc1qeD7UQc&feature=youtu.be&t=2h34m22s
I resonate with him saying 'If I have opinions and I don't express them because I'm worried about job opportunities, I'm already in prison'.
I think the interview with Peter Schiff would be of more interest for MMM readers.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 04:16:10 PM by JZinCO »

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2019, 05:56:48 PM »
I don't watch Rogan that much but it would be interesting to see someone Mustachian on there.  I don't recall any guests that I've seen on his show that would count.  But Rogan is a wealthy guy who gets shit done and probably throws around a fair bit of coin.  It would be interesting to see someone chat with him about more stoic/frugal ideas.  He generally doesn't like "famine thinking" but I think he's also somewhat detached from more working-class types.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2019, 12:00:58 PM »
I saw that episode when it was newish. If I recall, Joe Rogan was considered alt-right because he has conservative speakers on (conveniently ignoring left wing and apolitical guests), in particular Alex Jones, and at that time Alex Jones was still getting flamed for his crap. So for awhile Joe Rogan was in a defensive posture. This comes out in the interview with Shapiro. Anyway, I like Rogan. Neil deGrasse Tysonbeat the conspiracy-minded framework of fallacious reasoning out of Rogan; since then Rogan's thinking has sharpened.

Here is Rogan with Russel Brand (a socialist) and Jim Breuer, speaking on fuck you money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEc1qeD7UQc&feature=youtu.be&t=2h34m22s
I resonate with him saying 'If I have opinions and I don't express them because I'm worried about job opportunities, I'm already in prison'.
I think the interview with Peter Schiff would be of more interest for MMM readers.

I think true, "FU Money" is when you have enough to never have to enter the workforce again. If you are 25 years old, have 100K saved and want to tell your current boss to go "F" themselves, you better hope you never see that boss again in your career.

If the goal is to FIRE asap, then burning bridges will not help you get there. If you want to burn a bridge at your final stop, then go for it. You earned it. 


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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2019, 12:30:58 PM »
You don't need to say the literal words "fuck you"! It just means, you can quit your job without a new job lined up, because you have enough money to survive an extended period of job hunting. Or that you can speak up about issues in the workplace without fear of being fired, because you won't go bankrupt.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2019, 12:31:08 PM »
I saw that episode when it was newish. If I recall, Joe Rogan was considered alt-right because he has conservative speakers on (conveniently ignoring left wing and apolitical guests), in particular Alex Jones, and at that time Alex Jones was still getting flamed for his crap. So for awhile Joe Rogan was in a defensive posture. This comes out in the interview with Shapiro. Anyway, I like Rogan. Neil deGrasse Tysonbeat the conspiracy-minded framework of fallacious reasoning out of Rogan; since then Rogan's thinking has sharpened.

Here is Rogan with Russel Brand (a socialist) and Jim Breuer, speaking on fuck you money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEc1qeD7UQc&feature=youtu.be&t=2h34m22s
I resonate with him saying 'If I have opinions and I don't express them because I'm worried about job opportunities, I'm already in prison'.
I think the interview with Peter Schiff would be of more interest for MMM readers.

I think true, "FU Money" is when you have enough to never have to enter the workforce again. If you are 25 years old, have 100K saved and want to tell your current boss to go "F" themselves, you better hope you never see that boss again in your career.

If the goal is to FIRE asap, then burning bridges will not help you get there. If you want to burn a bridge at your final stop, then go for it. You earned it.

It depends on your circumstances.
I burned my last boss pretty badly and it has no impact on my career.

Everyone's career is different. You really can't generalize.
For some, FU money needs to be full FI, for some of us, just having a decent emergency fund is enough to embolden us to be fearless in our careers.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2019, 08:04:50 PM »
I saw that episode when it was newish. If I recall, Joe Rogan was considered alt-right because he has conservative speakers on (conveniently ignoring left wing and apolitical guests), in particular Alex Jones, and at that time Alex Jones was still getting flamed for his crap. So for awhile Joe Rogan was in a defensive posture. This comes out in the interview with Shapiro. Anyway, I like Rogan. Neil deGrasse Tysonbeat the conspiracy-minded framework of fallacious reasoning out of Rogan; since then Rogan's thinking has sharpened.

Here is Rogan with Russel Brand (a socialist) and Jim Breuer, speaking on fuck you money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEc1qeD7UQc&feature=youtu.be&t=2h34m22s
I resonate with him saying 'If I have opinions and I don't express them because I'm worried about job opportunities, I'm already in prison'.
I think the interview with Peter Schiff would be of more interest for MMM readers.

I think true, "FU Money" is when you have enough to never have to enter the workforce again. If you are 25 years old, have 100K saved and want to tell your current boss to go "F" themselves, you better hope you never see that boss again in your career.

If the goal is to FIRE asap, then burning bridges will not help you get there. If you want to burn a bridge at your final stop, then go for it. You earned it.

It depends on your circumstances.
I burned my last boss pretty badly and it has no impact on my career.

Everyone's career is different. You really can't generalize.
For some, FU money needs to be full FI, for some of us, just having a decent emergency fund is enough to embolden us to be fearless in our careers.

I think it's better to just say "No thank you."  when you're told to do something unacceptable.   Be polite, there's no need to get insubordinate and possibly give them leverage to control your departure date.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2019, 09:23:22 PM »
I saw that episode when it was newish. If I recall, Joe Rogan was considered alt-right because he has conservative speakers on (conveniently ignoring left wing and apolitical guests), in particular Alex Jones, and at that time Alex Jones was still getting flamed for his crap. So for awhile Joe Rogan was in a defensive posture. This comes out in the interview with Shapiro. Anyway, I like Rogan. Neil deGrasse Tysonbeat the conspiracy-minded framework of fallacious reasoning out of Rogan; since then Rogan's thinking has sharpened.

Here is Rogan with Russel Brand (a socialist) and Jim Breuer, speaking on fuck you money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEc1qeD7UQc&feature=youtu.be&t=2h34m22s
I resonate with him saying 'If I have opinions and I don't express them because I'm worried about job opportunities, I'm already in prison'.
I think the interview with Peter Schiff would be of more interest for MMM readers.

I think true, "FU Money" is when you have enough to never have to enter the workforce again. If you are 25 years old, have 100K saved and want to tell your current boss to go "F" themselves, you better hope you never see that boss again in your career.

If the goal is to FIRE asap, then burning bridges will not help you get there. If you want to burn a bridge at your final stop, then go for it. You earned it.

It depends on your circumstances.
I burned my last boss pretty badly and it has no impact on my career.

Everyone's career is different. You really can't generalize.
For some, FU money needs to be full FI, for some of us, just having a decent emergency fund is enough to embolden us to be fearless in our careers.

I think it's better to just say "No thank you."  when you're told to do something unacceptable.   Be polite, there's no need to get insubordinate and possibly give them leverage to control your departure date.

To me it totally depends on context.  Especially what wrong thing you're ordered to do and under what circumstances.  "No thank you." is a perfectly adequate go-to response 99% of the time in most jobs.  Even, maybe especially, if you plan to drop a nuclear bomb later.  However, politeness and professionalism in a vacuum are not virtues.  Some bridges are worth burning; some enemies are worth having, winning some battles are worth losing the war for.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 05:54:36 AM »

I think true, "FU Money" is when you have enough to never have to enter the workforce again. If you are 25 years old, have 100K saved and want to tell your current boss to go "F" themselves, you better hope you never see that boss again in your career.

If the goal is to FIRE asap, then burning bridges will not help you get there. If you want to burn a bridge at your final stop, then go for it. You earned it.

It depends on your circumstances.
I burned my last boss pretty badly and it has no impact on my career.

Everyone's career is different. You really can't generalize.
For some, FU money needs to be full FI, for some of us, just having a decent emergency fund is enough to embolden us to be fearless in our careers.
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I think it's better to just say "No thank you."  when you're told to do something unacceptable.   Be polite, there's no need to get insubordinate and possibly give them leverage to control your departure date.
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Oh no no no...
In my particular case, it actually was as graceful an exit as possible, but that bridge needed to be burned and I've gained a lot of professional respect as a result.

It was a situation that was far more complex than simply politely declining to do something.

My point was that it depends on the circumstances, but yes, I agree, not burning bridges unless you have to is always preferable.

That said, we may have a different definition of "burning bridges" since you seem to be implying it as being unnecessarily impolite/insubordinate and I'm defining it as any scenario where the way you choose to exit leaves bad blood with your employer.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2019, 09:08:06 AM »
Well...  I tend to do a poor delivery when I'm pissed off enough to be impolite.   So it doesn't have the desired impact.   

But mostly I'd avoid giving the other party a negotiating advantage.    It's much easier to (figuratively) smack them upside the head if they don't see it coming.    And you do need to be careful about choosing which bridge to burn.



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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2019, 09:51:20 AM »
Well...  I tend to do a poor delivery when I'm pissed off enough to be impolite.   So it doesn't have the desired impact.   

But mostly I'd avoid giving the other party a negotiating advantage.    It's much easier to (figuratively) smack them upside the head if they don't see it coming.    And you do need to be careful about choosing which bridge to burn.

Absolutely.
Our posts can be combined to say "be very strategic in burning bridges unless you are 100% done with your career"

I just like to point out that most people can afford to be a lot bolder than they think they can in their careers. There are tons of post-FIRE folks who ended up far more successful after they stopped worrying so much about avoiding conflict.

For me, being extremely bold has benefitted my career tremendously.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2019, 02:50:38 PM »
You don't need to say the literal words "fuck you"! It just means, you can quit your job without a new job lined up, because you have enough money to survive an extended period of job hunting. Or that you can speak up about issues in the workplace without fear of being fired, because you won't go bankrupt.
That's what I would say also.  I've got FU money but am also FI and still working, so not RE.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2019, 10:38:02 PM »
You don't need to say the literal words "fuck you"! It just means, you can quit your job without a new job lined up, because you have enough money to survive an extended period of job hunting. Or that you can speak up about issues in the workplace without fear of being fired, because you won't go bankrupt.

OR...

You can speak up about issues in the workplace with the hope of being FIREd, with a severance.

Heard it from a friend.

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Re: If you have fuck you money, say fuck you
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2019, 08:48:01 AM »
"What's the point of having fuck you money if you don't get to say fuck you?"

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