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Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« on: July 25, 2016, 08:57:28 AM »
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2016/07/21/test-nku-economist-goes-food-stamps-year/86801036/

In my professional career, I met Prof. Harrah, and she was intensely frugal (at a time when she earned double my salary). Mustachians would find her a sympathetic figure.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 09:33:48 AM »
A waste of time. Being that poor means being subject to a lot of stress, real and imagined, that most people who've got their shit together don't understand. In the end the compassionate walk away thinking it was doable but rice and beans suck: we need to increase food stamps. The not so compassionate: piece of cake we don't need to do jack.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 09:45:50 AM »
She already touches on some of these points, but it is easier to accomplish these low-spending challenges when you have a lot of assets to begin with. Much like it's really easy to live on $1k per month, if you have a paid off mortgage. In this case, some of these factors are:

1) living in a nice area / not a food desert: she can actually go to a proper grocery store
2) owning a car: like #1 with additional cheaper choices, and the efficiency of hauling a lot of things at once
3) having a well-equipped kitchen: opens up more possibilities for cheap ingredients
4) leisure time to comparison shop and clip coupons
... and I'm sure there are more

So her experiment at most proves that well-off people can reduce their food spending. Still a good point to make!

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 09:57:44 AM »
I'm curious if she used the same "rules" as SNAP, too; like being able to receive $10 in fruits/vegetables per day.

I'm also not sure it's the best experiment because of some of the above points (she's essentially got all her expenses already covered). It's also a bit disingenuous because lots of people on food stamps eat fast food regularly; something that SNAP isn't covering. That's coming out of a separate pool of money, which is something her experiment isn't accounting for. It fluctuates how much money needs to be spent on grocery food.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2016, 06:18:58 AM »
$132/person/month.  That doesn't sound bad to me.  That's about what I spend on groceries without really trying too hard.  I buy all my meat "reduced for quick sale", buy lots of fresh vegetables, and a few prepared items from the deli.  Of course, I do have to agree that reliable transportation and a functional kitchen make all the difference.  And, of course, it's always easier when you're not regulated by specific rules -- I mean, I don't have to wait 'til the first of the month, etc. 

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2016, 07:35:58 AM »
Liberals might identify another category of privilege as growing up in a home in which you can learn the skills to manage this sort of grocery budget (which is displayed by a lower reliance on the fast food options).

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 10:36:21 AM »
It's also a bit disingenuous because lots of people on food stamps eat fast food regularly; something that SNAP isn't covering.

And saving isn't possible because lots of people spend more than they make?   

That statement has as much bogus logic in it as yours does.

I work hard for my money.  I don't mind paying taxes to help those in need, but I have no interest in paying taxes for other people's convenience.  Particularly on a forum where we don't recommend doing so for ourselves...

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 10:47:39 AM »
I'm curious if she used the same "rules" as SNAP, too; like being able to receive $10 in fruits/vegetables per day.
Wait, is that really a thing?  $300/month just for fresh produce can't be right...

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 11:08:34 AM »
I'm curious if she used the same "rules" as SNAP, too; like being able to receive $10 in fruits/vegetables per day.
Wait, is that really a thing?  $300/month just for fresh produce can't be right...
I know, I was just thinking the same thing. You would be drowning in fresh fruits and veges! They'd be rolling in faster and in large quantities than they can be consumed. You don't even need the rice and beans at that point...

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2016, 10:53:25 AM »
I'm curious if she used the same "rules" as SNAP, too; like being able to receive $10 in fruits/vegetables per day.

I'm also not sure it's the best experiment because of some of the above points (she's essentially got all her expenses already covered). It's also a bit disingenuous because lots of people on food stamps eat fast food regularly; something that SNAP isn't covering. That's coming out of a separate pool of money, which is something her experiment isn't accounting for. It fluctuates how much money needs to be spent on grocery food.

Where is this from?  All I could find related was WIC gives a 10$ A MONTH voucher for fruits/vegetables.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2016, 01:28:24 PM »
1) living in a nice area / not a food desert: she can actually go to a proper grocery store

A slight aside but the way food deserts are calculated has bothered me since I found out I actually lived in one for several years without noticing. All of the following were within a 10 minute drive:
2 Meijers
3 Krogers
2 Whole Foods
1 Busch's
1 Trader Joes
1 Sam's Club
1 Costco
1 Middle Eastern Grocery
1 Asian Grocery

I would regularly walk or bike to the Kroger 1.5 miles away or take a 7 minute bus ride to one of the Meijers.

The problem is that your area is either urban or rural for the calculation. If its classified as urban you need to be within 1 mile of a super market or large grocery store to not be in a food desert (Its 10 miles for rural). That city of 95,000 was treated the same as Chicago or NY. So, despite plentiful options and easy access to a variety of places I technically lived in a food desert for 3 years

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2016, 05:04:50 PM »
Liberals might identify another category of privilege as growing up in a home in which you can learn the skills to manage this sort of grocery budget (which is displayed by a lower reliance on the fast food options).
Fair enough.  I grew up eating home cooked meals around the family table, and I was taught to cook dried beans, etc.  Everyone didn't learn those lessons as a child -- but no one's forced to continue to live in ignorance.  Information on how to cook is widely available.

It's a matter of habit and failing to realize that it's possible to live differently. 

I've mentioned my no-good cousin on this board before.  When he's working, on payday he takes his family to Golden Corral, where they stuff themselves ... and his wife takes her big purse so they can steal fried chicken and rolls.  For the next couple days they eat fast food value meals.  Once their weekly money's gone, they don't eat. Even the children, though the older two get free breakfast and lunch at school now.  Before our grandmother died, they'd show up at her house at mealtime in hopes of food.  Both my grandmother and I offered to teach them to budget their food dollar and to cook inexpensive meals -- they would not hear of it:  Beans and cornbread are for poor people.  It's too much trouble.  The kids don't like that kind of food.  They didn't want to learn. 

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2016, 05:08:19 PM »
I'm curious if she used the same "rules" as SNAP, too; like being able to receive $10 in fruits/vegetables per day.
Wait, is that really a thing?  $300/month just for fresh produce can't be right...
No, no -- IF this is a thing, I understand the question.  None of us want to go the grocery store every single day; rather, we want to go and pick up food to last at least a couple days.  If you were  limited to $10/day in fresh produce, you might not be able to get a week's worth for $10, meaning you'd have to return to the store a second time. 

However, keep in mind that fresh fruits and vegetables have no nutritional value over frozen or no-salt canned varieties.  So this is a matter of taste. 

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016, 03:42:29 AM »
I think the key is in the title supplemental nutrition assistance program (SNAP).

People seem to think it is supposed to be the entire food budget. Just like social security was never intended to be the sole source of retirement income.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2016, 09:36:52 AM »
The kids don't like that kind of food.

I bet they liked it more than not eating...

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2016, 02:06:29 PM »
I'm actually very impressed that she's doing it for a year.  Most people who've done the challenge did not do it for long.  Cook For Good being a glaring exception.

The thing that struck me the most was that she admitted the amount of time it takes.  I have a full time job and two kids.  (Husband works full time two.)  Over the last many years, it's been a give-and-take among time, budget, and health.

What a lot of people who criticize food stamp recipients fail to realize is that many of them have full time jobs.  The amount of work required to keep to a food stamp challenge is substantial.  Prepping your own meats, beans, rice, vegetables...it's a lot of time. (and shopping for deals too).  Plus being "ready" for anything if you aren't at home.

I recognize that SNAP is supposed to "supplemental", but hey - you know the numbers are set by income.  People with full time jobs are on SNAP too.

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Re: Economics Professor Taking the "food stamp challenge"
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2016, 04:11:05 PM »
1) living in a nice area / not a food desert: she can actually go to a proper grocery store

A slight aside but the way food deserts are calculated has bothered me since I found out I actually lived in one for several years without noticing. All of the following were within a 10 minute drive:
2 Meijers
3 Krogers
2 Whole Foods
1 Busch's
1 Trader Joes
1 Sam's Club
1 Costco
1 Middle Eastern Grocery
1 Asian Grocery

I would regularly walk or bike to the Kroger 1.5 miles away or take a 7 minute bus ride to one of the Meijers.

The problem is that your area is either urban or rural for the calculation. If its classified as urban you need to be within 1 mile of a super market or large grocery store to not be in a food desert (Its 10 miles for rural). That city of 95,000 was treated the same as Chicago or NY. So, despite plentiful options and easy access to a variety of places I technically lived in a food desert for 3 years

It does seem odd how it's calculated, because I've live in several "food deserts" over the years and found them not all that desertified. And I've seen several studies showing that most people in food deserts have access to transportation. It's just so incredibly variable... I've been in places where there were jitneys outside the grocery store all the time, and people relied on those once/month to haul home heavy stuff, and I've lived in places where there really wasn't much transportation.

It seems to be worse if you live outside of town, though, but many people imagine the inner city.