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Re: 'Millennials donít like fabric softener': sales fall 26 per cent
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2017, 01:23:45 PM »
Having spent a lot of time living in hot climates, I also noticed that clothes were coming out of the cold wash smelling less than fresh. So YMMV.

I've washed exclusively with cold water for years now, and for a great many of those years I've been washing thick, sweaty judo and jiu-jitsu gis.  The only way that I could get stuff to smell clean with a single wash was to pre-soak really stinky stuff for about two hours in the washing machine with Oxy-Clean and detergent before running the cycle.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2017, 12:55:55 PM »
Maybe my uh, sweat, don't stink...  :-)  Cold wash comes out just as clean smelling as warm.

Maybe you've got really bad water?

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« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2017, 09:20:04 AM »
I'm 47, I have raised 3 kids (youngest is 17) and I have NEVER used fabric softener. Of drying sheets for that matter. I never even heard of them before I lived in Canada as an expat (I'm from the Netherlands). I have very sensitive skin and I wash all clothes with a very soft, almost odorless detergent. Everything is clean, smells good and is soft enough. :-)

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« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2017, 07:50:57 AM »
I'm 47, I have raised 3 kids (youngest is 17) and I have NEVER used fabric softener. Of drying sheets for that matter. I never even heard of them before I lived in Canada as an expat (I'm from the Netherlands). I have very sensitive skin and I wash all clothes with a very soft, almost odorless detergent. Everything is clean, smells good and is soft enough. :-)

It used to be for sale in the Netherlands as well, because I used it during my years as a student when I didn't know better.

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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2017, 02:42:49 PM »
Fabric softener is optional, generally speaking. I use baking soda or washing soda to soften the water and increase the effectiveness of the detergent. Vinegar as a final rinse, is fine.

I don't do cold washes though. Washing at under 60 degrees does leave certain nasty bugs alive, such as E.coli. So loads which include underwear and bedlinen/towels/kitchen stuff should go on a hot wash.

Having spent a lot of time living in hot climates, I also noticed that clothes were coming out of the cold wash smelling less than fresh. So YMMV.

The only time in my life when I've used a hot wash is for sheets once when I had a skin infection.

99.9% of the time a regular cold wash is perfect for your clothes, including sheets and towels, plus it's better for the environment and your wallet.

Air dry in the sun in your worried about hygiene, especially for sheets. I also add a cup of white vinegar to my load to help clean and deoderise the fabric. I also leave my bed unmade (sheets folded back) with my windows open to allow fresh air and sunlight as that's better to help dry out any moisture and kill nasties.

I've never used fabric softener in my life, it's bogus. My clothes are soft, comfortable, fresh and they last for years just using regular greywater safe, plant-based washing liquid. I have shirts that I wear weekly which are 8+ years old and still neat and clean!

People are suckers. Read/listen to 'Predictably Irrational' by Dan Ariely to learn more about how we are tricked by marketing spin doctors into buying junk that we don't actually need.

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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2017, 04:07:19 PM »
If you wash and dry without softener and machine-dry, can you comment on static cling? Do wool balls help?

We're currently using up some detergent with FS that we got from our (millennial, like us) friends that were moving away. Left to my own devices, I use plain detergent and warm water. I've read that oversudsing is a big problem in US laundry habits, so I try to be careful with that. I do use dryer sheets, as I grew up doing, but I've transitioned to only adding them to thin fabrics prone to static which I find very annoying; we use (rubber) dryer balls on towels, sheets, jeans, hoodies, etc, but I felt like they were ripping up t-shirts. Since reading MMM I've started rack-drying most knits/sweaters, synthetics, and nicer clothes I want to last longer, but I'm unwilling to drape the apartment in underwear besides my hand-washed bras (I know some of you do. Kudos!)

We have shared coin-op laundry for the 10 units in the building, so the cost is the same regardless of the settings chosen; you could make an argument for the environment, but the water heater is working to keep the water at temp regardless of the setting you choose, so I'm pretty sure the impact of choosing warm rather than cold here is vanishingly small... What bugs me most about the setup is the dryers have a base setting of 80 mins for a dollar (you can then add at 20min/25c) The towels, etc sometimes need all that time, but a washer-sized load of tees and undies does not. I'll occasionally swap out loads mid-cycle (and maybe add 20min), but that's a hassle to keep track of and takes more consecutive time...

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Re: 'Millennials donít like fabric softener': sales fall 26 per cent
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2017, 03:21:57 PM »
I've been using homemade laundry detergent (1 bar grated Fels-Naptha soap, 1 cup borax, 1 cup washing soda) and for fabric softener use vinegar with a bit of essential oil put in the jug.  (Shake before use to distribute.)  My towels are more absorbent and everything seems fresher.  As a plus, the laundry room smells pleasantly of the peppermint oil I used. 

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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2017, 02:00:34 AM »
When I used to work in pantyhose and wore skirts, unless I used fabric softener, everything would cling, but I only ever used it for those clothes (and it worked).  But I solved the problem by ceasing to wear skirts and not wearing pantyhose, and haven't used fabric softener for many years. I hated pantyhose!

Like many (it used to be all) Australians, I line dry, and I actually don't own a dryer, so no dryer sheets for me!



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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2017, 05:56:16 AM »
I'm Gen X (age 43) and have never used it either.  It doesn't makes clothes any cleaner so why bother using it? Also I also have allergic reactions to some laundry detergents. And I prefer scratchy towels.  But for me it has always been primarily an environmental and economic matter.

I don't use dryer sheets for the same reason.

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Re: 'Millennials donít like fabric softener': sales fall 26 per cent
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2017, 06:02:07 AM »
I'm a millennial (26).. I think...

I have bought a box of dryer sheets.... but it's still going strong 4 years later.

I literally cannot notice the difference if it's been used or not. At this point I'm just running out the box as I'm tired of seeing it!

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« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2017, 07:29:37 AM »

This seems like similar logic to "I just rinse my dishes with water and call them clean." Hopefully you're not doing that as well. Just because you can't see bacteria doesn't mean they aren't there.

Curious as to whether you use toilet paper or if you take a full shower after every trip to the toilet.
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2017, 11:38:50 AM »
Ths thread is timely.

Last week we went to Walmart. We never go to Walmart, but a friend recoomeded DH go there to get a specific item.  As we walked through the aisle someone handed me a sample it was some kind of laundry smelling freebie thing.

I thought what the hell, I will try this. I put a few of the beads in laundry.

Boy is it smelly! It smells like all of the thrift stores are used but especially Goodwill. Now I know where that smell comes from, most of the donated clothes must be freshly laundered and with  this smelly junk.

I have nothing against thrift stores I have shopped them for decades. But I have never liked the smell.

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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2017, 05:06:18 PM »
We don't typically wash anything with dangerous bacteria, so I use very little detergent.  Like half the bottom line and everything seems fine.  I do like to use a little, as it certainly does help remove oils.  If I was washing diapers, you know I'd be using detergent, hot water and bleach.

This discussion sort of falls into the "do we really need soap" category, where yeah you can live without it but the cost and environmental impact is so minimal it doesn't hurt to use it sparingly.

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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2017, 02:20:21 AM »
My uncle, who is a sales person, once sold my mother some "magic" discs. If you put these into your washing machine, you could use much less detergent and your laundry would still get clean. My mother trusted her sister (my uncle's wife) in telling her that the discs really worked.

And of course they worked, because people in general use too much detergent anyway. It still worked when my mother didn't use the discs anymore.

When I was a student, I used to buy the el cheapo washing detergent and combined that with using a minimum amount of detergent, combined with low washing temperature. That did not work. Clothes came out smelling of sweat. You need to either increase temperature, use more detergent or use better quality detergent.
Nowadays I still use el cheapo detergent, because I still it is secretly the same stuff as the more expensive detergent. But I have increased the water temperature a bit. Some modern washing machines today actually use lower temperatures than you choose on the machine. This to get a better energy score. So I now use 40C instead of 30C. This gets most laundry clean.

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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2017, 11:01:06 AM »
My uncle, who is a sales person, once sold my mother some "magic" discs. If you put these into your washing machine, you could use much less detergent and your laundry would still get clean. My mother trusted her sister (my uncle's wife) in telling her that the discs really worked.

And of course they worked, because people in general use too much detergent anyway. It still worked when my mother didn't use the discs anymore.

When I was a student, I used to buy the el cheapo washing detergent and combined that with using a minimum amount of detergent, combined with low washing temperature. That did not work. Clothes came out smelling of sweat. You need to either increase temperature, use more detergent or use better quality detergent.
Nowadays I still use el cheapo detergent, because I still it is secretly the same stuff as the more expensive detergent. But I have increased the water temperature a bit. Some modern washing machines today actually use lower temperatures than you choose on the machine. This to get a better energy score. So I now use 40C instead of 30C. This gets most laundry clean.

There is a difference between detergents, but as you mention cheap doesn't necessarily mean bad.  So if you are trying one cheapo brand that isn't working well, try to find the house-labeled Tide (or whatever).  Really, I've seen the tests that show Tide is the bestest.  I'm willing to pay a bit more for it (still only on sale) and use a lot less than get something really bad and have to use more.

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« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2017, 11:29:31 AM »
We don't typically wash anything with dangerous bacteria, so I use very little detergent.

I can just imagine the large piles of dangerous bacteria contaminated clothing stashed around your house.  Splurge a little dragoncar, use that tiny bit extra of detergent.

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« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2017, 12:35:05 PM »
People who have a hard time getting whites to actually appear their original white should occasionally use a tiny bit of bluing in the wash.  Bluing is something all of our great grandparents knew about but has slowly fell by the wayside. 

Here's an example:
http://mrsstewart.com/

For eco-folks, there shouldn't be too much worry--it's an extremely fine iron powder dissolved in water.

A small bottle should last you decades because you only use 1/8 of a teaspoon very occasionally when whites look yellow.  You can also use it to restore a bit of blue color to faded jeans.

Read more at:  http://lifehacker.com/keep-white-clothes-whiter-with-bluing-liquid-1633760416
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Re: 'Millennials donít like fabric softener': sales fall 26 per cent
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2017, 02:20:13 PM »
But soes bluing work on non-natural fabrics?
I, sure it s good foe cotton, but polyester?

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« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2017, 02:33:48 PM »
But soes bluing work on non-natural fabrics?
I, sure it s good foe cotton, but polyester?


In my experience, that varies. Bluing always works on cotton, linen, and wool. It works on some nylons and maybe on some polyesters, but not all.  If I recall correctly, it doesn't work on rayon at all.

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« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2017, 04:33:21 PM »
That sounds odd, since rayon is sometimes called a natural fibre, as it is cellulose, and therefore it should react the same way to blueing.