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what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« on: June 25, 2018, 12:00:57 PM »
what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid and what gave you the most bang for your buck ?

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2018, 12:22:49 PM »
When they all moved to their rooms, 1 girl separate and 2 boys together, I told them to make their beds but if they didn't, leave their door closed so I didn't have to see it.
The girl's was always closed, the boys, open.

The biggest bang was buying the boys, who requested them, golf clubs. We live on an acre, with a 300' field behind us, that they used for hours. When they were older they were responsible to take to the golf course, 2 miles away, with a time they'd get picked up (we paid the course fee.)


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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2018, 12:56:09 PM »
Thinking that I had to do everything "right" or my kid would be fucked, and spending far too much mental energy trying to figure out what "right" is.  Kids are made of rubber, both physically and emotionally; love them and make them feel safe, give them space to explore and play, let them take the 1-2' fall but not the 5' one, and the vast majority of them will be fine.

OTOH, the biggest bang for my buck was hanging on tenaciously to the one thing that was a real outlier and refusing to let go until I knew what the problem was and how to manage it (ADHD).

And of course the wisdom comes in knowing the difference.  Which almost no one gets right the first time.  ;-)  So don't waste time beating yourself up when you discover you wasted too much time on the wrong thing and not enough on the right one.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2018, 08:05:16 PM »
Cloth diapers were a big waste of time.  Too much labor for a two income household and we went back to disposables quick.  We tried the reusable containers for baby food pouches and that also did not get much use.  At our income level in the low 100s, we have more money than time and will just eat the cost of single use pouches and disposable diapers.

Baby Carriers were the most useful baby gimmick we got.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 09:02:05 AM »
Biggest waste of $ and energy was @structured” activities.  Figuring out who would take to which activity, figuring out how to feed ids before said activities all for them to spend a total of 1-2 hours per week on an activity (not enough time to develop real skill).  Ugh.  The worst.  So we do swim team in the summer and that’s all.  Kids go everyday and get an amazing work out and get to hangout with neighborhood friends.

All other activities are DIY.

Best bang for buck: roller blades and bikes.  Hands down.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 09:05:04 AM »
Pick your battles.

Your 18-month-old daughter wants to wear a pink ballerina tutu and orange rain boots to the grocery store?...that doesn't hurt anything.  Maybe your 9-year-old son (like mine) chooses to wear shorts and tank tops in the winter and pants and long-sleeved shirts in the summer.  Make sure he has a jacket in the winter and lots of water in the summer and he'll be fine.

Maybe your kid (like mine) pretty much only survives on peanut butter.  It's easier to buy peanut butter in bulk than convince the kid to eat other stuff.

Maybe you have to watch the latest Pixar movie 24 times in a single month.  It won't kill you.

If it isn't going to harm them or someone else, just let it go.  They will probably grow out of the worst of it.

And for the biggest bang for the buck...Listen.  Once they can communicate, it's worth your while to find out WHY they are upset or being stubborn or being a complete pain in the neck.  Sometimes their reasons will make absolutely no sense to you, but to your child, that reason is not only logical but IMPORTANT.   My children are tweens now, but we have established that if they can explain to me WHY something is very important to them to do/not do/have/whatever, then I will listen (without telling them that their thought process is stupid/illogical/etc) and, if nothing else, try to find a compromise.  This goes back to "pick your battles".

Examples -
My then-3-year-old insisted on carrying a Mickey Mouse doll everywhere - to the store, to day care, to church.  Why?  Because Mickey would be scared all by himself.  So, over my mother's strenuous objections, Mickey Mouse helped my son escort me down the aisle at my second wedding.  My son beamed all the way down, and the pictures still make me smile.

My 12-year-old was upset when she found out I was going to order school supplies online because I hate dealing with the crowds to dig out the exact color folder on the list.  She told me that the online supplies are cheap quality and she spends too much time trying to fix them.  We decided I would give her the money I would have spent, she'll provide a bit of her own, and I will drop her and her best friend off at the store to be completely in charge of the school supply shopping.

It's a win-win.  Tantrums averted, so Mom is happy.  Children feel heard and validated, so they are happy.  Children are learning the art of negotiation and compromise.

Also, buy earplugs in bulk.  We keep some in the car for when they are too loud in the backseat.  Easier than trying to make them shut up.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2018, 09:12:39 AM »
1. School
2. Unschool

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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 09:23:52 AM »
1. School
2. Unschool

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school is a damned waste of time.  in 40 minutes we could teach them a day's worth of material.
did you pull your kids out of school or did you 'unschool' them at night and weekends.  ?

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 09:34:00 AM »
Pulled out. What a gong show school was. He's allowed by me to go back if he wants; he firmly doesn't want. His latest evaluation came in, with wonderful stuff. This is so much nicer, easier, lovelier, faster, more efficient...

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2018, 10:38:16 AM »
Great advice from @formerlydivorcedmom

I will also add that all the structured activities that you think they need, if the kids aren't excited about it as you are, are for you and not for the kids and you shouldn't waste your time and energy getting your kids to do it.  My son asked to do baseball camp, so we signed him up.  A week before camp we agreed to go out and practice a little, he has done baseball before and I thought it would be good to brush up a bit.  I was looking forward to playing catch with him and when the time came to go he just wanted to stay home.  I asked why and he said he didn't want to play baseball and when I said that he needs to put in some effort and interest because baseball camp is not free, he just said meh.  So we canceled baseball camp and saved ourselves the time and money of having to bring him there for a whole week.

Another example was swimming, for my second child he was just not into it, we tried three separate time to get him to do it but he would scream bloody murder every time.  Until he was about 3 years old and he asked to take lessons and picked it up in a few months.  We saved a ton on lessons compared to my oldest because we started him just after he turned one.

We also homeschool and follow more of the unschooling approach to education.  What we have found is if it becomes too stressful when doing something, we take lots of breaks and try different ways to learn, i.e. visual, physical, and eventually they take the lead on how they want to learn something.  We also try not to get to hung up on where each child should be in terms of skills like math, reading, or spelling based on their age but more on their level of maturity and actual ability.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2018, 01:08:40 PM »
i dream of homeschooling.  we're ina  very HCOL area, dont know if i could make it work with $. 
but we work sometiems in a HS in a very well respected district , and it is such a joke.  dont turn in work for the first 8 weeks of the quarter?  no prob, just come by your teachers' for a couple of days at lunch and fill out all that missing work and we'll pull your grade from a E to a B

so what is the point of that?  does anything in world work like that ?

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2018, 02:31:15 PM »
Cloth diapers were a big waste of time.  Too much labor for a two income household and we went back to disposables quick.  We tried the reusable containers for baby food pouches and that also did not get much use.  At our income level in the low 100s, we have more money than time and will just eat the cost of single use pouches and disposable diapers.

Baby Carriers were the most useful baby gimmick we got.

We definitely don't earn what you earn but we both work FT and loved cloth diapers and home made baby food.  It really was not that much more of an effort and the mustachian and envirronmenal rewards were huge.

Things that had great bang for the buck:

-lego - younger kid spends hours playing with hers.  Most of them are my old lego from when I was a kid but with some new lego mxied in.
-magnatiles - expensive but worth it
-Micro scooters - we don't own a car but the kids are happy to walk long distances so long as they can bring their scooters
-ear tubes.  Kid #2 is in her third pair off these.  Before tubes she had a 40% hearing deficit.  Being able to hear is worth everything she's gone through.

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2018, 01:45:36 PM »
So far with kids 7, 4, and 2 most structured activities have been a huge waste except for the cheap summer camps through the community center and VBS's. Mine love those and hate all of the sports and dance classes. I finally learned it wasn't worth spending money on lessons and classes until they beg me multiple times. Otherwise I'm fighting them to get there and they barely participate.

Biggest bang for the buck, which requires no spending, is "quiet time." A mandatory 2 hours in the afternoon of unstructured free play. My older two get their stuffed animals together and recreate their day through imaginary play. They also play school, write books, build lego creations, etc while the youngest naps. It gives me time to work or get chores done. And their little brains can run wild with creative freedom.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2018, 09:14:13 PM »
Mine are still little, but so far...

Biggest waste of energy: fretting too much about milestones. If you're really concerned about something, discuss it with your pediatrician, but don't waste time excessively comparing your kid to others or to what the internet says they should be doing. There's a huge range of normal, and kids develop at their own pace.

Biggest bang for your buck: Teaching them to play independently. There is definitely some initial work upfront, but it is so worth it.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2018, 04:16:41 AM »
1. School
2. Unschool

deep. 
school is a damned waste of time.  in 40 minutes we could teach them a day's worth of material.
did you pull your kids out of school or did you 'unschool' them at night and weekends.  ?

Thinking that I needed to be stay at home parent material. My 3 year old son loves being around his preschool & childcare friends. Biggest bang for the buck that I found was enrolling him in public school preschool & pairing it with a small home based daycare for the days when I work. These 2 things have helped our Autistic son learn social skills in a way that we couldn't teach him at home.

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2018, 11:47:44 AM »
Biggest bang for the buck:  Especially toddlers/preschoolers - giving them choices on stuff you don't care about. 

Which sweater to wear - red or blue?
which fruit for lunch - apple or banana?
Which color plate for breakfast?

Give them control on stuff you don't really care about cuts down a lot on the battles for stuff you do care about like whether or not to sit in a car seat. 

I have teens and that theme has carried through the years well.

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2018, 12:03:46 PM »
Worst waste of energy.....buying a house when I had a fabulous rental situation.  Somehow I thought I should own a house once I was a parent and had plenty of money to buy one.

Biggest bang for the buck:
Teaching them how to do things when they want to learn them...such as sweeping the floor at age 2 or 3.  If you wait until they will really be good at it, they are no longer interested.  And I mean every household maintenance thing: using washing machine, washing and waxing a car, cooking, pulling weeds, painting a wall (do the second coat when they are asleep or out of the house).  Doing things together is a great way to fall into conversations as they get older.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 07:19:45 AM »
1. School
2. Unschool

deep. 
school is a damned waste of time.  in 40 minutes we could teach them a day's worth of material.
did you pull your kids out of school or did you 'unschool' them at night and weekends.  ?

Thinking that I needed to be stay at home parent material. My 3 year old son loves being around his preschool & childcare friends. Biggest bang for the buck that I found was enrolling him in public school preschool & pairing it with a small home based daycare for the days when I work. These 2 things have helped our Autistic son learn social skills in a way that we couldn't teach him at home.

so, you had a P/T pre-school and part time daycare and you unschooled them yourself as well?

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 02:03:48 PM »
Biggest bang for the buck:
Teaching them how to do things when they want to learn them...such as sweeping the floor at age 2 or 3.  If you wait until they will really be good at it, they are no longer interested.  And I mean every household maintenance thing: using washing machine, washing and waxing a car, cooking, pulling weeds, painting a wall (do the second coat when they are asleep or out of the house).  Doing things together is a great way to fall into conversations as they get older.

Yes yes yes!  I bought my 2-year-old son a play vacuum cleaner.  He LOVED that toy, and for years he would follow me around and clean up behind me (because I told him his vacuum worked better than mine so he had to help pick up what mine forgot).  They all started dusting at about 2, and they helped put their dishes away as soon as they were old enough to walk (their plastic dishes were stored on the bottom cabinet). 

Weed pulling, though - my oldest, at 18 months old, was "helping" me to plant flowers.  I realized 15 minutes into it that she was digging holes, all right - she dug up every single flower I had already planted and put them back in the tray. 

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 03:41:46 PM »
We spent zero dollars on swimming lessons. Instead, we spent the money on family pool time. My 5 year old taught himself to swim in a supportive parental environment and jumps off the diving board.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 04:32:34 PM »
Cloth diapers were a big waste of time.  Too much labor for a two income household and we went back to disposables quick.  We tried the reusable containers for baby food pouches and that also did not get much use.  At our income level in the low 100s, we have more money than time and will just eat the cost of single use pouches and disposable diapers.

Baby Carriers were the most useful baby gimmick we got.

We definitely don't earn what you earn but we both work FT and loved cloth diapers and home made baby food.  It really was not that much more of an effort and the mustachian and envirronmenal rewards were huge.

Not worth it to me, cloth diapers. As I care very much about the environment, its compelling to destroy some of the myths. If you truly care about the environment, you would encourage others to pick the solution that works best for their reqion. Using cloth and coal power is extremely bad for the environment, using cloth and solar is entirely different.
http://www.appropedia.org/Cloth_versus_disposable_diapers

Cloth vs. disposable is heavily studied and used as an example of perception vs. reality with regards to the environment. Its one of the most fascinating examples, we can all relate to it and its enlightening to see how complicated even the simplest decision can be. What works in your part of the world may not be the right choice for me, there isn't a single answer.

From the link:
"Disposable diapers create less atmospheric emissions, waste water effluents, and solid waste (feces processing) than reusable diapers.

Reusable diapers use less raw material for production and create less post consumer waste than disposables.

These statements do not necessarily present a clear solution to the question, "Which diaper type is better for the environment?". Assessing which resource is more valuable, or more sensitive to impact is difficult but suggested for further analysis."

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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2018, 02:57:56 AM »
I don't own a dryer.  Here in Italy, most people don't.  So we just dry stuff on an indoor clothes line or on the roof of our apartment building - easy peasy. 

IMO cloth diapering was better environmentally maybe because we don't use electricity for drying - also a lot more mustachian as we used Indian prefolds and second hand diapers that were handmedowns from a colleague. 


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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2018, 03:30:58 PM »
Biggest waste of time/energy etc.. was buying bigger house and more toys because of having 4 kids. Kids remember experiences not material things and material things just make them feel entitled. Best bang for the buck was spending time with my kids just doing things period!

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2018, 12:35:48 PM »
We were very happy with cloth diapers; I'm a little surprised by the naysayers here. We had 23 months between kids 2 and 3, who were in diapers for 4 years and 2 years respectively, so 2 years of overlap. It saved SO much money (I did the math in our case, though it's been a few years now) and really wasn't a big deal to wash them. The best part was not ever having diaper blowouts, and then being able to pass along the entire batch of diapers to my mustachian co-worker who has used them for his two kids.

Biggest waste of time, gosh, I don't know. Waste of money and energy I think I'm with soccerluvof4: buying the bigger house and too many toys. Definitely keeping things more simple is better. I think the last year or two that my oldest did little league would be the biggest waste of time; he wasn't very good at it and it was a huge time sink. Also, making your own pureed baby food was a big waste of time. Fortunately we discovered the concept of "baby led weaning" before #2 was eating food and that was so much better!

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2018, 05:00:09 AM »
Just had a kid so PTF/ find in the future

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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2018, 12:27:07 PM »
baseball as a waste of time +1

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2018, 01:22:37 PM »
I’ve got a 2 year old and am happy to see all these suggestions. The biggest one I’ve experienced so far is NOT upgrading our housing situation. We live in a 2 br 2ba 1150 sq ft house. It gets messy fast but is also a breeze to clean. And it forces us to constantly filter & eliminate crap. Nana now knows that if she buys Big Plastic Toy B, then Big Plastic Toy A that she bought two months ago will now be donated because we only have space for one.

I’m interested to know more about the “no structured activities” comment that is showing up a couple of times here. Is this saying No to activities when kids ask for them, or just purposefully not signing kids up for stuff they did not ask to participate in?

We are hitting that age where activities are starting to become available. It is easy to say no right now because my son doesn’t even know they exist; we just get the papers sent home from preschool.

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2018, 09:23:01 AM »
I've heard ppl that never intended to do a lot of structured activities, needing to do so, starting age 6 .  bc if not, the kids are just riding scooters around deserted n'hoods at 3 pm (bc all are at work)

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2018, 09:59:39 AM »
I’m interested to know more about the “no structured activities” comment that is showing up a couple of times here. Is this saying No to activities when kids ask for them, or just purposefully not signing kids up for stuff they did not ask to participate in?

I removed standard school, and added in structured activities that serve my child (joy, high interest, learning, new exposure, etc), so now he has structured activities part time (the optimal fit for him). I don't say no to any class requests, but I do ask him to prioritize them so that it's not too many, they're spread out over the week, and it's physically possible to get to the stuff we signed up for.

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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2018, 12:31:07 PM »
I've heard ppl that never intended to do a lot of structured activities, needing to do so, starting age 6 .  bc if not, the kids are just riding scooters around deserted n'hoods at 3 pm (bc all are at work)

I'm coming out of this season of life, and I have a new theory.  I think the structured activities are popular from ages 6-10 because...

1. Parents want their kids to have friends, and think those friends will come from the group/team.

2. Parents want to introduce kid to The World of _____, and secretly hope the kid will love it and become dedicated to it. It may be an activity the parent did in their youth, or it may be an activity that the parent thinks is fun/beneficial/perfect fit for their kid.

3. The fear that ALL the other kids are in these activities and there will be no one left to play with if the kid doesn't join something. (see quote above).

It takes until the kid hits 10 before they have the ability to say, "No, Mom! I'm sick of this activity! I don't want to do it anymore!" and Mom actually BELIEVES THEM and stops trying to force the glass slipper on the wrong foot.
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2018, 01:12:11 PM »
I’m interested to know more about the “no structured activities” comment that is showing up a couple of times here. Is this saying No to activities when kids ask for them, or just purposefully not signing kids up for stuff they did not ask to participate in?

Structured activities depends on your kid and their level of passion, I think.  Too many parents enroll kids in the activities that are parental passions...and that's a mistake, IMO.

My 5-year-old BEGGED to do t-ball.  Unfortunately, that kid has zero business playing team sports.  Nevertheless, I signed him up.  We had 3 practices a week and games every weekend (a ridiculous schedule for a small child).  He made it halfway through the season before melting down spectacularly in the middle of a game and flat-out refusing to ever again step foot on a baseball field..  He wouldn't even put the uniform on again for me to take a picture for his grandmother.  Waste of time, waste of money - and my fault, because I should have known better after the fiasco that was 4-year-old soccer (he asked to play ... because he knew they got snacks at halftime, and halftime was really the only thing he wanted to participate in).

I told the oldest she could try one activity a semester to see what she liked to do.  She had a really good time sampling activities - ballet, tap, gymnastics, tumbling, math club competitions, soccer, basketball, piano lessons, swimming, Girl Scouts.  I limited the number of hours a week she could do things.  She didn't find her passion until 6th grade, when I put her in a volleyball class.  Now she has dreams of a getting a college scholarship and she wants to practice all the time....and I've signed her up for the money- and time-suck that is club sports. 

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2018, 02:54:56 PM »
Biggest Bang For the Buck:

When we moved to a new place, I arranged almost everything in the house with the kids (6yo and 3yo) in mind.

Dangerous chemicals, sharp tools, anything too risky or fragile for the kids are stored as high up as possible. Everything I want them to be able to access, like their dishes/flatware, snacks, towels (for cleaning up messes), craft stuff, etc are stored as low as possible.

I figured this out after getting real tired of having to spend a large amount of time telling them which things in the house they could have and run free with, and which things to leave alone because they'd 'die'. Now, if they can reach it, it's most likely fine for them to handle it. I'm not sure why we all tend to store our household cleaning chemicals under the kitchen sink, then have to lock it up or worry about the kids getting into that stuff.

Also took them to a thrift shop to choose their own dishes. Bonus is that if DS drops and breaks the frog cup he chose, he learns the consequence of dropping a ceramic? dish, we can go pick out another cup, and the $ impact is very low.

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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2018, 03:35:45 PM »

Also took them to a thrift shop to choose their own dishes. Bonus is that if DS drops and breaks the frog cup he chose, he learns the consequence of dropping a ceramic? dish, we can go pick out another cup, and the $ impact is very low.

Oh I love this! Will have to remember for when kiddo is older

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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2018, 07:02:17 PM »
Words of encouragement to all the new parents out there. Sometimes when a child is good at something in middle school, they won't be as good in high school. I have a daughter who was a great catcher in middle school, then she went to high school. Something changed. It was obvious by the first high school game, it wasn't a good choice, plus she was miserable! We went home, washed her uniform and she approached the coach the next day and graciously bowed out. (I think the coach was relieved.) My daughter wanted to practice her saxophone instead.

Fast forward 10 years...she now performs the national anthem on her saxophone in Major League Baseball stadiums!

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2018, 11:08:01 AM »
wow, great story.

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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2018, 11:16:45 AM »
That was great, familyandfarming :)
Your responsiveness to the change in your DD is lovely.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2018, 12:22:03 PM »
I don't know if it's in the rules to post her website, but here goes! http://www.melissakula.com If you scroll to her YouTube you can see two of her most recent performances. She just performed last Saturday for the Royals! Silence in the stadium!

So parents, don't fuss if they can't play ball! Later, they can play for PRO ball!

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2018, 04:57:18 PM »
We were very happy with cloth diapers; I'm a little surprised by the naysayers here. We had 23 months between kids 2 and 3, who were in diapers for 4 years and 2 years respectively, so 2 years of overlap. It saved SO much money (I did the math in our case, though it's been a few years now) and really wasn't a big deal to wash them. The best part was not ever having diaper blowouts, and then being able to pass along the entire batch of diapers to my mustachian co-worker who has used them for his two kids.
In our case, diapers are under $400/year for disposables. Reuseables cost between $100-200 in utilities/year, depending on the region. How much does it cost for a load of laundry and how often did you wash/dry them? My laundry cost is around $0.90/load (depending on detergent costs); the dryer is $0.50/load (your choice to line dry), the washer is $0.20 for utilities and detergent cost ($0.20). For us reuseables would be $120/year to keep clean/dry for a savings of $280 (doing 130 loads of laundry, 2.5 loads per week).

4 years of diapers (2 kids) means we had the potential for $1120 in savings less the cost of the reuseable diapers. A full set of cloth diapers can vary from $100-$800 depending on if they're all new and the brand. If you have a single kid, how much money do you save? If you have multiple, the cost gets spread out and the savings mount.

For our first kid, we were extremely savvy shopers and acquired over a thousand diapers for under $0.05 each (it was a crazy stockpile), I skipped over those and used the current average price. We're still finishing up on diapers, we are under $1000 in total lifetime costs.

We also tried cloth for a short while, we acquired second hand diapers. It was quickly apparent that they could save money; about $1-2 for every hour of work cleaning them (laundry doesn't do itself). We experienced a lot of blowouts, that turned us off, the workload stretched out quite a bit when we started scrubbing poop stains on a daily basis.

How much money per hour did you save when you laundered cloth diapers? Its a valid question for a time/energy thread. New parents should be aware that cloth takes extra time and if its done to save money should know what the return is on their labour. I posted my costs, I'm clearly open to both sides of the conversation.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2018, 09:50:08 PM »
We let our boys grow up a bit wild.  Load of unstructured outdoor time is more enjoyable and cheaper than rushing from activity to activity.  And I think a bit of risk is good for kids (but I admit this jump was outside my comfort zone).



Best bang for the buck is definitely a library card.  We read together everyday when they were little and they would get so engrossed in the story, and impatient for it to continue the next day that they quickly learned to read themselves and have become voracious readers.

Kids do not have to be expensive.  They thrive on love, fresh air and good food.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2018, 10:04:14 PM »
I've heard ppl that never intended to do a lot of structured activities, needing to do so, starting age 6 .  bc if not, the kids are just riding scooters around deserted n'hoods at 3 pm (bc all are at work)

What's so wrong about leaving the kid to entertain himself/herself for a while? I spent a lot of time as a child playing alone in the yard, reading, or riding my bike. Much better IMO than being forced into stressful organized activities.

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2018, 12:05:19 AM »
We're in it right now and for me figuring out what to feed the kids (who have a mixture of allergies and normal pickiness) is both annoying and very time consuming.  Why do we have to feed them 3 times each and every day?!?

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Re: what was the biggest waste of time energy raising a kid
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2018, 09:02:10 AM »
We're in it right now and for me figuring out what to feed the kids (who have a mixture of allergies and normal pickiness) is both annoying and very time consuming.  Why do we have to feed them 3 times each and every day?!?

Aah -- one of the most effective things we did was co-opt the kids ... um, I mean have them help make decisions whenever possible.

So in this case, set some parameters (meals must include veg and fruit, protein, limits on simple carbs) and have them help you come up with meal ideas. Then write them on the fridge (we keep a white board there, which is also surprisingly useful). Hopefully a few of those meals are fix-able by hungry kids (we bought a couple of syrup pitchers from the thrift store and kept them in the fridge with milk in them, so they could make their own bowls of cereal from about 4 or 5 on).

Anything they can do for themselves, they should do!