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Waldorf school experiences?
« on: October 16, 2018, 07:19:13 AM »
Does anyone here have any experience with Waldorf or "Waldorf-inspired" schools?  We have a K-8 Waldorf-inspired charter school in our town, and I've heard good things about this particular school.  However, I've also heard mixed reviews of the overall education kids receive with Waldorf generally - not enough math/science focus, the kids are way behind when they reach HS, etc. 

Overall, I think I really like the way the school (at least the one here) is set up.  They start with German and Spanish in 1st grade with songs and stories; promote a lot of "handwork" like knitting, crochet, and wax modeling; they have a garden and do nature walks; they also have a homeschool enrichment program, which I would have really enjoyed as a kid.  It seems like I place I'd like to have gone to school, and I know enough teachers who really dislike the way their own elementary schools are run (20 minutes for lunch, too many standardized tests, not enough recess) that it really interests me. 

I'm pre-planning WAY too much, our kid is not even 2.5 yet, but I'm just information-gathering :)  Let me know if any of you love or hate the Waldorf system!  It seems super crunchy, but I like it anyway (maybe because it's crunchy, tbh).

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Re: Waldorf school experiences?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2018, 08:17:39 AM »
How close to their anthroposophical roots has that school kept? And much anthroposophy is ok for you and your kid?

There are strong opinions on both sides (for and against) - this summarizes the arguments against quite well: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthroposophy

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Re: Waldorf school experiences?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2018, 08:22:14 AM »
Hmmmmmmm.  I knew the basis was a little woo-woo, which I'm *kind of* ok with as long as they still teach real things, but the anti-vax thing might kill it for me.  I'll have to look more closely into the philosophy of the school.  Technically it's "Waldorf inspired", not officially Waldorf, but I don't know if that's changed what their stances on things are.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 05:17:15 AM »
Real Waldorf is completely nutters,but we mwtimes Waldorf inspired just means "we have lots of pretty wooden toys".

So.... It depends.

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 06:44:34 AM »
I agree that it completely depends on the individual school, and individual teachers. In our former town we would have likely sent our kiddo to the local Waldorf school as it functioned more like an outdoor/forest school, and didn't discourage academics if individual students were interested (our son gravitated toward math concepts very early). When we moved to Minnesota, however, no way. We actually lived four blocks from a Waldorf school for 5 years and I had several friends whose kids went to the school. It was beautiful, but their kids learned nothing in the years they attended. And I mean nothing. Middle schooler that had started to read on his own around age 3 but was at that same toddler level when he transferred to public school at age 11, for example.

Visit the school, observe a class if you can (the schools we loved all allowed this), and research as you've done so you have an idea of which questions will get you informed answers.


FWIW our home made Waldorf setups very appealing - few toys, no TV, no logos allowed, made our own baby food hippie types :) But we sent our kiddo to Montessori public school instead. As parents, when we decided not to homeschool, our main goal was that our kid not lose his curiosity because of school. For his personality and innate drive to learn all.the.things Montessori was a much better fit.

Good luck, school choice can be a little overwhelming when you have lots of great options!

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Re: Waldorf school experiences?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 06:50:11 AM »
FWIW our home made Waldorf setups very appealing - few toys, no TV, no logos allowed, made our own baby food hippie types :) But we sent our kiddo to Montessori public school instead. As parents, when we decided not to homeschool, our main goal was that our kid not lose his curiosity because of school. For his personality and innate drive to learn all.the.things Montessori was a much better fit.

Good luck, school choice can be a little overwhelming when you have lots of great options!

We're not super low-toy (unfortunately, and mostly due to family enthusiasm), but it's the no-logo/corporate branding, outdoors and garden, "please ride your bike to dropoff", hands-on style that make it appealing to me.  I was homeschooled through elementary and loved it, but my mom is GREAT with little kids and loves explaining things in new and exciting ways.  I don't know that I'm cut out for that, but what I know about public elementary school isn't always encouraging.  I'll look into Montessori as well, but I kind of liked that the Waldorf school was a little more free-wheeling.  Possibly too free-wheeling, but I guess I'll find out :)
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 07:22:20 AM »
Yeah, my son's dad would have been the lead for homeschooling ;) He is the type of person that gets where kids are at and is able to engage them without treating them like "kids".

I do still sometimes regret we didn't stay in FormerTown because that Waldorf school was amazing, and their students at the time had excellent college rates and more importantly to us, a high level of community involvement. I think, too, it totally depends on your child. My brother excelled in our Montessori early childhood school, while Waldorf methods would have been perfect for me. Once we were in traditional public school, I was most happy and engaged when I was dreaming and drawing or reading, preferably outside, no matter the weather. Not so much having to sit still at a desk ;)

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2018, 09:14:21 PM »
I attended a Waldorf school for the first few grades, at which point it was clear it catered to the lowest common denominator in the class and I wasn't learning anything. Granted, public school was sometimes no better, but I certainly would be unlikely to send my own children to one. That said, for a year or two it could be a nurturing environment as long as you're willing to plan on them switching schools after a few years (worked for me, anyway).

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 07:13:06 PM »
I think Waldorf is pretty, umm, cultish, and my kids wouldn’t have liked the delayed reading schedule, but I do think that plenty of kids would do better but not have too much academics too early.

However, any school that’s a charter is going to have to follow the state curriculum guidelines, so I would worry that it will be all gnomes and knitting - I think they’ll have math and everything. ;-)

So, I wouldn’t rule that school out without taking a look.

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Re: Waldorf school experiences?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2019, 01:58:07 AM »
How close to their anthroposophical roots has that school kept? And much anthroposophy is ok for you and your kid?

There are strong opinions on both sides (for and against) - quite well: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthroposophy https://dissertationwriter.org/



Well, my granson is going to George Washington Carver School of Arts and Science. It's a "Waldarf-inspired" school in Sacramento. I don't blame my daughter for choosing particularly this school for him, but there's not much homework and the tasks usually reguire a lot of thinking and creativity, they are challenging for kids though. I asked Jim about his impressions and attitude to the school a couple of times and he says it's just great there.

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 12:32:36 PM »
We did Waldorf for my daughter into preschool, and then switched to traditional public school.
I think it's fine while they are little as the program emphasizes creativity etc, but after that it starts to fall behind academically pretty quickly. No tech until 6th grade, no learning to read until 1st grade. I just couldn't keep my child back in the 18th century when everything around us was moving forward so much faster. It's hard enough raising a daughter, I want to give her every advantage, and Waldorf was not that.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2019, 01:21:42 PM »
Our kids went to a Waldorf-inspired school for part of a year (at 4 and 6), and I definitely wish I'd done my homework.  I thought it was "we had pretty wooden toys" as stated by MayDay up-thread, but it was actually nuts.  The millet-based snacks, cutting the corners off all paper, chair-free except for tree stumps was quirky, but not letting the kids use black or brown crayons because black is the color of spiritual death was messed up (and no pointy crayons either...$60 beeswax crayon bricks for shading because lines aren't allowed for reasons that I don't recall).  In our school there was no actual learning, but lots of made of things related to fairies, gnomes, Mama Earth, etc.  As a scientist, explanations about nature that were attributed to the actions of Sprites or fairies grated on me; especially when the kids asked specific questions (why do leaves change color in the fall?  Mama Earth tells the fairies...).  Our children were early readers and loved math, but they weren't allowed to do or even talk about any of that (e.g. while being told they had to wait 5 minutes to eat lunch, a girl said that was about a million seconds, and my 4 year old was berated for saying that it was only 300 seconds because there's 60 seconds in a minute and 5 x 60 is 300).  Your school may be different, but the basis of Waldorf is cult-ish, racist, and not based on any child development research.  We refer to this as "the lost year".     

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2020, 12:49:05 AM »
Wow, that does sound crazy. While researching preschools, all I needed was one look at the abysmal vaccination rates at the nearby Waldorf schools to know to stay away.

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 10:17:57 AM »
Like other folks have said, I think there's a lot of variety.  We've spent time with kids who got to a Waldorf school and they're great - bright, curious, etc.  And my wife visited a Waldorf-inspired school in the city we were planning to move to and we definitely considered it.  The anti-vax thing would likely be a deal breaker, though, if it were true at the particular school we were looking at.

In the end, we're moving to a small town with no Waldorf schools so it became a moot point. :)

 

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