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Toy catalogs and kids advertising in general
« on: December 06, 2013, 09:12:54 AM »
I recently got the mail and it had a toy catalog in it.  Before I could hide it, my 4 year old son started looking at it and saw "the best toy ever".  It was a huge Ninja Turtle play scene and it cost $40.  I told him we don't have any money and he handled it well.  However, he keeps bringing it up a few times each day.  Also, sometimes he watches TV with commercials at his grandmas and will ask for things he saw.  I never buy them for him because he has a ton of toys already.  So, what would you guys do with a 4 year old in these types of situations. 

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Re: Toy catalogs and kids advertising in general
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 09:19:41 AM »
I had the same issue with my 3 year old, so is very interested in knowing how others handle it.
My almost 4 year old also have her birthday just after new year, so she thinks some of those toys will make way to her as part of her birthday gifts. Personally i am so tired of plastic and un-neccessery toys which everybody including us give as birthday gifts, that i am looking for alternate ways to celebrate birthdays.

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 09:25:03 AM »
Catalogs belong to Mom.  I don't allow my kids to browse toy catalogs.  It's kinda extreme, but saves me a lot of headache in the long run.

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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 08:35:35 PM »
Catalogs belong to Mom.  I don't allow my kids to browse toy catalogs.  It's kinda extreme, but saves me a lot of headache in the long run.

This is how I do it, too.

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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 10:07:20 PM »
My kid sees, and is exposed to, plenty of main-stream media (including ads), and toys, and such.  Also he's in elementary school, standard public school, so he hears about plenty from his friends.

What you describe really hasn't been a problem for us, which likely just means I'm lucky to have an easy-going kid.  Last year for the first time he was into wanting stuff for Christmas, and I just told him, "I'll add it to the list."  We've discussed a few times that just because something goes on the list doesn't mean it will be bought.  The list is a list of ideas/requests and we get some and not others.  He seems cool with this and I rarely get pushbacks or complaints (knock wood).  This year I've introduced the point that Santa (he does believe in Santa) typically follows the rules of the families he's bringing gifts too, so it would be very unusual for DS to get a hand-held video-game playing device of any type, even from Santa.  Again, he's pretty much accepted this (I'd rather introduce this point up front than face it in disappointment on Christmas morning).  I just present it as the way the world is, sort of how we don't have to like the fact that if we slip, we fall down (darn that gravity), but so it goes.

My son's pretty accepting of/enthusiastic about the thought that there are rules that shape how things work and how people behave, so that attitude of his (embracing rules) probably helps.

A quick comment to the OP:  I don't think I'd tell my son "we don't have any money," even if it were true (not in our case, no idea in yours).  If things are really tight, maybe OK to know that as a short-term kind of thing, but I have heard from so many adults about how their parents' money concerns (whether real or simply expressed) when they were kids really worried them as children.  Plus, it's not really the point -- is it?  I tend to emphasize decision making when talking to my son about what we will/won't buy, partly because I don't want him to think he needs to be worried about money but also because I think it's more in keeping with the values I'm trying to impart.  So I'd be more inclined to say something about it not being a priority for our household budget for now and perhaps talk about how we prefer to spend money on other things with some examples of things he enjoys (e.g. camping trips) thrown in for the sake of illustration.  FWIW.

At 5 I started giving my son an allowance ($2/week, which in retrospect is too much), not tied to any chores or anything, so though the issue doesn't come up much, I do tell him he can buy things with his allowance if he wants very much to have them and occasionally he will do so.  This issue hasn't come up yet but when it does I'll tell him about allowance the same thing he hears about Santa -- it's still got to be within house rules, so he cannot buy things he's not allowed to use (e.g. hand-held video game device).

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 12:18:09 AM »
The newness of the toys is what intrigues the kids.  My experience is that if they get them, they will play excitedly with them for about three days -- and then never really again.  Except.  What you do is rotate the toys.  Divide all the toys into three or four groups.  Have only one group out at a time.  After around six weeks, put group 1 in a closet where the child doesn't know where they are, and bring out group 2.  Excitement!  Fun!  After around six weeks, group 2 goes into a closet and group 3 comes out.  Forgotten toys!  Excitement!  Fun!  Etc.

Obviously I don't mean to put away the toys that the child really cherishes and plays with all the time -- favorite stuffed animals, or the most favorite toys.  But the ones that mainly sit around and get ignored can be divided into these groups.  Then you get all the novelty without investing in piles of new toys all the time.

I also agree that keeping the catalogues away from the kids in the first place is an excellent move.  If they have something they've set their heart on, that would be a thing to point out to the grandparents and others who are set on buying a big expensive thing for the holidays.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 06:16:03 AM »
We had this issue as well (wish we would outlaw marketing to kids!).  I second the "put it on the list" thing.  I do this all year long and most things they forget about.  When it's time for a birthday or Christmas, we revisit the list and I allow them to pick one thing (sometimes I put a dollar limit on it).

For certain gifts I was really opposed to, I would have a "we don't buy Ninja Turtles (or whatever) stuff, because it's too violent/cheap/bad for the environment" rule.  That didn't stop them from turning every half-eaten piece of toast or stick into guns and shooting each other, but it meant I didn't have to buy that crap.

Lastly, I don't think four it too young to start earning something that he really wants but is too expensive for you to want to buy him.  Most times my kids (at that age) gave up somewhere along the way when they saw how many chores they'd have to do and how long it would take to save up, but in some cases they persevered (sometimes for a few months) and got what they wanted that I was unwilling to buy for them.  Either way, they learn the value of work and money.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 06:49:51 AM »
I tell him we'll put it on his Christmas list.

In fact, I gave him the Toys R Us and Target toy catalogs and asked him to circle the things he wants Santa to get for him. Santa will be giving him $50 worth of fun stuff this month, and Santa would love to have some suggestions :)

(Mom and dad will be getting him PJ's and things we would have gotten him anyway. The fun stuff is for Santa!)

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 01:57:57 PM »
When I grew up and commented on ads on TV, my parents told me those toys aren't available in NZ.

Although that stopped me from asking its not the path I want to take with my kids.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 03:44:19 PM »
The newness of the toys is what intrigues the kids.  My experience is that if they get them, they will play excitedly with them for about three days -- and then never really again.  Except.  What you do is rotate the toys. 

I do that with myself - rotating or rearranging furniture. It works.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 08:48:45 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts.  I received a lot of good information to work with from you all.  He has forgotten about the toy, whew!  I'll try to have better control over the catalogs and when he turns 5 I'll consider giving him an allowance. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 03:49:22 AM »
With my son 'gifts are for special occasions' has worked so far.

I think sooner rather than later we'll start an allowance.  That way if he wants something the answer will be "well then, save your pennies!" 

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 12:59:13 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts.  I received a lot of good information to work with from you all.  He has forgotten about the toy, whew!  I'll try to have better control over the catalogs and when he turns 5 I'll consider giving him an allowance.

I was at about the age of 7 when my mother set up a store in the master bedroom. We kids would do extra chores at $0.25 per hour, I think. At the end of a certain period, like a week or something, we could purchase toys and games from Mom and Dad's store. The store was just some things my parents had bought, attached little price tags to and put on an empty book shelf. We were not to touch them until we bought them.

There was a range of prices from about $0.25 to about $5.00. I'm sure they paid more than that for the toys, now that I think about it, but I wasn't aware of that at the time. The point was to get us into the habit of working and not expecting everything to be handed to us.

[They also went through the envelope system with us, so that we weren't just spending it all]

Going into their bedroom during the week was an incentive to work extra hard for that teddy bear.

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P.S. This was during the rest of the year, not Christmas or birthdays.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 01:10:05 PM »
The newness of the toys is what intrigues the kids.  My experience is that if they get them, they will play excitedly with them for about three days -- and then never really again.  Except.  What you do is rotate the toys.  Divide all the toys into three or four groups.  Have only one group out at a time.  After around six weeks, put group 1 in a closet where the child doesn't know where they are, and bring out group 2.  Excitement!  Fun!  After around six weeks, group 2 goes into a closet and group 3 comes out.  Forgotten toys!  Excitement!  Fun!  Etc.

Can we call this crap rotation?

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 10:16:01 AM »
My son will be five in January, but earlier this year, we implemented an allowance that he has to nominally earn by behaving during his morning and evening routine (IE no guff about going to bed) and picking up toys. He has "extra chores" he can do to offset days when he won't pick up or has a meltdown at night or in the morning, like refusing to eat breakfast or pitching a royal hissy about going to bed.

Each week, he gets about $3 if all goes well, and he is welcome to save it or spend it or do whatever. However, the important part for me is the way it can be used to mitigate disciplinary situations.

1) "Please stop throwing the sand out of the sandbox. A bag of sand costs one week's allowance, and if you throw too much out, you will have to use your allowance to buy more sand."

2) "Please don't scratch our car. Our car cost us a lot of our own allowance, and you'd be 15 before you got allowance again if you had to buy us another car."

BAM. He normally stops whatever he is doing, and asks questions about how much allowance it would cost to fix, and how many years it would take at his rate. Then we're not yelling and going to time out, etc.

Also, this year, he had about $7 saved up of allowance, and we took him Christmas shopping at a thrift store. He was SUPER excited to buy presents for everyone, and it did a nice job tempering Christmas marketing and the greedy toystoystoys "it's all mine" mindset.  He loved buying gifts, and is still very excited to have people open them at Christmas.

Any toys he wants, he just saves for with his allowance. It keeps us within our budget for discretionary spending, and helps motivate him to behave and pick up. He recently saved $24 for a small RC car - which he was fixating on like your Ninja Turtle toy.

I know there are lots of philosophies on allowance, but this one has worked for us -- and may help with the toy fixation from catalogs and marketing.

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 01:45:18 PM »
I love hearing how other parents handle the issue of money and spending.

I turned my DS into a saver at an early age.  He was saving his allowance to buy Castle Grayskull, and this had been going on for about 6 months.  His savings plan got derailed when he saw an ad on TV for a charity asking for donations to feed starving Ethiopian children, and without prompting, ran to get his piggy bank and said "Let's buy them some food".  He donated the money to charity (about $37.00, which was a ton of cash for a 5-year-old in the 80s) and I promptly rewarded him by buying Castle Grayskull. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 10:37:26 AM »
My son will be five in January, but earlier this year, we implemented an allowance that he has to nominally earn by behaving during his morning and evening routine (IE no guff about going to bed) and picking up toys. He has "extra chores" he can do to offset days when he won't pick up or has a meltdown at night or in the morning, like refusing to eat breakfast or pitching a royal hissy about going to bed.

Each week, he gets about $3 if all goes well, and he is welcome to save it or spend it or do whatever. However, the important part for me is the way it can be used to mitigate disciplinary situations.

1) "Please stop throwing the sand out of the sandbox. A bag of sand costs one week's allowance, and if you throw too much out, you will have to use your allowance to buy more sand."

2) "Please don't scratch our car. Our car cost us a lot of our own allowance, and you'd be 15 before you got allowance again if you had to buy us another car."

BAM. He normally stops whatever he is doing, and asks questions about how much allowance it would cost to fix, and how many years it would take at his rate. Then we're not yelling and going to time out, etc.

Also, this year, he had about $7 saved up of allowance, and we took him Christmas shopping at a thrift store. He was SUPER excited to buy presents for everyone, and it did a nice job tempering Christmas marketing and the greedy toystoystoys "it's all mine" mindset.  He loved buying gifts, and is still very excited to have people open them at Christmas.

Any toys he wants, he just saves for with his allowance. It keeps us within our budget for discretionary spending, and helps motivate him to behave and pick up. He recently saved $24 for a small RC car - which he was fixating on like your Ninja Turtle toy.

I know there are lots of philosophies on allowance, but this one has worked for us -- and may help with the toy fixation from catalogs and marketing.

Loved this quote. We are also planning to start the allowance for chores from her 4th birthday. Already discussing the terms.  My daughter is very good with Chores rt now; help with putting the dishes from dishwasher to their place, removing clothes from washer, helping me on garbage day, generally she loves to help and i love to encourage her (hope it continues into her teens); but love the idea about allowance also means good behaviour. The only time i have the most issue with her behaviour is in the morning time. This will work beautifully for us.

About the toys, we only agreed on 1 toy for her birthday, and stop opening the catalogs in front of her; and looks like she has stopped asking for more. So i am going to continue not opening/sharing the ads and catalogs with her. No cable, so no toy ads for her.
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 10:27:02 PM »
This kind of thing is tough with small kids. 

When I was a kid, my mom always said, "We don't have the money", which was 100% true.  But for me and my husband, that's usually not true -- we could absolutely afford to buy a $40 toy at the blink of an eye, but it isn't how we choose to spend our money.  When our kids were small and they saw something they "wanted badly", we'd look at the item with them (even if we knew immediately we wouldn't be buying it) and admire it.  We'd talk about what was appealing, and we'd usually end with something to the effect of, "Your birthday's still two months away, but if that's what you want, you can tell me when the time's closer."  Sometimes we'd say, "A couple weeks ago you said you wanted ____.  How does this compare?"  Almost always, the result was that they felt good that mom had shared a moment admiring something with them, but they recognized that you don't buy every little thing that makes your heart go pitter-pat.

If they pushed or asked for something outrageous (like a pony), we'd get into "we have only so many dollars, and that's not how we choose to spend them."  And often we'd remind them that they were able to save their allowance for purchases; sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. 

I can see the point in keeping catalogs secret, but one of the overall goals here is to teach kids to be good consumers -- to avoid temptation to buy, buy, buy.  And learning to say, "Oh, I like that . . . but it isn't something upon which I should spend" is a muscle that can't be built up without practice.