Author Topic: Summer camp - daycare, leisure spending or investment into education?  (Read 4248 times)

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So my kid is now in middle school.  When she was young I put her in every type of daycare imaginable.  I had to work.  I spent serious money on overnight summer camps.   

Now she doesn't need constant babysitting, and I have more time due to change in my situation.  I also recognize that the next few years are very important time spent together (in a different way than when she was a baby although I couldn't afford do that much of that back then) before she becomes a young adult.  There are many things I want her to learn intensively during this period, study-wise as well as by my side.

So summer camp. 

I made sure to send her to quality ones, but they cost a lot of money (her fave is the 1,050/wk overnight horse camp, lots of them come back every year and end up working there during college too; the families we meet there are doctors, dual income white collar professionals and international businessmen from Dubai and France), and well, I can still afford them, but work-wise, I don't need her in them anymore, and frankly, I would rather her start learning mundane life skills with me.

Study wise she is a good student and can study well with me without going to fancy academic camps.  So this is a question more about the fun ones.

I am curious to know the Mustachian views, especially those who are FIRE, on summer activities.  Do you guys still value summer camps in some way when you no longer need it as a form of daycare?   

Like, is this an American middle class experience to some that needs to happen so you know you had a good (upper) middle class childhood, is there some investment value in unspecified way, like learning how to behave in the right circles and picking up social finesse as well as high flying childhood friends, or is this where all of us, even after FIRE, put on the mustache and say, "Nah, too much money for too little real value?"

I personally grew up the anti-mustachian way.  Private school through grandparents' support, college paid for, international first class and business class travels (those were the days) through my dad's work relocation programs.   I had to work hard to gain financial savvy for the first time after 30, and I now recognize that all that "talking about money is crass" didn't really help me afterwards.

But at the same time, it feels a bit weird that I want my daughter to be brought up with much less than what I was given.  I THINK that is why I am mulling over this summer camp thing.  I am not rich by any means, but I am above that point where a couple of grand for the next few years in the summer would make that much difference. 

I don't worry over whether I should go to Niemen Marcus instead of Goodwill for clothing, and our food bill is like $130/mo per person, but you know, this is Experience, forming relationships and friendships.  She goes to a local public school and many of her friends who can hang out are from struggling single mother households.  It feels like parents who have double/good incomes send their kids to extracurricular and after school programs every day and so those kids have no time to hang.  I am not a fan of crazy extracurriculars during normal school term, but if diversity is a goal, interestingly, going this way we would get to meet more financially stable families who actually hold jobs.

Any Mustachian parents from spendy middle class families going through the same thing? 








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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 02:56:46 PM »
I'm not FIRE, but we still send our daughter (she's younger) to summer camp even though we don't need to.  At this point, we've planned three camps for a total of 4 weeks - 3 hrs per day.  The two-week camp is pretty expensive for a 3-hr/day camp, but other two camps are free, so it breaks down to much less per week altogether. 

I try to take a thoughtful approach and avoid filling up the summer with scheduled activities.  But I think the benefit is that she can pursue some of her interests without having to force it in after school or on the weekends.  Plus she still has plenty of time to experience the mundane life and run around with her friends.

I'm not sure why you think you'd be giving her less than you had.  I think it's the over scheduling of children that is needless.  I went to private schools growing up with many wealthy students, and they weren't being sent to expensive camps all summer.  That set typically spent the summer at their lake houses or vacation homes doing the same thing we were doing back home, a whole lot of nothing mixed with some chores.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 04:50:41 PM »
I currently use day camp for childcare.

But before I went back to work, I still sent them.

We will also send them to $$$ overnight camp. Hopefully more $ and less $$$$$$$. I tend to think that the overnight camp experience is about the same value to a kid, whether it's church camp at 100$/week or horse camp at 1000$/week.

DD did girl scout camp which is on the lower end. DS is autistic and we'll probably send him to a $$$$$$$$ one specific to autism as he couldn't cope with a regular camp but I still think the experience will be valuable to him.

But I'm thinking 2 weeks a summer, not all summer long.

For reference I went to a week of girl scout camp every summer as a kid and it is one of my fondest childhood memories. We we're UMC by education and LMC by income, and I was the first in my family to go to summer camp. I sold  enough girl scout cookies every year to be go for free.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 08:02:38 PM »
My parents didn't need daycare, but they still sent us to various sleepaway experiences starting around middle school--church camps, Scout camp, one year I did a special academic experience. My sister and I also did travel experiences through the Girl Scouts. I think they thought it was a good way to practice social skills and being away from home in a new group of people in a low-key way before college. My mom had several friends/relatives who dropped out of college due to being homesick, so I think she was particularly sensitive to making sure we were able to cope with being away from home.

Plus for kids who aren't from small towns/the country, just being out and about in nature is very good for them. (In my case, I lived in a rural area and my idea of heaven was being inside away from nature!)

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 05:03:18 AM »

I want to thank jezebel, MayDay and Noodle for sharing their experiences. 

So, it seem like even Mustachians feel there is value in summer camps that is not just about babysitting or lame spendyness.  It has real value. 

I read an article here that kinda talks about this, what camp has become nowadays.

https://qz.com/736125/how-summer-camp-went-from-urban-kids-escape-to-rich-kid-refuge/

"The prohibitive cost of these camps, particularly those that are academic in nature, can have a profound effect on solidifying class boundaries amongst children."

“That just becomes yet another thing you ought to do to get into colleges, and when those cost a lot of money or you don’t know about them, that can reinforce socioeconomic boundaries.” 

You not only pick up social skills, people will also know you are from a solid middle class family when you talk about childhood experiences once you are older, whether it be at college, job interview, getting a date or just plain socializing!  In fact, your friends will know the following fall in class because you talk about your summer!  Wow.

How did things get so bad that you need to streamline your expenses so you are choosing appropriate social behavior according to your correct socioeconomic status in every step you take?  I drive a Yaris and never buy coffee, but saving where it doesn't count and conscious spending where it does seems to be the new tightrope. 

Mayday, it's awesome that your son can go to camp for autistic kids.  I also feel like there is further value in the networking, like talking to other people and exchanging tips and information about where your kid is at and how you can help him better. 

Noodle, you deserve a medal for earning yourself camp from an early age on!  Something like that would totally earn brag rights at college applications and job interviews over "Oh My Parents Sent Me to Expensive Camp."  I did tell my daughter she can try to find a horse stables to work at during the weekend if she wanted to continue to take lessons during regular school year, but I think that was too hard a hurdle for her.  I hope I can find something that she can feel she earns before she is like, 24.



 

 
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 06:07:54 AM »
My son if 5, so we are still solidly in the "child care necessary" boat, but it would be significantly cheaper to just send him to the sitter for the summer than send him to the YMCA day camp we choose instead (half days until school age). However, like MayDay, my son is autistic and is in need of as many opportunities for social interaction as possible. He is around lots of kids at his sitter's, but day camp is the closest I can find to a more structured, academic environment. If I could send him to school year-round, I would. So obviously our situation is a lot different from yours, but I feel camps will always have their benefits, regardless of what type of kid you're raising.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 07:29:40 AM »
My daughter is twelve now, and went to summer camp at our local pool for four years. She loved it - it was structured, but with lots of free time, and she enjoyed being outside all day. She had gone to a mostly indoor summer camp the first time we sent her to one, and she hated it.

Last year she was old enough to go to the pool by herself, and she didn't want to go to camp any more. That was fine with us. I work from home most days, so she would just round up a friend or two and meet at the pool.

She enjoyed the freedom of being able to do what she liked, and said it was the best summer ever. She still went to karate class, and we had a family vacation in August, so it was probably six weeks of doing whatever she liked.

As to the social interactions, it's funny to hear what the kids talk about. They have deep discussions about divorce, siblings, parents who work too much, etc.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2017, 08:39:18 AM »
Interesting discussion as I am pondering these questions as well.  Currently I work full time so kids go to camp/day care full time.  But I hope to quit soon, and look forward to having some time with them in the summer. 

But I also think my daughter will want to be at camp--she loves it there.  It is on the pricey side, run by a private school.  They swim several times a day, she has several friends there, and also the counselors are excellent.  They are all from upper class families for the most part, and have that emotional regulation and confidence that any parent would want their kids to have.  I think that once I no longer need it I will continue to send the kids for a few weeks each summer, but not the full 8 weeks they go now.  And I will definitely consider a coding camp or other STEM camp--while I should be able to teach a bit of that at home, I think a camp will make it more fun and can provide a stronger learning experience than I can.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2017, 12:55:26 PM »
I always went to camp for 1 or 2 weeks each summer and spent the rest home with my mom. I had fun at home but I always looked forward to camp and have fond memories. I will probably send my daughter to camp 1-2 weeks a summer although she's only 1 now..

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2017, 01:23:06 PM »
DD is just 2, and DW is currently SAHM so we haven't really ventured into summer camp yet.  That said, I'm sure we will.  DW had very positive Girl Scout camp experiences.  Personally, I just went to a few very ordinary day camps for a few weeks and am ambivalent on summer camp.  DW is very pro-camp, but with Girl Scouts, we won't break the bank.  And we'll probably just do a few weeks.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2017, 01:41:50 PM »
I did a sleep away creative writing camp at a university when I was in early high school. It was neat to see a college campus for the first time but the best part was that I was among my people - other nerdy kids who loved writing. Other kids who knew about and had read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Other kids who sort of fit in back home but not totally. This was before Facebook and before email was common outside the workplace so we didn't keep in touch, but just knowing there were other kids like that out there was great and helped my self esteem.

We also had to negotiate shared bathrooms for the first times in our lives and living in a dorm with an assigned room mate. The counselors kept a watch on us so we couldn't sneak off to any college parties or anything, but I think we were all too busy hanging out with each other to really care about going off on our own. One or two of the counselors even took us out to Waffle House on the last night of camp at 2AM since some of us had early flights and preferred to pull an all nighter rather than get up at O-dark-hundred.

Thanks for starting this thread, that was a really nice trip down memory lane.

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 09:09:15 PM »
Thanks everyone else for even more thoughts.  It's interesting that no parent is saying camp is a waste and we are Suckas for sending them to specialty and even higher end camps.  Everyone here has gone and has fond memories.  It almost makes me want to hear someone say the opposite!  (haha)

Special ed camps definitely makes sense.  And a local pool you can walk to, that definitely has that added value of letting them become more independent, which an overnight camp will also offer in a different way.

Lucky Girl's comment about kids from the upper echelon having more poise and being more articulate (and I will also add, prettier) in general is something that I've also come to observe firsthand in various settings...

It will be interesting to hear even more perspectives, especially someone who couldn't care less about summer camp.     

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2017, 09:42:50 AM »
We do summer camps, and never because of child care.  We had a full time nanny, so we were essentially double paying.   We found camps as a way to let our kids try different activities and to build some skills that we didn't have time for during the year.  Camps have nothing to do with colleges where we come from, nor social status. 

We usually had them in a week or swim camp (they learn a lot faster than the once a Week for 30 minutes), a drama camp (my oldest is very introverted and the the camp helped her speak out more) and whatever they decided they would like to try for a week. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 10:45:46 AM »
Good timing. 
I just asked DS if he wanted to go to camp this year (he has had profound - good- experiences in the past 3 years especially in building confidence, etc.)   He said no to this year.   He is turning 15, and I was surprised.

To keep costs low for both kids, starting about your child's age, we would put them into a summer day "excursion" type camp, and then a religious affiliated week long sleep over camp.  (Non denominational).

Yep - a bit too much churchy, for the sleep over camp, but the price was right and the churchy-ness is not what they recall, it was the feeling of acceptance, belonging, fun, swimming / tubing, etc.  They entirely forgot any church programming after.  These are less than $400 for the week compared to the YMCA camps at over $1000 for a week, because they are subsidized for kids who can't afford to go (about 20% are free camperships)

The daycamp -- DS is in a sailing camp for 2 weeks  - lots of driving for me, but lots of time for me to interact with him in the car, we stop for dinner picnics at the park / beach before driving home, etc.  Connecting with a lot of kids, including the rich kids you mentioned (i mean, it is a sailing camp).   I bet there is a horse daycamp option - we have a few around here, too.

The 2 week sailing camp is still under $500.   In total, if he attended 1 week sleep away camp ($400) and 2 weeks sailing camp ($500), that is less than a single YMCA camp... and makes a nice dent of activities in the summer schedule.

Both lead to PT work  / volunteer opportunities after they turn 16 years old, too.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2017, 07:08:52 AM »
I personally grew up the anti-mustachian way.  Private school through grandparents' support, college paid for, international first class and business class travels (those were the days) through my dad's work relocation programs.   I had to work hard to gain financial savvy for the first time after 30, and I now recognize that all that "talking about money is crass" didn't really help me afterwards.

But at the same time, it feels a bit weird that I want my daughter to be brought up with much less than what I was given.  I THINK that is why I am mulling over this summer camp thing.  I am not rich by any means, but I am above that point where a couple of grand for the next few years in the summer would make that much difference. 

I don't worry over whether I should go to Niemen Marcus instead of Goodwill for clothing, and our food bill is like $130/mo per person, but you know, this is Experience, forming relationships and friendships. 

So this part struck me, because it seems like you grew up with "more," and now you are debating giving your daughter "less," and that feels wrong and like you are depriving her.  I suggest that is the "consumer sucka" mindset at play -- not that you shouldn't send your daughter to camp, but that you shouldn't send her to camp because she'd be deprived otherwise.  That defines what you "give" your kid in terms of consumer stuff.  Talk about undervaluing your role!  I mean, once you get past basic food and shelter and protection from the elements, all the "stuff" you provide is the least important thing you give your kids, compared to love, acceptance, boundaries, life skills, etc. etc. etc.  (And yes, "experience" can be consumer stuff, too, even if it is the current buzzword; defining "camp" as "going to horse camp to mingle with rich kids" is sort of the poster child for consumerist "experiences," no?). 

Think of this decision as imparting values, not experiences/things.  Your parents gave you fantastic experiences and things, right?  But you also came out of it with zero concept of earning and saving and budgeting, and it took you a decade to figure that out on your own.  So even though they gave you All The Things, their approach wasn't ideal, was it?  So you have now chosen a very different path:  unlike your parents, you spend intentionally, on things that you value; you earn, you plan, you save, you evaluate what is worth it and what is not, and you don't just automatically throw money at every option.  [I mean, I don't know you, but if you solved all your problems with money, you'd already have enrolled your kid in All The Camps instead of posting here asking if it makes sense.  :-)]  And I am guessing that you now want to impart your values to your daughter, because as much as you loved your parents and your childhod, you want her to be better prepared for the real world than you were, right?  You don't want her to grow up financially clueless and assuming that life is lived in the First Class line, focused on the markers of "success" instead of her own inner goals and drive. 

When you look at camp from that perspective, isn't this camp decision a perfect opportunity to live -- and impart -- your values?  Camp is now a want vs. a need; therefore, you need to evaluate the pros/cons just like you would any other want:  weigh the value of the experience against its cost, both in terms of $$ and in terms of time (because every week she is at camp is a week she won't be by your side learning the real-life skills you want to teach her).  It is an opportunity to walk the talk about how you need to be thoughtful about whether and how much to spend on luxuries; it is also a chance to demonstrate through your actions that there is value in family time and lazy days with you and learning all those life skills that you want her to learn by your side.  IOW, you are undervaluing her time with you; only our consumer society says it is better to be mingling with the wealthy than having intensive one-on-one time with your parent leaning how to actually do useful stuff.

Note I am not saying don't go -- I was pretty harsh about the horse camp above to make a point, but honestly, if she loves that camp more than anything, and you can afford it, well, hell, send her.  In our world of overwhelming abundance, all of us throw money at luxuries all the time; the key is to do it thoughtfully, consistently with your values and goals.  Talk with your daughter about how you want to spend time with her, but that you recognize that she enjoyed camp and you still want her to be able to go if she wants, but that it all costs money that then won't be available for other things, so which camp(s) really matter to her?  She's old enough to start learning about the money involved, too -- there's a big difference between a 4-figure horseback riding camp and a cheap Girl Scouts/church camp, so maybe work out a tentative budget and let her decide whether she'd prefer more weeks at a cheaper place or fewer weeks at a more expensive place, or some mix.  [And expect some fireworks if this is the first time you have suggested her choices are constrained by financial concerns -- but I'd argue that there is a direct correlation between the quantity of fireworks and the necessity of imparting that lesson.]  And, you know, don't undervalue the benefits to yourself of having a MS girl somewhere far away from you for periods of time.  :-)

Finally, don't overlook the long game, i.e., counselor positions.  We have sent my kids to the same camp forever (like you, we needed it for daycare; like your DD, my kids would still want to go even if they didn't have to; like you, I'd still want to send them even if I didn't have to).  For the summers after 8th and 9th grade, my daughter was a counselor-in-training, meaning we paid next to nothing to send her; this summer, she was hired for a counselor position on the spot (paid!), because she had such a long history at the camp.  So if your kid really enjoys a particular camp, it may be worth sending her there regardless, because you're only a year or two away from when those lower-priced options and paid positions will be opening up.

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2017, 12:11:26 PM »
I try to do a combo of frugal and useful things.  I never went to camp as a kid, except for the free Catholic 1/2 day camp when the nuns came to town (2 weeks).

My older kid is 11.  For several years, we did a combo of free and cheap camps.

The first two years, we did cheaper summer camps like YMCA and the university camp.  Run by teenagers mostly, and they range from $150-$180 a week, now.

After that we discovered the free option.

The local city has a free drop-in program at 3 schools.  It includes lunch and breakfast.  Limited availability.  But we would use it most of the summer.  It was great, though he would get bored.  His best friend went too, and his bestie goes to a different school.  So it was special.

We would combine this with some fun camps.   If the rest of the summer was free, it was okay to spend $325 a week on half day robotics camp, and half day chess camp.

So.  This summer.  The free camp is not an option anymore, really.  There have been some budget cuts, and now there are only 2 locations.  One of them is at our school, yay!  But.  They are changing the registration, and on the firs day - priority registration will go to families on free/ reduced lunch, WIC, food stamps, etc.  (I do not object to this at all.  My neighbor with 3 kids?  She's pretty bummed.  It doesn't mean that her kids won't get in - there may still be space.  You just don't know.  Prior years it was first come, first served.)

Anyway, my kid didn't like it, and his best buddy isn't going because of the priority thing.  So we need to pay for summer camp all summer.

Summer is 10 weeks. Here's our plan.

One week at beginning: work half days at home (each) and half days at work (each), and let him chill out in his underwear.
One week at end: same, maybe
Two weeks in middle: vacation.

That means we need 6-7 weeks of camp.

One week the cheap university camp: booked.
Will probably choose 2-3 "special" camps, like programming, baseball, chess.
The rest will either be YMCA or cheap uni camps.

My little guy also needs 3 weeks of camp.  Or 2 weeks + a week of sitting around in his underwear.

An expensive week for me would be $350-$400.

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2017, 12:52:12 PM »
We focused on experiences during the summer for our DS when he was middle school aged, along with a family vacation trip & leisure time to swim, boat, read, etc. These included:
Boy Scout overnight camp, 1 or 2 weeks per summer. These are fairly spartan & relatively inexpensive. The boys live outdoors & work on merit badges.
Suzuki violin/fiddle camp, a week each summer (at least one parent also attended to chaperone).
Day camps for specialized interests, interspersed through the summer, 1 week each. These included (not all the same summer): rocket camp, chess camp, horse camp, sailing camp, karate camp, video game/computer camps.
At age 16+, DS worked full-time during the summers interning at tech companies. This helped him choose his major & courses at university. He's now 23 & still plays the fiddle.

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 04:53:33 AM »
I've got mine sorted, I think:

Week 1: vacation
2: camp invention at school (~150/kid)
3.  private school day camp (155/kid)
4. Vacation
5.  Private school day camp
6. 4th of July week. Probably teenager Babysitter for two days
7. DS half day robotics camp (90), gotta figure something for DD. Probably teenager Babysitter.
8. DD go to my in-laws, paid for gymnastics camp for her and my neice as very expensive birthday gift (105$/kid). DS going to parks and rec half day camp with a friend (100$)
9. Private school day camp (150/kid)
10. Vacation
11 and 12: no camps scheduled these weeks. Ugh. Will hopefully find high school Babysitter.

Almost my entire salary goes to summer camp. My take home is 2000/month. I only work 20 hours a week but most half day camps are 3 hours a day, so 12 hours, plus you lose time driving. "Full day" ones are 9-3, so with driving that is about what I need.

Kids want 10$ an hour to Babysit, so if I need 25 hours with driving time, that is 250$.  So a bit cheaper than camps but they would get so bored to do that all summer, so I'd end up paying for the babysitter to take them places, which would more than make up the cost difference.

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 12:20:28 PM »
Multiple thoughts:

- You haven't addressed (at least not in the opening entry) whether or not she wants to go to summer camp.  That makes a huge difference in my answer.  For me and my siblings, summer camp was the absolute highlight of the year.  We loved it.  Of course, it also wasn't pricey as the camps you're discussing, and we had "camperships". 

- Middle schoolers and high schoolers left to their own devices all summer can get themselves into trouble.  Don't assume that because they can make their own lunch and entertain themselves that they need no supervision at all. 


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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 01:20:17 PM »
Like others have noted, it depends on so many different variables.

After trying various forms out, my kid and I concluded that group care is not a fit for him, just because most of it is highly stimulating (chaotic, etc).

If we found one that I thought would be truly enriching for him, I would spend, but would have some natural cap on that, like three weeks or $1000, just to help us narrow down our priorities.

I definitely don't think summer camp is *inherently* enriching or desired, though.

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2017, 04:54:32 AM »
Thanks everyone for further input.

To answer Mrs Pete, I made it clear that I don't have babysitting needs anymore.  She won't be smoking pot and having sex with random partners if I don't send her anywhere.  We actually have a summer study plan in place which is another of my reasons why I have not been hot on the getaway camp. 

One thing to add is that she does want to go.  To horse camp.  Not the local free YMCA.  She is very flexible and knows to respect my decisions, so she has not even brought the subject up herself.

With the help of the people who've mostly commented that summer camp is kinda important in a variety of ways, I have come to the conclusion that her doing so well during this past year has earned her a reward, even though I don't need to send her away for my work needs anymore, and have told her so. 

1) I will send her to horse camp for 2 weeks
2) She will chip in 100 dollars per week from her own stipend
3) The rest of the time she will spend studying and learning life skills rigorously with me

To be honest I can't wait for school to end since I know we do a better job self studying now that she is older.  We decided to take her studies online starting next year, so this is our final school year.  We have come a long way!

So thanks everyone.  Hope everyone will have a wonderful summer.  I know we will. 

   








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