Author Topic: Mustachian lifestyles (with little kids)  (Read 2648 times)

dcnats

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Mustachian lifestyles (with little kids)
« on: November 19, 2014, 07:38:37 PM »
I'm interested in hearing from others on how they downshifted careers and altered lifestyles (or perhaps just maintained them) while growing/raising their family.

To share a bit more about my situation, I went the high $$ and hoard strategy.  Have been investing in my ROTH (babysitting money) since it was first created (was born a mustachian).  Did my MS in EE, worked in BD, Channels, and Tech Sales.  Made a lot of money and have lived reasonably (very frugally at the beginning and lately less so (montessori preschool and minivan are two examples), but still saving a large % of our income - hubby works too).

Our little ones are 2 and 4.  I'm getting to the point where I can probably scale back from high powered 80 hour a week job and am wondering how others did this.  Would be nice to find something that is fewer hours, more flexible, could take summers and winter break off with the kids.  Still want to bring in some money but can tone down the hoarding.

We do have our last house (renting it out) still but it was a pretty terrible real estate investment so will be trying to sell that this spring. Plus I found if you are high income real estate has tremendous tax disadvantages (any income is taxed at your income tax level and losses are not tax deductible). Looked into creating an LLC and putting it under that a while ago but it seems like the IRS calls it a hobby if a "company" goes several years in a row with only losses.

So what jobs/interests/endeavors do people plan to pursue that are either more flexible, lower hours, or enable large spans of time off?  How are people doing this now?  Does health insurance play a role?  What other factors influenced your plans/choices?  Any passive income stream or income diversification plans?

Also interested in thoughts on when to dial back.  I'm working on a plan to do it sooner than we are FI and have some period of working less but still working so we can spend more time while the kids are young and want to hang out with us (which will hopefully be forever, but carpe diem!).

Looking forward to stories, ideas, new perspectives, and anything else you guys come up with!
Thanks!


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Re: Mustachian lifestyles (with little kids)
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 10:51:57 AM »
Hi dcnats.  Congrats on being so frugal!  I discovered MMM about 3 months ago and have done almost a 180 since then - so I wasn't as good of a saver as you were early on!  I have a 2 year old and a 1 year old.  I'm a physician and have worked long hours throughout my training, down to 50-60 a week right now.   Once I found MMM I knew I wanted early retirement.  However, I also want to enjoy time with my kids right now while they're so small (hoping for 1-2 more) and am hesitant to leave my job *too* early, in case I should need to go back, I'd rather have several years of experience under my belt.  (I'm 3 years out of training.)  I think I could probably retire after 3-5 years of full time work but I've decided after we have #3 I will cut back to 60%.  Then I plan to retire in 9-10 years at latest.  My husband did not have an advanced degree, specialized training, or a career that he loved, and wanted to stay home with our kids, and he does that.  No concrete plans for him to go back to work so I guess he's been retired for almost 3 years now!  We have the minivan too, and did the Montessori preschool briefly. 

We both enjoy photography and plan to start a portrait photography business, probably pretty soon.  I take portraits for friends and family, which I enjoy, and I think it will be a fun thing to do on a small scale for profit.  I like the idea of going into business together, especially since it isn't exactly a business that requires two people to run, so we can divide the work and be available for our kids.  I don't plan to stop working until we are able to support our annual spending with passive income, we are being very conservative here. 

Other interests - I love playing music (fiddle, guitar, harmonica, hoping to learn piano and mandolin), crafts and quilting, yoga, hiking and biking, and reading books.  I know I can fill hours upon hours with all of these things.  But it has mostly taken a back burner to spending time with my kids and then trying to get sleep here and there so I am not a zombie. 

For me, cutting back and working a few more years made more sense than continuing to work my tail off for a few more years.  I would like more time to fully commit to them AND be able to do other things - not just hobbies, but clean and organize my house, etc, rather than trying to get things done while trying to have meaningful interactions with them at the same time.  It just gets too frustrating. 

As for retirement income, I am maxing out pre-tax contributions for our "old age" money, and if I do that until I'm 45, I will only need to have 15 years worth of income accessible until we can start to use that.  When I retire we plan to start drawing interest/dividends off our investments, don't know the logistics of that but its a few years away.  The sky's the limit as far as jobs you can do, be creative and think about the things you enjoy! 

That's my background, I don't know if that answers your questions.  You didn't post any numbers, but sounds like financially, you (and your husband?) are probably safe to scale back but maybe you're afraid of running out of money.  MMM has a couple of posts that are relevant here - don't know how to link but there is one like "Do you have too much in your 401K?" and one like "multiple levels of safety".  It also depends on your current job, how much you enjoy it, and what kind of options there are for alternative working situations.  Could you possibly work part time?  Would they be open to a leave of absence (if you're interested in some time off)?  Do you hate going to work, and does it make you a miserable person?  What are your husband's plans/goals?  Feel free to post a case study in the "Ask a mustachian" forum area, people are very helpful there.  Hope you get some good feedback here! :)

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Re: Mustachian lifestyles (with little kids)
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 05:25:41 PM »
I am a ChemE by training but quit to stay home after my second was born.

I am struggling with the strong desire to work at a job that uses my brain, but I only want to work part time, and I truly mean part time, not "oh you say you only work 60% but we'll keep giving work and expect you to call in on your days off".

And anyway we live in a rural area, and 99% of engineering jobs are full time, and I've been off work almost 5 years, so pretty much I don't know how to do it.

That turned into my own vent, but certainly you can see that you are not alone in this desire. I have considered retraining in some kind of shift work like nursing in order to get a decent salary, part time schedule, and math/science/brain involvement, but I'm reluctant to sink money into it.