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Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« on: March 17, 2016, 08:45:59 AM »
I'm just curious how others handle older kids with working parents.  I have been a SAHM for 10 years just doing a little freelance work on the side. I've tossed around the idea of going back to work here and there over the last few years....but always come back to the fact that we almost have a middle-schooler. He will be out of school and home at 2:30pm....and there aren't any options of "childcare" for him. So he would be home every afternoon without supervision.

Is this typically how it works at this age? I'm just wondering if there are options we haven't considered? Neither DH or myself feel comfortable with him having that much freedom....mostly because DH had working parents and he spent his afternoons having sex in his parents house starting at age 13.

I don't NEED to work....but it would allow us to save a little more for travel and have more for home updates/maintenance (we are meeting our retirement goals with DH's income only). 

Any thoughts on this situation?  My ODS had some health problems as an infant/toddler that forced me to quit working...to take him to physical therapy/appointments...so it wasn't really an option to keep working and then quit later down the road to SAH.

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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2016, 08:50:32 AM »
I was a lock-key kid after 4th grade, and then starting in 5th grade was home "in charge" of my 2nd grade sister.  We had some bad experiments (making "campfires" of twigs on the patio furniture, etc) and fights, but I think ultimately most middle schoolers can be left home alone for a few hours after school.  Of course I grew up with a working class mother, so I think the arrangement was a bit of a necessity, but I th ink it worked out.

Wouldn't he just be home from, say, 3 to 5:30?  Can you enroll him in an afterschool sport or activity to shrink that window?  Have him call from home when he's there, have a neighbor drop in, etc?

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2016, 08:56:04 AM »
Thank you for the thoughts.

Yes, it would be probably be from about 2:30-2:45pm until 5:30pm ish.  I am also concerned about school breaks and summer.  There aren't options for all-day camps past 6th grade...so I'm not sure how that would work, although I know people who's kids just stay home every day, all summer at that age. It just doesn't seem ideal, to me. 

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2016, 09:10:23 AM »
Maybe your area is different by in both NY and Ca, I know of afterschool programs and summer programs that went up to the summer before freshman year.  That said, I stayed home after school from fourth grade on but my mom had a job in which she could pop home at any time.  That did decrease the potential shenanigans.  Also, we lived in a neighborhood where the adults did all consider themselves responsible for the kids.  The one time a let a boy in to grab a glass of water before finishing walking home (he walked me home from 4-6th grade as a safety measure), both parents were called on us.  His mother actually ended up meeting him half way home because she was coming to get him/yell at him.

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2016, 09:31:18 AM »
How old is he?

When I was 13 or so I started working as a daycamp counselor at one of the local camps. So while there may not be availability for some sort of day care, maybe he could provide the care?

I understand your hesitation. It's one of the reasons that I'm working full time now, but will likely move to part time or not working at all when my child is a teenager. My mother worked from home so was always around during the afternoons/summer. I'd like to have a similar arrangement.

Any chance you could try to find a job where you would work from home? I know that would be like finding a unicorn in my line of work, but I thought I'd throw that out there.

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2016, 09:44:23 AM »
Hmm.  I'm not there yet (oldest in 4th).  When I was in junior high/ high school, I guess I just went home.  My mom only worked 2x a week at first.  Eventually, last 2 years of school, she was full time and my parents had divorced.  So I walked home and did homework (or did volleyball).

But at age 12/13, it was only 2x a week that she was working, and at that point, both my brother and I were at home.  My older sister had a job by then, she was 18/19.

Here in my town, we have a lot of private programs.  Churches, Boys/Girls club, Teen centers, YMCA, sports leagues.  Only one junior high has any kind of school run after school program.

I'll have to see when we get there I suppose. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2016, 10:27:53 AM »
Around here, parents seem to get around the after-school care gap by enrolling their kids in sports/theater/etc, or having their children go home with friends whose parents are home that day. On the days without practice, a parent might try to leave work a bit earlier to reduce the hours the child is unsupervised.

Is part time work or working from home an option?

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Re: Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2016, 10:28:32 AM »
Have you thought about having one of your child's friend's parents pick the kiddo up from school? You might be able to negotiate watching their kiddo for a date night each week as payment.

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Re: Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2016, 10:41:51 AM »
Having a parent at home is not very common here....so another part of my hesitation is that 1) there aren't really any other parents that could help out (and I wouldnt feel comfortable with that arrangement, anyway) and 2) there will be a LOT of kids in our neighborhood that are latch-key kids....which, maybe I'm over-analyzing, but that just sounds like trouble to me.

I'm going to ask around further to see if I'm missing any options.

If I do not go back to work full-time, I will continue to freelance. I can try and grow that business some, too....but it won't provide any benefits and currently is giving me about 1k only of income (gross) per month. 

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Re: Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2016, 12:42:39 PM »
I work full-time and am a single parent of a 16-year-old with special needs whom I'm adopting out of foster care. She does not drive yet because she won't study the rules-of-the-road booklet well enough to pass the test for her learner's permit. She refuses to take public transit or to go anywhere unless she's driven, and she's very American so she doesn't believe it's safe or wise to walk anywhere. She attends high school and will occasionally take the bus home if she's got something to do, but is extremely extroverted and doesn't function well when she's home alone.

Although she doesn't do anything dangerous, every time I leave her home alone while I focus my attention elsewhere she creates an emergency, drama, or full-on emotional meltdown. She was raised to expect immediate, on-demand attention and becomes very anxious and upset when she doesn't get it, and she bitterly resents anything that takes attention away from her. Getting out of the house to exercise for a couple hours, socialize with friends, or do anything not related to chores or errands, will generally result in a meltdown unless she herself has an activity outside the house, such as a play date with a friend. Even when she's out visiting (which she does almost constantly on the weekends; she's seldom home) I find it very difficult to schedule anything else, because if she has a mood swing or goes into a snit she wants to be picked up immediately, and can't understand why I can't drop everything and rescue her from an awkward situation. If she can't get through to me, she has no problem blowing up my phone with messages and she becomes increasingly agitated if I don't answer. The "emergencies" she calls me for aren't real emergencies. Nobody's injured, stranded, or stuck at a party with a drunk designated driver. She simply doesn't wish to be where she is, and wants to be driven to a different entertainment of some kind.

I solve the problem by running early in the morning, buying extra vacation time, using the word "no" a lot, signing her up for sports and other after-school activities, and accepting the fact that there will be meltdowns three or four times a week no matter what I do. She simply likes to be angry, frustrated, and agitated. It's an emotional state she enjoys, and she was raised to believe that having a hair-trigger temper and an engulfing personality makes her a superior person. She simply can't handle a drama free or low-drama life, and if she's not feeling stimulated enough, she'll go out and "mess with" someone by bullying him or her, then when that person reacts negatively she'll blow up emotionally. She basically wants an excuse to blow up. Although she doesn't like people doing the same passive-aggressive bullying to her, it's how people interact in her family. She's starting to understand the need to treat people well, but doesn't understand that goading people into a negative reaction is not treating them well, and also doesn't understand why the goading behavior makes her unpopular or unwelcome.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2016, 02:01:58 PM »
I wanted to add...

I'm pretty lucky (right now anyway) to have a flexible job and a great boss. If it comes right down to it, in 2.5 years when he hits junior high, I can work from home after school.  I would not be able to do it every day due to meetings, but my spouse and I could easily split it (3/2).

One of my former coworkers worked at 6 am so that she could pick up her kids at school.  When our company went out of business, that was a requirement as she interviewed for her next jobs.  She wouldn't take a job that didn't offer that flexibility.

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Re: Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2016, 02:18:19 PM »
I think you know best if your kid is going to be having sex in your home at 13 or if he hasn't realized girls are the same species yet and thinks video games are the reason for his existence. It's not fair to judge him based on your husband's behavior!

My mom stayed at home but oh how I cherished the time I could get home alone when I could get out of a family outing or errands! I probably started getting stretches of a few hours at 10 or 11. Eventually my  mom would start leaving me chores like do the dishes or vacuum; they wouldn't take the whole time but added a little touch of responsibility to the whole thing. Around the same age, 7th and 8th grade, I would go home once a week with a latchkey friend who was an only child. The initial plan was to trade off week-to-week, but then they got a puppy so my friend had to go let it out. We'd heat up a snack, watch Boy Meets World, chat, play with the puppy, etc. Admittedly, we were pretty responsible girls and didn't have much inclination for getting into trouble. It was fun times though, and interesting for me to escape the relative chaos of my house (sisters were 4 and 7 at the time...)

Between 15 and 17 I started staying with my sisters all day (literally morning to night) and eventually overnight, which had as much to do with their increasing maturity as mine. I didn't get paid and they hated getting bossed around by me so this wasn't really high-quality babysitting; we'd eat in the living room and go to bed at least an hour late and have unlimited screentime. But everyone lived and I think I even cleaned up a little. At 16 I had my first serious bf and would often head over to his house after school; sometimes with other friends but often without. In retrospect we could have been doing anything, but we didn't. And if we had, it would have been better (safer, more legal) than anyplace we might have found, had our minds been set on messing around. I've no idea if he took advantage of that with any other girlfriends, or how his parents (would have) felt about it; not something that comes up often in conversation, as you can imagine.

So I think the answer to your question really depends on your kid. If he's reasonably responsible about his homework, chores, and other obligations, if you've talked about sex, alcohol, drugs, and other teenage vices and he has adopted your rules as part of his personal convictions because he knows there are solid reasons behind them; if has a good head on his shoulders overall and isn't apt to set off fireworks indoors or something...then being afraid to leave him home for 2 hours a day seems rather overprotective. If he's prone to lying or sneaking around, doesn't have much respect for you or the rules you set, is very interested in his peers' opinions and in being "cool" now rather than successful later...then maybe he really does need a couple more years of your guidance. If he's somewhere in-between, as he probably is, why not try scheduling some errands, appointments, or a sport/hobby in the after-school hours and see how he responds to occasional alone-time, before committing to a job?

Or, from a totally different perspective, maybe this is more about you than him? My mom worked occasional part-time things starting when my youngest sister was in middle school; in her last year or two of high school, she considered going full-time (responsibility-wise it wasn't a problem), but ultimately she really wanted to get the most interaction out of the last few years with her youngest child at home. It wasn't about controlling behavior, but about being around for and amassing all those little moments.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2016, 02:23:53 PM »
By age 13 most kids should be mature enough to stay home alone for a few hours until their parents get home.  If the school has after school sports, etc I would get him involved in that. 

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Re: Working parents with older kids? (middle/high school)
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2016, 02:31:33 PM »
I think you know best if your kid is going to be having sex in your home at 13 or if he hasn't realized girls are the same species yet and thinks video games are the reason for his existence. It's not fair to judge him based on your husband's behavior!

My mom stayed at home but oh how I cherished the time I could get home alone when I could get out of a family outing or errands! I probably started getting stretches of a few hours at 10 or 11. Eventually my  mom would start leaving me chores like do the dishes or vacuum; they wouldn't take the whole time but added a little touch of responsibility to the whole thing. Around the same age, 7th and 8th grade, I would go home once a week with a latchkey friend who was an only child. The initial plan was to trade off week-to-week, but then they got a puppy so my friend had to go let it out. We'd heat up a snack, watch Boy Meets World, chat, play with the puppy, etc. Admittedly, we were pretty responsible girls and didn't have much inclination for getting into trouble. It was fun times though, and interesting for me to escape the relative chaos of my house (sisters were 4 and 7 at the time...)

Between 15 and 17 I started staying with my sisters all day (literally morning to night) and eventually overnight, which had as much to do with their increasing maturity as mine. I didn't get paid and they hated getting bossed around by me so this wasn't really high-quality babysitting; we'd eat in the living room and go to bed at least an hour late and have unlimited screentime. But everyone lived and I think I even cleaned up a little. At 16 I had my first serious bf and would often head over to his house after school; sometimes with other friends but often without. In retrospect we could have been doing anything, but we didn't. And if we had, it would have been better (safer, more legal) than anyplace we might have found, had our minds been set on messing around. I've no idea if he took advantage of that with any other girlfriends, or how his parents (would have) felt about it; not something that comes up often in conversation, as you can imagine.

So I think the answer to your question really depends on your kid. If he's reasonably responsible about his homework, chores, and other obligations, if you've talked about sex, alcohol, drugs, and other teenage vices and he has adopted your rules as part of his personal convictions because he knows there are solid reasons behind them; if has a good head on his shoulders overall and isn't apt to set off fireworks indoors or something...then being afraid to leave him home for 2 hours a day seems rather overprotective. If he's prone to lying or sneaking around, doesn't have much respect for you or the rules you set, is very interested in his peers' opinions and in being "cool" now rather than successful later...then maybe he really does need a couple more years of your guidance. If he's somewhere in-between, as he probably is, why not try scheduling some errands, appointments, or a sport/hobby in the after-school hours and see how he responds to occasional alone-time, before committing to a job?

Or, from a totally different perspective, maybe this is more about you than him? My mom worked occasional part-time things starting when my youngest sister was in middle school; in her last year or two of high school, she considered going full-time (responsibility-wise it wasn't a problem), but ultimately she really wanted to get the most interaction out of the last few years with her youngest child at home. It wasn't about controlling behavior, but about being around for and amassing all those little moments.

You're right - my son would fall somewhere in between. He is extremely social...but he's pretty responsible. He's 10 now and I have no problem leaving him for an hour or so at home from time to time.  But, he's still young and innocent.....so it's almost easier!  My husband was also very responsible and not really sneaky....but he had a serious girlfriend and they had sex every day after school in his house. It's not like it takes a deviant kid to want to have sex with his girlfriend. I realize maybe I'm sounding overprotective...but giving teenagers an open house every afternoon, not to mention random full days off from school, and breaks (summer, winter, etc)....it's just a lot more of opportunity to do typical teenage things.

As far as my issue with working - I wish I could work but still have breaks off with my kids. I really love the lazy summer days.....going to the pool, having friends over, etc. I can't wrap my brain around not having that quality time with my kids. But part of me really wants to go back to work. I am honestly, really torn.


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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2016, 03:07:48 PM »
Where I live the churches in walking distance of the middle school offer low cost after school programs as a community service.  My daughter liked that much better than the school's after school program(which they have here for middle school). The program she attended in 6 th and 7th grade had areas for indoor basketball, outdoor play, crafts and doing homework.  The parent could authorize any or all of those.  The cost was about $250 for the whole year.  In 8th grade she switched to a private school (for other reasons).  The entire school stayed open until 5, with playing fields, library, computer labs, etc.  Teachers were available from3-4 for any questions. 

I was home by myself in the afternoons from grade 6 on.  I did not get into any trouble, but it was really lonely to go home to an empty house.  When my daughter was in 6th grade, she said other kids at school talked about having sex in the afternoons before their parents came home.  (I confess before that conversation I was thinking about letting her stay home alone!)

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2016, 05:58:01 PM »
Our city offers a middle school afterschool program with swimming, video games, crafts, sports.  It's $150 a year. Kids can stay until 6pm. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2016, 07:51:35 PM »
OP - I am in a similar boat to you.  I stayed home a long time, don't "need" to work (DH makes good salary) and have boys aged 10 and 13.

I faced similar concerns, and ultimately decided that although I *could* leave my future 13 and 15 y/o or 15 and 17 y/o home alone in the summer and on breaks it was not wise.   We have the added issue that my oldest has disabilities and needs some extra help (although can be left home alone).

I decided to work for the schools.  I currently work 30 hours per week in a non-teaching position in the same school district my kids are in and work the same schedule as my kids except for about 5 extra professional days that I work and they don't have school.  I get the same snow days, breaks, etc..  My commute is 8 minutes and I get home about 5 minutes before my first child arrives home. 

While it is not my "dream" job or even in my former career, nor do I make a ton of money - the schedule fits for our family and I enjoy working with kids.  I also save a lot of money by not having to pay for summer camps/day care over breaks, etc.  and we are a 1 car family and since I am in biking/walk distance of my school, we don't have commuting costs. 

All the net income from my job goes into the retirement fund - we still live on less than 1 income.   I plan on continuing until my youngest is 18 - right as both DH and I achieve FIRE.
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2016, 08:20:24 PM »
Have you thought about working at one of the schools? Around here the pay isn't great, but the hours are. I think full-time aides make around $18k/yr and don't take any work home. There's also a need for bus monitors, playground supervisors, and crosswalk guides depending on where you live.

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2016, 08:06:32 PM »
I have a 12 year old 7th grader and we have had some after school struggles. There are after school clubs and later buses that can be good options. A cell phone and requirements to check-in can work. I ultimately changed my work hours so that there is only one afternoon unsupervised.  We have had some problems following rules, not doing homework, gong for hours without checking in. Etc middle schoolers...are challenging people. My advise would be to be very clear in advance about expectations and consequences and stick to them. Middle school age kids *should* be responsible enough to be home for a few hours on their own.

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2016, 07:00:40 AM »
How the world has changed.... when I started middle school at age 12 I actually had a regular after-school job babysitting younger kids at their house.  And my sister, age 9, would just come home after school and spend the afternoon by herself. No problems, ever.

Although my husband works mostly at home, he sometimes has to go to the office, and on those days my kids just let themselves in the house and they are completely fine until one of us comes home. Been doing that since the older one was 11 and the younger was 8. No problems with that either. Our 2 main rules are- no friends over if there isn't an adult at home, and no cooking except for the microwave.
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2016, 08:31:55 AM »
How the world has changed.... when I started middle school at age 12 I actually had a regular after-school job babysitting younger kids at their house.  And my sister, age 9, would just come home after school and spend the afternoon by herself. No problems, ever.

Although my husband works mostly at home, he sometimes has to go to the office, and on those days my kids just let themselves in the house and they are completely fine until one of us comes home. Been doing that since the older one was 11 and the younger was 8. No problems with that either. Our 2 main rules are- no friends over if there isn't an adult at home, and no cooking except for the microwave.

I have to ask....just because I was raised with a parent at home. When your kids come home from school and a parent is not home, do they have to stay inside? My kids come home every day, grab a snack and run outside to play. I don't want my kids chained to being inside for 3+ hours a day after school......but having them outside playing without adults anywhere makes me nervous too. But, this might just be something to get used to?  Not sure.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2016, 08:36:43 AM »
If your main hesitation is the child having sex, I guess it leaves me with two questions: 1) Is this in line with your child's past behavior? 2) Have you had open conversation with your child about sex?

There is no reason to assume a child of your son's age can't care for himself in a responsible manner, but we don't know your child, you do. To me, it seems rather odd to not go back to work just to make sure your child is not home having sex, but again, I don't know your child. It would make much more sense to me if you were worried about safety concerns like him making bad choices about answering the door, playing with fire crackers, etc.

I was one of those kids who cared for herself before and after school with no problem starting at age 9. I never missed the bus. I never forgot my lunch. I never had sex, drank, did drugs, or tried to start any fires. The biggest problem that I recall was that during the summers I didn't dress myself which was embarrassing if someone showed up at the house. I do work with kids, and I know plenty of 11yos who could be trusted home alone, and plenty who could not.

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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2016, 08:47:42 AM »
How the world has changed.... when I started middle school at age 12 I actually had a regular after-school job babysitting younger kids at their house.  And my sister, age 9, would just come home after school and spend the afternoon by herself. No problems, ever.

Although my husband works mostly at home, he sometimes has to go to the office, and on those days my kids just let themselves in the house and they are completely fine until one of us comes home. Been doing that since the older one was 11 and the younger was 8. No problems with that either. Our 2 main rules are- no friends over if there isn't an adult at home, and no cooking except for the microwave.

I have to ask....just because I was raised with a parent at home. When your kids come home from school and a parent is not home, do they have to stay inside? My kids come home every day, grab a snack and run outside to play. I don't want my kids chained to being inside for 3+ hours a day after school......but having them outside playing without adults anywhere makes me nervous too. But, this might just be something to get used to?  Not sure.

We don't have any restrictions on playing outside, although our kids are the kind who would rather sit inside and play Minecraft all afternoon.
 
There are always adults around in our neighborhood.

I'm not advocating raising kids one way or another. It just surprises me that some parents are so worried about their older kids being unsupervised in the afternoon.  I certainly would not decide not to work outside the home in order to stay home and watch kids who are in middle school for a few hours per day.

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2016, 10:41:02 AM »
How the world has changed.... when I started middle school at age 12 I actually had a regular after-school job babysitting younger kids at their house.  And my sister, age 9, would just come home after school and spend the afternoon by herself. No problems, ever.

Although my husband works mostly at home, he sometimes has to go to the office, and on those days my kids just let themselves in the house and they are completely fine until one of us comes home. Been doing that since the older one was 11 and the younger was 8. No problems with that either. Our 2 main rules are- no friends over if there isn't an adult at home, and no cooking except for the microwave.

I have to ask....just because I was raised with a parent at home. When your kids come home from school and a parent is not home, do they have to stay inside? My kids come home every day, grab a snack and run outside to play. I don't want my kids chained to being inside for 3+ hours a day after school......but having them outside playing without adults anywhere makes me nervous too. But, this might just be something to get used to?  Not sure.
I was not allowed to go outside by myself (even when she was home) because I am small and she is paranoid.  However, one of my friends could come over and we could go out as long as I called her before and after.  If an emergency happened, they would call 911just like you would, so I don't see the issue. :). But that might be my bias from staying home as a kid.

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2016, 10:59:37 AM »
How the world has changed.... when I started middle school at age 12 I actually had a regular after-school job babysitting younger kids at their house.  And my sister, age 9, would just come home after school and spend the afternoon by herself. No problems, ever.

Although my husband works mostly at home, he sometimes has to go to the office, and on those days my kids just let themselves in the house and they are completely fine until one of us comes home. Been doing that since the older one was 11 and the younger was 8. No problems with that either. Our 2 main rules are- no friends over if there isn't an adult at home, and no cooking except for the microwave.

I have to ask....just because I was raised with a parent at home. When your kids come home from school and a parent is not home, do they have to stay inside? My kids come home every day, grab a snack and run outside to play. I don't want my kids chained to being inside for 3+ hours a day after school......but having them outside playing without adults anywhere makes me nervous too. But, this might just be something to get used to?  Not sure.

I think I was supposed to stay in my house/yard.  I don't think I ever really tested that.  Honestly, it was hte only time I had access to the TV when I was younger, and when I could do homework without someone bothering me when I was older, so I used the time for that.  I think it's good for kids to learn to structure their own time.  There is something satifsying about being done with your homework/chores by the time your mom comes home, so you are free to do what you want.