Author Topic: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?  (Read 9765 times)

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2019, 08:47:26 PM »
Our post office is next to a Chuck E Cheese.

When our sons were about 5 and 7, I left them in our minivan to run into the post office. When I came out, I got in the van and it wouldn't start. That's when I realized the boys weren't in the van.

I started to panic....and realized I was in someone else's van - someone with an identical van who had left it unlocked. The boys, watching from two spots over, were laughing hysterically.

Nine years later, they still give me grief about it.

I did the same thing (no kids in car).  I got into an identical Honda Civic two spaces over from mine and thought someone stole my floor mats and replaced them with another set.  Then I heard someone say "Um, that's my car" and realized I was in the wrong car.  Shame ensued.

I always begged to be left in the car to read while my parents shopped. They’d roll down the windows and I’d stay there for long periods. I was a kid so my sense of time was probably off, but it was sometimes a very long stretch. If I finished my book AND my backup book, or got too hot or cold, I’d go get someone.  It was always fine.

Except for the time they went furniture shopping. They were in there forever - until finally, with my nose buried in my book, I heard my mom open the driver door and get in. "Took you long enough," I said sulkily, then looked up and made eye contact with a stranger. The guy in the driver's seat screamed and shot out (presumably to his similar car), while I screamed and went out the other way into the store, howling for my parents. My dad was just mad I’d left the car unlocked when I ran away.

(I still hate shopping and if given the opportunity would definitely choose car-with-book over mall or furniture or shoes or anything (other than a bookstore). I came by that part of mustachianism honestly. My kid is a toddler and I’ll leave Car in driveway with doors/windows open very briefly to grab an item left inside on the kitchen table or something. I’ve thought how odd it is that I spent formative hours reading and arguing with my sibling in the car alone and he will probably never have that even when he’s old enough that I think it’s be fine, largely bc of my fear of others calling authorities. Though I suppose also because we’re unlikely to be spending hours in any store!)

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #51 on: August 28, 2019, 10:23:52 AM »
I’m slightly appalled that nobody has yet considered whether the car is safe being guarded only by a small child.

My toddler is always armed

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2019, 11:57:03 AM »
I've left my kid(s) in the car reading or listening to a book on cd from a fairly young age (maybe once a month), if it's not too hot/cold, to run to the atm machine or into a convenience store if I can keep eyes on the car the entire time. 

I would never leave a baby sleeping to go anywhere further than walking a neighbor's house for 5 minutes or less.  I would be more worried about something happening to me, like a fender bender or something else that would prevent me from returning immediately.  A child of 8 or 9, short periods of time alone increasing with age.

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2019, 08:57:41 PM »
The Let Grow website has a helpful article on this general topic:

https://letgrow.org/to-the-busybodies-who-say-never-leave-your-child-in-the-car-for-even-a-minute/

Obviously don't leave your kid in a car when it's very hot. Other than that, please calm down.

And yet, I don't leave my kid in the car either because of the fear of CPS. It just rankles in my soul that American society is so terrible at respecting parents' judgment that even with a master's degree in education and years of additional reading on child development, I make a non-trivial number of my parenting decisions based on a fear of busybody strangers/CPS, and not what I actually think is appropriate/best for my specific child.

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2019, 09:38:34 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0dGTLXwhWS9KSpz9FDiIy9Rw5zrB6_tYGM6Sm9N1AnZwE_2CKKv2SZbEk

Your human brain is fallible. Don't set the stage for it to easily make a huge mistake.

Yeah I've seen these stories lately, although I think it is a completely different scenario.

I agree that's a different scenario. But then there's this one, which has been giving me nightmares lately:

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/08/07/fridley-car-fire-girl-dies-roberto-lino-hipolito-charged/

And yet if the shop burnt down with the parent in it, we'd be glad the kids were left in the car.

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2019, 10:02:30 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0dGTLXwhWS9KSpz9FDiIy9Rw5zrB6_tYGM6Sm9N1AnZwE_2CKKv2SZbEk

Your human brain is fallible. Don't set the stage for it to easily make a huge mistake.

Yeah I've seen these stories lately, although I think it is a completely different scenario.

I agree that's a different scenario. But then there's this one, which has been giving me nightmares lately:

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/08/07/fridley-car-fire-girl-dies-roberto-lino-hipolito-charged/

And yet if the shop burnt down with the parent in it, we'd be glad the kids were left in the car.

Never do anything!  It’s the only way to be sure.

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2019, 08:13:31 AM »
This is definitely one of those situations with many, many variables- age, time, temperature, etc. 

I don't see why anyone wouldn't at least fully open the windows OR leave the car and AC running.  If I'm in a place where I'm worried about theft, I'm not going to leave my kids in the car. 

Looks like 19 states have laws that actually make it illegal to keep your kids in the car- https://www.kidsandcars.org/resources/state-laws/  So if you are in one of the other 31 states and someone tells you they have reported you, as long as the police haven't arrive yet you should be able to just leave?  You haven't actually done anything illegal? 

Just take them everywhere by bike, nobody will call the cops on the crazy hippies with the bike trailer. And bike trailers don't get very hot even when it's quite sunny.

Problem solved.

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As a side note, in elementary school I once got in the wrong car in the pickup lane.  The mother didn't/couldn't actually see me so she didn't realize I wasn't her kid till she had actually started to drive off and I started talking to her.  I was fine- I'm sure she was horrified. 

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2019, 11:16:25 AM »
As a side note, in elementary school I once got in the wrong car in the pickup lane.  The mother didn't/couldn't actually see me so she didn't realize I wasn't her kid till she had actually started to drive off and I started talking to her.  I was fine- I'm sure she was horrified.

Oh my, that's an interesting story!  I'm having trouble imagining how she couldn't see you, though.  Did she not turn around to see her kid get in the car? 

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2019, 02:01:01 PM »
As a side note, in elementary school I once got in the wrong car in the pickup lane.  The mother didn't/couldn't actually see me so she didn't realize I wasn't her kid till she had actually started to drive off and I started talking to her.  I was fine- I'm sure she was horrified.

Oh my, that's an interesting story!  I'm having trouble imagining how she couldn't see you, though.  Did she not turn around to see her kid get in the car? 

I'm really not sure- I was pretty oblivious at that age.  She only drove a couple car lengths, so I think her mind just must have been elsewhere. 

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2019, 10:51:11 AM »
This is definitely one of those situations with many, many variables- age, time, temperature, etc. 

I don't see why anyone wouldn't at least fully open the windows OR leave the car and AC running.  If I'm in a place where I'm worried about theft, I'm not going to leave my kids in the car. 

Looks like 19 states have laws that actually make it illegal to keep your kids in the car- https://www.kidsandcars.org/resources/state-laws/  So if you are in one of the other 31 states and someone tells you they have reported you, as long as the police haven't arrive yet you should be able to just leave?  You haven't actually done anything illegal? 

Just take them everywhere by bike, nobody will call the cops on the crazy hippies with the bike trailer. And bike trailers don't get very hot even when it's quite sunny.

Problem solved.

-W
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As a side note, in elementary school I once got in the wrong car in the pickup lane.  The mother didn't/couldn't actually see me so she didn't realize I wasn't her kid till she had actually started to drive off and I started talking to her.  I was fine- I'm sure she was horrified.

Thanks for the link.  How did I know my state would be one of the first on the list?  The law in my state reads that the child has to be in a place of public accomodation or motor vehicle, be under 12 and be left for a period of time substantial enough to present a substantial risk to the child's health and safety.  It is a misdimeanor.  Leaving them outside a bar is a felony as is leaving them between 8pm and 6am.

IMO, this doesn't include a 5 minute errand where you can check on the car easily but who knows.  By the way, I would leave the scene anyway if someone reported me because EFF them. 

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2019, 07:50:34 AM »
As we lived in a small town with little grocery stores, I started leaving kids in the car for quick grocery trips if I could get one of the spots right in front of the store window once my oldest could unbuckle herself, open the car door, and wave her hand so I’d see her through the window and come out.  That way she could let me know if they needed me.  I think they were four, two, and an older infant at that point.  A year or two later for the times I couldn’t get that parking spot.  Maybe four years later for when we were visiting family in California, where you generally can’t see out the front of stores into the huge parking lots and people are much more into one another’s business.

On the idea of leaving kids alone at home, even when sleeping for short times—I had a family friend who’s five-year-old died when she threw up in her sleep and aspirated on it.  It’s not just major disasters like house fires and car wrecks that can make this situation dangerous.  Fairly normal occurrences can be disastrous for a little kid left alone.  I don’t leave my kids at home alone until about eight or nine when they can be trusted to respond appropriately to various situations—don’t answer the door, call me on the phone if needed, or go across the street to the neighbor in the case of a major emergency.  At that point I will leave them for short periods of time when they’re awake.

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Re: How do you feel about leaving your children in the car?
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2019, 11:43:29 AM »
LOL at the idea people in California are “more into each other’s business” compared to small towns (fact: there are no small towns in CA)