...at what age is someone, in your opinion, able to make decisions about their body independently, and why?
Yep. That is a really good question. Obviously we are at odds in this. The answer to your question is:
When they are able to give Informed Consent to such a procedure. Age is only one aspect to consider when contemplating informed consent. Therefore there is not an absolute age. That said, because of a variety of issues surrounding informed consent, an 11 year old is not likely to be able to make independent decisions about their body that involve procedures as explained by the OP.
So I will ask you the same question: at what age do
you think a person is able to make decisions about their body independently? (And because we are talking about a cupping ear "correction", lets make decisions that involve cosmetic surgery as the focus.)
2nd point is a straw man argument. We're not discussing that, we are discussing fixing a congenital deformity as an outpatient operation with a short recovery period.
You are absolutely correct on the Straw Man Fallacy.
I thought the idea you presented - namely that an 11 year old is able to make independent decisions that involve elective cosmetic surgery for his body - was absolutely absurd and laughable. I thought my response was a tit-for-a-tat.
Are you serious about 11 year olds being able/responsible enough to make such decisions as the OP presented?! (I personally will not continue a discussion on whether or not an 11 year old can give informed consent to the surgery that the OP has mentioned. As I mentioned earlier, I think the answer is obvious.)
The following questions need to be answered for consent to be truly informed:
- Are you (or the 11 year old) aware of the risks of the surgery? There are many, and most aren't trivial. (This would include, in the OPs case, the bullies/assholes still pick on the 11 year old, even if his ears are "fixed" so there is symmetry.
- What are the benefits? I can only think of one potential benefit.
- Do the risks outweigh the benefits? Or do the benefits outweigh the risks? (Obviously I side with the "risks outweigh the benefit.")
- Are there alternatives to this procedure?
You come across as if "fixing" this "congenital defect" is a minor procedure with no ramifications. You make it out that this is not a big deal. And that is where I disagree with you.