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Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:31:03 PM »
Hoping some fellow 'stachians have some advice for parents of a 7-year-old with inattentive- & hyperactive-combination ADHD.

Not interested in medication (not judging others' choices, just not right for our family), but looking for some suggestions on dietary/lifestyle changes that may have worked for others.

We've minimized screen time with increased outdoor play, and adopted an allergen-reduced diet (she's been mostly free of preservatives and artificial ingredients since birth). She gets a reasonable number of hours of sleep for her age (we give her melatonin). She's also scheduled to have some blood testing done for nutrient deficiencies.

A nearby psychology centre provides Cogmed therapy. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Is there anything else we should consider? Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 10:48:45 PM »
I believe that the research has suggested the cogmed is not particularly generalizable. In other words, it helps with skills very similar to the tasks on the computer program, but won't actually help with most daily life activities that ADHD affects (for example, if your child struggles to sit in her seat, or forgets to turn in homework, or pisses the other kids off because she's just too energetic, Cogmed will be of no help since it targets mostly working memory). Cogmed is also relatively expensive for a treatment that the research is not particularly supportive of.

I know that you don't want to hear this, but stimulant medication is the treatment that is most likely to help your child. I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying that, I'm just being honest about the research.

Dr Barkley is the leading expert on ADHD in the world. I've met him in person, and in addition to doing his own research, he reads every single academic article related to ADHD that is published (he's a busy man). In other words, he knows what he's talking about. I just skimmed this PDF from his website, but I didn't find any specific information about Cogmed. However, he does review a lot of other useful stuff. I'd encourage you to read this and peruse his website - you might even be able to find some info about Cogmed on it. http://www.russellbarkley.org/factsheets/adhd-facts.pdf

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2016, 08:23:55 AM »
An adult friend with ADHD swears that once she drastically cut down on refined flours (all types, even whole grain and nut flours) and sugar that her ADHD improved. She even watches her fruit intake and limits it to a couple servings a day because even too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Don't know if this is scientifically proven, but it makes sense given that we all feel buzzy on a sugar high, and foggy when we crash. Given that you already follow a strict diet, I'm sure you probably already watch this, but wanted to mention it just in case.

That being said, this friend also takes low dose medications which she believes were absolutely necessary for her to be successful in college and graduate school. If your child has moderate to serious ADHD (not mild) and is already experiencing social and/or academic difficulties, then you might want to talk to a couple different child psychologists and pediatricians about your desire to manage the case naturally, and your concerns about medications. They will be able to give you honest feedback on whether or not your child is a good candidate for conservative lifestyle based treatment only, or if they really think a little bit of medication is necessary. Most good doctors will not rush to medication for a child with mild ADHD, but they will consider it if the child is displaying problematic behaviors that could hinder them. Sometimes medication is required for certain children to really reach their potential in today's world. As someone who is very natural/green/crunchy oriented, I'd advise that you should be at least open to the possibility of meds at some point if your doctors think they may be necessary. Black and white, rigid stances on parenting and medical care rarely benefits our kiddos.

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2016, 09:50:56 AM »
I don't have firsthand experience on this issue. But with my general knowledge I would echo the advice to limit refined carbohydrates, and especially sugar. This is good practice for any human, but may be particularly useful in this case.

I would also have a strong hesitance to providing psychoactive or stimulant medications to a young child. We just don't know enough about the brain and what medications taken long term will do for developing minds. I wouldn't completely rule them out. But would have a strong caution and would try them only if other things didn't work and it was a pretty difficult situation and wasn't just a phase that the kid grew out of, etc. That said, I have heard that they work well for some people. And in some adults as well.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 10:02:08 AM »
My husband has ADHD-inattentive type. He takes medication for it, as needed--it's honestly the only thing that has worked for him.

I'm honestly more concerned that you are giving a 7-year-old melatonin. Melatonin is a hormone and not proven safe for kids/teens. Unless this has been prescribed by a physician, stop giving her this immediately.

As for dietary/lifestyle changes, do you do family therapy? There could be skills that you need to develop as a family to help her long-term. I know one thing my husband struggles with is procrastination, and in childhood, his parents got into the habit of "rescuing" so he would put things off (like school work or other projects), get overwhelmed and not be able to complete them, and then the parents would step in to help. Now he puts things off, but nobody is there to help, so he has to push through--and he's very capable and intelligent so it usually works out fine, but the added stress is no fun. He's had to develop skills like breaking apart large tasks into more do-able sub-components, with to-do lists and reminders, to keep on top of things.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 11:27:54 AM »
My husband has ADHD. Two out of our three children have ADHD, and the third is four, so time will tell. I don't, as far as we can tell, although sometimes I wonder about myself! My husband is an enormously informed patient when it comes to his disorder, and we've put a ton of reading, thinking, conferring and support-group leading and attending into how best to parent kids with ADHD.

Here's what we know about it: It's highly genetic, and is a function of dopamine re-uptake in the brain... which means it has very, very little to do with fruit, refined sugars, screen time, toxins in our water supply or anything else other than the way your brain processes dopamine. That's the science. You can do what you want with that information, but the research is what it is.

ADHD kids and adults need a lot of coaching for executive function. Our school really helps with that, because they give all the homework at the beginning of the week, and it's all due on Friday, so we walk the boys through creating a homework plan every week, and how to think about their other commitments ('So, you have a project due on Friday, but you have Karate on Thursday. That means your project has to be done when? Right, Wednesday!').

They have a great role model in their dad. We talk really actively about ADHD, including my husband being really candid about the things that are hard for him, so they'll see Dad and I discuss how to break down and handle complex tasks and how he can calm down and handle things one at a time when he's overwhelmed. We use a lot of checklists and to-do lists in our general family life, and are teaching the boys how to use paper and technology as an adjunct when they need to remember or organize something.

We make sure the kids are getting good sleep and good foods (whole foods, complex carbs, good fats) with no caffeine, which can mess with their meds. We talk a lot about balance -- my kids are inattentive and are easily sucked in by screens, but need to learn to manage their own screen-time needs, and their play time versus work time. We play games that encourage strategic thinking and executive function as a family. We teach meditation and breathing to calm impulsivity and help make good choices. The kids do music and martial arts and science. Their dad and I work at ADHD-focused, forward thinking parenting constantly, 24/7/365.

Still, the number one thing that has helped my kids has been the Focalin that they take daily. I say this without a single doubt. Meds have literally made the difference between being socially excluded and damn near expelled from school to now functioning like normal, bright, geeky little boys.  Your mileage may vary, but for us it's like refusing insulin to a diabetic.

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Re: Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 05:54:21 PM »
OP here -- I appreciate all the responses.

It's interesting to hear about the perspective of other ADHD adults. I am a former ADHD kid/ current (milder) ADHD adult who has not been treated in any way. In case I give the impression of being anti-medication or anti-science... I work in the medical field, I am not generally anti-medication and I review the published literature before making healthcare decisions.

It's funny -- I've given it a lot of thought over the years (the ADHD and how it's affected my life), but I was still kind of surprised to end up having a kid exactly like myself. So I find myself debating whether I should expect my daughter to live with it and cope with it the way I did, or whether I should follow my parental instinct to help make it easier for her than it was for me. I think a lot about how difficult many aspects of it were for me growing up (and even now, to some extent) -- social rejection because i said or did inappropriate things because i didn't have a filter (i.e. the things you think but you're not allowed to say). Then I would become very physically and verbally aggressive. The frustrations I felt in during class -- being sent down the the principal's office over and over again because I would constantly interrupt the teacher to blurt something completely irrelevant (i.e. mouth moving before brain realized anything was happening). I was angry with myself because I was out of control and I knew it but I couldn't seem to do anything about it. And this kind of thing continued, more or less, all the way until maybe 3rd or 4th year of university. That's a long time. I think if someone had offered me a way to be "normal" at that time, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. I would have wanted nothing more than just do what was expected of me, with as little fuss as possible.

I don't know when things started getting better. It was either biological, or a factor of all the little tricks I had learned to keep myself in check, or more likely a combination of both. But when it did start to improve, I starting realizing that I was pretty amazing at some stuff that "average" people were just average at. The hyperactivity became this energy that made me far more productive at work than anyone else: finishing my work ahead of time and then offering to do the work that everyone else avoided in my spare time. My "scatterbrain" developed into a talent at brainstorming that has been pretty useful. I think of weird solutions to problems. These kinds of things have been great for my career. And there are lots of ways they've benefited me in my personal goals too.

Anyway, I didn't intend for this to be a confessional. I'm not trying to imply that ADHD is this amazing gift that everyone should embrace. I can't even say that my experience is typical. But I CAN say that it has enriched me (or coping with it has), and if I could go back knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take the medication. That tells me that this is the best choice I can make for my daughter, and she has the incredible benefit of supportive parents that I didn't have.

TLDR; I wasn't going to get into the reasons I was not considering medication for my daughter, but there they are. I simply don't view ADHD as a disease that needs to be cured. If others disagree, then that's their prerogative as parents. I believe societal expectations of behaviour are as much of the problem as ADHD is, so I want to help my daughter fit in with "normal" society just enough to minimize her frustrations and isolation, but not in ways that will change the person she is or can be.

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 07:27:37 PM »
My son takes a low dose of generic Adderall XR.  It doesn't change who he is and it doesn't fix everything he's dealing with. We also work with a therapist and he is taking social skills classes this summer.  I think if you reflect on your struggles, wouldn't you want your daughter to have some help to make those struggles a little bit easier?  The medicine is not magic and life is not perfect with them, the coping skills still need to be developed.

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Re: Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2016, 01:26:05 AM »
You should consider whether taking your child out of school and homeschooling her would be helpful and/or possible. Read Penelope Trunk on homeschooling non-typical children (she's pretty absolute but will certainly get you thinking).

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2016, 05:25:40 AM »
A combination of meds and behaviour therapy is typically considered the gold-standard. That being said, there are lots of books written for parents of kids with ADHD with a ton of good information on raising such kids.

A good one is Smart But Scattered. If your child is fpgeting frustrated and having difficulty modulating emotions, I would also recommend The Explosive Child.

Also, I second the previous post about diet. Some parents swear by a gluten free diet. I think there's a book out there called The ADHD Diet which goes through the research.

Any books or therapy focusing on developing executive functioning skills is a good bet as well, as research is starting to suggest that lagging EFs contributes to ADHD symptoms.

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2016, 07:09:43 AM »
Talked to my husband about this again. Full disclosure, he not only has ADHD, he's also a therapist.

He's done some research and talking to people about ADHD over the years, and one of the things he found really interesting was something he heard from an educator who worked with a lot of kids with ADHD. She said that she noticed dramatic changes with kids who were able to get early interventions due to earlier diagnosis, and were able to get some medications in order to facilitate behavior changes. The kids who were able to get on medication in 1st grade were often off of medication entirely by 5th or 6th grade--it was that dramatic. And my husband is not big on medication; his is on an as-needed basis, so he has learned when he needs it, and when he doesn't--most days, he goes without. I know some parents do "med holidays" for their kids, like every weekend, or in the summers. Just because someone starts taking some medication doesn't mean it needs to be every day, forever.

So I would encourage you to re-think the no-medication stance. I wonder how different my husband's life would be if he'd had the early intervention. He didn't get diagnosed until adulthood (wasn't really a common diagnosis in the 80s anyway, but still), and it's still a struggle. Some of the stories of his experiences in childhood are just so effing sad--humiliation and shame from teachers, classmates, even his own family. I really encourage you to follow your parental instinct and make it easier for your daughter. I also don't view ADHD as a disease that needs to be cured; if anything, I think my husband's experiences have helped him be more sympathetic to others with differences, and that has lead him on a very interesting life path and career choice.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2016, 09:41:03 AM »
Another thing I'd think about is the change in schools to zero tolerance policies for certain kinds of behavior. Where you -- and my husband, who had a really similar experience in school -- could get away with being mouthy and impulsive in certain ways, with new zero tolerance for aggression/backtalk/bullying it is MUCH harder for kids who don't conform.

My oldest was suspended from Kindergarten for making a scissors (like, rock-paper-scissors style) motion with his hand and joking about cutting another kids. My middle son didn't want to sit in circle for an hour in Kindergarten and was nearly excluded from school for "having autism", based on his teacher's say-so. They had a lot of problems with talking back and joking around and 'implusivity', to the point where we pulled them both out of school and home-schooled for a year in lieu of the eldest being expelled for mouthiness that some kids interpreted as bullying.

They are much more able to chose to control themselves with medication in their lives. They don't always, because they're kids, but it means that they can fit in, make friends, be included and function in the classroom if they want to, and I really wanted them to have that option.

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2016, 06:02:12 AM »
Just a note: If you try meds, they can be extremely expensive.  (So can counseling.)  We have a very highly recommended counselor that we pay about $150/month for, and my son's meds were also costing $150/mo, BUT - I got his medication priced at Costco, and their prices are under $100.  So we will start going there, and you don't need to have a membership to use their pharmacy.

If your reluctance to use meds includes a cost concern, shop around.

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2016, 11:32:58 AM »
Just wanted to drop in and share a link to this course, which focuses on Elementary kids, but is really about strategies for dealing with ADHD through the lifespan.

Mr. Marvie and I did it together the last time it ran, and it really helped us understand and advocate for our kids, in school and in other ways. Highly recommended, and it's only 4 weeks, so it's not that much of a commitment.

https://www.coursera.org/learn/adhd-treatment

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2016, 02:29:35 PM »
You're in a great position to help your daughter, having already worked through all this yourself.  I think the most important things you can help her with are the skills she needs for making and keeping friends.  Gifted kids may be better at keeping up with her mental leaps and bounds than normal kids; one thing she'll never be is boring.

We don't medicate our children. Most of them are probably ADD/ADHD to some degree, but that runs in the family and is normal for us.  We homeschool, doing a combination of unschooling and taking advantage of teachable moments.  Having the freedom to follow their interests is working out very well for them; sometimes the flip side of the inability to focus on uninteresting things is the ability to hyperfocus on interesting things.

This lady has been an encouragement to me in ADHD homeschooling:
http://coffeeteabooksandme.blogspot.com/2011/05/homeschooling-our-adhd-experience.html

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2016, 10:38:00 AM »
My youngest has ADD and I was always against medication.  My brother also has ADHD and agreed with me and told me not to give my son medication.  Up until 4th grade my son was able to do reasonably well in school.  After a difficult 4th and 5th grade we decided to try a low dose to see if it would help.  He was moving from a neighborhood grade school to a large junior school that all the grade schools fed into.  We were worried about his not being able to keep up at the junior school switching classes every hour, many teachers and higher expectations.  The change on medication has been amazing.  He has gone from an average student to straight A honor roll.  He was recommended for advanced math and high school Spanish going into 7th grade.  He has become more confident and takes pride in his new accomplishments.  The teachers now include nice comments on his report card which helps increase his confidence.  I feel like the medicine allowed him to realize his potential and shine.  All the grandparents are very against medication and just think he needs more discipline so we don't tell them.  Son does not want them to know either.  I wish we could be more open but it is just not worth all the flack we'd get. 

My son wants to continue taking the ADD medication.  He says he feels he can focus on what his teachers are saying when he takes the medicine.  Before he said he was really trying, but struggled to pay attention.  We did try diet modification and he's never been a big screen kid.  He loves to play ball and spends a lot of time running around outside so not like we could try to take away video games and get him more exercise as he was already spending a lot of his free time playing, both structured rec teams and free play around the neighborhood.  As much as I was against medication I now have a very different opinion and it may be a good choice for some kids. 

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2016, 12:29:52 PM »


Is there anything else we should consider? Thanks in advance.

http://www.gapsdiet.com/

Great book. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 12:35:45 AM »
Hoping some fellow 'stachians have some advice for parents of a 7-year-old with inattentive- & hyperactive-combination ADHD.

Is there anything else we should consider? Thanks in advance.

http://ajot.aota.org/article.aspx?articleid=1869415
The evidence is albeit early, but the positives are so overwhelming and there are zero adverse side effects that I feel like it hurts parents and children who don't at least try. School systems are catching on. The intervention seems too easy, but the outcomes are pretty clear. When I've suggested this to parents, they kind of just smile. lol. And then don't spend the 35 bucks to try it.  lol. Please try and let us know how it works out!! ADHD kids are my favorite. :) (*friggin little astute buggers) :)

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 01:16:20 AM »
Anecdotally, and with the Olympics coming up, there are a lot of athletes with stories like "I was hyperactive so my parents sent me to gymnastics/athletics club/swimming club".

We are nearly all far too sedentary now, and one of the tenets of mustachianism is to get the body moving.  There are some recommended levels of physical activity for kids here -

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/physical-activity-guidelines-for-children.aspx

They are of course activity levels for all kids.  If you have an especially physically active kid they may need more.  I'm not trying to say physical activity is the whole or only answer, or that other approaches including medication are wrong (they clearly work in many cases), but if you are trying to avoid medication then upping the time, quality and intensity of physical activity levels may be a good way to try.

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But when it did start to improve, I starting realizing that I was pretty amazing at some stuff that "average" people were just average at. The hyperactivity became this energy that made me far more productive at work than anyone else: finishing my work ahead of time and then offering to do the work that everyone else avoided in my spare time. My "scatterbrain" developed into a talent at brainstorming that has been pretty useful. I think of weird solutions to problems. These kinds of things have been great for my career. And there are lots of ways they've benefited me in my personal goals too
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Hi OP, have you thought that perhaps this is not so much ADHD as you being smarter and more creative that most people?  And perhaps having grown out of your childhood ADHD enough that you can focus your attention on these tasks?

My son was only, finally, thankfully diagnosed at nearly 13, after years of misery and misdiagnosis (he's not "h").  He's really smart too, which is probably why the diagnosis took so long.  Meds have been miraculous, as he hadn't been at all able to cope with high school work that required more concentration than primary school.  He's gone from a C/D average to As this semester, and is so much happier and more confident.  But he's not your child and they're all different, just throwing it in there.

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 01:49:58 AM »
Meant to also say: no, nothing else worked for us.  Not diet, activity, therapy, sleep.

He doesn't take meds on weekends or holidays, but there's a definite carry over benefit from the days he does.  He has the experience of being calm and capable, and that seems to work as a guide to moderate his behaviour when he's got nothing in his system.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2016, 03:41:39 AM »
Meant to also say: no, nothing else worked for us.  Not diet, activity, therapy, sleep.

He doesn't take meds on weekends or holidays, but there's a definite carry over benefit from the days he does.  He has the experience of being calm and capable, and that seems to work as a guide to moderate his behaviour when he's got nothing in his system.

My best friend in elementary and high school = exact situation. He wasn't hyper active. Just broody and short tempered, but super sweet too. lol. Once they figured out what he was suffering from, meds happened, and life changed for him. In a positive and permanent way.

Meds are important but of course, most effective/least harm is where folks start.

I'm so happy to hear about your boy, btw. :) :)

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2016, 06:29:10 AM »
Meant to also say: no, nothing else worked for us.  Not diet, activity, therapy, sleep.

He doesn't take meds on weekends or holidays, but there's a definite carry over benefit from the days he does.  He has the experience of being calm and capable, and that seems to work as a guide to moderate his behaviour when he's got nothing in his system.

Yes yes yes, so much this. This is what I was talking about in my post. My DH has only experienced this as an adult. I can only imagine how powerful it would be as a child. I really wish my DH could have experienced this as a kid. Middle school, high school and college would have been so very different.

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2016, 06:37:17 AM »
i have ADHD never taken anything for it except the one time when the diagnosed me with it.  medicine made me not myself.  ADHD is a powerful tool.  it will allow you to hyperfocus on anything you've convinced yourself is worth your time and complete the task fast and efficiently.  I'd focus on making learning fun and taking in part in learning with your child and making going to the library fun etc.  this will encourage them to focus their energy on these fun learning things and allow them to learn faster than others at least that was my experience.  I was also gifted and my mother was a gifted teacher.  abouth 75% of her kids were diagnosed as ADHD as well as being gifted.  so you should think twice before applying meds and try to work with the inattentiveness.  it may be just due to someone else not showing the excitement in it with them.

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2016, 08:36:03 AM »
What is the result in a child that may not be gifted (intellectually) that has ADHD? What if that kid can't wait until the last moment to "hyperfocus" and get and A on an assignment they procrastinated doing? ADHD has the power to ruin a child's ability to function in standard environments. With the move in early childhood education to more math and reading, earlier in development, how is a child with ADHD to keep up?

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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2016, 08:42:43 AM »
What is the result in a child that may not be gifted (intellectually) that has ADHD? What if that kid can't wait until the last moment to "hyperfocus" and get and A on an assignment they procrastinated doing? ADHD has the power to ruin a child's ability to function in standard environments. With the move in early childhood education to more math and reading, earlier in development, how is a child with ADHD to keep up?

just stating my experience. i believe that if ADHD were as rampantly diagnosed when i was in kindergarten 20+ years ago i would have been given those drugs and i'd be worse off in life.  and i was obviously ADHD at that point by today's standards.

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Re: Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2016, 09:31:15 AM »
i have ADHD never taken anything for it except the one time when the diagnosed me with it.  medicine made me not myself.  ADHD is a powerful tool.  it will allow you to hyperfocus on anything you've convinced yourself is worth your time and complete the task fast and efficiently.  I'd focus on making learning fun and taking in part in learning with your child and making going to the library fun etc.  this will encourage them to focus their energy on these fun learning things and allow them to learn faster than others at least that was my experience.  I was also gifted and my mother was a gifted teacher.  abouth 75% of her kids were diagnosed as ADHD as well as being gifted.  so you should think twice before applying meds and try to work with the inattentiveness.  it may be just due to someone else not showing the excitement in it with them.

This is true IF AND ONLY IF you have the specific variant of ADHD that permits hyperfocus. My kids godfather does, and it got him his job at Google. One of my kids does, and we are teaching him to use that ability -- which he still has on medication -- to his advantage while also convincing him that balance is an important part of life.

My husband and my other son have an inattentive ADHD profile without the hyperfocus variant. For them ADHD is not at all a powerful tool, it's a potentially life-ruining disability. As an example, Mr Marvie had many, many car accidents as a teen and young adult, and is not allowed to drive while not on medication because his focus is so poor. Please don't assume that everyone's ADHD is just like your ADHD; it's a wide spectrum of symptoms.

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Re: Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2016, 09:32:57 AM »
Anecdotally, and with the Olympics coming up, there are a lot of athletes with stories like "I was hyperactive so my parents sent me to gymnastics/athletics club/swimming club".

We are nearly all far too sedentary now, and one of the tenets of mustachianism is to get the body moving.  There are some recommended levels of physical activity for kids here -

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/physical-activity-guidelines-for-children.aspx

They are of course activity levels for all kids.  If you have an especially physically active kid they may need more.  I'm not trying to say physical activity is the whole or only answer, or that other approaches including medication are wrong (they clearly work in many cases), but if you are trying to avoid medication then upping the time, quality and intensity of physical activity levels may be a good way to try.

This is also kind of true. Karate has been absolutely life-changing for my biggest kid. It gives him more places to send his energy, teaches focus and follow through and has a series of strong, predictable rewards that he can earn by working hard. It also gives him small-group interaction with adults he can look up to who aren't his parents. I didn't think we'd like it as a family, but I'm a big ole convert. :)

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Re: Advice on ADHD in 7 y.o.: Anyone tried Cogmed or similar?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2016, 09:38:37 AM »
i have ADHD never taken anything for it except the one time when the diagnosed me with it.  medicine made me not myself.  ADHD is a powerful tool.  it will allow you to hyperfocus on anything you've convinced yourself is worth your time and complete the task fast and efficiently.  I'd focus on making learning fun and taking in part in learning with your child and making going to the library fun etc.  this will encourage them to focus their energy on these fun learning things and allow them to learn faster than others at least that was my experience.  I was also gifted and my mother was a gifted teacher.  abouth 75% of her kids were diagnosed as ADHD as well as being gifted.  so you should think twice before applying meds and try to work with the inattentiveness.  it may be just due to someone else not showing the excitement in it with them.

This is true IF AND ONLY IF you have the specific variant of ADHD that permits hyperfocus. My kids godfather does, and it got him his job at Google. One of my kids does, and we are teaching him to use that ability -- which he still has on medication -- to his advantage while also convincing him that balance is an important part of life.

My husband and my other son have an inattentive ADHD profile without the hyperfocus variant. For them ADHD is not at all a powerful tool, it's a potentially life-ruining disability. As an example, Mr Marvie had many, many car accidents as a teen and young adult, and is not allowed to drive while not on medication because his focus is so poor. Please don't assume that everyone's ADHD is just like your ADHD; it's a wide spectrum of symptoms.

wasnt assuming was giving an example.  my opinion is ADHD is over medicated these days due to lazy teachers.  my mother an ex teacher agrees.

 

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