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Mustachian Community => Meetups and Social Events => Topic started by: Zikoris on April 07, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
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Anyone else in the Vancouver, BC or the surrounding area? I'd love to meet other early retirement people! Virtually everyone I know has drank the Kool-Aid and spends every penny they earn, gets into ridiculous debt, and freaks out about having no money on a regular basis. It would be great to meet some people like me!
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I live in Coquitlam. I agree it seems everyone in the GVRD has drank the Kool-Aid. I just stumbled upon this website myself. It would be great to get together and share ideas.
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I'm in Victoria.
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I am finding it difficult to meet my savings goals in this city. How are you two dealing with the disparity between job opportunities and living costs? I dread the thought of moving to a place like Edmonton but it would accelerate my progress towards FI.
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Now now, Edmonton isn't all that bad...it's actually quite nice for 3 months out of every year. That being said, housing is cheaper here than Van...and wages are generally higher...
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I will add me to this thread, I am in Bellingham which makes me nearly Canadian. I only got Canadian TV stations between the ages of 18 - 37 and therefore most of my adult life has been shaped and influenced by Canadian comedy shows. And Coronation Street on CBC on Sunday mornings. (RIP Blanche) I have been curling in White Rock, twice. :D
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Checking in from Victoria. We have a peculiar situation with the outrageous cost of home ownership here. It'd be interesting to hear perspectives from others in a similar situation.
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I hadn't checked on this thread for quite awhile, but to answer the question about living frugally here - it's actually super easy, by far the easiest place I've lived so far to find cheap housing and food!
Housing - there are so many options. I live in a housing co-op in Gastown, which is cheap cheap cheap($732/month, utils included, which I split with my boyfriend), and there are tons of these all over the city - they're run by the members and nobody's making a profit, so the rent in exactly what it costs to run the place, i.e. mortgage, utilities, etc. Before this, I always rented suites, always private - some basement suites, some suites in houses that had been converted into 5 or 6 apartments. I paid between $450 and $625 depending on which place it was, and lived in Kerrisdale, Mount Pleasant, and north Cambie street area. I constantly see Craigslist posting for things in the range even now - there's just no reason to pay a ton of money, when there are so many options here.
Food - We spend $230/month total on food, including toilet paper and stuff, and eat like KINGS - we eat absolutely whatever we want, but I make everything from scratch from base ingredients, which cost next to nothing. No Frills, Costco, TnT, and Sunrise Market are great cheap stores to shop at. We don't have bikes, but we have a cat stroller that doubles as a grocery carrying cart whenever we need it so lug home a 20lb bag of flour or do a bigger shopping.
Transportation - We purposely live and work downtown. I walk to work, and buy one book of bus tickets a month for $21. My boyfriend works a bit further and buys a monthly pass(81), which we can share on Sundays, so we try to run errands together then.
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I've been interested in Coop housing. Did you have to buy a share to move in? Are there any restrictions?
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New Westminster here.
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Near Coquitlam and Port Coquitlam here. Expensive city.
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Another Mustachian named Mike in Coquitlam, what are the odds?
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I didn't have too much trouble getting into my housing co-op - you have to buy shares, but it's not very much - most places require around one months rent, with a small handful requiring a few months rent. There's a minimum income requirement(I had to bring a letter from my employer to the interview), but other than that you just have to pass a panel interview, have a bunch of references(we had around 10, employers, landlords, my boyfriend's university teachers, volunteer references, etc), and do a credit check.
There are size restrictions - a minimum and maximum number of people per bedroom, so if you`re one person and you want a three bedroom place, forget it. Almost all co-ops are pet friendly as well, which is nice in a city like Vancouver.
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I will be based in Vancouver starting January... maybe a good time for a meet up?
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Hi folks...
I'm in Vancouver for a couple of months, and am offering free eco-driving/hypermiling coaching in January.
(See: Offering GRATIS eco-driving coaching - Vancouver BC. Punch Big Oil in the face! (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/meetups-and-social-events/offering-gratis-eco-driving-coaching-vancouver-bc-punch-big-oil-in-the-face!/)
I'd be willing to do this in small groups as well, so it might be a good way for local mustachians to get together WHILE learning useful skills!
Darin
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Hi,
I live in North Vancouver; been here for about 2.5 years. I am hoping to semi-retire in a couple years and right now expect that I will move back to Ontario when that happens but who knows.
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Zikoris - a couple of questions about the co-op if you don't mind as I've been looking into this option myself.
How long did it take for you to get in? Did to apply to multiple places to get something quicker?
How is the condition of your building? I have looked at several co-op buildings and they have all been in noticeably poorer condition than surrounding buildings. Many desparately need a paint job. I've heard horror stories of infighting amongst members when badly needed repairs to the building are needed. How has your experience been so far?
To all other Vancouver folks - what % of your total spending is spent on rent (I'm assuming none of us would be silly enough to buy here)? Mine is about 40%.
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Hi Jeff!
I took me about three months to get in after the interview. I interviewed in June 2010, was accepted and thrown on the wait list, and a place came up mid-September to move in end of September. Being willing to move on short notice gives you a HUGE advantage as most "normal" people live close to the wire and can't afford to eat the security deposit at their apartment if something happens to come up mid-month.
We applied at our current place and this one www.foursisters.ca (http://www.foursisters.ca), buy got accepted here first - I think Four Sisters looks really nice as well though!
Our building seems to be in pretty good condition, though I don't have much to compare to - all my previous places were basement suites, or houses converted to suites. We hire cleaners and companies to do things like window washing, so the building looks pretty good from the outside, and we have a ton of people who love gardening and maintain all the gardens, flowers, trees, and keep all the outdoor spaces in good order. We definitely keep everything repaired that needs to be done - it helps that our board and finance committee(I'm on both) are really well organized and managed by people who are decisive and get shit done.
I think there would probably be a big difference between co-ops on the issue of politics/squabbling though - it's really going to depend on what the people in charge are like. I think that very large co-ops would be more likely to wind up with competent leadership, vs smaller ones where they might not have more than one or two people who really understand things like building construction/maintenance and handling the finances of a corporation.
Are there any co-ops you're interested in specifically? I might know of them.
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There seems to be a huge range as far as what people pay for food here - I know someone who pays $400 for one person, and a one couple that pay around $1000. One of my ex-boyfriend spent $120 for himself. We used to pay $380, but that was a 100% organic(and mostly local) diet, hand-delivered weekly into our kitchen(honestly).
Do you have a food system worked out? Having a plan is probably the biggest help for lowering costs(besides cutting hand-delivery into your kitchen...). We have a very specific system we use, though it changes fairly often to accommodate our lives better. We have about seven stores we use for different things, all in different parts of the city, and a routine that takes us to the farther ones at regular intervals to get unusual things(teff and other weird grains mostly). We keep stocks of stuff in amounts that mean we rarely pay full price for anything. Any expensive ingredients(Gardein crispy chicken), we refuse to buy unless they're heavily on sale. We compare unit price on literally every non-produce item we buy. And of course, heavily game any sort of store-specific rewards systems we can manage.
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I am wondering if anyone in the Vancouver area can recommend a good cell phone plan. I have always had cell phones through work but I was recently laid off and have to return the phone. I only need a relatively basic plan including text and prefer not to have to commit to a full year contract as I could move away or if I get similar work it may provide a phone again. Any ideas?
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I live and work in Vancouver, but at every opportunity I am on the ferry out of Tsawwassen to head to my slice of heaven on one of the Gulf Islands. I have 10 acres of stunning land that is just begging for a certain early retiree to start up a sustainable farm and garden.
Won't miss the high cost of living in Vancouver whatsoever.
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For a good basic cell phone plan check out the 7-11 Speakout Wireless(prepaid) plan. It is run on the Rogers network and the top ups are good for a year. If you don't use the phone too much, it could be as cheap as $25 a year!
There is a good unofficial Speakout Wireless Canada web page worth looking into if you are interested.
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I'll be in Vancouver in May! I grew up in Abbotsford, but have lived in Vancouver, too.
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I'm up in the southern reaches of Desolation Sound, but used to live in Victoria, and still go there to see friends sometimes, or passing through to travel down to the States to see my family.
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jon_snow - what is the price of land like there, now? I'd love to get away from the winters here (near Ottawa). Picking up a few acres would be awesome...
Where do you look for land - other than mls?
Cheers!
(I've visited Vancouver once, for a conference - very nice place, reminded me of home - UK :))
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Daverobev - now that I've lived in Abbotsford, Vancouver, Montreal, and Saskatoon - I can certainly attest to the fact that winters in the lower mainland part of BC are brief and mild! So nice!
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Daverobev - now that I've lived in Abbotsford, Vancouver, Montreal, and Saskatoon - I can certainly attest to the fact that winters in the lower mainland part of BC are brief and mild! So nice!
Just gotta convince the wife ;) Working on it!!
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I'm in Kelowna, got sick of the rain of the Lower Mainland ;)
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Ah, Kelowna! Great weather. Victoria is good for less rain, too.
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I will add me to this thread, I am in Bellingham which makes me nearly Canadian. I only got Canadian TV stations between the ages of 18 - 37 and therefore most of my adult life has been shaped and influenced by Canadian comedy shows. And Coronation Street on CBC on Sunday mornings. (RIP Blanche) I have been curling in White Rock, twice. :D
KulshanGirl,
Late to the party but had to laugh at your comments. I had the opposite experience: growing up in Vancouver watching cartoons and Batman, etc on KVOS TV!
Now live in North Van and vist Bellingham frequently (member of a camping association near Alger). Brought back memories when I finally saw the little KVOS TV building a few years ago.
We are very fond of the Bellingham area and all that it has to offer. My wife dreams of retiring in South Hill if she could work out the affordability and citizenship!
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"We are very fond of the Bellingham area and all that it has to offer. My wife dreams of retiring in South Hill if she could work out the affordability and citizenship!"
I would loooove to live in bellingham! So nice there, and the houses are cheaper than in abbotsford, bc.
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Representing as a Vancouver Mustachian, hello!
I am in the Commercial Drive area. I have had my areas of frugality for a lot of years, for example I have been car sharing since 2000 (before most people knew what it was), being car free makes me happy. Finding this website has really challenged me to improve my game in a lot of areas where I was soft. I had these areas of frugality already and figured I could "splurge", but I see those areas of splurge are not adding to my life, but are just sloppy, and sometimes actually take away from my lifestyle. This process has been fun, and is definitely ongoing. And retiring early and not having to depend on a job? Awesome! Very motivating.
Good info about co-op housing here, sounds like a good plan the next time I am looking for a rental.
Would anybody be interested in a meetup? I wouldn't mind arranging if there is interest.
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I'd be interested in a meetup, especially if someone else does the organizing - I'll bring the baked goods!
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Ok, a meetup it will be! I'll plan one soon such as a picnic in the park, but will give it a few weeks lead up to see if we can get a few people responding. This system doesn't seem to be emailing replies to this thread, so I might set up a Vancouver Mustachian Facebook group for quicker back and forth. In the meantime if anyone else is interested, maybe send me a PM as well. Does anyone know how to get replies emailed on this forum? Is it possible?
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I'm also just south of the border. I'd join in depending on work schedule and if I can get the family to commit to joining in.
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I think a Facebook group is a great idea, post the link here when you get it up and people will probably gravitate there pretty quickly.
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Done! Although it is a Facebook page, not a group, because it would not allow me to create a group without members. If it does not fit the bill, I will fix it later.
Link is www.facebook.com/pages/Vancouver-Mustachians/533039516759250?fref=ts, or search in Facebook for "Vancouver Mustachians".
Like the page if you like the idea of local meetups, and/or want to keep in touch with those in Vancouver area.
I am thinking tentatively a meetup for Sunday, June 23rd, picnic at Trout Lake. I will post it soon. Any ideas, let me know, as I am not committed to any of that yet!
Karen
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New MMM registry here, also in Vancouver. Abhor Facebook, but that date sounds good - I'll check this forum.
Just cancelled my bus pass for the summer. I am not a badass winter cyclist (yet) but maybe this year...
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Regarding the mustache map ... We're going camping on San Juan Island soon and I am going to be SO CLOSE to a couple of you, yet so far. :) I will wave across the water at you!
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New MMM registry here, also in Vancouver. Abhor Facebook, but that date sounds good - I'll check this forum.
Just cancelled my bus pass for the summer. I am not a badass winter cyclist (yet) but maybe this year...
Fair enough, I don't think Facebook is the be all and end all. I'll post on the Facebook page, and I will post on the Forum as well, in a separate thread as well as in this thread.
The meetup is going to be Sunday June 23rd at 12:00 noon at Trout Lake. I am thinking the meeting/picnic place will be just east of the concession stand in the grass assuming it is not taken, I will post a sign with a Mustache on it. Also, I look amazingly like my avatar, so maybe you will recognize me. Bring snacks/beverages to share if desired, perhaps a frisbee to throw around. Although you would be welcome if you just show up. Let me know in the forum or on the Facebook page if interested! I am happy if 2 or 22 or 52 people come. I have only heard from a handful so far, so am assuming right now that this gathering will not be large.
I have a commute into Burnaby that I have been cycling, and I have gone down to 1 zone because I make a point to at least cycle through Burnaby, although I look forward to doing the whole trip going home. I might go back to 2 zone in the winter, we will see, although I do winter commute sometimes, just have to have some way of keeping dryish, and do the brakes more often. I organized Bike to Work Week this year for the first time in my office, and got 2 coworkers seriously interested in bike commuting who before thought it was not possible from our location. Winning! :-)
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Regarding the mustache map ... We're going camping on San Juan Island soon and I am going to be SO CLOSE to a couple of you, yet so far. :) I will wave across the water at you!
I can literally see San Juan Island from my property in the Gulf Islands... I could hop in my kayak and get there in about an hour and a half - if it were not for the issues of crossing the border, and paddling across a very busy shipping lane.
Good to know that other Mustachians are in the great Northwest!
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Jon Snow, I feel really lucky to live in Bellingham, and to be so near to the islands. Right after I made the reservation at the campsite there was one of those "top 5 islands in the world" segments on TV. Bora Bora, and ... San Juan Island. So there you go, we're vacationing in a top spot. For like, $140 for three days/two nights total, including the ferry and incidentals. Woohoo!
Now, I hope I can get to Anacortes around the bridge clusterfack going on down south of here. Will probably drive Chuckanut, which is just a horrible, unpleasant, unscenic sort of drive. Hee hee.
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Hello Vancouver peeps! This is still a go if anyone else is interested.
The meetup is going to be Sunday June 23rd at 12:00 noon at Trout Lake. I am thinking the meeting/picnic place will be just east of the concession stand in the grass assuming it is not taken, I will post a sign with a Mustache on it. Also, I look amazingly like my avatar, so maybe you will recognize me. Bring snacks/beverages to share if desired, perhaps a frisbee to throw around. Although you would be welcome if you just show up. Let me know in the forum or on the Facebook page if interested! I am happy if 2 or 22 or 52 people come. I have only heard from a handful so far, so am assuming right now that this gathering will not be large.
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The meetup was (very) small, but awesome. Zikoris and her boyfriend showed up (not sure of his handle here), and we had a great time talking for a few hours. It is so energizing to be around people with similar interests and goals. Also cool to meet a couple so much on the same page with each other. We compared a lot of notes and tips while munching homemade cookies and throwing around a frisbee. I'm going to be more seriously checking out those TD e-funds myself as I am in the middle of questioning everything about my retirement savings.
We discussed the idea of going to the Symphony in the park (Central Park in Burnaby) in the near future as a meetup. I see from this thread that we are a fairly spread out group geographically, but we are going to see if we can draw another person or two into a meetup idea. Check back for more details!
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My family and I just got our nexus passes so now it's much easier for us to get into BC than it used to be! Is it anti-mustachian to spend $50 once to avoid idling at the border for the next few years...?
I'll keep an eye on this thread, and would be up for a get-together in the Vancouver area - especially South or East of the city, when schedules allow. My wife may still be a bit wierded out by the idea of meeting mustachians from the internet, but I think I could get the family up there for a picnic and to play, especially if the park chosen has a playground for them. I was actually at Bear Creek Park in Surrey with the family a few weeks ago. It was quite nice (and free), and the kids loved the playground there.
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Hello West Coasters!
I am currently on a mission to be FI as soon as possible. I would also like to setup where I plan to spend my ER time while I am still working. I currently live in southern Saskatchewan and want a life of forests, no snow and ocean....therefor I am looking at moving to Nanaimo or somewhere along the east side of Vancouver Island. I plan on selling my current home and investing the proceeds to pad my Stash while renting at what would be much cheaper monthly cost than ownership. I will have my two children in grades 7 and 9 to consider best location to finish growing up and job opportunities while my wife and I complete our investments to reach the 4% mark.
Comments or Thoughts?
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Stasher - I live in SK now, and I grew up in BC.
BC is heaven. But that is my very biased opinion ;)
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LibraryJoy , there is good money to be made in SK now if you can manage to keep expenses low. How long have you been here? I'm down in Estevan myself. Do you have any experience with Island living?
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Chalk up another one in Vancouver, interested in any future meetups. I tried going to the Facebook link but it didn't go anywhere?
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The "free entertainment" thread made me think to mention something here - every summer there's free ballroom dancing on Friday nights at Robson Square downtown, starting on the 27th this month.
If any of you are looking for that type of thing, it's something to check out - and it always starts with a beginner lesson if you've never danced before, and you can come as a single or couple or group - everyone dances with everyone. I go pretty much every Friday, except when I'm traveling.
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As someone with two left feet, that sounds scary. ;)
Would love to meet up with some Vancouver mustachians at some point - I would be happy to share early impressions of ER which will happen for me at the end of September!!!
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A few people in Victoria like me. Perhaps if we get enough we should start up a group!
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AssetGrinder, I am in the Gulf Islands a lot, so Victoria is very doable for me. Although I mostly live and work in and around Vancouver (not for much longer!), I have much more affinity for Victoria.
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A new local Mustachian meetup group has formed! You guys should check it out / join. No meetups planned yet, but I'm sure something will show up soon. http://www.meetup.com/Money-Mustache-Meetup-Vancouver/
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Please also post meet up date here, I addition to meet up site.
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Okay, whoever started the Meetup group has made me an organizer, so I just scheduled my first one!
Stanley Park has free outdoor movies every Tuesday all summer. Meetup for the one next week, Mean Girls, Tuesday the 29th at Second Beach. Me and my boyfriend will be there at 8:30-ish, movie starts at dark, around 9:30. We have a big black and orange beach mat, and a mustache flag on a broomstick. There's just one big grassy area where people sit, so it should be easy to find us.
Super casual. Bring snacks or drinks to share of you like. We'll bring some sort of cookies. Come early if you want to hang out and chat, later if you just want to see the movie.
Bike if you can! There's a free bike valet. We'll be using it.
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This is great! I was a bit bummed when the topic slid off the first page due to lack of activity.
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How did the meetup go?
Just finished watching the CleanBin documentary filmed in Vancouver. Very cool, http://cleanbinproject.com/
They have their new one that just released , Just Eat it http://www.foodwastemovie.com/
Both are very Mustachian in the underlying concepts of buying meaninfully and not wasting your hard earned cash
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We didn't manage to find each other at the outdoor movie, but we had another meetup last weekend going for a short hike in Iona Park in Richmond that about 7 or 8 people came to. That was fun!
What kind of meetups would you guys be interested in? Right now we seem to be trending towards free events and hiking.
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Any Vancouver sea kayakers? My wife and I would certainly love to paddle with some west coast mustachians.
If not, hiking is always good.
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Any Vancouver sea kayakers? My wife and I would certainly love to paddle with some west coast mustachians.
If not, hiking is always good.
Got any spare kayaks? I've gone kayaking a few times but couldn't reasonably own/store/transport one myself due to living in a 5th floor downtown apartment with no car.
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Zikoris, my kayaking "fleet" consists of 3 kayaks, so yeah, a couple of spares.
I'll have to figure out the logistics of it all, because I keep the boats at my Gulf Island property (a 2 hour ferry ride away)- I live in a 3rd floor condo here in Vancouver, so I have storage issues as well. But I do like bringing them to the city on occasion to hit up some of the great paddling spots the Lower Mainland has to offer.
Any Vancouver Mustachian kayaking trips might have to wait till next Spring/Summer - by then I'll have been ER'ed for a while and have the time and inclination to plan something. It could be really fun.
There is always the rental option - TONS of kayak rental possibilities in Vancouver.
One month of work left for me - then I might start making some appearances at some Vancouver meetups.
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Zikoris, my kayaking "fleet" consists of 3 kayaks, so yeah, a couple of spares.
I'll have to figure out the logistics of it all, because I keep the boats at my Gulf Island property (a 2 hour ferry ride away)- I live in a 3rd floor condo here in Vancouver, so I have storage issues as well. But I do like bringing them to the city on occasion to hit up some of the great paddling spots the Lower Mainland has to offer.
Any Vancouver Mustachian kayaking trips might have to wait till next Spring/Summer - by then I'll have been ER'ed for a while and have the time and inclination to plan something. It could be really fun.
There is always the rental option - TONS of kayak rental possibilities in Vancouver.
One month of work left for me - then I might start making some appearances at some Vancouver meetups.
Spending money on the ferry might put off some frugal types but visiting your property and putting in the water on the island side would be the more rewarding kayak experience. Plus a weekend couch surfing or tenting somewhere and visiting the island farmers markets screams the ER lifestyle. Part of why I moved from SK to Van Island.
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Spending money on the ferry might put off some frugal types but visiting your property and putting in the water on the island side would be the more rewarding kayak experience. Plus a weekend couch surfing or tenting somewhere and visiting the island farmers markets screams the ER lifestyle. Part of why I moved from SK to Van Island.
Going as a foot passenger on the ferry is usually pretty cheap - $5-$10 each way depending where you're going. Party at jon_snow's island place? LOL
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Spending money on the ferry might put off some frugal types but visiting your property and putting in the water on the island side would be the more rewarding kayak experience. Plus a weekend couch surfing or tenting somewhere and visiting the island farmers markets screams the ER lifestyle. Part of why I moved from SK to Van Island.
Going as a foot passenger on the ferry is usually pretty cheap - $5-$10 each way depending where you're going. Party at jon_snow's island place? LOL
He won't mind will he :)
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Never thought of Vancouverstachians (hope you haven't copyrighted that term Zikoris) coming the other way, to my little island in the Salish Sea. It's a pretty nice spot to be.
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Nice island! Do you have some sort of house or cabin on it, or just wilderness? Which island, and is there regular ferry service?
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Another meetup this weekend for anyone who wants to do some easy hiking on the north shore! I made an event on the meetup group, but feel free to join us even if you're not a part of that group.
This Sunday, August 17th Lynn Loop, in the Lynn Headwaters park. About 5km, minimal elevation gain, nice well maintained trail. We meet in the picnic area, past the parking lot, near the drinking fountains and outhouses. Meet at 10:30, leave at 10:45. Picnic afterwards, since it's a loop that comes back to the start.
More info on the hike: http://www.vancouvertrails.com/trails/lynn-loop/ (http://www.vancouvertrails.com/trails/lynn-loop/)
Map of the park: http://www.metrovancouver.org/about/maps/Maps/LynnHeadmap.pdf (http://www.metrovancouver.org/about/maps/Maps/LynnHeadmap.pdf)
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Spending money on the ferry might put off some frugal types but visiting your property and putting in the water on the island side would be the more rewarding kayak experience. Plus a weekend couch surfing or tenting somewhere and visiting the island farmers markets screams the ER lifestyle. Part of why I moved from SK to Van Island.
Going as a foot passenger on the ferry is usually pretty cheap - $5-$10 each way depending where you're going. Party at jon_snow's island place? LOL
It's $16 per person walk on for most ferries, $12 to Salt Spring. Some of the smaller ones may still be $10 (Denman, maybe??) The good news is that transit is great on the vancouver side, and into Victoria, and Sechelt. Otherwise the bus charters start to set you back $40 to $75.
With transit, Ferry walk ons and two people, you can expect to spend $75 easy for a round trip day. So I budget for it, it is not "Cheap", but maybe "value priced" and we rarely go unless a special trip... taking kayaks would cost a lot more, as it is hard to get a kayak on a bus. (LOL, I would love to see someone try that one!)
Ferries are not cheap! We finally returned from our camping "trip of a lifetime", over 2+ weeks, and spent $1800 on Ferry fares alone (Two ferries, family of 4). I felt very extravagant. It did include Prince Rupert, so not the normal ferry trip.
I may be game for a kayak (flat water) trip locally on the vancouver side. Ladner is supposed to be nice, or of course all those areas around Burrard Inlet.
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Spending money on the ferry might put off some frugal types but visiting your property and putting in the water on the island side would be the more rewarding kayak experience. Plus a weekend couch surfing or tenting somewhere and visiting the island farmers markets screams the ER lifestyle. Part of why I moved from SK to Van Island.
Going as a foot passenger on the ferry is usually pretty cheap - $5-$10 each way depending where you're going. Party at jon_snow's island place? LOL
It's $16 per person walk on for most ferries, $12 to Salt Spring. Some of the smaller ones may still be $10 (Denman, maybe??) The good news is that transit is great on the vancouver side, and into Victoria, and Sechelt. Otherwise the bus charters start to set you back $40 to $75.
With transit, Ferry walk ons and two people, you can expect to spend $75 easy for a round trip day. So I budget for it, it is not "Cheap", but maybe "value priced" and we rarely go unless a special trip... taking kayaks would cost a lot more, as it is hard to get a kayak on a bus. (LOL, I would love to see someone try that one!)
Ferries are not cheap! We finally returned from our camping "trip of a lifetime", over 2+ weeks, and spent $1800 on Ferry fares alone (Two ferries, family of 4). I felt very extravagant. It did include Prince Rupert, so not the normal ferry trip.
I may be game for a kayak (flat water) trip locally on the vancouver side. Ladner is supposed to be nice, or of course all those areas around Burrard Inlet.
I haven't been on too many ferries, but I went hiking on Bowen Island a few weeks ago and the ticket was a little over $11 round trip, so like $5 or $6 each way.
How did you spend $1800 on two ferry rides? that seems.... mind bogglingly high.
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Let me just say, I'm excited to join in on these hikes one day! I should be back in bc in 1-2 years :D
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I mentioned this on the Lynn Loop hike but I'll also state here, I have access to my parents' 3-person canoe in Cowichan Bay. The MMM navy grows larger! Pic related it's an Old Town 17' fiberglass canoe.
(http://i.imgur.com/B716Chn.jpg)
It's also great for hauling cargo with 2 people paddling. 200 pounds of cargo in this or more is easy and almost as fast as a kayak with 2 strong paddlers.
And thx Zikoris for roping me in from the ERE forums :)
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I love how we're putting together the Royal Mustache Navy. So West Coast. We have to get everyone with boats together some weekend.
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A couple of my contributions to the Northwest Mustachian Navy. :) I also have another kayak not pictured here.
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Not to get too off-topic but I'm hoping to get a bicycle-drawn canoe trailer for fully amphibious human powered transportation!
on land:
(http://i.imgur.com/nCcB7BA.jpg)
in the water:
(http://i.imgur.com/U4CKihd.jpg)
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Not to get too off-topic but I'm hoping to get a bicycle-drawn canoe trailer for fully amphibious human powered transportation!
on land:
(http://i.imgur.com/nCcB7BA.jpg)
in the water:
(http://i.imgur.com/U4CKihd.jpg)
That would be a brutal haul up the north shore mountains!
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We haven't made the dive into the canoes or Kayaks yet as we have taken to mountain biking in the Cowichan Valley with a passion. We have Mt Tzouhalem, Maple Mountain, Cobble Hill and Mt Prevost....the riding is some of the best in Canada. We did the MMM way though and when we moved to Vancouver Island from the prairies we sold all of our motorbikes as the whole family raced (talked about a crazy expensive money pit that was) The sales completely offset the purchase price of new bikes for the whole family and now we can enjoy a sport that is relatively cost free. We love hiking as well and plan to make some longer treks or overnight trips to learn the ropes for back country hikes. I will watch for the meetups here and hopefully find one that fits my schedule.
Your photos are very nice Jon_Snow , love the yellow happy faces Trevmillion, nice art work.
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I'm quite the opposite, Stasher. I am all over the kayaking thing, have been for over 20 years - but I really am lacking in the biking department. Going against one of the main tenants of Mustachianism I DO NOT OWN A BIKE. There, I said it...
My wife is quite a cyclist, and we actually hit up Cap's Bicycles this past weekend to look at getting her a new one. She is determined to ditch the truck more often and ride her bike to work, right through the winter. Her commute is only 7k one way, so very doable, though there are some killer hills to conquer. From what I saw, you can get a pretty skookum hybrid bike for between $600-800. Will probably pounce if we can get a really good deal.
I had a pretty bad bike accident as a kid (I still bear the scars to this day) and I think it's lingering memories of this that keeps me from embracing the bike culture. :(
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We haven't made the dive into the canoes or Kayaks yet as we have taken to mountain biking in the Cowichan Valley with a passion. We have Mt Tzouhalem, Maple Mountain, Cobble Hill and Mt Prevost....the riding is some of the best in Canada.
Wow mt Zoo looks amazing - my family lives in Cow Bay so next time I'm there maybe we'll ride it a bit. I wonder how realistic a Cowichan Valley meetup is?
According to this maps there's a ton of trails, what's the skill level involved? http://www.trailforks.com/file/region/43/
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Thought I'd mention something that might be of interest to fellow Vancouverstachians: The City of Vancouver offers a worm composting workshop through the compost centre on Maple Street. They heavily subsidize it - $25 for a class, book, bin/bedding, and worms - to encourage more people to take it up. I'll be attending the next one, which they'll schedule when enough people show up - hopefully within the next few weeks.
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I'll be down in Vancouver for a couple days in November, so if you are doing a meet-up when I am there maybe I will be able to come!
I'd be interested in any nice little hikes that are accessible by public transport while I am there if any one has some suggestions. Or other cheep ideas of things to do. I've been to Vancouver before but looking for new ideas.
Thanks
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We are a family of four (sons aged 2 and 6) and live and work in Burnaby.
We also live in a Co-op, I was glad to see that it was mentioned a few times already as an affordable option to the crazy Vancouver prices. We love it.
Recently found the MMM blog and read all blog posts, it was nice to see that there are other frugal people out there and it was then also great to find that such people also exist in Vancouver!
Would love to meet our fellow Mustachians in Vancouver if a family/kids friendly event gets organized in the future.
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This thread needs an update!
I moved back to Vancouver.... would love to meet some MMM locals!
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one way is by joining the meetup group, we did a bunch last year. I suppose you could suggest one? We do a lot of hikes as less people show up to the biking ones it seems.
http://www.meetup.com/Money-Mustache-Meetup-Vancouver/
What part of vancouver are you?
seawall picture because why not
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Just signed up for the meetup, looking forward to meeting you all. I'm new to the MMM lifestyle so would love some tips on getting started as well.
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I'm downtown. I saw the Veggie burger meetup, but decided to pass on the meatless burger.
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i'm going anyway, I'll probably just get a coffee haha. Too bad they don't have beer. Although the lentil panini doesn't look bad
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There are quite a few vegetarians and vegans in the group (myself included), so that's to be expected! Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight.
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Would have loved to come and meet everyone, but had prior engagements with friends I had to attend. Really hope you all get together soon so I can join.
Bryan
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another hike next Sunday the 31st, I think at 11 AM. Stanley park this time, so more of a "stroll" than a hike really. Not up on the meetup page so details may still change.
http://www.meetup.com/Money-Mustache-Meetup-Vancouver/
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As one of the meetup group event organizers, I'm thinking about starting a recurring weekly casual bike ride event. It would be a weekday evening things and probably around 10km-ish at an easy pace on various trails starting around downtown or science world. Definitely could be a good way for people who aren't in the habit of biking to build up some strength and get back into it.
Is there any interest in something like that? We did one biking meetup a while back and only one person showed up, but there are a lot more people in the group now...
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i think its' cool that so many people joined the group. We've had a pretty big turnout at the last 2 events.
I'm game for bike things but I was the "only one person to show up" so it would be nice to get more people interested. Luke has said he wants to ride bikes but needs a place to store his bike, maybe he can use my spare.
Maybe pitch it on meetup instead as I'm not sure that many people check this thread as compared to the meetup page.
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Are Vancouver people still using this thread or is there another thread?? I'm new to forum and may be interested in a meetup sometime.
We've moved to Meetup - here's the group if you'd like to join: https://www.meetup.com/Money-Mustache-Meetup-Vancouver/ (https://www.meetup.com/Money-Mustache-Meetup-Vancouver/)
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Thanks @ Zikoris I joined. I'm still somewhat anonymous but maybe you will see me at one of the events soon. I read in your thread about cooperative housing which is something I knew very little about....so I found one in my neighbourhood that I will investigate.
Thanks for that tip! The costs are about $380/month less than I pay in rent which is substantial. I like the idea of not being kicked out if my owner decides to cash out of the market.
That's great! You should definitely apply to some co-ops - they get surprisingly few applications, because most people don't want to bother with the interview process, wait list, etc.
I'll probably schedule a potluck or movie screening or something for the meetup group sometime in the next month - my co-op has a nice big amenity room for members to use, which is nice. Normally the events are more outdoorsy stuff like hiking, but the weather is not co-operating this year!
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Yes, let's organize a meet-up!
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Reviving an old thread! We've basically moved our Vancouver meetups to Meetup and Facebook, but I thought I'd post our upcoming one here as well for anyone who wants to attend but doesn't have either!
We're doing a roundtable tax discussion and snack-potluck on March 19th at 3pm-5pm. It's at my home, so I'm not posting my address on here, but it's in downtown Vancouver close to Waterfront station. Message me if you're interested in attending, and I can send details.
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Happy to crash your party and drop a line for our meetup on March 26th in Victoria as well (We have a Victoria meetup thread if you scroll down) .
I will be tied up on the 19th or I might have journeyed over to visit. Have a good meetup VanCity MMM crew.
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The meetup was really fun yesterday! About a dozen of us had snacks and beer, and discussed taxes. I think everyone learned at least a couple of new things, and it was very cool to meet so many newcomers to the group.
By popular demand, we've decided to try doing some live-action case studies at a future meetup, so if anyone is interested in being put in the hot seat, message me. I'll probably be one of the first volunteers, unless a lot of other people are interested.
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Following - I didn't realize there was a FB group and my Meetup notifications were turned off. Hopefully now I'll see it in one of the three places. ;)
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Well, I've booked my building's common room off for the next discussion group - we're going ahead with Case Studies LIVE! for April 22nd in the afternoon, at my place again. Basic format: Present your situation in about 15-20 minutes, get facepunched, have snacks and chill, repeat with the next one. We'll shoot to do three case studies in two hours. Post here or message me if you want to volunteer!
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Sounds like a fun event, put yourself on the spot and let the critique begin
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Thanks to FIRE_at_45 for pointing me in this direction. I'll plan to attend and even volunteer to expose my (financial) self if more volunteers are needed.
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The last meetup was a blast! Just letting anyone who's not on Meetup.com know, I've scheduled our next meetup for Saturday May 27th at 3:00, at my place in Gastown again. This one is a group discussion on Mustachianism and relationships, including dating, family, friends, coworkers, and more. So no need to do any homework for this one! It should be a pretty interesting discussion. Feel free to post here or PM me if you have any questions, or have any great ideas for questions to ask the group.
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The last meetup was a blast! Just letting anyone who's not on Meetup.com know, I've scheduled our next meetup for Saturday May 27th at 3:00, at my place in Gastown again. This one is a group discussion on Mustachianism and relationships, including dating, family, friends, coworkers, and more. So no need to do any homework for this one! It should be a pretty interesting discussion. Feel free to post here or PM me if you have any questions, or have any great ideas for questions to ask the group.
Hi Zikoris,
I'd like to come to this meet-up and thanks for posting it here. Please let me know what I can bring snacks-wise.
Looking forward to it.
Pachnik
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The last meetup was a blast! Just letting anyone who's not on Meetup.com know, I've scheduled our next meetup for Saturday May 27th at 3:00, at my place in Gastown again. This one is a group discussion on Mustachianism and relationships, including dating, family, friends, coworkers, and more. So no need to do any homework for this one! It should be a pretty interesting discussion. Feel free to post here or PM me if you have any questions, or have any great ideas for questions to ask the group.
Hi Zikoris,
I'd like to come to this meet-up and thanks for posting it here. Please let me know what I can bring snacks-wise.
Looking forward to it.
Pachnik
Whatever you like! Usually I bake some cookies, and people bring vegetables/fruit, cookies, crackers, drinks, etc. We're super informal.
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It was a good meet-up. Thanks Zikoris + spouse for hosting in your commons room. I really enjoyed meeting everyone. Plus your homemade cookies were excellent!
I especially liked that your husband and I had the same cell phone. Great minds thinking alike!
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It was a good meet-up. Thanks Zikoris + spouse for hosting in your commons room. I really enjoyed meeting everyone. Plus your homemade cookies were excellent!
I especially liked that your husband and I had the same cell phone. Great minds thinking alike!
Thanks! The phone thing was hilarious - for anyone reading, myself, my partner, and Pachnik are probably the three people in Vancouver who still use flip phones, and it turns out they both have the same model.
Also, I have a couple of your tupperwares! I'll hang onto them - let me know if you want to grab them, or want me to bring them to a future meetup, or anything.
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You just hang on to those Tupperwares until the next meetup!
I really enjoyed being in your part of town too. To me, who doesn't come to that area very often at all, it sure has changed a lot for the better. I remember lots of boarded up store fronts. Very vibrant now.
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Oops, I guess I need to get on to Meetup.com since I didn't see this one until too late, although I wouldn't have been able to make it this time.
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Any interest in a late July or early September meetup?
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Any interest in a late July or early September meetup?
Yes, I'd probably be up for end of July or early September. When will you know dates? It would be cool to have a meet up in Stanley Park.
I need to research the easiest way to get a ferry to take an RV to Vancouver Island and if it's better/cheaper to do that from WA, or BC. At some point though, I'll be passing through Vancouver (east of you right now, in the Okanagan valley).
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You will only want to make the trip on and off the island once as it isn't cheap with an RV. Also, the first and last sailings of the day are on sale right now for the summer so be sure to make sure you take advantage of any deals they have on.
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Any interest in a late July or early September meetup?
We have a MMM hike coming up on July 9th, but otherwise no solid plans - I might throw together a picnic meetup at the end on July at a local park. I'm still bumming around Europe for the time being :)
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All I know is that it's expensive with an RV but that research should be fairly straight forward. There are 2 terminals in Vancouver (Tsawassen & Horseshoe Bay). I'm partial to Tsawassen. You can access Victoria or Nanaimo from Tsawassen. If you go down south I think you can only come into Victoria so that may factor into your planning.
Just keep posting here. I'm sure there will be a decent group that could get together.
Other than a two-week road trip in July, I'm around most of the time and look forward to it.
Watch out for long weekends (July 1, observed July 3, and August 7) - avoid the ferries on them if you can; make reservations if you can't.
I bet it's hot in the Okanagan right now.
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You will only want to make the trip on and off the island once as it isn't cheap with an RV.
I'm seeing about 110 CAD? That seems pretty cheap to me. Or am I looking in the wrong place, or do I just have a higher expectation for ferry costs?
I bet it's hot in the Okanagan right now.
It's perfect. :)
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You will only want to make the trip on and off the island once as it isn't cheap with an RV.
I'm seeing about 110 CAD? That seems pretty cheap to me. Or am I looking in the wrong place, or do I just have a higher expectation for ferry costs?
I bet it's hot in the Okanagan right now.
It's perfect. :)
The ferries are base price for car and driver, up to 20 ft, plus a price per foot over that, plus an overheight charge, pluse about se:
$57.50 for first 20 feet of car
$17 per person / adult
$6.50 per foot over the first 20 feet (our utility trailer is pulled behind a 15 ft long car, total of 7 feet over, or $46 more)
Overheight charge (if over 7 ft, so take bike and kayaks off of roof, if you can, )
reservation fee (varies, around $10, optional bur recommended for RV.
plus 12% taxes.
So, our utility trailer / car combo, with only one kayak( two would be overheight) is $165 x 2 directions = $330 for the trip.
Cheaper on the "sale" routes very early / late or some weekdays with the RV.
We think it is a lot around, here, for certain, especially if you need to use the ferries with a car a lot. I have begun to walk on and use transit on both side more often, and we are planning to bring our bikes on the next trip.
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I'm about an hour east, in Maple Ridge, for the month. Where do you guys typically meet?
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I'm about an hour east, in Maple Ridge, for the month. Where do you guys typically meet?
Generally either in the mountains, or at my place downtown. Our last meetup was a hike to Whyte Lake a couple of weeks ago, but I can definitely organize something in the near future. You guys have a baby, right? What kind of activities are you able to do?
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The kid hasn't stopped us from doing anything so far. :)
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Following along .... hopefully we get some rain to bring back the green we are known for, this heat is not typical. I will see what I can make happen to come over and join in for the fun. LOL any one up for a Grouse Grind ;)
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I'm hesitant to plan outdoor activities given the air quality - anyone have any suggestions for indoor activities? I'll probably plan a discussion group at my place soon, but I'd be totally down to do something on the long weekend if it doesn't involve hacking my lungs out.
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I'm hesitant to plan outdoor activities given the air quality - anyone have any suggestions for indoor activities? I'll probably plan a discussion group at my place soon, but I'd be totally down to do something on the long weekend if it doesn't involve hacking my lungs out.
Post here when you have something figured out. I am up for something, too... but agree about the outdoor air quality for anything more than sitting in a park!
One idea is a barbeque at Ambelside park (West Vancouver / beach) during the week (I have to pick up my kid near there after his summer camp this week, Monday-Friday)....
Or - hike at Lindeman lake (outside of Chilliwack, Chilliwack provincial park)? Carpooling would be needed...
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LOL any one up for a Grouse Grind ;)
Any time! But yes, the air quality isn't great right now.
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Okay, the air is supposed to clear for Saturday, so I'm scheduling a last minute easy hike - 10km loop walk around Burnaby lake, this Saturday the 12th, meeting point 10am at Sperling skytrain station. Be there or be square!
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Okay, the air is supposed to clear for Saturday, so I'm scheduling a last minute easy hike - 10km loop walk around Burnaby lake, this Saturday the 12th, meeting point 10am at Sperling skytrain station. Be there or be square!
Sounds good, but I won't be able to make it unfortunately.
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Okay, the air is supposed to clear for Saturday, so I'm scheduling a last minute easy hike - 10km loop walk around Burnaby lake, this Saturday the 12th, meeting point 10am at Sperling skytrain station. Be there or be square!
Sounds good, but I won't be able to make it unfortunately.
Likewise, I am volunteering at an event here that I have to help run
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Okay, the air is supposed to clear for Saturday, so I'm scheduling a last minute easy hike - 10km loop walk around Burnaby lake, this Saturday the 12th, meeting point 10am at Sperling skytrain station. Be there or be square!
I love Burnaby Lake and Deer Lake too but we have plans already for today. Sad to miss you guys!
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There were only four of us, but it was fun!
I've scheduled another hike for next week - the Capilano Pacific Trail, a one-way 7km hike from Park Royal to the Cleveland Dam. It's quite scenic, not too difficult, and the dam is pretty cool - you can walk right out onto it and look down the canyon. Saturday, August 19th, meeting at 10:30am behind Park Royal mall at this spot: http://imgur.com/a/zl74L (http://imgur.com/a/zl74L)
I'd recommend taking transit, since it's a one-way hike and you'll otherwise end up 7km away from your car/bike. You could theoretically hike back afterwards for a 14km total distance, but please only do that if you're familiar with the trail and pretty confident you won't get lost. There's public transit from the Cleveland Dam end that goes to the Lonsdale Quay.
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It was a great hike yesterday! Perfect weather, good company.
I've scheduled another meetup for next week - a bike ride this time, since a lot of people have expressed interest in that! We're biking the Richmond dyke trails, from Aberdeen skytrain station out to Steveston. It's about 11.5 km each way, totally flat, probably about an hour each direction at a casual, relaxed pace. We'll grab lunch at the wharf, which is a very scenic area with lots of fish and chips places.
The meeting point is Aberdeen skytrain station, 10:30am, Saturday the 26th. Come join us!
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It's gotten quiet in here!
Next meetup: Saturday September 9th, bike and picnic. We bike the Fraser foreshore trail from Marine Drive station along the river out to Burnaby, where we end up at a nice picnic area. It's about 8k each way, flat, 2/3 paved 1/3 dirt/gravel trails. Casual pace - we're more about fun and conversation than speed. Meeting point: 10:30am, Marine Drive skytrain station.
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Sounds fun...I will be on a roadtrip and won't be able to make it.
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Next meetup - potluck dinner at my place next Saturday the 16th, 6pm. The theme is Mustachian Milestones, complete with toasts to anyone who has milestones they'd like to share. I live in Gastown, not far from either skytrain line. There's no visitor parking, but lots of room for bikes.
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Hopefully @Fire45 can bring me to a Vancouver meetup in the future... too bad this one is the same as our VanIsle one
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Fun! I am there :)
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It's gotten quiet in here!
Next meetup: Saturday September 9th, bike and picnic. We bike the Fraser foreshore trail from Marine Drive station along the river out to Burnaby, where we end up at a nice picnic area. It's about 8k each way, flat, 2/3 paved 1/3 dirt/gravel trails. Casual pace - we're more about fun and conversation than speed. Meeting point: 10:30am, Marine Drive skytrain station.
Wish we had seen this beforehand :( We were visiting Vancouver and staying in Burnaby as a matter of fact. No bikes but would have walked or driven. I think it may have been raining that day though.
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Vancouver Meetup
Friday October 13th @ 6 PM
Location - TBD (downtown someplace; likely an economically priced vegetarian or sushi restaurant)
Reply here if you are interested or PM me.
Watching....hard part is finding an easy way downtown for out of towners :) They really need to get train service to other the north or south ferry terminals
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Vancouver Meetup
Friday October 13th @ 6 PM
Location - TBD (downtown someplace; likely an economically priced vegetarian or sushi restaurant)
Reply here if you are interested or PM me.
Looks like I can make it!
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Vancouver Meetup
Friday October 13th @ 6 PM
Location - TBD (downtown someplace; likely an economically priced vegetarian or sushi restaurant)
Reply here if you are interested or PM me.
Looks like I can make it!
And here I go getting stuck with plans that might not allow me to come now
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Vancouver Meetup
Friday October 13th @ 6 PM
Location - TBD (downtown someplace; likely an economically priced vegetarian or sushi restaurant)
Reply here if you are interested or PM me.
Well, I can drive you to the south Ferry terminal, after, if that helps the decision.
Looks like I can make it!
And here I go getting stuck with plans that might not allow me to come now
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Cheers man and thanks Goldie
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Scheduled our next discussion group! Saturday, October 28th, 3-5 pm. Condensed version from Meetup:
It's starting to get cold and rainy out, making it a good time to transition from hiking and biking meetups to discussion groups. By popular demand, let's have a discussion about Mustachianism and minimalism! We'll talk about things like:
- Minimalism as a wealth-building tool
- How we all implement minimalism in our own lives
- Personal sources of minimalist inspiration (authors, philosophies, etc)
- And anything else the group is interested in!
Bring a snack or drink to share with the group!
No visitor parking available, but there's a secured bike room in the building, ample transit access, and multiple parkades and street parking in the area.
Given that it's at my home, PM me for the address. It's in the Gastown area.
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Scheduled our next discussion group! Saturday, October 28th, 3-5 pm. Condensed version from Meetup:
Hopefully this one works out, a Saturday is much better for me.
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Hi Zikoris,
Please count me in for Saturday's discussion. I'll send you a PM to get your address.
Looking forward to it,
Pachnik
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Hi Zikoris,
Please count me in for Saturday's discussion. I'll send you a PM to get your address.
Looking forward to it,
Pachnik
Great, I can give you your tupperwares back! lol.
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Hi Zikoris,
Please count me in for Saturday's discussion. I'll send you a PM to get your address.
Looking forward to it,
Pachnik
Great, I can give you your tupperwares back! lol.
lol is right. I am counting the minutes until I get those tupperwares back... :)
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Hi Zikoris,
Thanks again to you and your husband for hosting the meet-up. There was some really good discussion + treats!
Cheers!
Pachnik
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Camp Mustache Vancouver planning thread here:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/camp-mustache-events/camp-mustache-canada-vancouver-edition-april-27-30-2018/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/camp-mustache-events/camp-mustache-canada-vancouver-edition-april-27-30-2018/)
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Hello Mustachians!
New to the forum here - I'm on the north shore.
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Hello Mustachians!
New to the forum here - I'm on the north shore.
Welcome!
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Hello Mustachians!
New to the forum here - I'm on the north shore.
Yes, welcome! I'm on the north shore as well, although not for long. It would be funny if we knew each other IRL. If we did, you wouldn't have too much trouble figuring it out from my posts.
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So someone on /r/financialindependence linked to a new FIRE-oriented meetup-ish site called FI Clubs, and I signed up and put in a request to start a Vancouver group (its free). I feel like this could be a good alternative for people who don't use meetup or Facebook (which is where we do most of our organizing now). So for anyone looking for a local group, in Vancouver or otherwise, this seems like it might be a good place to go:
https://ficlubs.mn.co/share/3S2GL4XmTiGEZyOd?utm_source=manual (https://ficlubs.mn.co/share/3S2GL4XmTiGEZyOd?utm_source=manual)
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Thanks for the link,Zikoris. I added myself to it.
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Oops, I forgot to post - a group of us are going for a bike ride tomorrow afternoon (Saturday the 7th). Fraser Foreshore Trail. If you want to join, bring your bike and show up at Marine Drive skytrain station at 1:00.
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Is the Vancouver FIRE community alive and well? Looking to meet up with some like-minded people. Let's fire it up.